Packers Sign Havner, Place Tauscher On IR

by Brandon on Nov 12, 2010 7:03 PM CST in Green Bay Packers News

According to Packers.com, the Green Bay Packers have re-signed TE/LB Spencer Havner and placed RT Mark Tauscher on I.R. My apologizes to FanPosts by White92 and TrevorR, but I wanted to consolidate the conversation. Tauscher marks the 11th player placed on I.R. this year. Where might Havner play? Well the Packers website called him a tight end for what it's worth.

It was a surprise when Havner was released at the end of training camp. He was claimed by Lions shortly thereafter but then released a few weeks ago after he injured his hamstring and the Lions got caught in a roster crunch at linebacker. He played exclusively at linebacker for most of training camp, and he played only at linebacker for the Lions (as far as I know). Like the recent trade for S Anthony Smith, and the recent signing of veteran LB Matt Wilhelm, I expect Havner was signed to help out on special teams. I've been a little suspicious of the report that he was going to brought back, but I was obviously wrong. As long as he's healthy, he'll help out on special teams while providing depth at linebacker and tight end. Having too much depth has been a necessity this injury plagued season.

I had been hoping Tauscher could return, and replace RT Bryan Bulaga (who appears to be struggling at right tackle). It's been a few weeks since he injured his shoulder, and it's been a while since I last heard anything about how it was going with his shoulder harness. His slow recovery should have been a sign that it was a bigger problem. They still have two former starters (OL T.J. Lang and OL Jason Spitz) in reserve, so they don't need to sign another offensive lineman for depth. Unfortunately I think we've seen Tauscher play his last game as a Packer.

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So the Packers

are the Havners, and the Lions are the Navnots ;-)

by Darrell L on Nov 12, 2010 7:32 PM CST reply actions 3 recs

Stoked to see Havner back

not so much that Tauscher is done, but that wasn’t a big surprise. I’m actually really surprised Clifton hasn’t blown out anything and that Bulaga has been able to get plenty of starting experience in Tauscher’s place, not that TJ Lang couldn’t do it as well. Totally different situation than we had last year with the offensive line, good depth there.

Can’t wait to see what the rest of the schedule holds.. We’ve got games against Atlanta, New England, and the Giants coming up in addition to a couple big division games against Minnesota and Chicago (and Detroit too). Only easy game left is San Francisco, and I wouldn’t take them too lightly either.

by vitaminx on Nov 12, 2010 7:35 PM CST reply actions

If we didn't take the Cowboys game off

Then we damn sure won’t take a game vs. the Niners. Led by Mike f’in Singletary. In our house. Off. If video of That Goddam Catch needs to be played over and over and over again between video of this years’ opponents, I hope the message gets through. The Niners never, ever, in a million years (ever!) win another game in Green Bay.

Ever.

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by Clutch16 on Nov 12, 2010 11:00 PM CST up reply actions

EVAR!!!!

It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?

EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Omaha Sun on Nov 13, 2010 1:13 AM CST up reply actions

If your talking Owens catch

I’m pretty sure that was in Candlestick

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Nov 13, 2010 7:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

It was.

~~Favre~~ The Packers still had never lost in the playoffs at home, then.

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 13, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions

jerry rice couldn't have possibly fumbled, it's JERRY RICE

and we didnt lose that game at the stick
it was stolen from us

by fn_cold_ak on Nov 14, 2010 1:04 AM CST up reply actions

following year

The following year, they implemented instant replay. . . ouch.

by Ryanweiss13 on Nov 14, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions

Clutch16 speaks truth.

Oh, and Rice fumbled.

by Curly Lambeau on Nov 13, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions

Happy to have Havner back, but im sad to see Taucher on IR.

Man even in the bye, we are dealing with players going out for the season. This really sucks. But now that we got back Havner, we have another solid ST player, and he can go back to scoring TDs.

by Katsuya89 on Nov 12, 2010 10:45 PM CST reply actions

No problem...

IMO you should just delete my (and maybe White92) fanpost so the site isn’t cluttered with the same topic over and over. You have my permission…I’ll do it if I can find out if I can.

by TrevorR on Nov 12, 2010 10:47 PM CST reply actions

Alright…got rid of it!

by TrevorR on Nov 12, 2010 10:48 PM CST up reply actions

Hey!

I didn’t give you permission to delete my post along with your thread. To think I sided with you, you jerk.

EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Omaha Sun on Nov 13, 2010 1:14 AM CST up reply actions

Dude

You just got DN’d

by Danwood on Nov 13, 2010 7:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Some people get their panties in too much of a bundle if they are THAT concerned about a post disappearing :-)

by TrevorR on Nov 13, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions

haha…no point in THREE posts about the same topic that has nothing to do with the Packers! Thanks for siding with me though.:-)

by TrevorR on Nov 13, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions

Sad

to see Tausch is probably done. He was a great Packer and worked hard for us for a long time.

Hopefully Havner will continue the magic/luck he had with finding the end zone. Even if it’s just the short and goal situations. It would be nice to have a big guy with sure hands down there like Bubba used to be.

by Illinois Cheesehead on Nov 13, 2010 12:38 AM CST reply actions

Hopefully teams will continue to forget to cover Havner

Otherwise, I’m not really sure if he helps us much. I’d rather see Quarless out there – he’s very raw but has the potential to be a playmaker. Or maybe this is a sign that Quarless’ shoulder injury is worse than previously thought. Or maybe he’s just being brought on for special teams. I’ve come to consider Crabtree a better blocker, but maybe others disagree with me on this. . . .

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 13, 2010 1:40 AM CST up reply actions

If Tausch's career is done,

I’m going to miss him a lot. One of those guys that’s easy to like. And boy oh boy was he great for us for a looooong time

Jose Bautista has a higher midi-chlorian count than you do.

by Jays11 on Nov 13, 2010 1:05 AM CST reply actions

Yeah, this reminds me of how LeRoy Butler ended his career

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Nov 13, 2010 7:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

Agree that Tauscher might be done. As durable a he was for those 7 or 8 years, he just seems to broken down to rely on going forward. He could probably try another year or two, but I doubt that TT would keep him for the second year of his current contract.

I’m not a huge fan of Havner. He was 4th best full back, the 5th best tight end and about the 10th best linebacker when he was cut. Nevertheless, he could probably step right back into special teams and contribute right away and there are some depth issues at tight end. So welcome back Spencer.

by grant76 on Nov 13, 2010 9:30 AM CST reply actions

re: Tausch

Thing is, he always looked like he was hanging on by a wing and a prayer. I’ve never seen anybody have such an appearance of trying hard on every play. …but then, every time, he got it done.

So long, Tausch.

by Curly Lambeau on Nov 13, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions

Even if Tauscher return in 2011, He'd probably return as a backup

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by Troy J. on Nov 13, 2010 1:34 PM CST reply actions

Tauscher

I’d have to disagree with the author that Tauscher was playing better than Bulaga and that Bulaga was struggling. In Bulaga’s first start or two, I think he was playing a bit high and got stood up a few times and tossed off balance, but I think he’s been stout the past three games. I think Tauscher had hit the wall; he was being pushed back regularly on passing downs and was ineffective on running plays. Bulaga is an upgrade and I feel comfortable with TJ Lang in the back up role.

by Packer Pete on Nov 13, 2010 2:19 PM CST reply actions

In a previous post on Havner

The following was written:

“So other receivers are covered and Havner isn’t.
Havner catches the ball when required.
So if other teams catch on and start covering him, then that takes away coverage on other receivers, right?
So someone else will be open and need to catch the ball, thanks to Havner taking coverage away from them.
Sounds kinda valuable to me one way or the other.”

And this post was rec’d. Was this a joke or was it serious? Any receiver who is covered takes coverage away from other receivers, and any receiver who is not covered represents a defensive breakdown, not a player’s skill. So this is kidding, right? For some reason this is really bothering me.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 13, 2010 9:44 PM CST reply actions

covered

Just cuz Havner has to at least be covered doesn’t necessarily mean that someone else will be open! It might make it a little more likely, but it isn’t a given!!!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 13, 2010 10:20 PM CST up reply actions

But your attitude

towards Havner suggests he is incapable of getting open, while anyone else can.

Tell me… with 3 of our 4 TE’s injured, who’d you sign to be the second TE? Someone with experience in the Packer’s “O” and who can catch the ball, or someone that the Packers would have to wait on to understand the “O” and catches/drops the ball as well as the current TE (Crabtree)? There is a reason those TE’s are out on the street too.

by Darrell L on Nov 13, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions

Didn't mean to imply that Havner is no good

I’m just trying to say that we shouldn’t expect huge things out of him. And some people seem to think he’s some kind of great player. Compared to Quarless I don’t think he is a big threat to beat the coverage.

