Packers Recap: Packers Defeat Vikings, 28-24
by Brandon on Oct 25, 2010 7:01 AM CDT
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Bottom line: After two OT losses, it was great to watch the Green Bay Packers come out on the winning side of a close game. Sort of similar to their win three weeks ago over the Lions, 28-26, when a defensive TD (INT return by CB Charles Woodson) was the difference. It also helps to get that division win for any tiebreakers, and they now match the Bears with a 4-3 record. But it was also huge that they played so much better against the Vikings. They're losses to the Vikings last season were two of the worst losses I've ever sat through. It's a major relief to see them stop that losing streak.
Offense: I'm pretty upset that QB Aaron Rodgers insists on throwing some low percentage deep passes on 3rd and short, and I hated that INT in the end zone that he tried to force into double-coverage. But overall he had another great game. It helped in large part that the Vikings pass rush has gone missing, and the offensive line did a great job in pass protection. They also ran the ball pretty well, except the play calls with FB John Kuhn trying to run straight up the middle. And don't call Kuhn's number on two consecutive 4th down attempts! The first one barely worked.
Defense: Those three INTs, and holding QB Brett Favre to a 50.4 QB rating was obviously impressive for the pass defense. Not a lot of pass rush, but that sack by DE Jarius Wynn late in the game was huge. The run defense didn't look great on paper (5.4 ypc, 196 yards total) but it's something we're going to have to get used to. The Packers have often played with only two defensive lineman on passing downs, and obviously that's an easier defensive front to run against. But since DE Mike Neal was officially lost for the season, and now DE Cullen Jenkins missed the entire game with a hamstring injury, the depth is gone. They'll get some help when DE Ryan Pickett returns to full strength, but they played with only DE C.J. Wilson and NT B.J. Raji for much of the 4th quarter (with an occasional appearance by Wynn). It was no wonder the Vikings decided to call so many running plays on their final drive. And Wilson and Raji are playing great, but they can't occupy five offensive lineman by themselves, and the Vikings tackles each had at least 100 lbs. on the outside linebackers who were lining up as defacto defensive ends.
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I disagree
I’m pretty upset that QB Aaron Rodgers insists on throwing some low percentage deep passes on 3rd and short, and I hated that INT in the end zone that he tried to force into double-coverage. But overall he had another great game.
Rodgers did not look good tonight at all. He had a few good passes but numerous miscues and passes thrown to absolutely nobody. Rodgers was simply serviceable tonight, and it’s been a disturbing trend this season. This team needs Rodgers to be nearly flawless every game due to its injuries, and aside from maybe the Buffalo game, he’s been anything but.
thats what i have been thinking as well,
Rodgers is beginning to worry me, his play seems to be declining
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
Am I imagining it, or has Rodgers’ play been worse since his concussion? I know he wasn’t great in the first couple games, but after that goal-line play vs Washington (where I think he actually was concussed) his decision-making wasn’t there. The horribly errant passes in this game, however, could be a communications problem between him and his receivers. Hope they get it straightened out next week or it will be a long game.
And I’m sorry Driver’s streak ended. He’s a great guy, but that injury just limited him too much.
It could be a miscommunication
And I’d buy that for the first couple of misses. But there were multiple, at least a half dozen. And even if it was a miscommunication, it’s on Rodgers to take the lead and get into people on the bench if needed.
I think it started before that
caveat: I believe the concussion came on the last Packer’s play in OT.
All day at Washington Rodgers looked to be forcing the football to his receivers—it’s the only way I can explain all the drops. Last week Rodgers had happy feet, and that almost certainly was related to the concussion, he was nervous. He looked a lot more settled in the pocket last night (thanks O-Line!).
That still leaves us scratching our head about the routes/throws last night. I don’t think it’s a matter of the concussion. I think that Rodgers is trying a little too hard to singlehandedly win the games. I think it’s possible that some of the plays were tweaked last week specifically for the Vikings, and that may explain 50% of the misses, the other half may have been Rodgers trying to take advantage of something he saw in the D but he didn’t communicate well enough.
I’m happy with the win, I feel good for the team, so take this not as a carp, but as an observation for (particularly) next week: The offence needs to win a game. No, Cris, Rodgers did not win a close one, the Packers defence did. Until/unless the offence can put a game away so that we’re not all biting our nails with 48 seconds left on the clock, hoping the defence holds, we’re not safe.
Still, if Rodgers is trying too hard, hopefully this win will settle him down a little.
