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James Jones: Thumbs Up Or Thumbs Down?

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I was looking over the wide receiver stats at Football Outsiders, and noticed that Greg Jennings, James Jones, and Jordy Nelson all shot up in their rankings after feasting on the Cowboys tasty pass defense. Jennings is now at No. 16 overall, and overtook WR Donald Driver as the team's most productive receiver, while Nelson is creeping up to respectable at No. 59 overall. But Jones remains closer to the bottom than the top, with a DYAR of minus 2 and he's ranked No. 69 overall, in large part due to his 3 fumbles on the year.

Still, his low ranking seems strange since he just had his best game of the season against the Cowboys (8 rec., 123 yards, and 1 TD on 9 targets). His only bad move was the one pass he didn't catch. On 3rd and goal from the 8 yard line early in the 4th quarter, he dropped a pass across the middle that hit him right on the hands, and it would have been his 2nd TD reception of the game.

But he's been so inconsistent. He's had his best games of the season, against the Cowboys and against the Vikings (4 receptions for 107 yards), on both sides of his worst game of the season (0 receptions on 5 targets against the Jets). The Jets game was so bad that he was listed behind Nelson during the pregame introductions against the Cowboys. Is he someone you trust to start ahead of Driver (if Driver's injury lingers beyond the bye week) or will he never become anything more than a No. 3 or No. 4 receiver?

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I liked what he said about opportunities a short while ago in an interview. I think it’s clear that he has the talent and ability to be a starter but he just hasn’t had the consistency, which I could kind of understand. It’s hard to be consistent in those opportunities when you’re not consistently getting opportunities. OBSIMH made the analogy of him being something like a streaky shooter. I thought it was a great analogy cause the only way to get out of a slump or to become more consistent is to keep throwing up shots. When those shots only come sparingly here or there, it can be tough to break out of that slump.

by packallday555 on Nov 10, 2010 3:20 PM CST reply actions  

Jones

Thumbs up, but only in the 3rd WR spot. I think he wouldn’t be as effective as a #2. At this time he just drops too many important passes to be any higher on the depth chart. But I feel he is doing just fine as our 3rd “platoon” playing WR with Nelson!

by Chief Oshkosh on Nov 10, 2010 3:25 PM CST reply actions  

But he has been number 2

Since Driver’s been hurt, he’s been number two. Two games have been good against crummy secondaries, one was bad against Cromartie and Revis. Can’t fault him for failing to get open against the Jets. Having him out wide against the corners opened looks for Jennings in the slot against the nickel back.

by Mr. Saturn on Nov 10, 2010 10:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Jones as a #2

I’m not faultng him for the offensive failure during the Jets game… I just think his skill set is better for a number 3. We can’t afford someone who is prone to dropping key passes to be in a 2 WR set in a crucial moment.

by Chief Oshkosh on Nov 10, 2010 11:50 PM CST up reply actions  

That indeed is a question.

He gets his share of catches, but those high pressure games might be a little too much for him.

"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi

by AdamA on Nov 10, 2010 3:35 PM CST reply actions  

Cowboys and Vikings are high pressure

but I tend to agree, for now at least

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by blackoutsox on Nov 10, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Vikings game I'd agree was high pressure

This particular Cowboys game, not so much.

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Nov 10, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay, I suppose...

But in terms of who the legitimate threat in the division was, the Bears game was higher pressure and Jones’ play was unremarkable when the Pack needed it to be a cut above. I just don’t think the Vikings are anywhere near being last year’s team and I’m not even picking them to beat the Bears this weekend. I mean it took a come from behind OT miracle to beat the Cards, for Pete’s sake!

"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi

by AdamA on Nov 10, 2010 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I said this somewhere else

but lets be honest… 18 penalties… EVERYONE was unremarkable that night… everyone’s trying to make JJ the scapegoat because made the last real mistake… but a minimal of 17 other people made mistakes earlier in that game that lead to the loss

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Nov 10, 2010 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Some mistakes are worse than others

That mistake pretty much guaranteed the loss when a victory was a few dozen yards and a field goal away.

