At 3-3 what have we learned about our Packers?
In my opinoin i think we have learned a few things that look to be dishearting trends....But the one thats the scariest is that A-Rod cant win an overtime game for his life...he is either fumbling (Arizona/wild card game), throwing an interception (Washington), or steping up in the pocket to get sacked (Miami)...I agree that a couple of those instances were helmet to helmet hits and should have been flagged, but either way you disect it, the guy is holding the damn ball to long.
We still arent playing complete games to our potential...
Our pass rush is "subtle" at best without Mathews...and teams im sure took notice
Offense likes to fold under pressure...
Sure handed guys are starting to drop passes
Mike McCarthy hates running the ball...
On a positive note, whats left of our defense is what kept us in the Miami game...Kudos to the Defense
I love Aaron Rodgers, but he is once again, like last year his making the job of the offensive line too hard...but its not all his fault. I think that its about time we take a look at making a HC change, I have been a firm supporter of MM but some of these play calls are making it easy for defenses...I mean 4 and 5 wide sets on 2nd and 3? WTF...Not only is that insulting to Brandon Jackson and John Kuhn but its no wonder A-Rod has already had a concussion. I honestly believe that our chances at winning or even going to the Superbowl are a thing of the past...
I feel like there are a few things that we can do as the season progresses...
1) Keep doing exactly what we are doing, fall to 9-7ish if we are lucky and miss the playoffs, and A-Rod winds up in the ICU....
2) Go after Shawn Merriman, I know there is alot of negative surrounding Merriman, but...Here is how i look at it, Remember Terry Glen? He came to GB and turned his career around, Merriman could come up to GB and get out of the negative lime light, he is good friends with Nick Barnett, and could better himself as a man...He is still young and it could be good for us and him both...Lets also mention that teams will alwase account for Merriman...Nobody wants to see him turning the lights out standing over their quarterback...He could reviatalize his career opposite of Mathews and it would help our pass rush and possibly lead up to Mathews looking at more 1 on 1's....It is better than Francois....Jones is ehhh...and Zombo is ok...
3) This one is tricky...I am eager to see what James Starks can bring to our back field, but i think that Willis McGehee would be an excelent fit...He can make cuts and has the vision to get to the second level...we dont need Ahman Green numbers, just enough to keep defenses honest so they dont keep Rodgers on his ass....Finley and Grant gone for the season.....we need help on Offense...
In conclusion i am not quite ready to say that our season is over...Make it to the playoffs and anything is possible right...The good news is that Al Harris is going to be back to help our secondary...Atari Bigby will eventually be back to take the place of Morgan Burnett, we know what he is or isnt capable of so....But lastly...James Starks, the guy is like 6'3 220 and is fast...or atleast he was 4 1/2 million years ago when he last put pads on...So hopefully that will give MM a reason to hand the ball off...I read someone's comment (sorry cant remember who you are) yesterday that was perfect to describe our running game...they said "Our run game has a pitch count, we get to about 80 yards and we are done." Its true...we desperatly need balance...or Rodgers wont be able to pass a balance test before long...
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Couple things I learned
1. We have left the thing we were once known for in the dust. When you hear announcers talk about us, they still talk about how we are a quick pass, slant running team…even though we never run it. We used to pride ourselves on the YAC now its send Finley on a deep post up the seam and send jennings on the outside and Driver on a deep curl and watch Rodgers dance around waiting for someone to get open. What is going on with this?
2. OUr coach doesn’t know how to properly use the two weapons (granted they are blunt knives IMO) we have in the backfield. I can’t tell you how many times I saw them running Kuhn outside and Jackson up the middle. Sure it wasn’t every time but it was more often than they were being used correctly…and that isn’t just this game.
3. We are a pretty deep team. While there are positions we aren’t deep at, this team is stocked with talent a couple levels deep. Amazingly keeping extra TEs was a nice decision. We have 3 FBs but is anyone besides Kuhn actually playing? Why not throw Kuhn and Quinn out there and just run it down their throat? We have all had our moments of frustration with TT but you can’t deny that there is some serious talent is on this team. Just look at how many of our castoff have been picked up by other teams, its a record number.