I think that Rodgers is trying a little too hard to singlehandedly win the games. I think it’s possible that some of the plays were tweaked last week specifically for the Vikings, and that may explain 50% of the misses, the other half may have been Rodgers trying to take advantage of something he saw in the D but he didn’t communicate well enough.
This ^. The back shoulder throws are something he seems to like very much. Problem is, he doesn’t seem to connect very much on them. I think he tries to make some big time throws to “show everyone what he’s got” in a sense. On a couple of the miss throws, he was noticeably upset Jones and Nelson.
by packallday555 on Oct 25, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree. Aside from those mistakes in the redzone, which were big ones, he played a very good game. Those throws to “nobody” were due to a miscommunication between he and the receiver.
Some of the throws he made were great. The 9 route to Jones, the pass to Quarless, the falling down pass to Jennings are just some that come to mind. He also did a great job in the pocket and scrambling.
by packallday555 on Oct 25, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Except the INTs and miscommunications count
Sure, aside from all the mistakes they made, the Vikings played a good game too.
If a 3 Int game for Favre is a bad game, a 2 Int game + a half dozen miscommunications for Rodgers is not good. As I said, it’s average at best.
I really hope
2 ints isn’t average for him
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 25, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed he was average. I don’t think he was bad by any means though. While he had some miscues, he also made some great plays. He seemed to have pretty good command of the offense and seemed much more relaxed out there.
by packallday555 on Oct 25, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
They were, but at some point McCarthy has to stop calling those plays.
They ran those same routes three times in the first half, and didn’t hit on any of them. People also have to consider that on two separate occasions, the Packers decided to chuck it deep on 3rd and 2 and 3rd and 3.
I can’t say how many of those were Rodgers getting rid of the ball. I mean on a timing route if it’s not there, he’s got to get rid of it. If that’s what was going on, then I applaud his decisions there. Other times, it looked (to me at least) more like it was on the receiver not breaking off the route. if the DB is running stride for stride with you, then you’re not open, unless it’s to the back shoulder.
I heard many vikings fans, including their coach, were upset about the calls. The two calls that upset me were the illegal contact on Rodger’s second pick as well as the “late hit” by Collins. I even read somewhere that Walker stepped out of bounds and was the first one to touch the bal. I didn’t note that, but i wouldn’t doubt it.
going deep on 3rd and 2 was not the right move. Neither was running Kuhn on the second 4th down. It almost looked like an option play were Rodgers could have kept it or done an underhand toss to Nance in the flats.
by gern blanston on Oct 25, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
MM’s presser today makes it sound a lot like the deep ball on 3rd and 2 was not the play call.
I’m sticking with my “Rodgers is trying too hard to carry the team on his own” theory, but I need a snappier title.
And I can’t say this emphatically enough: I want to see the ball in Nance’s hands so at least we have an idea what we’ve got there.
Perhaps Misunderstanding the Calls...?
It looked to me like Aaron knew where he wanted to put the ball, but more than a few times, there was simply no one there. I think some of these shifting responsibilities on offense (including James Jones increasing his times targeted and Double D’s seeming disappearance), coupled with an overall change of strategy on how to play the Vikes might be more culpable than Rodgers’ gameplay.
But seriously folks, how sweet would it have been if Quarless caught that Flynn pass? Really nicely drawn up play, the only thing missing was the execution.
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
IT was actually executed well, he just tripped. In execution terms though, it was all there! It was a beautiful play, well done to the HC for that call. I liked it…it was done at the right time too.
The Vikings fan I was sitting next to was livid on that one
Very, very unhappy that neither Childress nor Henderson thought to call a time-out. It did develop very slowly, especially as Mason Crosby ended up moving all the way up to the line. And Quarless tripping was the only thing that prevented that from going for 6. The guy was relieved, but still ranting about how dumb Childress was for the entire TV time-out.
“Childress is a moron” was a recurring Viking fan attitude all night. It wasn’t hard to agree with ’em.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I'd agree w/ that a lot
You don’t send a coverage team out there on a FG attempt, so the second that formation shifts to a play, you have to call a timeout to get better personal on the field
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 25, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
eh....dunno
the pass was pretty close to the sidelines. I think Quarless, if he doesn’t trip, has a hard time getting both feet down much less running more after that.
It looked like someone was wide open down the middle. I didnt’ catch a number or watch it again yet to see who it was. Did anyone else see that?
by gern blanston on Oct 25, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
You may be right on that
But in the event of a catch there, it would have been an enormous gut-punch to the Vikes.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
He’s the holder…you put Rodgers out there and they would KNOW something was up. The throw from him was PERFECT…it was beautiful.