Also, since you say 3 of our 4 TE’s are injured I’m assuming that means Lee is still hurt. I didn’t realize that. But Lee is pretty forgettable.

I’m not against teams forgetting to cover any of our players, I’m just saying that any TE out there will catch the ball when so wide open that Rodgers doesn’t have to fire it in there, and he doesn’t have to worry about being hit after the catch. And I don’t think Havner has a special sense for finding holes in the zone. I think the reason there are so many “Havner haters” is that there are so many people who think he’s Jesus but with better zone reading skills.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 13, 2010 11:05 PM CST up reply actions

Your right... I don't think he can get open on his own!!!

I have no problems w/ the Packers re-signing Havner though… He knows the plays, or he should shortly. At this point he is as good as anyone who we might sign as a FA. Use him to run a few plays, even if he can’t get open on his own, as mentioned, he at least will have to have someone cover him.

Just cuz he can’t get open on his own, doesn’t mean he’s completely worthless… And I never suggested otherwise!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 13, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions

Your right… I don’t think he can get open on his own!!!

So what you’re saying is, you’d rather have the defense cover him rather than having a defensive break down and him wide open?

by Darrell L on Nov 13, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions

Quite being a moron!

If he score he scores… Great. But let me know when he MAKES the play to score, as in, beats someone… Isn’t it the point of the game to beat the man across from you? I have yet to see Havner EVER do that, excepting maybe on ST. Couldn’t do it as an ILB and hasn’t done it yet as a TE.

And that isn’t to say he can’t ever, either… He needed the offseason to learn how to play TE and he didn’t get it last year cuz of his idiotic motorcycle accident! Maybe w/ an offseason to learn to play TE he could make plays, but he hasn’t yet!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 13, 2010 11:34 PM CST up reply actions

WHO CARES?

That’s the defense’s PROBLEM, not Havner’s!

YOU quit being a moron, and APPRECIATE instead of tearing down a player that does his job well on a team you purport to cheer for!

by Darrell L on Nov 13, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions

For Christs sake!!!

How many time do I have to say it? Give him credit for catching the ball and scoring but I want players that can win when someone is actually covering him! Not players that can do the bare minimum! He did his job to the minimum and gets credit for doing so… But that doesn’t mean squat in the NFL. Those players don’t make rosters, they hang on as fringe players. I don’t want fringe players on my team, I want good football players that can win one on one battles, something Havner has never shown he can do!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 13, 2010 11:50 PM CST up reply actions

Thank you

Give him credit for what he has done. But what he has done isn’t really more than the minimum expected. His own stupidity cost him valuable preseason time. I didn’t think I’d have to repeat this again, but he doesn’t take away any more coverage from other receivers than an eligible lineman would. It’s more to the offensive coordinator’s credit than his that he wasn’t covered on a few plays. Serviceable, yes. A good special teams player, sure. But not a savior. We’re not “tearing him down,” but we’re not proclaiming the Second Coming, either. And how is anyone saying that they hope the defense covers him? Where did you get this from?

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 14, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions

I get that from Strohman

And if you’ve read my posts right, you’d see I never proclaimed him a savior either.

by Darrell L on Nov 14, 2010 4:40 PM CST up reply actions

Except I never said anything remotely close!!!

You fabricated it to fit your argument!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 14, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions

I was the one that said "savior"

And I was being hyperbolic, obviously (or at least I thought I was being obvious. Didn’t mean to offend anyone). I just think some fans seem to expect Havner to come in and be a star, whereas I think he’s a serviceable backup and will almost certainly never be anything more than that.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 14, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions

Nope. Not a joke.

And I am the one that posted it.

Many are saying Havner is no good, etc.

My post points out that Havner doing his job IS good for the team.

I mean… if he does what he’s suppose to do and does it well, then what the hell is the problem?

by Darrell L on Nov 13, 2010 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

AND

Who cares if there is a Defensive breakdown on covering him? NOT the Packers problem! If it puts points on the board for us, then YAY.

by Darrell L on Nov 13, 2010 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Yep

Whats up with all the Spencer haters on here, seriously.The man scored 4 Tds for us last year, which is 24 points that he helped our offense put on the board. And the dude made multiple tackles on ST. Pretty decent player to have imo. And he’s not left uncovered, he just knows where the soft spots are on defenses since he plays LB, like his TD catch in the playoff game against the Cards.