There are three for starters…
by TrevorR on Oct 18, 2010 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
The finish your analogy
A blunt knife will kill anyone if you stab them enough with it
yeah that was my point…but wouldn’t you rather have something that could get the job done in one motion. You might not have multiple stabs! :-)
Yes, but most teams don't have machettes
Most teams still need 20-25 stabs a game.
It would be nice if we were perfect in every area. No team is. A team should always be in a constant “we can be better mode,” but it doesn’t mean you just give up trying to improve what you already have.
But yeah, I’ll stop there, preaching to the ChoirR ;)
i agree
We have got to run the ball the whole game..
.not just 8 times in the first quarter….and then sparsely the remainder of the game…
by SpaceGhost34 on Oct 18, 2010 8:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with everything here
and some team philosophy changes can fix it
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I couldn’t agree anymore with what you just said.
The first paragraph is so perfect haha. That literally seems like the only thing we do on offense. Send the tight end up the seam, Jennings deep, and run a deep square in or curl with Driver. And ironically enough, when Jennings was running those some short curls and outs he was getting open. Driver and Nelson too. Remember that 2007 season when all we’d do is throw a quick timing route to a guy, who would then make a couple people miss and turn it into a 10+ yard gain? Where is that offense? I have a hard time believing that Rodgers isn’t capable of hitting guys on those quick routes, so it can’t be because of him.
All the slants, curls, outs, and in’s need to come back quick or this offense is going to continue to look mediocre. It’d be great to see us lining up in the I-Formation too. Call a run play, and if the corner’s are playing off coverage let Rodgers throw it out to Jennings or Driver quick. All that short stuff was the staple of this team, and it’s like all of the sudden it just disappeared.
Second paragraph is perfect too. For some reason we did a couple toss plays to Kuhn, and used Jackson primarily in between the tackles. Anyone want to fill me in on the logic behind that? My favorite was when we ran a screen play to Kuhn. Why on earth wouldn’t we run it to Jackson? The guy has proven to be plenty capable catching passes out of the back field. Oh, and Kuhn dropped it too. Sheesh.
by packallday555 on Oct 18, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
HA I was YELLING at the TV during the screen to Kuhn. It was like I walked into bizzaro world or something!
I remember that three back power formation we did for a while and then the U-whatever package. I feel like Sherman was more creative than McCarthy is and man that is saying a lot cause I really disliked him.
Same here. I’m convinced he ran the screen to Kuhn to try and surprise the Dolphins. After all, it seems like that’s all he wants to do every play. Trick the defense, and show everyone what a brilliant schemer he is.
Yeah, I actually saw that 3 back formation once against the Dolphins. I wouldn’t mind bring it back. Give the Jackson or Kuhn a couple lead blockers and run out of it. After you do that a bit, call some play-action out of it. Plus, Rodgers can always throw a ball out quick to Jennings or Driver if the corner’s are playing off. I swear that’s how Jennings caught over half of his Td passes in 2008. Designed run plays where he and Rodgers were just ad-libbing. Why we don’t do those things anymore is beyond me. Plays like that keep the defense guessing, and set up the deep ball perfect. You know after a while corner’s will start to sit on the slant route, and then Jennings or Driver hits them with a sluggo.
by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I made a comment about #1 while I was watching this last week with my dad.
Where are the slants? I miss those type of plays. We still have outstanding athletic receivers that are capable of making defenders miss tackles. Especially when our run game isn’t where it needs to be with Jackson and Kuhn running the show, a return to a passing game like that would make a big difference in my opinion. Instead, we get Rodgers sitting back in the pocket just waiting for the protection to break down, then scrambling and trying to turn it into anything positive. I understand that he is capable of throwing some pretty passes at times and scrambling away from defenders to give a guy time to get open, but our whole offense can’t be centered on that. There is a time and place for it. A few quick slants makes the defense play you a little differently and then could open some guys up deep when Jennings can break away and get separation.
Our offense is just too… predictable. Very one dimensional. Throw some slants and let the receivers make some plays with the ball. Rodgers is great, but he’s not the only option to make a play when we need it.