A comparison
it was like Scott Tolzien’s beautiful spiral in 2008 against Iowa. Only Tolzien threw an INT the next play. Oops. And Bielema benched him.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
This isn't the proper place
But I felt you would like to know that Mike Silver from Yahoo, also posted a link to the McEnroe blow-up about the Harvin TD call in his Monday morning article… Way to be a trend setter
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 25, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
HAHAHA!
AWESOME!
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Great win...some concerning things still
1. When its 3rd and 3, its perfectly acceptable to throw a 5 yard short screen, an occasional deep pass on those short plays can be very effective but when you do it EVERY time its NOT going to work cause they are going to expect it.
2. What happened to the playcalling from the first half in the second half?!?! McCarthy was brilliant in the first half and then we reverted back to the early part of the season in the second half.
3. What in the world was going on with our 7-10 yard curls?? Rodgers had NO timing at all on those things. Half the time the WRs hadn’t even turned when ball went flying by.
4. Listening to Paul Allen on KFAN here in MN…I LOOOOVE listening to him after a loss for his team. Mwahahahaha All I am hearing about is whining about reffing. They are all up in arms about the Shiancoe reversal but they ignore the worst call in the game (the Collins "late hit) that set up the potential for a TD or even a FG. You take that play away and we might have won by 3 more.
Yeah
Timing seemed to be off between Rodgers and the receivers all game, not something I am used to seeing. About the calls…a few went our way that shouldn’t have, but these things happen. Same thing has happened to us on multiple occasions this season. Feels good to have the ball roll our way for what seems like the first time in a while (not to mention in an important game, both sentimentally and record-wise!)
"but they ignore the worst call in the game (the Collins 'late' hit)"
Good point. The worst complaint I’ve heard is from the Chilled One himself, inexplicably bitching about the facemask penalty on the Claymaker on that last drive. Wtf?!? The dude was ripped down to the ground by his facemask, and that’s the penalty you think the refs screwed up? Ridiculous.
Complain about the Shincoe reversal, that was definitely debatable, but every other call was fine.
From Chilly's quotes
It sounded like he thought that since they got away with messing with Clay all game it should have been allowed there.
Maybe if Chilly wasn’t brain dead he could have challenged the Quarless TD?
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Oct 25, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Re: Chilly
As a Packer fan, I LOVE LOVE LOVE that Chilly said in his presser that he thought strongly about benching Favre. That gets them all the downside and none of the potential benefits of actually benching him.
What possible reason does he have for saying that? Is he asking permission from the media for benching him? Is he trying to hurt Favre’s feelings? Is he just thinking out loud? Any way you toss the dice, it’s a D-U-M dumb thing to do. I mean, what’s Favre supposed to do? Take himself out of the game? There isn’t a player in the league who is going to do that. Everybody wants to play. It’s the coach’s job to decide who gets the opportunity to play.
The only possible reason that a coach might legitimately have for saying that is if it’s in the context of admitting his mistake that he should’ve taken him out and didn’t. But that’s not what Chilly was saying. He was implying that Brett was a bad player or something. Way to undermine your quarterback and admit that you don’t know what you’re doing all in one fell swoop!
Loved it.
by Curly Lambeau on Oct 25, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
me too
to sit there and say you didn’t know what you were getting with Favre is really just irresponsible. The guy leads all players in the history of the game in TD’s and INT’s for a reason. Of course he’s going to win some. and of course he’s going to lose some. I think most Packer fans on this blog are thinking “told ya!” It just so happens that he won most of them last year (except when the stakes were high) and seems to be losing most of them this year.
Chilly doesn’t have the stones to bench Favre. No way. It’s like he’s looking for acceptance should he decide to do it at some point in the future.
by gern blanston on Oct 25, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea...you are right on there....
Chilly thinks because they got away with holding Matthews for the whole game that a facemask at the end is then ok. He is an idiot! And his call of this being the worst officiated game ever??? Give me a break…he has obviously not seen many other Packer games.
by Yoda9 on Oct 25, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't like the pick the Vikings ran on their last (successful) TD
Collinsworth defended it, but it sure as heck looked like offensive PI to me.
The one where
Harvin just plowed over Woody… yeah thats not legal lol.