To be fair though, I’m more confident in his ability to correct the boneheaded mistake than I would be in someone with an inferior skill set to be able to get open like he seems to be able to do.

by Mr. Saturn on Nov 10, 2010 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm not blasting Jones at all

I think he’s a good receiver, but he has to show some consistency going forward and I don’t think there’s going to be any credible metric of that until the Pack faces the Giants (I’d say the Falcons, but I don’t think their secondary is all that great); MAYBE the Vikes at home, but not if they’re playing the way they’ve been.

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by AdamA on Nov 11, 2010 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Thumbs Up

Yes, the fumbles are a concern. But as regards the Jets game – wasn’t Jones guarded by Revis for most of the Jets game? I also think he probably would have been short of the end zone had he caught that pass – the corner seemed ready to make the tackle. So as much as dropping the pass hurt, it was probably just as bad that he cut his route too short.

However, I’m going with Packallday555’s reference to O’BrienSchofiledismyHero’s streaky shooter analogy. He’s made some spectacular plays and I think more consistent playing time might be what he needs. Jordy Nelson generally fails to impress me, so that counts as well.

I must admit bias as I picked up Jones for FF when I saw that he would be starting against that poor Cowboys pass D and his big game gave me just enough to win.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 10, 2010 3:40 PM CST reply actions  

Thumbs down

He’s cost us with several big drops. More than that, though, I’ve never seen any passion out of the guy. He seems timid, like he’s afraid of the ball in key moments. He’s like Mike Vanderjagt reincarnated as a receiver.

Maybe the confidence will come someday, so I’m not saying cut him or even sit him. I would love to see him traded this offseason, though.

by Curly Lambeau on Nov 10, 2010 3:45 PM CST reply actions  

Interesting…I wonder what his value would be in a trade. He’s shown some real great moments and great catches. I wonder if people would give us much though. If we did this, we’d have to commit to going pretty high on another WR in the draft. Maybe get someone tall 6’3 or so that can be another jumpball target. I hear there are a few of them in the draft this year.

by TrevorR on Nov 10, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't call him timid.

  I remember a play a couple years ago when he got his helmet ripped off, and he ended up running down the field to score a touchdown anyways. He also spends a lot of time over the middle of the field. I’ve seen him smash guys in the mouth way to many times to call him timid.

I would say that he has butterfingers though. I’d also call him sloppy. His ball positioning is horrible, that’s why he puts it on the ground so much.

He won’t get traded. TT doesn’t really do that. I don’t think he’s ever traded a player, well, except for one noteable one. Brett Favre. For a fourth round draft pick. Yeah, what do you think we’ll get for Jones?

by Smeefers on Nov 11, 2010 8:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Corey Williams

to Cleveland. But yes, TT doesn’t trade players away very often.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 11, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he just demands too much…kinda like in fantasy football where guys always overvalue their own guys. I think he’s too stubborn to really give in much too.

by TrevorR on Nov 11, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait

Weren’t you the one try to convince me that Felix Jones was a good trade for a Cooley? You wanted a full time starting TE for a RB that I would do nothing but put on waivers?!! Which BTW, you did when I wouldn’t do the trade! LOL

Besides which we play each other this week! I’m not going to help you the week we play! Willing to trade Cooley, but your getting a every week starting TE instead of the black hole you have now… Lets see if we can make a deal next week. Your on the verge of elimination so you should be thinking BIG, not some bit player like Felix Jones!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 11, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

on the verge of elimination? In sixth place in a 10 team league with 3rd place one win away? eh…the only thing I am on the verge of is whooping your ass this week thanks to Roddy and Flacco opening a serious can on ya! I did think big and I got myself the best WR in football to partner with TO who is playing OUT OF HIS MIND this year. If FLoyd can come back and be a decent WR2 for me, I feel real good about this roster!

by TrevorR on Nov 12, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

elimination

OK, your tied w/ 3 other teams, at 4-5, one game behind 3 other teams at 5-4, and the 6 of you are fighting for 2 playoff spots! That puts you in a precarious situation! LOL I don’t know if you hold any tiebreakers, but its not that easy to climb past 2 teams your tied w/ and 2 others who are a game ahead to get a playoff spot. Thats a TALL order!!!