...in accordance with the prophecy.
by Twins4Life on Oct 19, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
finally
i knew i wasnt the only one who thought that maybe it was mm doing something its been talked about even at washington when we finally had a 100 yd rusher jackson had the one 70 yd burst and then after that was used sparringly from what i saw rodgers spent more time running the ball then anything and the reason we dont do the quick slants and curls and all the things that made the pack a terror last year is that other teams defenses just sit back in zone doubling the outside receiver and for some reason driver has been butterfingers so the way mm sees it heave it deep and hope for a miracle like jennings on that sick double move to the post thank god davis forgot that the safety wasnt there to save his ass, hey wait wasnt that off of play action hmmm…
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by I voted for Kodos on Oct 23, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
this is beyond a runon sentence
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
Its clearly a mountain range
that would be nice if we weren’t planted in the middle of it, trying to sort everything out…
Obviously, Minnesota will hire John L. Smith to be their next head football coach.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 22, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
In the first half I was thinking McCarthy read this blog and saw this post from me but in the esecond half, he reverted back to his old ways. Man the first quarter and first half were GREAT though until we started throwing deep every play again.
Same old, except for the score.
We had almost 300 yards in the first half, and maybe less than 100 in the second half. We scored 14 in the 3rd quarter, but mostly thanks to the defense.
Then there was the hand-off to the front man on 4th down – twice. It barely worked the first time, so do it again?
I’m certainly glad for the win, but I’m still not confident going forward.
learned?
We’ve learned that our team is crippled w/ injuries!!! Really nothing else… Take out top playmakers on offense and defense of any team and they are likely going nowhere. And that doesnt include other consistent performers like Pickett, Burnett, Barnett, Tauscher and Grant!!! Include Finley and Matthews and there is almost no way any team can overcome all that… I think the Packers are playing pretty well considering!!! Just having to learn to win w/o alot of players that they usually lean on alot!!!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
Stroh and everyone else be honest
are you at all worried about:
the playcalling?
the ol?
the receivers apparently not getting open?
or is something wrong w arod?
It seems like MM thinks arod’s footwork is funky and I kind of agree with him
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/Mike-McCarthy-Press-Conf-Transcript—-Oct-18/4afbe793-cb17-4350-8029-0aa71c87d4b8
If you don't know the cadence of GO PACK GO your opinion doesn't matter
--John Jurkovic
I think that our play calling is a huge issue….we have no balance….further more if teams know what’s coming that leads to blitzes and Rodgers getting sacked..that makes our line look like crap, it makes our good recievers look like they can’t get open and AB concussions….sound familiar?
by SpaceGhost34 on Oct 18, 2010 8:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think with footwork he’s referring to Rodgers getting happy feet, and all of the sudden deciding to bolt out of the pocket despite no immediate pressure. He did it a couple times. I’d say the reason for it is because he’s no comfortable back there behind our offensive line. Of course, the fact that McCarthy is leaving him naked 5-6 times a game in 5 wide sets probably isn’t helping anything either.
by packallday555 on Oct 18, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
It's gotta be the worst luck
cuz acls and meniscuses can’t really be prevented. The injury bug has Teddy KGB’d our season it’s depressing
If you don't know the cadence of GO PACK GO your opinion doesn't matter
--John Jurkovic
Exactly.
SOme of these alleged experts still think static stretching prevents hamstrings!!! Almost all knee injuries of any type are largely the result of ending up in an awkward position w/ forces going in different directions. Even non-contact ACL’s are mostly due to forces that can’t be prevented thru training!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
And McCarthy's record in close games is atrocious.
Rodgers is 0-5 in OT games and McCarthy is 1-6. In close games he is 1-11.
What happens to the Packers in last part of the 4th quarter? Penalties in key situations, interceptions, sacks, bad punts, missed FGs, in other words choking when it counts.
The problem goes beyond getting another RB.
And McCarthy won’t man up and take responsibility for it!
by MikeDB on Oct 18, 2010 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And McCarthy won’t man up and take responsibility for it!
Nope, he won’t. Instead he just avoids the question. It kind of reminds me of the whole “stream of consciousness” with Chilly.
by packallday555 on Oct 18, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
This is a post about MM
If you want to hear crap about Chilly please come to DN where it belongs, and has avid supporters… :D
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
close games go beyond rodgers...
