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Packer Notes: On Who's Out and Who's Returning

All the news we need to know on the Green Bay Packers comes out during Mike McCarthy's press conferences (at least it did on Monday).

On recent injuries, though I expect Driver and Hawk will play next week:

Brady Poppinga will have arthroscopic surgery in the morning, and we’ll have the details from that once Dr. Pat McKenzie completes the surgery. Donald Driver had a quad strain. He will probably miss some practice time this week. A.J. Hawk had a groin strain, and he should also probably miss some practice time. 

On old injuries, they're actually getting some guys back this week. If all three players return to practice this week, I believe the Packers have three more weeks to decide whether to activate them, place them on I.R., or release them. That's good for the players so they can get some semblance of training camp before they return to full speed:

Well actually we’re going to start practicing all three guys coming off of PUP [CB Al Harris, SS Atari Bigby, and RB James Starks], and frankly, just want to see them out there in the group drills, in the team drills and just see where they are. Because they can’t do any more than they’ve done from a rehab standpoint. So it’s time to cut those guys loose. 

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It looks like LB Clay Matthews and DE Ryan Pickett could return this week, while RT Mark Tauscher is still not ready:

(Do you have a feel for Matthews and Pickett this week?)

No, I don’t. Like I said, they are going to play. That is what I am told. They want to play. They are going to do everything they can to get on the field. They both tested Sunday morning before Miami, but they weren’t ready to go. We’ll see how the week goes and I’ll have a better feel probably Thursday I would think.

(Any clue on Tauscher?)
Getting better. I would say he is still a ways away, but he is getting better, getting stronger.

He's glad to have Smith return to the Packers:

Yes, we are in the process of acquiring Anthony Smith. I’m not supposed to say that until it is done, but I think it may be here shortly. Anthony has a history with us, has played in this defense, and we think he is a good fit. It will be great to have him back.

And there is nothing good about losing Finley in 2010. It's only good news for next season:

(Was there any way IR could have been avoided?)
This is completely in the best interests of Jermichael Finley’s future, so that was not avoidable.

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That's some good news right there

Glad to see the (probable) return of Matthews, Pickett, Starks, Bigby and Harris. Even if only half those guys are ready on Sunday, it’s still gonna be a major improvement over what we saw last week.

by Fiesta on Oct 19, 2010 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Once again, the 2010 Packers are emulating the 2009-2010 Portland Trailblazers.

Wisconsin, throwing the Big Ten into chaos since the beginning of time...
I was fined $15,000 by David Stern for complaining about the officiating...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 19, 2010 10:13 AM CDT reply actions  

I've got bitter feelings towards the Suns

having BEEN at the game where Bogut’s season ended…Ugh.

LeAndre Barbosa turned in a good game that day, but it was Carlos Del3no who did most of the damage…and I think Kurt Thomas wound up with double-figures scoring. Kurt Thomas. WTF?

I wish you guys could have taken out the Lakers. Please do that this year and all will be forgiven…

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I was fined $15,000 by David Stern for complaining about the officiating...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 19, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll do our best.

MIL is looking pretty good this year. One of the deepest teams in the league. Where do you see them finishing? They’re playoff locks IMO, and I think they’ll finish somewhere between 4 and 6.

by Omaha Sun on Oct 20, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Possibly 3rd

but it all depends on Bogut’s health and the team adjusting in the absence of said health. They went on a spending spree by Milwaukee standards (still think MR could be shown the door at the end of the season or signed as a coach and retire) and maybe some of those pieces will help them avoid horrible losses to the terrible Pistons.

I think they could improve by at least 5 to 6 wins over last season; but no one saw the Bucks winning 30+ before last season, let alone 46.

Obviously, Minnesota will hire John L. Smith to be their next head football coach.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 21, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely need Pickett too...

He is a vital cog of the packers run D! And we will need him to stop AD… Matthews is certainly important in the Packers pass rush. Hopefully Capers has come up w/ some new wrinkles to introduce vs Favre!!!