I can see a trade that if you offered it would make you alot better and give me some help too. But I think your probably overvalueing your own players!!! LMAO

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 12, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

You like to laugh at your own comments don’t you? I guess that makes you THAT guy.

Send an offer my way. I am sure you are incapable of overvaluing your own players as well. sigh…

by TrevorR on Nov 12, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I include LOL's and LMAO in my own comments so others don't think I'm being serious!

Otherwise I tend to be taken as being overly serious… Just talkin a little trash. I don’t need to make a Big trade, but I’ll send a smaller one your way after this week. If you want to make a big playoff push, you can try to make a big one that I would stongly consider. If your happy w/ your roster, then sit tight and we’ll see what happens.

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 12, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

gotcha. Hopefully my playoff push starts with toppling the Beerguzzler. :-) I am against Vick in two leagues this week so I hope this is the week he’s effectively contained! …or maybe Haynesworth will stomp on his head or something. haha Happy to consider your idea though, send it on over next week and I’ll think about it.

by TrevorR on Nov 12, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

BTW

I wouldn’t get too comfortable just yet… Lets see what Michael Vick, Peterson, Stephen Jackson, Megatron, Brandon Lloyd, Giants D and Tamme have to say before declaring a serious can of anything was opened on me!!! LOL

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by Strohman on Nov 12, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Thumbs Way Down

He doesn’t do anything better than Jennings or Driver (when healthy) so all you can ask from a 3rd/slot WR is consistency.

He’s proven he’s simply not consistent or reliable, so he’s a distraction at best. The fumble and dropped pass against Dallas basically confirmed that…it was a no pressure game facing a poor coverage defense and he still couldn’t catch the passes he should or hold onto the ball. If he can’t then, when can he?

Projectiles will find my television screen every time he’s targeted on 3rd down.

by nyrfan28 on Nov 10, 2010 4:27 PM CST reply actions  

Seriously???

8 catches for 123 yards and 1 td with 1 drop and he’s a distraction… explain the logic in that to me. The fumble is bad yes, but that’s something thats correctable… hell, look at AD this year and how much he’s cut down on it… plus that fumble came on one of his first plays and as eluded to above, hes one of those people that has to develop a rhythm in each game.

I’m still baffled by the people who think he’s a bad receiver because of a few dropped passes… no one catches them all… To illustrate my point, there was a guy in 1985 who lead the league in drops that year with 15… I guess he was nothing but a distraction and would never amount to being a 3rd WR at best… Or maybe he got time as a starter and developed into arguably the best receiver ever… Jerry Rice

Furthermore, looking at some stats right now, you must think Miles Austin, Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Reggie Wayne, Wes Welker, Donald Driver, Antonio Gates, and Tony Gonzalez are all poor receivers too since they all have more drops then James Jones this year.

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Nov 10, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I like Jones because it seems like when he’s a focus in the offense, he is able to produce. The Vikings and Cowboys games stand out to me quite a bit. I know the Jets game was disappointing but I’m not convinced that he was a big focus there. It seemed like we were content with just trying to move the ball as best we could, avoiding Revis and Cromartie for the most part, while trying to move Jennings around too.

The fumbling is a fixable thing. He always carries the ball in his left arm, which isn’t very good technique. Had he had it in his right arm against the Bears, he more than likely wouldn’t have fumbled that ball. I believe the two he had against the Bears in 2007 were a result of Tillman punching it out. Not acceptable but at the same time, Tillman has been known for his ability to force fumbles for quite some time.