MM has been bad in close games dating back to the favre era..that being said the playcalling needs to adjust to help rodgers…there is no reason we have to go 4 or 5 reciever sets every down which gives him or the running game no chance..until the playcalling changes or we get some sort of killer instinct the season looks like its in serious trouble
The need for the OC to take over the offense
I don’t like the head coach calling all the plays and being the person in charge of most of the offense. There are too many other things he needs to be doing. Consistently choking in close games, I believe, is a result of poor coaching. Usually, it means players are too tense, but it could also mean that they aren’t prepared. Either way, it those tense moments they need a head coach who can motivate, not one with his head buried in a sheet of paper.
I agree
Or if McCarthy feels like someone else can’t do the job, find an assistant HC like Dungy had with Caldwell. Someone you trust to talk to players and plan adjustments. Problem is, McCarthy seems to be very hit and miss with the people he hires for his staff. The Oline and ST coaches suck, yet McCarthy seems to stand by them no matter how much their units fail. Philbin might be one of those guys, so he might not be able to call a game. I feel like McCarthy’s a great coach, but someone who’s too damn forgiving to his inferiors and probably takes on too much of a workload.
Playing soft??
This article from the Green Bay Post-Gazette suggest that the Packers might be a bit soft.
Plain and simple.
Injuries suck.
...in accordance with the prophecy.
by Twins4Life on Oct 19, 2010 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Ugh
I’ve supported MM for the last couple years saying that “he’s going through the growing spurts now. He’s a new coach, he has to make mistakes and learn from them, but he’s doing a decent job and I don’t want to loose him when he finally figures it out.”
I’m done with that. He hasn’t learned anything. The lack of running game hurts us, but that’s not what bothers me. Our lack of a back in the backfield to protect Rogers hurts, but that’s not what bothers me. What bothers me is our lack of discipline. It started when he said there were penalties he got upset over and penalties he didn’t. That’s bull. I don’t care if it’s an offsides, a holding, a pass interferance, a false start, whatever. It’s a penalty, there’s no “okay” penalties, there’s no “in the heat of the moment” penalties. I don’t like them, they’re a symptom of poor discipline. It’s why Rodgers is tossing 20 yard passes on 3rd and 3. It’s why Woodson is molesting every reciever out there. It’s why Taucher had three false starts against the bears and it’s why we’re dropping so many balls.
Our poor play comes from coaching. God only knows why we still have the same special teams coach after three consecutive years of us being one of the poorest special teams in the league. There’s only two coaches I like on our team right now. Capers and Greene. Our defense has lost half of its starting players and it’s still keeping us in games. On top of that, our linebackers are performing excellently. Mathews is a fiend, Hawk is finally playing up to his potential, Barnett was a beast, but it doesn’t stop there. Zombo, Jones, Chiller, even Poppinga are playing competently with our starters out.
Definitely have to add Trgovic to the list.
But is Hawk really playing up to his potential? Maybe his re-adjusted potential. But not like someone taken in the top 6 of the draft.
by I voted for Kodos on Oct 19, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree...
Lack of discipline and y’all said it, the only 3 coaches worth a shit are on defense…MM needs to let the OC make the calls…I agree with everyone here
by SpaceGhost34 on Oct 19, 2010 6:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No. Hawk continues to look slow. He also hasn’t been covering opposing teams tight ends, which I find interesting and telling. Instead Bishop has been responsible for that, and has actually done a respectable job.
by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Things I've learned
1. The offense isn’t nearly as good as advertised. Rogers isn’t elite yet, maybe he never will be. The “deep” receiving core is hugely over-rated.
2. The coaching is bad. Clock management, special teams, offensive scheme…all horrible.
3. We’re cursed. Just too many injuries to overcome, especially Finley/Burnett…those hurt the worst right now. We really need Harris and Bigby to come back ready to go.
by gangstaff on Oct 19, 2010 2:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Im going to disagree with number one
because it is a product of number two
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I hate to do it, but I find myself agreeing with #1. We do have a good, deep receiving group, but I’m not sure that it is particularly elite. I don’t think we have a legitimate elite no 1 WR. And maybe Jones and Nelson could start on another team, but not on one of the better teams.
I’d say that Rodgers is a top 10 QB in the NFL, but he still has a ways to go to get into the Manning, Brady, Brees category. While play-calling and offensive strategy have something to do with it, I think that Rodgers is trying to do too much. We hear about a QB managing the game, and that is what he isn’t doing now.
