Packer Notes: Driver and Rodgers Hurt, Peprah Hits, New Players Deliver, And A Good Punter
by Brandon on Nov 1, 2010 7:01 AM CDT
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Mike McCarthy said that the Green Bay Packers only had two injuries during the game when WR Donald Driver aggravated his injured quad, and QB Aaron Rodgers sprained his ankle. Rodgers hurt it when he rolled out to his left late in the game and he twisted it wrong as he side stepped. Hopefully it's not serious and just something that works itself out this week.
I was reading an article over at Football Outsiders last week about miscommunication. Rodgers had three incompletions charted as miscommunication in the Vikings game, after he only had four such passes for all of last season. It looked like he had a similar problem on at least one pass to WR James Jones in this game. And he had troubles on an audible during the botched 3rd and short in the 3rd quarter when RB Brandon Jackson couldn't make it to the 1st down marker. McCarthy called it "overanalyzing." I noted in Packers Game Ball that it looked like he really missed having Driver and TE Jermichael Finley available in this game, especially when their replacements were not getting the job done.
Should the Packers bench S Charlie Peprah once SS Atari Bigby returns? It's getting to be a pretty good question if he keeps makes big hits like the one he put on WR Jerricho Cotchery. He's also been good in pass coverage, and I don't have any specific reason why he should be benched.
Some of the new players signed this week made an impact. I had no idea NT Howard Green was such a large man. But he made a couple plays, including one when he went unblocked into the backfield and blew up a reverse play. He wasn't pushed around and he's surprisingly mobile in pursuit of a play. LB Erik Walden got some time at LB Brad Jones's outside LB spot and appeared to do a good job of getting into the backfield. Veteran middle LB Matt Wilhelm played only on special teams.
I've been critical of P Tim Masthay, who's stats overall are still near the bottom of the league. As Jason Wilde points out, Masthay had a great game with a net of 41.5 yards and he pinned an incredible 5 punts inside the 20 yard line. He had a good game against the Vikings, so this is his second good game after a forgettable stinker against the Dolphins. Hopefully the improvement is real and he keeps it up.
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Punting
Masthay had an incredible game. When it comes down to these types of grind it out games, field position is critical and everything. When the first quarter was a punt party, we had the Jets inside their own 20 numerous times. I was very impressed!
*I’ve been Masthay’s biggest critic, I believe he is the single reason we lost 2 games this year: Bears and Redskins.
Redskins game maybe
But I think that 18 PENALTIES might have contributed a little more to the Bears loss than some REALLY bad directional kicking.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
Masthay is a rookie
And if he has signs of brilliance and a couple of bad games this year, I say keep him. If there is one thing the special teams need, its consistency. Not saying he should be our starter for the next 20 years, but I’d like to see him get a couple of seasons before we label him one way or another.
His positioning is also deceptive because he’s in the bottom-middle tier of punters… and that middle tier is a quagmire.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byposition?pos=P
Almost 20 punters are within the 43-46 yard average. Only 7 are punting for a higher average than that
Wouldn’t it be nice to have the same punter for two years in a row? When was the last time we had consistency at this position? Craig Hentrich? Lets give this guy a shot to grow into his own career and see how he does. Seems like we are so fast to cut the string on these guys.
Jon Ryan
2006-2007 :)
And before that I think Bidwell.
But since Bidwell left it has gone like this:
2004 – Bryan Barker
2005 – BJ Sander (doh!) and Ryan Flinn
2006 – Jon Ryan
2007 – Jon Ryan
2008 – Derrick Frost and Jeremy Kapinos (4 games)
2009 – Jeremy Kapinos
2010 – Tim Masthay
by Bush League All Star on Nov 1, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
ahh yes Bidwell…forgot about him. Check out his first year stats:
Avg punt: 38.5 yards (net 34.6)
Long 53 yds
22 of 78 inside the 20
OOB: 3
Fair catch: 27
so he was only okay in his first year as a punter…this kid has some potential, lets give him some time to grow into a great punter. Bidwells best years were later on his career after we let him move on, just like Hentrich.