Here’s the link: http://www.nfl.com/players/spencerhavner/profile?id=HAV659188
Watch as he cuts a cross route in front of two defenders and stiff arms his way to the end zone.

by Katsuya89 on Nov 13, 2010 10:47 PM CST up reply actions

Stiff arms one of the worst tackling CB in the NFL!!!

Rodgers Cromartie is about 180 lbs… Great cover guy but he has trouble tackling WR for Christs sake… Much less a guy that outways him by 60-70 lbs!!! He ran a simple in route w/ no one even close to him and caught the ball. Give him a little credit for that… But heck just about any one of US could have scored on that play. DRC makes about as many tackle as his cousin! LOL

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 13, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions

So...

since DRC is a bad tackler, are you implying that Havner should not have straight-armed him?

Seems to me that no matter who the db is, if he is trying to get to the endzone, then he should be straight arming them.

Thus, he did what he was suppose to do.

What did you want him to do? Trip before catching the ball? Trip[ on his way into the endzone? Let the DB tackle him?

by Darrell L on Nov 13, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions

NO!!!

Just sayin he didn’t do anything that really made the play! He caught a ball w/ no one w/in 8 yds of him turned and ran into the end zone, by not getting tackled by one of the worst tacklers in the NFL! He did what he was supposed to do, but thats ALL!!!

I want player on the team that can do more than just the bare minimum! He hasn’t shown the ability to make a play if he’s covered, which against DRC he wasn’t…

Quite arguing for cryin out loud… Like I said, give him credit for doing the bare minimum, but he didn’t make a play. And IMO, he never will…

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 13, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions

Making a play

Catching the ball is making a play. Scoring a TD is making a play.

by Darrell L on Nov 13, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions

Not IMO...

In my opinion, making a play is beating coverage and CREATING a play! Something Havner can’t do as a TE or a LB…

Catching a ball is the minimum… If it happens to be in the end zone even better, but its not winning football or creating a play!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 13, 2010 11:52 PM CST up reply actions

So if a QB scores from the one-inch line on a sneak

on a play that was called by the coach, does that mean he’s a great QB? Or did he just do what every other QB in the league (or off the street) could do?

There is a difference between executing a play that anyone could make and excelling while playing. Spencer is adequate but does not excel as a player. I cheer him on as a Packer but I don’t get excited about him being on the team.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 14, 2010 2:57 PM CST up reply actions

LOL

I call it the same thing that you’re replying to: Making a play. is it SPECTACULAR? No. But it IS making a play.

by Darrell L on Nov 14, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions

stfu

how many td’s did you score last season? how many times did you get wide open? oh whats that, you ran your routes right into the cornerback so the corner didn’t get his feelings hurt

by fn_cold_ak on Nov 14, 2010 12:57 AM CST up reply actions

Okay, now this is just childish

Really? So no one who has not done these things can comment on this site except to exude praise? Then this blog will get awfully boring and very quiet.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 14, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs

You'll notice I didn't bother to respond!!!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 14, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions

Where are you getting this?!?!

Where does Strohman say that Havner shouldn’t have stiff-armed him? All he is saying it that it wasn’t an amazing play. It was a play many TEs could make. He “did what he was suppose[d] to do.” Is that really anything that makes him a special player?

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 14, 2010 2:52 PM CST up reply actions

So that's what it comes down to?

An AMAZING play, vs a POSITIVE play?

That’s what I thought. You and Stroh want exciting plays rather than POSITIVE plays that help the team win.

I don’t care if the team was the most boring in the universe, as long as they are winning with POSITIVE plays.

by Darrell L on Nov 14, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions

A stiff arm on a guy that is among the worst tackler in the NFL is a very ordinary play!

If your OK w/ having ordinary players on your team… Fine! I am NOT… I want guys that create plays even when they are covered… And if I have a guy that can’t do that, I am looking for a better player! Period…

WHen Havner makes a play when he is covered or does something that indicates talent I’ll be the first to admit it.

Like I said, he gets credit for catching the ball. Beyond that he did nothing that requires ANY talent!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 14, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions

Here is why I am arguing-

You are criticizing a player that does what he is suppose to do. One that has helped the team win.

Who gives a rats ass if the opposing defense blows coverage on him? That is GOOD for our team.

You should be applauding that he DID catch the ball. You should be applauding that he DID score.