Also while we’re on it… the premature whistle on the 2nd Kuhn 4th and 1… The Frank Walker mauling of of Greg Jennings on the endzone INT
That’s part of what I love about this site and the fans. Have we had some gripes about the officiating the past few weeks? Yes… but I think most of us agree that complaining about the refs is a joke and if we execute better the rest of the game those calls don’t matter
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 25, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
no contact
between the offensive player and the defensive player. that’s what it takes to call it.
by gern blanston on Oct 25, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Brad Childress
Live to whine, whine to live.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 25, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
More thoughts...
James Jones was brilliant! Props to Stroh for being his biggest cheerleader all year, I had hopes he could play like that but I wasn’t sold based on what I had seen. He looked fabulous though.
Quarless looked really good too…couple rough moments (tripping over his own feet on the fake FG) but I thought he stepped up nicely this week and I think its going to keep getting better.
Clifton was BRILLIANT. Wow…what a game for him. Player of the game in my book…right up there with Nick Collins, James Jones, and maybe Tramon for his coverage on Moss.
Kudos to McCarthy for choosing to not let Harvin shred us up on the return game.
Jackson looked pretty decent too, he’s getting a little better each game. We need him to keep improving too! We are going to HAVE to start running more and more with the weather going to crap soon.
Yeah, props to Stroh too for defending Bulaga playing RT.
Man, do I hate to admit the guy’s right, but you gotta’ hand it to him. He’s a Richard, but he knows his football.
by Curly Lambeau on Oct 25, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I need to see James Jones hold onto the ball
on a Monday night game. But yes, big props to Stroh for his adamant faith in people.
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 25, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry to say NO, not joking!
Apparently this is something I should know? Know I feel like I don’t know squat… LOL
Oh well, at least I know football!!!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
Oh. So now I"m a dick? LOL
I guess I can live w/ that… Just so you know though, I don’t try to be, it just comes off that way sometimes!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
haha well it wasn’t ME that called you that. At least not to your face! ;-) I think we all have our moments where we come across as a Richard on here though. I rarely try to be too but it happens…
I know you didn't call me that.
Not that I care one way or another… Thanx for the friendly hint about “Richard” though. Will have to remember that one. Just never heard it used in that way before.
You've been Stroh'd!!!
He's been right about most things
since I first encountered him on the Press-Gazette forums several years ago.
And, I’ve never had any problem, really, with people who are not afraid to be blunt with the truth.
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
Nice Win!
I thought Clifton played really well. I was glad to see the running game with a heartbeat against a very stout defense. Good call on the fake field goal, just missed on the execution.
Jets next week are going to be very tough. They are comming off a bye.
Wouldn’t shock me if 8-8 took the division.
Sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.
Those of you who want a best of SNF thread
it’s going to be a while. There’s over 2000 comments that I have to work with…
Anyone who asks about my sig: the Harvin “TD” that was overturned. Probably what Johnny Mac would have said to the officials on the spot…
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 9:50 AM CDT reply actions
I can hear the whining from here
I live 75 miles from the Twin cities and I can hear the whining about the officiating from here. But, at least, they’ve stopped whining about the refs cheating for the Saints in the NFC championship game. Cry babies!
I’m glad you guys beat Pevre and the Queens. Pevre is already starting his phony “I might not play next week” soap opera. Diva! They might as well get Diana Ross to play QB.
Congrats! Too bad you’re going to have to lose to the Jets next week but I hoe you win them all after that.
Brandon Jackson
Jackson looked great, he did exactly what we needed. We need that much out of him every game. Great screen play calls (minus the terrible INT Rodgers threw on the one)
Trying to run Kuhn through the middle of that defense had to of been one of the worst play calls I’ve seen. No way our line was going to push the Williams boys back. Why try?
Nance
It’s too bad that Rodgers INT came on a play going to Nance. It seems we can’t get the ball in his hands. I think that’s one reason the second 4th and inches didn’t work—we had Nance in, and no one was buying we were going to him. With Jackson, or even Hall in there it MIGHT (really, can’t stress that enough) have gone differently. Of course, if the whistle wasn’t blown early it would have gone differently.
What’s the deal on sending active players to the practice squad. How many games active disqualifies them? I’d hate to think we have to cut Nance without giving him a fair try (when Starks is healthy).
But, yeah, good for Jackson!
Interestingly
I wonder why we didn’t have Quinn Johnson in as lead blocker for Kuhn. Those two alone would burst through any brick wall.
Nance
When I saw Nance in there on the second 4th down I thought they would fake the run and pass to Nance for an easy first down — I really think that would have worked. I thought it was crazy to run Kuhn again after he barely made the first one.