The Defense
So is it the system or are the Packers just picking the right individuals to fill in for the injuries on the defensive . I have to believe it is the system. If you create a good system (as it appears that the Packers have on the defensive side) with the right coordinator then you can plug servicable people into those positions and watch them excel. I understand that offenses can figure out the defense and try to exploit it, but with the exception of the Eagles game the defense has not let a game get out of hand. My hat is off to Dom Capers and the individuals who have stepped up throughout the defense. Primarily along the line and the LB’s
by Bleedinggreenandgold on Nov 1, 2010 9:54 AM CDT reply actions
Good point, but i think its a combination of both. As long as we got guys like Woodson n CM3 on defense we should be fine. Our defensive coaching also consists of some great coaches n former defensive player. We got Capers whos one of the OG’s of the 3-4, d-line coach Trgovak used to be the cordinator for Carolina i think, back when they were good. Then we got former players turned coaches in Darren Perry n Kevin Greene. As long as everyone does their assignments (UUHMM JARRETT BUSH), our D is pretty hard to score on.
I also agree
Desmond Bishop deserves a lot of credit….he has stepped in for Barnett and Chillar beautifully…Peprah made a great play yesterday and has been filled in well since Burnett’s injury..
by SpaceGhost34 on Nov 1, 2010 3:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think things worked so well because of the lack of certainty
With so many fresh faces in the defensive line up, no one was making assumptions about their assignments. Capers kept it simple, players took their time to watch things develop… notice how few penalties were commited? Penalties have been the killer of this defense. It still gave the team plenty fo opportunities to make big plays. The real positive was the intensity and focus.
ALSO: I’ve noticed across the NFL, there’s been a tendency of teams to play to the level of their competition. Not to rain on anyone’s parade, but we definitely didn’t see the best Jets offense there is. AND, Ryan wanted to throw a bunch of new material into his playbook for that game. It backfired. The defense was able to take a little more time to watch plays develop that would have otherwise moved a lot faster.
It was a good win. I’m just hoping nothing is ceded to a Dallas team that has no business beating the Pack next week. I’d like to see that same intensity in spades next Sunday. Nothing would please me more than wacthing the Packers crush the Cowboys.
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
Guess what?
Not to rain on anyone’s parade, but we definitely didn’t see the best Jets offense there is.
That stout Jets “D” didn’t see OUR best “O” either, and we still won.
well…their D was probably a big reason why our “best O” wasn’t on the field.
Part of our win was a little bit of luck that the Jets took a few risks and we thrwarted them…if that punter gets one more damn yard we might be looking at a different outcome.
The fact that we
thwarted them means our “D” did a damn fine job. Bottom line is that our “O” did just enough to thwart their much more vaunted “D” than their vaunted “O” (namely running game) did against our patch-work “D”.
Add in their vaunted ST’s play vs ours.
On paper, they were suppose to win.
In reality, our team showed resiliency.
That’s why they play the games, to steal a familiar cliche’!
haha that is a lot of vaunteds!
Sorry I didn’t mean to take anything away from our team…it was an amazing game! We earned it completely and after some of our earlier games we deserved it!
Vaunted...
A German person saying the word haunted in English.
by Bush League All Star on Nov 1, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure, but
Well… They’re suppose to have been a vaunted team…
only if you’re listening to Rex Ryan! LMAO.
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
If it was just the system,
then Jarrett Bush would be a star. :)
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
to shut down one of the best tandem combos in the league and consistently get off the field on third down, the defense played great. yesterday was about individuals stepping up when asked (Charlie Peprah, CJ Wilson, Erik Walden, Howard Green)
"I would say my biggest flaw, my Achilles heel is my tireless work ethic"-Kenny Powers
No Way do you Bench Pep
I’m no expert, but it seems to me he’s earned the PT. Remember last year when Kenny Phillips went out for the Giants and they led the league in big plays given up? I was thinking that may happen to Green Bay as a result of the loss of Burnett and Collins playing through injury. So far, this hasn’t been much of a problem. Charlie seems to be in on a lot of plays and doesn’t get caught out of position. Bigby has proven he can play, and if Peprah keeps performing, I say sit Atari and let him rest his body.
Atari
If Atari is going to become the starter, he’s going to have to earn it! Peprah is playing to well, better than Burnett was playing, to just sit to give a former starter his job back. If Atari had won the job in training camp then he would get his job back. But given that he was injured all thru training camp, no way does he automatically get the starting job. He’ll have to earn it!!!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
I agree…let him earn it. I don’t want to see ANYONE on this team just given their job (minus maybe Rodgers). Who would have thought Peprah would play so well when given a chance like this. Its like we had little diamond that we had painted to look like a different kind of gem and we just figured out it was a diamond. Keep it up Peprah!