We can't afford to have him simply manage the game the way things are going.
Kack of run commitment, poor playcalling, and sub-par defense means Rodgers has to try to win games himself at times.
True. I agree with Mike in that he appears to be doing too much but it’s probably hard for him to not feel that way when the whole world knows we have no running game. I feel like a broken record but McCarthy needs to go back to that short passing game.
by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Analyzing QBs
Its kinda funny that the following QBs were top ten in the league but now their fans believe they are just not elite anymore.
Phillip Rivers
Brett Farve
Tony Romo
Aaron Rodgers
Its amazing what a few losses does to a reputation.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Oct 20, 2010 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions
There were more than a few losses with Tony Romo...
Like a train wreck of losses after a 13-3 season that’s already hopelessly out of reach…
Wisconsin, throwing the Big Ten into chaos since the beginning of time...
I was fined $15,000 by David Stern for complaining about the officiating...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 20, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t pin those loses on Romo though…he’s been playing pretty well though the INTs are a little high this year.
Tony Romo
was the first NFL QB to win a game he threw 5 INTs in 2007. That’s pathetic.
He always has no problems just winging the ball into coverage; that’s probably, no, definitely why the Cowboys were a 1 and done in 2007 and flamed out in 2008.
Wisconsin, throwing the Big Ten into chaos since the beginning of time...
I was fined $15,000 by David Stern for complaining about the officiating...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 20, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly
because isnt rivers just tearing it up im pretty sure he leads the league in total yards and rodgers still gets it done but its hard to do that with a defensive end in your face or planting you in the turf and when we do get in the redzone rodgers always delivers or does his damndest to try
You are correct.
Rivers, Rodgers, and Romo all have great Passer ratings this year and in past years. I think people are now starting to question whether they are great QBs. Can they bring their teams back in the face of adversity? Are they simply great passers or are they great QBs.
Its a valid question to which there is yet an answer. Romo certainly has failed more times than the others. Rivers has been a poor starter and poor finisher but great in mid year. Rodgers, has had less opportunity than the others. This year is quite a test.
Only time will tell.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Oct 22, 2010 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions
All three are still pretty young…especially Rodgers. I think QBs get an unfair amount of criticism for things that aren’t always in their control. When they throw picks in clutch moments, then yeah its on them but at times QBs can lead their team down to tie or lead and then have their D fall apart and give up a 1 min TD. This falls on the QB as a failed comeback despite them actually being successful.
Of course they do.
You are right. But the critisism goes with the job. If a QB leads his team down the field in a 4 minute drill and takes 2 1/2 minutes then maybe he didn’t do the drill properly. There is always reasons to blame the guy that touches the ball on every offensive possession.
You know as well as I that most QBs don’t have that magic franchise touch of leadership or whatever causes them to be successful time after time, year after year. In my mind the jury is still out on these three fine passing QBs. I mean Rivers is great. Rodgers looks great. Romo is a top passer. But will they lead their teams to the highest potential of the team? I just don’t know.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Oct 22, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Romo has had the most time to show himself and I am ready to just call him a very good passer. I don’t think I am ready to do that yet with Rivers though (I blame his coach as much as him) and I definitely not ready to do that with Rodgers after just two full seasons and a very young team. Plus all three of these guys have weak HCs…I wonder how one of them would look with a HC that has a better reputation for getting it done.
I know what your saying
but not so sure I agree with your conclusion. I believe it takes a great QB and a coach with a compatible system to be successful. I know of very few, if any, great QBs that were successful under two different offensive systems. Once in a while you get a Manning that plays under two head coaches but they use the old system.
Rivers may be good but just not with the right system. Romo the same. Rodgers appears to like the WCO of MM. Like you said. To early to tell. But I don’t think the coaches weak or strong style would have much effect.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Oct 22, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Not necc saying that they need to change systems just that a coaches shortcomings can affect a QB. So can the quality of the team around him and his D. I don’t fault Marino for not getting over the hump, there is no question he was one of the best ever. They are still one person on a team of 22 starters. Sure they have a larger role than the other positions, but you can’t lay it solely at their feet. You grab Montana and throw him on a terrible team or a poorly coached team he doesn’t win SBs either. He was lucky to have an amazing offense surrounding him and one of the truely great offensive minds to coach the game.