I thought it was going to be a fake dive and then toss outside to Nance. They had it set up perfectly since they ran that dive play a few plays earlier to Kuhn. Instead, McCarthy ran the same play again (facepalm haha). Oh well, at least we won.
by packallday555 on Oct 25, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
looked like an option play
Rodgers could fake the hand off to Kuhn, keep it himself, or pitch it to Nance. Or he could have hit a WR/TE coming from the back side of the formation. I could have sworn that’s what they had setup with the previous 4th down play.
(Yes, I realize you don’t want a qb keeper in situations like that. I’m just saying that it looked like an option)
by gern blanston on Oct 25, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t doubt it. I noticed that too. I really did think we were setting up for a toss outside too Nance but instead we tried to jam it up the gut again.
by packallday555 on Oct 25, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I think its possible that we keep Nance and transfer Starks to IR. Then we can keep them both to compete for next year.
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Oct 25, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Back shoulder throws
Seemed to me that all those wildly missed back shoulder throws were neither bad timing nor errant throws, but due to differences in reads. Each time, the throw that Rodgers made would have been an easy catch if the receiver had stopped, but each time, the receiver kept running down the sideline. I’m pretty sure that’s because Rodgers was reading the coverage correctly and expecting the receiver to stop, while the receiver was not reading it correctly. The Packers use a lot of back-shoulder stuff, so it was weird to see so many incompletions. I don’t know what AR could have done other than remind his receivers that certain coverages dictate certain adjustments. Maybe Minnesota was doing a good job disguising its coverages?
Rodgers seemed to agree
Just watched the AR presser. He was asked about all those missed sideline throws, and he said they were because he was reading the coverages differently than the WRs – that those routes are supposed to adjust to the defense. And from watching the game, it seems pretty clear that he was right and they were wrong. He was throwing to open spots and they were running into coverage.
the ones he missed badly
looked like they were timing routes and he was just getting rid of the ball. I was actually glad to see that rather than forcing something or holding on to the ball too long.
by gern blanston on Oct 25, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
With Greg Bedard leaving for Boston, does anyone know who I should follow on Twitter for breaking packers news and rumors?
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
...
And don’t call Kuhn’s number on two consecutive 4th down attempts!
Amen!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Or if you do, put him behind Quinn so he has time to read the holes and has an extra blocker. This isn’t 1950, the straight up FB dive doesn’t work in this era much.
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Oct 25, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
But it always gets me 2 yards on Madden
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 25, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I get nada on that play.
I just run the option. With John Stocco. It works more often than not…
I can also make John Stocco a first round selection, too. Where IS that guy?
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Italy, last I heard
Though Stocco may well be anywhere in the world at this point…
Where in the World is John Stocco?
Sounds much better than Carmen San Diego…
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
DAILY NORSEMAN
everyone needs to go to the “Vikings fall to 2-4; will likely win NFC North” thread and rec "OffBrandWisconsin"s post at 10:15 am PDT, cuz it sums up everything the vikings fans need beaten into their skulls and are too stubborn to realize
Or, for those who want a direct link,
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 25, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow,
dead on.
Seriously, the Vikings and Hawkeyes had about the same level of class this weekend.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
BHGP
did NOT take the loss well. Not at all.
I understand Ewing was a dumbass, but suddenly we overwhelmed Ohio State as the most hated team in BHGP history.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Would you have taken it well?
It’s the nature of the beast, it’s how these boards work. The mistakes that Iowa made throughout the game left the door open just enough for the Badgers to knock it down.
Besides, you’re cheering for Iowa this weekend anyway.
I sure hope I could react better than that.
Most of my frustration was used up in that awful 2008 season. Forget IU and Michigan’s records, WE were the worst team in the conference.
I hope you can understand why I’d have a supremely negative reaction to the “Wisconsin is going to get OWNED if they make the BCS game” or “Wisconsin’s going to lose the rest of their games anyway” sort of talk. That gives no credit to the other team whatsoever.
I HATE losing to Iowa with a passion. Nothing can avenge that terrible 2005 game. Nothing.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I do get that, but it would likely be the other way from the Badger
side had Iowa managed to pull that one out. I think the reaction would have been a little more “positive” if Wisconsin had just rolled up the Hawks like they did OSU – but they didn’t.