Even if Atari starts...
Knowing Atari"s reputation for injuries, Peprah won’t have to stay on the bench long.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
Agreed
I think Peprah should keep the starting job. He’s really improved in just a couple weeks and has really surprised me. I believe at one point I stated that Peprah was “4th string for a reason,” but he has really stepped up. Still wish Burnett was in there, though.
by I voted for Kodos on Nov 2, 2010 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Where would you put Barnett on the LB depth chart?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I’d start him next to Bishop, with Chillar coming in for him on obvious passing downs. Bishop too me, has been that impressive thus far.
by packallday555 on Nov 2, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Depends on contracts
I know everyone is excited that Hawk has stepped his game up, but is Hawk really better than Barnett? I don’t think so – he still seems out of place and takes lots of bad angles. Of course, continued improvement could change all this, but the way I’d like to see it is Barnett and Bishop starting with Hawk on the bench at a severely reduced salary. But I would like to see Barnett take a pay cut as well.
Barnett is still better in coverage and I’m a bit scared of Hawk and Bishop teamed up in coverage. Maybe they play running downs and Barnett and Chillar play passing downs. Keep everyone fresh.
by I voted for Kodos on Nov 2, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Barnett Hawk and Bishop
Will not all be back next year! Hawk is due 10M, so that needs to change if he comes back. Barnett has now had season ending injuries 2 of 3 years… JustiN Harrell he aint but still… Thats the beginning of injury prone and he is the oldest of them by 3 years!
If it were up to me, I would re-sign Hawk for what Barnett is getting (5.5M) or a little more. Sign Bishop to a contract worth 3M per and trade Barnett if possible or release him. Barnett is older, more injured and as expensive as Hawk, in my scenario… If those can happen we start Hawk and Bishop, use Chillar as a backup and nickel LB and draft a mid round ILB for depth and development!
That would be my plan… Don’t know if the Packers do that, but I would…
You've been Stroh'd!!!
Bishop has seemed pretty solid in coverage so far
IMO. Anyone who feels otherwise can correct me, but I haven’t noticed any real major breakdowns from him.
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We need to show up strong against the Boys next week
Dead team coming to town next week ….I can see this as a big trap game for us. We need to take care of business against them as we open up with 2 critical games at Minnesota and Atlanta after bye .
I was at the Meadowlands yesterday and saw some big time muscle on D although I should say the Jets shot themselves quite a bit with fake punts, bizzarre coaching challenges and dropped passes.
I still see the Vikings as the biggest threat in our division. The Bears flat out stink and have yet to start playing against the mighty AFC North. They will start at Buffalo this week and I wouldn’t be shocked if the Bills register their first W. The Vikings on the other hand – they have played their 3 major AFC foes (despite losing all three contests) and can become dangerous with wins against Arizona and at Chicago, which I think they can overcome.
Bottom line is focus. Rodgers was not good, but the Jets are as good a D as it gets. I expect the offense to roll against the Boys, which come to town shattered and with no motivation whatsoever. Should be a nice morale boost heading into the bye week.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Nov 1, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions
I think you mean...
AFC East. Unless we have games against the Steelers, Browns, Ravens, and Bengals that I forgot about.
by Matt Capelle on Nov 1, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes of course
Thanks for pointing it out. We played north last year. I still cannot forget the disgust after that Pittsburgh game….
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Nov 1, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Totally agree...
Cowboys game is worrying me a little… It is a bad setup and they are taking alot of heat for their poor performance! Sunday nite at Lambeau w/ the whole world watching is just the place for them to make a statement! And they are a very talented team! So if they have any fire left in them, they will stoke it and get it built to an inferno before the game!
It will go one of 2 ways… Either they get the fire burning red hot and come out smokin or they continue to fold. No middle ground! Makes this a Packers blowout or it becomes a really close game due the boys fighting for the first time this season.
You've been Stroh'd!!!