Jones probably hasn’t had as many targets as a lot of those guys either though, which has to be taken into account. I’m sure he’s dropped a higher percentage of balls than a lot of those guys but it still doesn’t seem like a huge problem to me.

by packallday555 on Nov 10, 2010 8:29 PM CST up reply actions  

You're also talking about a group of players

who I’m sure have seen a greater amount of targets this year than Jones. The number of drops in and of itself means nothing, drop rates tell a much greater story.

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Nov 10, 2010 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Thumb straight across

I think at this point it is up to him, he certainly has the physical skills to be a #2, he has good hands in that he can make the tough catch unfortunately he drops some routine ones. But something has to click where he puts it all together.

by Wisfan on Nov 10, 2010 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

completely ambivalent about him

I like his story – homeless to the NFL. I appreciate that he gives back of his time and money as well. So, as a person, kudos to him.

As a player, I think he’s cost us 2 games against Chicago – once this year and another in 2007 with his two fumbles. Let’s hope the Chicago game doesn’t come back to haunt us. He’s made some great plays – catch from Favre in Denver torching Champ Bailey on the play. He’s strong and seems to make the tough catch in traffic with people around him, or that nice high 3rd down catch against Dallas. Yet he drops those easy ones like his would have been second TD of the day against Dallas. The one against the Jets should have been caught, too. The pass was right there.

His blocking is okay….nothing special in my opinion. That is surprising to me given his strength in the weight room. No one seems to have commented on that yet. I think Nelson does a better job in that regard.

I somewhat understand the streaky shooter analogy, yet that’s usually technique or touch/feel related. Catching the football is simply concentration, or a lack thereof. I therefore don’t really buy it as an excuse.

by gern blanston on Nov 10, 2010 5:18 PM CST reply actions  

I think the 18+ plays

we got flagged on had more to do w/ the loss to Chicago then his fumble… lets be honest, we should’ve been in a position where that fumble would’ve been irrelevant… I don’t think its fair to fault him because he made the last mistake (after everyone else made them during the rest of the game)

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Nov 10, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

my theory

and feel free to disagree, is that the last mistake is always the one that’s easiest to point to as being the difference. Why? Because it was the LAST mistake. The other mistakes were in essence, a non factor for that particular play. It was critical and it was at a point in the game that was not able to be overcome.

Yes, it was a sloppy game all the way around. There were lots of penalties and blown assignments. Yet when it mattered, the last offensive possession, we had the ball. We had the lead. Jones fumbles. It just can’t happen. Yes, it’s correctable. But until it is, we have to take the good with the bad. His drops are all concentration related. To me, it’s a fallacy to say his concentration will improve if he’s targeted more. I would think that if you’re in for fewer plays, you’d be more focused to maximize your opportunities. If you’re in more plays, you’d have more of a tendency to let your mind wander.

by gern blanston on Nov 10, 2010 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I would agree mostly

I do think that it’s easiest to point to the last one as the difference but I also think thats wrong and unfair… If we don’t stall drives earlier in the game then we’re probably winning on that drive instead of tied… If we’re up w/ about 2 minutes to go then (to quote Paul Allen), WHY DO YOU EVEN PONDER PASSING!?!?!? the playcalling is probably more run run run so that play doesnt happen and theres no fumble… So while yes it is the easiest one to pick on, if the previous mistakes aren’t made then we’re probably not in that situation.

As far as the circumstances for concentration… it differs from person to person… Some people need constant activity to keep focus while others can fall into a lull doing the same thing over and over.