There are two ways to look at that game, and it totally depends on what teams you’re cheering for. Iowa fans point to the blocked PAT, the botched field goal, the offsides on the kickoff, etc as the reasons Iowa lost. There are more reasons than that, but you get the idea. Iowa made enough mistakes throughout the game, and they all added up to an eventual one-point to a team they’ve pretty owned over the last 10 years.
Badger fans looks at it as their defense (and a tip of the hat here) held Iowa to a field goal after Tolzeins pick and kept it a one score game. Bielema called the most obvious fake punt in history (it wasn’t gutsy, it was Wisconsin’s only chance of keeping the ball), the Iowa defense couldn’t recover, and Wisconsin took the game.
Like I said, your point of view depends entirely on what side of the fence you’re on. Doesn’t mean either of us are wrong.
Eh, the overall record
shows that since Ferentz pulled his team back from the death knell of Hayden Fry’s squads (1996-1998 decline, followed by the utter disaster of 1999 to 2001), all of Wisconsin’s wins in the series have been by a score or less. Iowa’s have been by double digits.
Since Ron Dayne steamrolled the 1999 team in a 41-3 win, this is what’s happened.
2000: Wisconsin 13, Iowa 7
2001: Wisconsin 34, Iowa 28
2002: Iowa 20, Wisconsin 3 (Iowa split the Big Ten title with OSU)
2003: Iowa 27, Wisconsin 21 (First annual WTF game)
2004: Iowa 30, Wisconsin 7 (Second annual WTF game)
2005: Iowa 20, Wisconsin 10 (Inexcusable)
2006: Wisconsin 24, Iowa 21
2007: Wisconsin 17, Iowa 13
2008: Iowa 38, Wisconsin 16
2009: Iowa 20, Wisconsin 10
2010: Wisconsin 31, Iowa 30
That’s a fairly even-keel, but considering how Iowa was the worst team in the Big Ten AND the Big Twelve North for the first years of his tenure, Ferentz’s rebuilding has been wildly successful.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
We got lucky
on the Quarless TD. The ref couldn’t see he bobbled it while touching out of bounds, it would’ve been overturned on a review. McCarthy did a great job rushing the extra point unit out there to kick, and either Chilly’s booth review people didn’t do their job or didn’t have angles available fast enough to tell him to challenge. Or he’s a huge pussy. Either way.
We did get lucky there – but considering we had to challenge to overturn 3 separate Vikings touchdowns that were called good but actually weren’t, the refs seemed to want a 72-70 final score and I don’t feel a whole ton of sympathy for the Vikings.
by Archibaldcrane on Oct 25, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd. Haha.
Or he’s a huge pussy.
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
Big win. It was great to see McCarthy finally revert back to what we do best. We absolutely shredded their secondary with quick routes. So much so, that occasionally Allen and Edwards wouldn’t even rush but rather just try and tip the ball at the line lol. They both got manhandled all night. Props to Clifton and Buluga, they both played great. Sitton should receive more credit then he gets too. He looked great last night.
I hate to be a negative nancy but what was McCarthy thinking running Kuhn twice on 4th down? I thought that was awfully stupid. Though if the refs didn’t blow the play dead right away, Kuhn probably would have gotten that. The other head scratcher was the PA pass he dialed up on 3rd and 2. We had max protection, and sent only Jennings and Nelson on deep routes. Stupid! Just stick with what’s working.
Other then that though McCarthy did a great job calling the game. It’s too bad Quarless slipped on that play because that would have been a GREAT play call.
Oh and all the complaining about the referees is ridiculous. No, Quarless didn’t catch that pass BUT Childress should have challenged it. Yes, Matthews could have been penalized for throwing his helmet off. Harvin also could have been penalized for shoving it halfway up his head. Moss clearly pushed off Collins at the end of the half as well.
We could just as easily complain about having to use a challenge when Harvin CLEARLY stepped out of bounds before the endzone. The BS personal foul called on Collins. The terrible spot of Rodgers run and the even worse spot on Jennings 3rd down catch, which ended up hurting us.
The referees make mistakes. They’re human. They made mistakes for both teams. If anything, the reason the Vikings lost was because Favre threw 3 INT’s, as well as that “stout” defensive line being non-existent.
by packallday555 on Oct 25, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Only one complaint with your post
The fake field goal was a great play call. If Quarless doesn’t slip it’s a great play period.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Yes, good point. I agree with that, I just worded it wrong.
by packallday555 on Oct 25, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with everything here
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
Collins' interception
Gotta’ say, that was an incredible play. I watched in slo-mo to try and figure out how the heck he got to that ball. It looked like he was almost 15 yards off the receiver when the ball was thrown, and suddenly he was just there, flipping over the guy and coming down with a clean catch. That was jaw-dropping, for sure.
consistency
how does he make that play but drop so many other “easy” interceptions? I loved the play, I’d just like to see him do it more often. I mean if there’s one to drop, it’s that one.