Dallas is still a threat
Lets be honest, the stage is set for us to go into this bye in a huge positive momentum swing, OR we can be snuffed at home by Romo -less Cowboy team…..we have to go into this strong, it could define our run down the stretch..
by SpaceGhost34 on Nov 1, 2010 3:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely
We have to get a W vs Dallas to go into the bye w/ alot of momentum and set up for a stretch run and the playoffs!!! Can’t take Dall for granted or lightly, by any means!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
My hope for the Dallas game
is that someone reminds the current Packers how much anguish the Cowboys caused the Packers in the early to mid nineties, how much we began to loathe the Cowboys, and how important the Cowboys-Packers rivalry means to NFL history (and how they stole the slogan "America’s team). The Cowboys still have too much talent for the Packers to come out flat, and I want to see them come out fired up and stay fired up. The Packers D was great this last week, but I want to see more meanness out there. If the other team is intimidated they will start making mistakes (receivers dropping passes over the middle, QBs rushing the pass, RBs looking to avoid the big hit and losing yards).
by I voted for Kodos on Nov 2, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Unless thwe Vikings can somehow rip
off three in a row, they’re not going to be a factor going forward. Assuming they get their next two, they’ll be a desperate team on Nov 21.
We've seen this act before
by Danwood on Nov 1, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol...
I remember this like it was yesterday….Pooooooleeeee …..Touchdown!
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Nov 1, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Poole was brought to GB for the playoff game the next week.
He was given a key to the city and was touring all the bars. That was the infamous Hasselbeck “we want the ball, we’re gonna score” game. I still remember Al Harris streaking down the sideline after the pick.
Formerly known as BleedsbluinMi.
"You ain't a beauty, but hey you're alright. And that's alright with me" - The Boss
Peprah has really impressed me.
I was really worried about the middle of the defense once Barnett and Burnett went out…but Pep and Bishop have been very impressive in filling in for them. Lots of big hits from both, and surprisingly solid coverage.
I agree, leave Peprah in the lineup unless he gives you a reason to take him out.
"Career highlights? I had two. I got an intentional walk from Sandy Koufax and I got out of a rundown against the Mets." - Bob Uecker
Other unsung heros...
Jordy Nelson had a nice game filling in the slot for Donald Driver…never gonna fully replace DD, but he had some nice catches up the seam.
Masthay was just plain Naastay….great job. Don’t remember Kapinos having a good game like this last year. So I think we did upgrade after all.
Even though he had a defensive holding penalty on one play, Brandon Chillar I thought had a nice play and actually showed a little pass rush too, when he lined up at OLB. Might help spell Zombo and Wilhelm out there for at least a few plays.
And guys, CAN YOU BELIEVE WE ARE ALREADY HALF WAY THROUGH THE SEASON!!!??? Feels like training camp was only yesterday. Time flies when you are having fun, and this has been pretty fun so far in a very strange sort of way!
LOL
Feels like training camp was only yesterday.
It was only yesterday… for a number of our recent signees LOL
Good win
They played hard. That’s all I ask. And winning ugly is the only way you’re going to win against a team like the Jets, where it’s all about the run and defense. They make people look bad. We made them look bad, too, and fought and clawed for the W. Can’t complain about that.
The only player I was dissatisfied with was James Jones. He had some bad drops and just looked dispassionate the whole time, like he wanted no part of a physical game. But, again, that’s the way it goes in a game like this against a team like this. When the big guys take over, the little guys look bad.
Yeah...
I’d always be disappointed in James Jones if I expected too much from him. He’s not a big game guy and I go in expecting a big drop or fumble per game. And in that case, he doesn’t seem to disappoint.
Jennings in the slot
Gregg Jennings was a lot more effective in the slot than in the flanks. He made some nice plays in the slot yesterday. If I remember correctly as I was at the game and did not have the luxury of replays, I think GJ made most of his catches from the slot position.
Should we use GJ more in the slot and less in deep routs?
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Nov 1, 2010 12:30 PM CDT reply actions
Certainly a thought. We kind of hit on this a few weeks ago that maybe he’s just not a prototypical WR1…maybe he’s better in a role where he’s the guy running those kinds of routes and not being the one getting all the attention. I am glad that not every pass to him is a deep one now though, Since Finley went down they have completely changed how he’s being used and I like it a lot!
Move him all over the place.
He and Rodgers were on fire in the preseason with that deep play. But he played great in the slot last week. Jennings doesn’t seem to be a prototypical deep or slot receiver. He can do it all.
Extend Jared Dudley!
Leave Peprah as the starter. He seems to cover ground well, and to always be in the right place. Two things Bigby didn’t do before his injury. Since Bishop and Peprah have come into the lineup, our coverage in the middle of the field has seemed much better! Bishop has actually proven to be a pretty good cover guy too.