I also think there might be a case to be made for the the trying to hard factor. If you’re targeted once or twice a game, you’re going to try your damnedest to make the big play to impress the coaches to get more playtime. However, as we all know, sometimes trying to hard can have a negative outcome… where if he’s a more integral part of the offense, it’s easier to relax because now he just has to worry about doing his job and not the extra big play

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Nov 10, 2010 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Mistakes

It’s not that the other mistakes don’t matter, it’s just that we’re not talking about the other players who made them right now, we’re talking about James Jones, and lets face it, the fumble in the Chicago game was one heckuva mistake. When I think about the bad Jones has done this year, that’s the first thing that comes to mind. Well, that and the fact that he does have more fumbles than touchdowns this year.

If we were talking about Nick Collins, we might bring up his 15 yarder in the Chicago game, if we were talking about Taucher, we might talk about his false starts.

by Smeefers on Nov 11, 2010 8:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I understand that

but people want to try and blame the loss in Chicago SOLELY on James Jones. If the people before him don’t screw up then he’s probably not in the position where the fumble happens.

Am I saying it’s ok for him to fumble because it’s the result of someone else screwing up earlier? No… it’s never ok to put the rock on the ground… but it is over the top to say he’ll never be better then a 3rd WR because HE cost us the Chicago game

This is more a response to a collection of people and not just you

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Nov 11, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not SOLELY blaming Jones

As Smeefers said, we’re discussing Jones. He had a FUBAR at a critical point in the game. And he’s done it before. Does he have potential? absolutely! Does he display it from time to time? Again, a definitive yes. But does he drop and fumble at critical points? Again, another yes. He’s got to trend one way or another for me to change my opinion of him. There just always seems to be a “yeah, but…” with him. What’s our “yeah but” with CM3? There really isn’t one.

by gern blanston on Nov 12, 2010 5:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Jones

Isn’t even near Matthews class of player!!! Matthews it seems is a extremely talented player w/o any holes in his game! Jones just isn’t that kinda talented… Poor comparison!

Jones has things he needs to work on, no doubt… But if given the chance to be the #2 WR I think he would step up and become much more consistent!

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by Strohman on Nov 12, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty much took the words out of my mouth
Jones has things he needs to work on, no doubt… But if given the chance to be the #2 WR I think he would step up and become much more consistent!

He needs to learn from his mistakes… and the more time he gets in the game the more time he has to work on and correct his mistakes to become a better receiver.

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Nov 12, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

And,
He needs to learn from his mistakes… and the more time he gets in the game the more time he has to work on and correct his mistakes to become a better receiver.

That is what WRs generally do.
They almost never have breakout seasons as rookies, and it is also uncommon for them to do so before their third or fourth year.
Now, Jones has had three seasons to learn and sharpen his skills as the 3rd/4th WR, while being groomed to eventually replace a guy who clearly wasn’t yet ready to be replaced – until now.
Now, it appears that Donald Deiver is ready for the passing of the torch, coincidentally with Jones being at that point in a WR’s career where it is time for him to come into his own.
Right now, I see no reason to think that, given the opportunities with the Number 1s, JJ won’t fulfill his potential. :)

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by NorthStarr on Nov 13, 2010 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Thumbs Up

Excluding the fumble against Chicago and the dropped pass for TD Sunday night, Jones is a good receiver. He has made some spectacular catches in the past and will only get better when given the opportunity. Remember his catch against Denver in 07? The fantastic over the shoulder grab against TB last year? The guy has amazing hands and just needs to be given more chances to prove that he is a great receiver.

Quit with the fumble prone talk. You can’t call him fumble prone just like you can’t call Aaron Rodgers INT prone. The more times he gets the ball, the more turnover numbers will go up. The guy has six fumbles and 126 receptions in his career. As long as that number remains low, he isn’t fumble prone.

Trade him? We all realize that Driver won’t play forever, right? Jones will be a great replacement to Driver when that time comes. I’m not saying that he should be starting over Driver or Jennings, but there are plenty of teams that will find a starting spot for him in their receiving core. This isn’t because they are desperate, it’s because he has starting talent. Everyone in the Packers organization agrees as well. I look forward to having him line up with Jennings as a stellar 1-2 combo in the near future.

by Matt Capelle on Nov 10, 2010 5:20 PM CST reply actions  

So excluding his bad qualities, you feel he's a good receiver?