I had a flashback to the Summer Olympics when Vince Carter literally jumped over the head of that defender. amazing stuff.
by gern blanston on Oct 25, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
The range he often shows is UNBELIEVABLE. Only, he can never seem to finish plays off. I swear he had a few different chances to pick an easy pass against the Bears but didn’t. I sure am happy he finished that one off though.
by packallday555 on Oct 25, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Right now,
I’d take Matt Flynn over Brett Favre. That was a nice pass he threw.
by PackFaninFL on Oct 25, 2010 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Isn’t that the truth nowdays? I wouldn’t be surprised if the Pack trades Flynn in the off season for some picks, he could be a pretty decent starter for some teams.
I'd rather have a reliable backup on the roster personally
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 25, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
plus hes perfect for trick plays
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
I've said it before and I'll say it again
MM is a great QB/Offensive player developer… It’s a shame hes questionable at best as a HC
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 26, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Missed the first half.
Anyone know if/when NFL Network is doing a replay on that game?
They want power. We want respect...
Whenever
they stop fawning over Farve and start doing actual videos…
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
dammit :(
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Oct 25, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Schefter just reported on NFL Live that Favre has an ankle fracture
by ThroughBeingCool on Oct 25, 2010 2:50 PM CDT reply actions
How fitting
That the Packers might be the team to actually end Favres consecutive games streak!!! THat would make my Fing football season!!!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
by Strohman on Oct 25, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I half expect him
to have the ultimate meltdown, and retire on the spot if that is the case :D.
In which scenario, his career would end at Lambeau. LMAO!
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
...well
for those of you that care, Childress just had his press conference, I guess we hurt Favre’s ankle pretty bad…fractured “culcadus” or ankle
Calcaneus?
That’s the heel – I busted both of mine at once in 2007
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcaneus
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yeah that must have been it…I was listening while working and just caught what Chlly said through his grunts and groans…
That explains the limping
If you bust your heel, you are immediately non-weight-bearing in that bone until it heals fully. Favre’s gonna be on crutches for at least a month, longer if it requires surgery.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
*on that bone
TWSS
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Pioneer Press reporting two injuries to the same limb
http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_16429834
“avulsion fracture of the calcaneus and a stress fracture in his ankle”
“An avulsion fracture is an injury to the bone in a place where a tendon or ligament attaches to the bone. When an avulsion fracture occurs, the tendon or ligament pulls off a piece of the bone.” Source
According to that same article, a minor avulsion fracture “can be treated in a similar manner to a hamstring tear”.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
OUCH!
OWIEE!
OW!
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
They just played the Paul Allen call of Favre's pick six to Desmond Bishop...
AWESOME! Need to get the interweb sleuths on that one! Might be my new material :D
by Bush League All Star on Oct 25, 2010 3:13 PM CDT reply actions
http://www.kfan.com/pages/psn_paulallen.html
Scroll down and look down the left hand side of the page
I think he wanted to throw a MOTHER F-ER in there but instead just paused. He’s such a rube that when things go bad you can almost hear the tears dripping down his face.
Christopher Gates is worse...
THAT BALL HIT THE TURF. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER HE HAD A HAND ALMOST UNDERNEATH IT. IT HIT THE TURF. THAT IS ALL.
You cannot be serious, Christopher.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
He’s a fool…a complete fool and he’s making that blog look REALLY bad now. He went off the deep end this year.
Chrissy....or Christine, whatever
has been going off the deep end since the end of the NFC championship game in January. Thread like that only serve as more evidence.
That being said, if that site had more writers like Ted Glover, it wouldn’t be nearly as entertaining. There are few things on the internets that are funnier than a Chris Gate meltdown.
Chrissy may be a no-talent hack, but he’s worth his weight in comedic gold.
That play was weird all around
While NBC was showing the replays, I became more convinced it was a catch, and the Vikings fan I was chatting with became less convinced. We eventually just agreed that neither one of us knew how the hell it was going to turn out and left it up to the zebras to tell us. Neither one of us was really surprised or upset it came back the way it did.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I tell you
those Zebras came to PLAY last night. They really did.