Bishop
Is making a pretty strong statement for a starting job next year! With Hawk due 10M (he’s playing well too) the Packers will have to release him and not spend that much on him. If Hawk is willing to take a paycut, fine, let him battle Bishop for a staring job. Unless Barnett become the odd man out. Bishop is playing some quality football and he brings a little different attitude (similar to Wayne Simmons) to the D. And Simmons attitude was an integral ingredient on that team. Bishop seems to be this teams version of that attitude… Every D needs someone w/ that to kinda set a tone or intimidate a little!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
Stroh, I never thought I'd see the day you'd compliment A.J. Hawk.
But that day has come, and will be marked for future reference.
Really, he’s an average coverage LB but is pretty good on the blitz. And he almost grabbed a sack of Sanchize but for Shonn Greene’s blatant offensive holding (which was called and properly penalized).
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 1, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a huge Hawk critic...
Always thought and still do, that he was the right pick at the time. He just hasn’t played to the #5 pick in the draft. But he has been a good player and a dependable starter for his time here. I’ve never really been one to beat him down or build him up… He is what he is, but he does get some credit for this year! He is playing pretty darn well, IMO!
10M well? NO chance… But maybe 5M well.
Kinda looking to me like Barnett should be the odd man out at this point if we can get Hawk and Bishop to sign!!! Barnett is the older and more injury prone of the 3 ILB…
Resign Hawk for 5M, Bishop for 3M or a little more and release Barnett and save his 6M salary!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
At the end of the year
could you see the Packers picking up another OLB or ILB in the draft or FA?
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 1, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely
I can see them drafting one of each actually! Still need another starter at OLB, IMO and draft an ILB in the mid rounds for development!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
I would like to see the Packers pick up one of Wisconsin's OLBs this year.
Culmer St. Jean and Blake Sorenson are both graduating at the end of the year. They’re not first round picks by any means, but they’re solid players and Sorenson is a good coverage LB. St. Jean is a better run-stopper/pass-rusher than Sorenson.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 1, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
JJ Watt
Is the only UW DE/OLB that would be worth drafting. He’s only a Sophomore isn’t he?… Others won’t make enough impact to help, IMO. Can either of the guys you mentioned play ILB?
You've been Stroh'd!!!
Although (staying in the BigTen)
Michigan State has a linebacker that would look better in green and gold than in just green.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
Jones? He’s going to be a hell of a player. We could bring him in to replace Barnett, who is getting older.
by packallday555 on Nov 2, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
He's an ILB?
We need a OLB ALOT more than an ILB… Especially in the to of the draft! Give me Hawk and Bishop, if we can re-sign them both, and let Barnett go or trade him if you can… Have to say I’m happy with the way Hawk and Bishop are playing and their both young enough to make it worth locking them up again. Barnett is older, more injury prone and makes more $$$ than both…
Draft an OLB if you can, or I would go CB after that!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
Yeah, he plays middle linebacker for them. Agreed on the outside backer part too. I think Jones will get taken before we pick anyway.
I’m not really sure what’s out their for pass rushing outside linebackers or for cornerbacks. Hopefully both positions have deep classes this year.
by packallday555 on Nov 2, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Barnett wont be battling anyone for his spot back
If anything Hawk will battle
by SpaceGhost34 on Nov 1, 2010 4:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Barnetts problem
Is that he is the oldest ILB, the most injury prone and getting paid alot! Not that he is a bad player, but kinda hard to rely on anymore w/ season ending injuries 2 of past 3 yrs. That just doesn’t bode well for him. He’s still good, but his best days are behind him… Hawk is playing really good football and Bishop has been a revelation. Both being younger and probably cheaper than Barnett… Writing might be on the wall for him!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
Need I remind you
Who usually has the neat little sticker on the back of his helmet? And who has had that little adornment for most of the last 4 years?
I openly admit to being a Barnett fan, perhaps to the detriment of some of our younger, cheaper LBs, but that’s simply because the man shows up season after season, does his job proudly, and puts us in a position to win. I don’t think that’s too much to ask. But if it was, I’d ask you to take leading the team in tackles for 5 of the last 7 seasons into consideration.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Shows up
He did show up season after season! BUT, In 2 of the past 3 seasons he has been lost for the season due to injury! The NFL is all about “What have you done for me lately!” Yeah he USED to be a guy who showed up every Sunday, but that hasn’t been the case in 3 yrs! Is he productive? yeah… But again he has to be on the field to be productive!