Your argument against Jones being fumble prone is complete garbage. He’s not fumble prone because he only fumbles about once every 20 touches? Adrian Peterson is considered fumble prone and he’s fumbled 20 times on about 1200 touches, that’s about a third the rate that Jones puts the ball on the ground. By your logic, he can keep that same rate up, but as long as he doesn’t get touches, he won’t be considered fumble prone.

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by GoGregGo on Nov 10, 2010 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

Jones is clearly prone to fumbles. I think he’s a good WR overall, but my biggest issue with him is his fumbles. Even on plays where he doesn’t fumble it while running down the right sideline I’m baffled by why he’s carrying it in his left arm. Didn’t he ever learn in High School? No, how about college. Surely he’d catch on in college, right? No. Ok, no way he does this as a professional…..Ok, the point is he hasn’t worked on it yet. While it is certainly correctable, it hasn’t been corrected in 3 years. He didn’t single handedly cost us the CHI game this year, but he was a big reason why. Had he not fumbled on that play, we probably would have scored to win the game the way our offense was moving on that drive. He fumbles far more often than he should.

With that said though, he does bring good things to this team. He does make big plays. Overall, I think he brings more good than harm to this team. I’m happy we have him. He provides solid depth. I think he could become a decent #2 WR, but there are certainly other WR’s that could be an upgrade over him. If we get a tall 6’5 WR in the upcoming draft, i’d be thrilled! I think that potential would outweigh Jones potential in a big way. For now we have Jones though. A decent #2 WR, a pretty darn good #3 WR. After all, Jones and Nelson are considered by several “NFL Experts” to be the best WR slot tandem in the NFL.

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by Jabooty on Nov 11, 2010 3:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong

I like Jones’ potential. The fumbling NEEDS to be corrected though. Someone needs to show him tape of himself vs. Ahman Green to show how not switching hands with the ball is not a good idea.

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Nov 11, 2010 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

over the middle

Jones’ routes are more to the outside than they are over the middle. DD makes his living over the middle. That’s why I love him – he’s tough and fearless. Jordy’s routes are more over the middle and up the seem. At least that’s how they’ve been utilized to date. In other words, he may be DD’s eventual replacement, but we still have a big void over the middle that needs to be filled. Finley is that guy, not Jones.

by gern blanston on Nov 10, 2010 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Receivers generally don't have many fumbles

They have fewer opportunities to fumble as opposed to running backs and quarterbacks. Seeing a receiver fumble is pretty uncommon from my experience watching games. A good number of their catches, there’s no opportunity to run after the catch and thus fewer opportunities to fumble. I really like the guy, but to say he’s not fumble prone is a big stretch

by Mr. Saturn on Nov 10, 2010 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Jones

has starting talent, no question(speed, strength, etc.), but until he shows consistancy he’s no starter. By MCs calculations, he has a fumble every 21 catches. That’s way too many. Then add in the crucial drops. But, he’s capable of making great catches aslo. Thumb sideways.

by bigbill992001 on Nov 10, 2010 5:28 PM CST reply actions  

Let the youth movement continue...

Start Jones over Driver. I said it.

Guys, please. You can’t knock Jones over his lack of consistency given what Driver has done lately!!?? Driver led the team in drops last year (11), and he has been noticeably BAD when it comes to drops this year. Four in one game against Washington!

Talk about inconsistency!

James Jones has the explosiveness and the deep play ability that Driver just doesn’t give us.

Driver is just NOT the same as before.