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by Strohman on Oct 19, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah we need Pickett badly this game. I think they are going to try to rely more on AP than they did last year.

by TrevorR on Oct 19, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

NFL.com

is reporting that Clay will be back for the Vikings game.

by GinSlinger on Oct 19, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too many injuries

Is there an answer to this injury epidemic? One of the most frustrating reasons for a team to be downplaying their potential is injuries. I just feel like we’re helpless. There isn’t a good fix. I suppose it’s all well and good that most people are crediting injuries with our lack-luster start, but that still doesn’t make us a Super Bowl contender. I say, if not this year, then when?

by smileyfacejackson on Oct 19, 2010 11:27 AM CDT reply actions  

I saw an article in New York Times last year:

from Bill Barnwell at Football Outsiders. He basically attempted to quantify some of the problems that a ton of injuries can cause (link):

Football Outsiders has developed several metrics for analyzing injuries; at the moment, the most powerful one is referred to as H.G.L., or History-Adjusted Games Lost. That metric builds upon eight seasons of data, from 2001 to 2008, to assign each game missed by a player a numerical value of "injury cost" based upon a set of variables. Those include the player’s role on the team, previous Pro Bowl appearances and the historical effect of injuries sustained by a player of a similar caliber.

Basically, those players that are more important to a team will accrue more adjusted games lost.

Huge shifts in a team’s won-lost record are almost always supported by a similar shift in their health. The formula suggests that 26 percent of a team’s change in wins from year to year can be attributed to the change in its rate of injury.

Not good news for Packers fans. While we had a few key injuries last year, we definitely didn’t have injuries en masse like we do this year.

Injuries played a huge role in determining success in 2008. Of the 10 healthiest teams in the league by H.G.L., seven made the playoffs, including the surprising seasons enjoyed by Atlanta (second-healthiest team in the league), Carolina (third), Miami (fourth), Tennessee (sixth) and Arizona (eighth). Meanwhile, only 2 of the 10 most-injured teams in the league made the playoffs: Indianapolis (sixth-most-injured team in the N.F.L.) and Baltimore (seventh).

Also not good news for the Packers. Luckily we play in a division nobody seems to want to win.

An injury to a starting running back rarely affects the team; the correlation between H.G.L. in a given season and that team’s rushing performance is virtually nonexistent.

This is generally what I think. Although I would have loved to see Thompson go after Lynch, Barber, or Williams, I think that rushing performance tends to rely more on blocking execution. Injuries to running backs are more sustainable than to WR or QB by comparison (at least in my opinion).

I think the Packers performance issues are being controlled by a lack of a pass rush, games where the offensive line struggles, and Aaron Rodgers looking a little more human.

"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne

by dishingoutdimes on Oct 19, 2010 12:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting!

I think that MM has allowed the injury of Ryan Grant to influence the Packers’ play more than it has needed to. And while Finley’s loss is big, he still has never proven himself over an entire season. Again this injury has seemed to put MM into panic mode, rather than simply adjusting his play-calling.

All the injuries taken together certainly do make it difficult and can be expected to decrease the number of wins we get this year. It takes someone else stepping up – like Jennings and Nelson did on Sunday. And the new starters must step in and play high quality, like Bishop has, but like Peprah, Zombo, Francois, Poppinga, Lee, Bulaga, Wilson, Wynn have not. It is probably asking too much for Zombo, for example, to come in for Matthews and play up to his standards. But that is the type of thing that is needed to keep winning.

by MikeDB on Oct 19, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Injuries

The loss of Grant has basically meant more passing by the Packers. The ball in todays NFL is passed far more, so thats why the RB loss doesn’t mean much as compared to a QB! THe loss of Finley is HUGE! He was a game changer in the mold of Antonio Gates! He may not have the Pro Bowls to prove it, but he certainly draws the attention of the D almost as much! So finding a way to adjust after losing Finley isn’t unlike SD losing Gates! Both together drastically affect the types of plays the Packers spent the majority of training camp practicing! Alot of them are lost… So of course the playcalling is different! You don’t have a deep threat down the middle or a consistent ability to run the ball…

I haven’t seen any semblance of panic among the Packers! Just trying to adapt to the loss of so many starters!!!

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by Strohman on Oct 19, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Packers shouldn't panic

However, they should show a little more urgency than they have the last couple of weeks. It’s one thing to be laid back. It’s another to lose games nonchalantly.

by Danwood on Oct 19, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont think there is nonchalance either.