But that said, system comes into play too. Look at Brees. He was good with the Chargers but when he got paired with a great offensive mind, his play became out of this world and they won a title.
Well
I can’t dispute your examples except to say that Joe Montana took a hapless Kansas City team to the play-offs. A feat that would be akin to Aaron Rodgers being traded to the Panthers and having him take them to the play-offs. Oh and he has to do it iat the end of his career. Not while he is young.
Now thats a true Great QB.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Oct 22, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
1991 record (with Steve DeBerg) 10-6
1992 record (with Dave Kreig) 10-6
1993 record (with Montana) 11-5
1994 record (with Montana) 9-7
1995 record (with Bono) 13-3
I will agree with you that he didn’t have a ton to work with (a past his prime Marcus allen, some medicre Wrs) but they did have a great D anchored by Derrick Thomas and Neil smith.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say that Montana really killed it with the Chiefs. He was old so I’ll give him a pass but honestly, the team records really don’t support that argument. He came in and did just what the rest of the old guys did when they came in.
We've learned that even being one game out of the Division lead will cause packer fans to contemplate suicide
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
So true, so true
I’ve even written a letter to Goodell saying if the refs don’t start giving the Packers some breaks I’m going to end it all with a note around me saying the NFL did it.
Let’s see how he responds.
by I voted for Kodos on Oct 19, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I think most of us on this site read all the preseason predictions
and started thinking we would dominate the league. It might be time to re-adjust expectations and maybe take some painkillers and relax.
by I voted for Kodos on Oct 20, 2010 12:13 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Vikes Fan Here
It appears the Vikings are mirroring the Packers in one aspect. That is pass protection. You guys have the advantage that Aaron Rodgers is one mobile son of a gun. However, if you guys had a kick ass offensive line, you guys would easily be 5-1. I was stunned to figure out how Aaron Rodgers has ZERO Fourth quarter comebacks in his career? What do you guys think the reason for that is? The NFC North, for that matter the NFC is still completely wide open and anyone’s game. Every team has at least two losses. The Packers and the Vikings have three losses each, attributed to your team filling up your IR like Rex Ryan’s dessert menu. And Brett, not just being Brett, but having atrocious pass protection, even worse than Rodgers in my opinion.
Reasons
Bad luck and lack of experience. It’s not like he has never given his team a chance. Against Washington, he drove his team down the field for a game winning field goal in the final seconds of regulation. DOINK! In OT, he threw a pick. Granted there was a no helmet to helmet flag when Rodgers was hit on that play like in the AZ playoff game last year, but he did turn it over. Everyone has a job to do, so I can’t blame it all on Rodgers.
I think McCarthy’s play calling also affects Rodgers’ ability to make any comebacks as well. When you have 2 aging OT’s that just aren’t the same anymore, call plays for him to get rid of the ball quickly. I thought McCarthy learned this after the beginning of last season, but I guess I was wrong.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
by Jabooty on Oct 24, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s given us the chance plenty of times. A lot of those close losses came in 2008, and really, all but a couple were either because our defense let up a score after he got us the lead or our because Crosby missed a kick.
Don’t get me wrong, there are games where he hasn’t been good in end of game situations. But not nearly as bad as that 1-11 record would indicate.
by packallday555 on Oct 24, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that record is more reflective of the quality of the head coach.
by Wisfan on Oct 24, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lots of valid points
Its a fact that QBs get too much credit when they win and too much blame when they lose. I think there are quite a few qbs who would have won 4 SBs with the 49ers, no knock on Montana, but that team was loaded with HOFs and a great coach.
I guess after reflection, we have learned that...
we can go 4-3 after playing the Vikings :)
by Bush League All Star on Oct 25, 2010 12:02 AM CDT reply actions
I guess after reflection, we have learned that...
we’d really rather not have Favre back on our team.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
half-time misadjustments?
I know that teams re-adjust at halftime to what the opposition is doing. I’m not sure if McCarthy just can’t quite re-re-adjust to their re-adjustments, or if he simply adjusts so much, that he stops going with what has been working and and outguesses himself. From watching general patterns, I’d guess the latter. He seems to overthink.

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