And I would start Jordy Nelson as the third receiver. He also has more explosiveness and big play ability as well…

Until one or the other FUBARs in a coming game, I would keep Driver on the sidelines (unless we go four or five wide)

by PackFaninFL on Nov 10, 2010 5:40 PM CST reply actions  

Start Jones

I was saying that in the offseason!!! I think its time to elevate Jones to a starting job and thought this season would be the time for it too happen. Packers need to find out for sure Jones in capable of being a #2 WR! As long as Driver is around the Packers seem unwilling to give someone a shot at #2. Jones just seems to me to be someone that needs to know he’s going to be getting targets every week! Once he does, alot of this talk will die away…

Thumbs Up!!!

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by Strohman on Nov 10, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

Jones is going to replace DD sooner than later.
He is going to be getting his opportunities, and, IMO, he will rise to the expectations – in which case, TT scores again!

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by NorthStarr on Nov 11, 2010 4:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Start Jones while Driver is injured, of course. I think Driver should have earned a little bit of confidence that some drops shouldn’t make us sound the “he’s over the hill!” alarm.

by Mr. Saturn on Nov 10, 2010 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

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by blackoutsox on Nov 10, 2010 5:49 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe it's just me, but

Jones reminds me of Shroeder with his receiver play.

by Darrell L on Nov 10, 2010 6:30 PM CST reply actions  

He is replaceable IMO

I would like to see us draft a Dez Bryant type next year. We could really use a 2nd, tall red zone receiver to pair with Finley in the future.

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by juggernaut400 on Nov 10, 2010 8:05 PM CST reply actions  

Is he from Texas A&M? I just watched that guy a week or two ago and he’s an animal! I think adding another great pass rusher opposite Clay is a must. Can you imagine how good our pass rush would be? Hell, teams KNOW Clay is coming now and he’s still getting there lol! Imagine what it might be like if teams are actually guessing as to whether or not he is coming. Then add Raji, Jenkins, and Neal into that mix as guys who can all collapse the pocket too! I’m seriously getting giddy just thinking about it lol.

by packallday555 on Nov 10, 2010 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep!!!

He’s the DE/OLB from Texas A & M… Leads college football in sacks, I believe. Beal might be a good one too. I’ve been saying since before the draft that they need another OLB to pair w/ Matthews! Was hoping for Hughes for just that reason.

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 10, 2010 8:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Right move

It was definitely the right move to take Bulaga!!! Didn’t expect him to fall into the 20’s… Hughes was my choice after an OT, which I didn’t expect to happen.

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by Strohman on Nov 10, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

yea but who knows what TT will do

he always picks the best player available so we could be lookin at a RB or somethin else

by nfcnorth21 on Nov 10, 2010 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

And it seems like a good thing that we didn't go after Hughes.

People in Indy don’t really think this guy is going to do much, but who knows it is only his rookie year. I am begging to be Stroh’d!!!!!

by Bush League All Star on Nov 10, 2010 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't argue...

Hughes hasn’t been doing much this year… Hard to say what he would do in our 34! Still was the best pass rusher in the draft. Time will tell what he does eventually, but I really liked him!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 10, 2010 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Casey Matthews. :)

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 13, 2010 1:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Oops.

ILB, primarily.
Still, with Capers, isn’t almost anything possible? :)

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 13, 2010 1:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Jordy Nelson's 6'3

And was drafted early and yet doesn’t seem to be a huge threat in the red zone although he does seem good as a possession receiver. The whole thing about a “Dez Bryant type” is that Dez Bryant is a unique talent that only dropped to the end of the first round because of character concerns. I’m sure tons of teams would kill for a “Dez Bryant type.” This is why being a GM is harder than it looks.

by Mr. Saturn on Nov 10, 2010 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

There’s only so many of those guys with that talent level. Though, this year’s draft is going to have some excellent receivers available. It’d be great to get a Julio Jones, A.J. Green, Jonathon Baldwin, or Mike Floyd.

by packallday555 on Nov 11, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Blackmon

THe Blackmon kid at Okla. St. is a stud too… Pretty much compares favorably to Bryant! Leads college ball in recieving and is a home run threat too… He has to be put right up there w/ the best WR that MIGHT be in the draft!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 11, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

We’ve got room for another Blackmon now…

by TrevorR on Nov 11, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Definitely a total stud.