I have nothing against him, just being totally honest! He’s the oldest of the 3 ILB, he’s the most injury prone, and he makes the most money!!! If Hawk will sign for 5M+ and Bishop will sign for 3M+, I would go that direction in a minute!!! Will that happen? I don’t know, but IMO, that is what the Packers should do!!!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
Slapping the "injury-prone" label on him is slightly unfair, IMHO
One doesn’t have to be a delicate flower to get one’s ACL blown out or suffer the wrist injury he did this year – those could happen to anyone. Look at Urlacher last year, for instance – same sort of wrist injury, and he’s back just as strong as ever this season. Returning from the ACL did not affect Barnett’s numbers last year, either.
But the fact remains that he’s a team leader and the Packers have committed to him through 2013. He is the poster boy for TT’s team-building strategy, namely to build via the draft and reward those who produce at a high level. At 29, he’s hardly ancient for an ILB, and I believe he’s got a couple of more years in him before he retires a Packer.
And makes the most money? Hardly. Hawk is going to get paid $10M next year, Barnett will get $5.5M. Bishop is a wild card right now, but Barnett is a proven commodity with no contract issues for the next 2 seasons. TT isn’t going to shop him unless he shows some sign of slowing down in training camp next year, but my gut tells me that’s not going to happen. If anything, I’d say that Hawk’s price tag will be deemed too steep after the season and we’ll draft to replace him after trading him.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Did you even read the part about having to re-sign Hawk?
Of course the Packers won’t pay him 10M!!! They would have to negotiate an extension or didn’t I mention that?!! Oh wait.. I guess I did!!!
Facts are that Barnett has had 2 season ending injuries in the past 3 years! That is undeniable!!! That makes him injury prone, IMO. Doesn’t matter the injuries, they happened! Or didn’t we learn this from Harrell? Didn’t know Barnetts exact salary next year but he signed a deal for about 7M per if memory serves!
He is at least 3 yrs older, has missed alot of games in the past 3 seasons and is getting paid alot… Hawk would cost about what Barnett is, but he’s younger and hasn’t missed any playing time to speak of, unlike Barnett.
FYI… Barnett wasn’t drafted by Thompson either… Not that it matters alot, but he predates Thompson as GM! Barnett is nowhere near Urlacher neighborhood in anything, including leadership… Plus we have younger cheaper options!
I understand he’s your favorite player and all, but that doesn’t change the facts I’ve mentioned! Maybe they can trade him if nothing else… But that would be my plan, don’t know if its the Packers! Barnett just isn’t an upgrade over younger, cheaper and less injured players!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
Stroh'd again
They would have to negotiate an extension or didn’t I mention that?!! Oh wait.. I guess I did!!!
lol.
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
Barnett will have missed 21 of a possible 128 games in his career (by season's end)
I’ll give you that the majority of those have come in the past three years, but how does someone with a solid track record like that magically become injury prone?
You’ve said yourself before that there isn’t a whole lot you can do to prevent ACL injuries, and that it’s typically due to explosive motions on the field. If that was something Barnett was prone to, wouldn’t there have been SOME sign of it before his 6th NFL season or sometime since the injury? And isn’t the wrist injury he suffered a freak injury, again nothing that could really be prevented? I think labeling Barnett as “injury prone” is a little bit of a stretch.
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RS Junior.
And I would take St. Jean and Sorenson over Chillar and Poppinga in a second.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 2, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
No way on either. I doubt Sorenson makes it to the NFL, and St. Jean might get brought into camps as an undrafted FA.
by packallday555 on Nov 2, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
And, taking them over Chillar?
I disagree on that end of the suggestion, as well.
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
should be interesting to see what happens with him…he’s proving to have been a monster just waiting for a chance. Someone is going to have to take a step back. If its Barnett, I would think he’d carry some pretty nice trade value but it would be tough to see him elsewhere. I’ve always liked him. Hawk is playing pretty well this year I think though…he gets a lot of crap from all of us, but around the league people seem to like him (analysts/experts). I think we are a little harsh on him…but I like Bishop over him if he can keep this up.
I am going to make some Bishop photoshops.
Need to make some nifty ones for him.
by Bush League All Star on Nov 1, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I know what happened to Jared Allen...