I think they are trying to learn to win w/o alot of impact players and solid effective individual players that they counted on. They leaned on players like Barnett, Pickett, Finley and Matthews alot to not just contribute but to be team leaders and playmakers!!!

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by Strohman on Oct 19, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rodgers *should* be the leader of this offensive unit

If Finley was that person they we have all seriously overestimated Rodgers’ influence and leadership abilities.

by Danwood on Oct 19, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did I say that Finley was a leader?

No, I did not!!! I said Finley is a playmaker… Barnett and Pickett while not playmakers are leaders!!! Matthews is a playmaker, but don’t know about him as a team leader yet, he should be in time! Playmakers don’t have to be team leaders and team leaders don’t have to be playmakers… Rodgers is both and absolutely an offensive leader.

Guess I should have said “or”…

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by Strohman on Oct 19, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again, Finley is our Greg Oden.

He’s amazing when healthy, and is easily one of the best TEs in the NFL when he’s not sporting street clothes.

Quarless is our Jerryd Bayless (young guy with something to prove), Aaron Rodgers is our Brandon Roy (proven leader on the floor/field), and B.J. Raji is our LaMarcus Aldridge (big guy who can do what his coaches ask of him).

I am going to do a FanPost with that. Just give me a day or so…

Wisconsin, throwing the Big Ten into chaos since the beginning of time...
I was fined $15,000 by David Stern for complaining about the officiating...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 19, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah he has all the potential but the guy needs to actually play for a bit before you can really call him amazing. I think hte potential is there though…he’s a freak.

by TrevorR on Oct 20, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Liberally borrowed from Norsktroll on BlazersEdge.
Greg Oden = Robert Parish (HOF, 4x NBA champion, 9x NBA All-Star). The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946.

You probably don’t get to watch the Blazers a lot if you live in Wisconsin.

Obviously, Minnesota will hire John L. Smith to be their next head football coach.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 21, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

His per minute stats last year

were really close to those of Dwight Howard. So…yeah he’s very productive when on the court.

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by GoGregGo on Oct 22, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

They leaned on players like Barnett, Pickett, Finley and Matthews alot to not just contribute but to be team leaders and playmakers!!!

You didn’t distiguish in your post one way or another so is it really THAT outlandish for someone to read that and not think you were calling Finley a team leader. You should have said “team leaders OR playmakers” and then you would have a point. You used “and” which implies they are both…

by TrevorR on Oct 20, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah clarifying AFTER the person brings it up doesn’t count!!! Your original post didn’t differentiate.

by TrevorR on Oct 20, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I pointed out my own mistake long before you ever commented!

Yet you still felt the need to push it in my face?!

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by Strohman on Oct 22, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

They should adjust to the lack of running game by

slants and the screen plays etc..BJack and Khun are good recievers. You don’t need good running backs for the dink and dunk.

by cheddarhead on Oct 19, 2010 5:48 PM CDT reply actions  

plus the slants and stuff tend to help reduce blitzing LBs becaues they need them to account for taking up passing lanes.

by TrevorR on Oct 20, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I expect Harris to come back well and make a big difference. Bigby I’m not so sure about. That ankle may never heal, and I’ll only believe it when I see it. He hasn’t been right since he hurt it.

Smith looked good when he was here last preseason, though. He might cost us here and there with his famous mental lapses, but there’s no doubt that he’s a player. He always aggressive and “up to something.” I like guys who are up to something.

And with Clay and Pickett back… I’m expecting a win this week. Cautiously optimistic.

by Curly Lambeau on Oct 20, 2010 12:49 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

That ankle [Bigby’s] may never heal, and I’ll only believe it when I see it. He hasn’t been right since he hurt it.

Yeah, I know what you mean, but he did have surgery on it to clean out some scar tissue that was present from the original injury. I’m not saying he’ll be back to pre-injury days, but I think he might actually look better than he has when (if?) he finally takes the field.

by GinSlinger on Oct 20, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I remember most of us in here were BAFFLED when they cut Smith loose so I am glad to see him back…he’s a guy who can at least step in on short notice and make an impact for almost nothing.

by TrevorR on Oct 20, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

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