He actually has been the only player this year to get the better of Prince Amukamara more than once. Weeden underthrew several throws and Blackmon was able to beat Prince back to the ball and make some huge plays. He’s also a pretty good kick or punt returner if I remember correctly.

It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?

EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Omaha Sun on Nov 11, 2010 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

He is a good punt returner

But the Big Twelve, aside from Nebraska, is head-shakingly BAD defensively this year. Just like 2008, actually…

Justin Blackmon and Ryan Broyles are putting up gigantic numbers this season, and both could conceivably be 1st round selections.

Beat Northwestern, Michigan, and Indiana, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 12, 2010 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

The comment about defense is true,

but Blackmon did burn the best secondary in the conference and possibly the country on multiple occasions. Like I said, some wierd stuff happened with those plays, but the fact remains that he stepped up and made the plays.

The Big 12 Title Gmae will either be a rematch between Blackmon and Prince, or we’ll get to see Broyles try his hand against the Huskers.

It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?

EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Omaha Sun on Nov 12, 2010 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah, forgot about Broyles, which makes me think of Johnson out of USC. Both those guys are explosive.

by packallday555 on Nov 12, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Ronald Johnson

has to be kicking himself.

He could be catching passes in meaningful games at Arkansas. Instead, he’s catches more-or-less meaningless passes in meaningless games (USC gets nada by winning this year).

Beat Northwestern, Michigan, and Indiana, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 12, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Is he the guy just came back? Yeah, I remember seeing some of his highlights this past week. He looks like a player.

by packallday555 on Nov 12, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Dez Bryant types

Don’t come around every year, and I think it depends on who’s available when it’s our turn to draft. Ideally, I’d like us to get a bookend tackle for the future, or another pass rusher. But we tend to go with the ‘best player available’ strategy, so let’s just hope that the best player available when we pick is a QB (or another fullback).

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 10, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Dez Bryant of 2008

DeSean Jackson?

Beat Northwestern, Michigan, and Indiana, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 12, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say DeSean is like Dez...

Both have similar explosiveness, but the difference is the Huge size advantage that Bryant has! Jackson is small and somewhat fragile as compared to Dez! Difference of 3 in and about 40 lbs!! That is just a huge advantage for Dez that Jackson will never be able to overcome! Don’t get me wrong, DeSean Jackson is a top WR, but Bryant just by virtue of his size makes him a much more valuable commodity… And they have very similar explosiveness on the field!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 12, 2010 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Meant in terms of sheer athleticism

Maclin seemed to be the Dez Bryant of 2009.

But the real comparison might be Braylon Edwards being the Dez Bryant of 2005.

Beat Northwestern, Michigan, and Indiana, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 12, 2010 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Jones is hit or miss

And I hate saying that because I like the guy and think he has a ton of potential, but especially on the sidelines…. he just seems like lack the true concentration and hustle ya need in clutch times often. Not sure if DD will be 100% when he comes back or not so TT better do some scouting for a decent 2nd or 3rd WR come off season time.

When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.

by P-Townfan on Nov 10, 2010 8:12 PM CST reply actions  

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 11, 2010 4:08 AM CST reply actions  

Thumb Sideways

Sometimes I love him and sometimes I scream at him. The Cowboy game is a perfect example. He has a great game, but nearly screws the pooch by fumbling on the first drive (which we recovered luckily).

by Green n' Gold on Nov 11, 2010 10:46 AM CST reply actions  

This is very frustrating for me,

considering I also have to go through this with Niles Paul every week. Paul is a thumbs down and Jones is a thumbs sideways for now.

It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?

EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Omaha Sun on Nov 11, 2010 8:38 PM CST reply actions  

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