Howard Green must have eaten him…that explains that size!!
I hope MM
Keeps Pep in the line up..
Reward performance on the field over guys coming back from injury.
Same w/ Bishop
AR seems to be overthinking on the field.
Last year even though he was holding the ball too long
the reads/decisions were better.
He needs to get it togeather & help out that
suprsingly solid defense down the stretch..
Huge News!!!
Vikings have waived Randy Moss!!!! So much for that 3rd rd draft pick!! LMAO
Media is saying that Childress and Moss didn’t get along. So Childress cut him loose. Course they are also saying that Favre is the man in charge of that team and not CHildress… LOL
You've been Stroh'd!!!
No
It’d be funny if the went back to the Patriots and in one game beat all of his stats from his 4 starts in Minnesota, and signed for the league minimum in doing so.
Yeah, that'd be funny too
What I was getting at with mine though is the Pack saying, “Hey Brett! Look who we got for Rodgers to throw to!”
Meaning, they would do it for Brett, but they would for Rodgers… without giving up any draft picks!
But I still hope they DON’T get him.
Meaning, they would do it for Brett
Grrr! Suppose to be WOULDN’T do it for Brett.
Damn Ferengi keyboard…
Might've better worked prior to Brett playing with him
Kind of loses its impact after that, but I see where you’re going with it.
Also
For all the crap that TT gets around here, look at what we passed up. You might capture lightning in the bottle with Moss, but more often than not you’re going to get shocked.
Clear case of the Inmates running the asylum
And the warden TRYING to regain control… Lost cause for the warden!!! LOL
You've been Stroh'd!!!
little late there sir
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
So with Driver out now, I'd think about Moss...anyone else?
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
^this^
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 1, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Think about it...
IMO, McCarthy is a strong enough leader to keep Moss in line for the year. It would cost 3M+ for the rest of the year. I wouldn’t do that, but if he clears waivers and wants to contribute to a possible SB run, he would be worth a low level contract, just to finish the year! He opens the field in a way that Finley helped with… Jennings and the guys underneath would find it much easier to get open w/ Moss running deep all the time!
That said, given his meltdowns this year… No chance Thompson will sign him or that McCarthy would take the chance that Moss might corrupt a young lockerroom! Won’t happen, but he could help in a way losing Finley hurt!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
I guess the money part doesn’t totally bother me. We have a pretty strong locker room, I think, so I think he’d be okay that way and if we are winning that probably keeps him quiet. Heck word on the street is that before this game, he was a pretty darn good locker room guy. That said, I really can’t see TT going after him, unless its JUST for shits and giggles.
Picture this Stroh. We come out of the bye with a whole slew of plays for Moss. 2nd quarter, bomb to moss, camera zooms in on Favre on the sideline to watch him cringe as Moss catches a dagger wearing Green and Gold! Tell me that wouldn’t be priceless???
Make up your mind!!!
FIrst on one hand you criticise me unendingly for using them too much and then when I don’t you want me too… Can’t have it both ways there buddy!!!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
The SI unit for sarcasm measurement
is in Bill Belichicks, isn’t it?
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 2, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a keeper
I know everyone rags on BB’s press conferences but I yhink he does a great job.
by I voted for Kodos on Nov 2, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't put up with stupid questions, that's for sure.
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 2, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe it's Trevor's sarcasm font?
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
Vikes cut Moss!
The team is trying to hide a train wreck in motion.
…and Rice must be ready to go.
I am not going to count Favre or the Vikes out until after they lose their 8th game.
Rice
I have him on IR on my fantasy team! Been keeping track of him all season… Latest was that he just started running. No athletic running just running. No routes, no football stuff… He is a minimum of 4 wks and more likely 6 wks from being really ready to make any kind of impact! By that point the season is almost over and the vikes would have to win the next 4 to even have a prayer of making the playoffs. Otherwise it just isn’t worth trying to force him to be ready and risking further injury! Vikes will have a hard time winning 4 in a row, making it worth playing him! IMO, Rice should go on IR if he can’t help them w/in a couple games!
But then nothing the vikes do anymore makes much sense!!! LOL
You've been Stroh'd!!!
One can only imagine
if Quarless and Jones start holding onto the ball. The offense will be back into balance.
They want power. We want respect...
Yeah, had they made those two catches, things could have been much different for our offense.
by packallday555 on Nov 2, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
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