I understand there was supposed to be a football game, but the Zebras somehow managed to make all the attention about them instead.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait
did the NFL seriously backpeddle on that call? Really? He didn’t control it throughout the process of going to the ground, and while it wasn’t in complete control it touched the ground – how is that a catch?
by Archibaldcrane on Oct 25, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
It hit the ****ing ground.
That makes it not a catch right there.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
If you have full control
and the ball doesn’t move in your hands, it can hit the ground. For example, if Calvin Johnson hadn’t let go of the ball he had securely palmed and instead just touched it to the ground and picked it up without shuffling, it would’ve been a catch.
by Archibaldcrane on Oct 25, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
But in this case
when it struck the ground it shuffled in his hands to his forearms basically, so it’s not total control and should’ve been a non-catch. The refs got the call right (whether you like the rule or not) – if I was in the umpire’s union I’d be pissed about the NFL throwing them under the bus.
by Archibaldcrane on Oct 25, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem with Megatron's TD
was that there wasn’t one. He caught it, and then put it to the ground in the act of celebrating. OOPS.
Shiancoe trapped the ball against the ground when he came down..
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure if you're
arguing that the rule should be changed, or that they are misapplying the rule. By the letter of the law, Megatron did not maintain control throughout the act of going to the ground (because he was on the ground when he let go of the ball), as dumb as the rule is.
by Archibaldcrane on Oct 25, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
The rule is silly
and was applied in a bad situation.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not convinced they did backpedal
We haven’t heard anything from them directly – only via Childress in between heaving sobs and desperate attempts to justify himself and his 2-4 record.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 25, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Direct link
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I would love to hear PA's call
of the Harvin touchdown that got overturned. I’ll bet he was screaming his head off.
I love the int #3
Intercepted AGAIN! at the 23 YARD LINE! That one by Nick COLLINS!
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Oct 25, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Link plz?
Soon coming to SBNation: The Peyton's Liberation Army?
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 26, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Righto, mate.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Oct 26, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
and this one sounds like he's seriously depressed.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Oct 26, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Awesome!
Favre goes back to pass…he pumps…
Now he passes left and he threw it right to Desmond Bishop…
Inside the 20…
15…
10…
touchdown :(
32 yard return by Bishop…
And a couple of Brett Favre interceptions have turned the tide the way of the Green Bay Packers in the Border Battle…
And they now lead 27 – 17…
He THREW it right to him!
by Bush League All Star on Oct 27, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
It's so much fun listening to Paul Allen call disastrous Vikings plays
He has one of two reactions: “I’M GOING TO RIP SOMEONE’S EFFING LIVER OUT” or “maybe if I act as if this was dullest play in the history of the NFL, then somehow it won’t have happened.”
Never anything in between (witness INT #2 and INT #3 on last night’s game). How does he decide which one to go with? So many fascinating angles here.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 25, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Link fail
for as popular as these sites are, the format for commenting sucks….big time. Why can’t I just cut and paste? Too easy?
How do you mean?
If you just paste a URL in a comment box, it HTMLs it up for you (and defaults to opening it in a new window). What’s not working?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
OH MY LORD!
That is just insane…
by Bush League All Star on Oct 25, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what all of Magary's posts are like
It’s just his shtick.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 25, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Lawlz.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Oct 25, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
That could be rated NSFW for some. Although it seems to be common for Vikings fans.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 25, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing...it used to be you had to open
a separate box (the chain link) to insert a link, but it looks like that has been rectified.
Yeah, they fixed that a few months back
The chain icon still works well if you want your link to contain something other than the URL text itself. It’s still nice for really long URLs and Rickrolling.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Vikings fans and Chilly are STUPID!
FINALLY!!! nice to see calls go Pack’s way this time……a personal foul called on Matthews. I really do not know what CHilly is bitching about there. If not a personal foul – it was definitely holding…which usually is not called in Packers favor.
I agree…Quarrles TD should have been overturned. But it is not ref’s fault Chilly didnt challenge it. Again – Viking fans are stupid. And I still do not understand the venom regarding the possible Shainco TD. The nose of the ball came down to the turf after his catch. You mean to tell me that the ball did not move at all in his arms? A 250 pound dude landing on the ball? Give me a break… I could see the call going either way actually… It looked to me like a non-catch though. Anyway you slice it – the reason the Vikes loss was because they got no sacks on Rodgers and Favre threw 3 picks.
It was also nice to see Chilly throw his QB Favre under the bus for the INTs. What a douche!
Another photoshop from me...
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 25, 2010 7:00 PM CDT reply actions
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