Instead, you are arguing in a negative way towards that player for doing what he is suppose to be doing.

I am by no means saying Havner is the next coming of Christ, BUT I will applaud a player doing his job correctly.

by Darrell L on Nov 13, 2010 11:35 PM CST reply actions 3 recs

Damn

in Maxwell Smart voice Missed the reply box by that much!

by Darrell L on Nov 13, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions

I gave him credit for both catching and scoring...

But it doesn’t change the fact that he did nothing to win a matchup or beat coverage! He didn’t… When you understand that, then you understand what I’m saying. I want players that can win one on one, and players that make something on their own. If you can’t do that, then I am trying to replace you!!! Which it seems the Packers did, not to mention the freakin Lions!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 13, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions

The Lions didn't know how to use him.

He ended up having training snaps taken away from him because he had to cover a LB spot due to injuries during training camp.

Funny how the two positions he plays and could have helped out at most are the two hit hardest with injuries.

I put it on Thompson for wanting 3 fullbacks rather than 5 TE’s (which is a bit much for either position).

by Darrell L on Nov 14, 2010 12:14 AM CST up reply actions

Fact is the Lions didn't think he deserved a spot on their roster!

TE or LB, heck even ST for that matter! And apparently didn’t think he had the potential too either… If the Packers didn’t have alot of injuries at the 2 positions he knows (notice I didn’t say could play) they wouldn’t have him on the team either!

Failed LB, no real talent as a TE and good ST player… Let someone else have him next year. Until we’re healthy, he can stick around.

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 14, 2010 12:30 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs

+1

That about sums it up.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 14, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions

Didn't sum up anything.

by Darrell L on Nov 14, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions

Rec’d

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 14, 2010 7:10 PM CST up reply actions

You are not making much sense. By catching the ball in front of two defenders playing zone coverage and stiff arming his way into the end zone means he beat the coverage. If he had failed, he would have gotten tackled right away and it would have been a minimal gain, which is what Donald Lee has been pretty much doing for the 2 years.

by Katsuya89 on Nov 14, 2010 12:16 AM CST up reply actions

Not IMO...

Beating coverage is more than being open by default!!! Zone, man… doesn’t matter, he didn’t have anyone w/in 8 yds of him at ANY time on that play, till well after he caught the ball… That doesn’t qualify as beating coverage!!! Not getting tackled by a 180 lbs guy who is widely known as a poor tackler is doing the minimum.

At least Lee is capable of functioning in the offense… Good at all the aspects of being a TE. Not great at any… You might disagree, but if not on the Packers he would be on just about any team in the NFL. Havner has been released more time than I can remember! Packers couple times, Lions and at least another team! He’s at best a fringe NFL player… Not good enough to hold an NFL job for the duration!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 14, 2010 12:41 AM CST up reply actions

you are an idiot

so if the offense calls the perfect play against the defense the reciever should laydown and not let the defense look bad

by fn_cold_ak on Nov 14, 2010 1:01 AM CST up reply actions

Yes that's exactly what he's saying (HUGE SARCASM FONT!!!)

Seriously… read what’s he saying… He’s saying that the 4 TD’s Havner had last year were because of situations where the “perfect” play was called… or Aaron pump faked the DB off of him, or the def blew their assignments and left him all open.

Stroh has said that he does the minimal needed to get the job done, which maybe that’s what you guys want… someone to do the minimal… but I, much like Stroh… want someone people who are better then that… we want people who can go out and turn nothing into something… If Havner gets coverage can he make still make the play… can he do some form of double move to shake coverage… can he stay back and block? (I actually don’t know what his blocking skill set is like to be 100% honest)

The point Stroh is trying to make that you guys aren’t grasping is, the “plays” HE makes are the result of someone else work and not his own… He and I want players that CAN MAKE THEIR OWN PLAYS… not people who look good based off of someone elses work

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Nov 14, 2010 4:23 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs

Sorry for the grammatically bad post

I guess I shouldn’t stay up til 530 posting on here anymore lol

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Nov 14, 2010 4:26 AM CST up reply actions

Okay, the grammar wasn't pefect . . .

But the argument is spot on. And it certainly beats childish name-calling. Just because we think a player isn’t great doesn’t mean we don’t wish him well as a Packer. And really, the grammar wasn’t so bad that it is hard to understand, and if you can still make sense at 5:30 in the morning you’re ahead of the game.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 14, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions

Hrm

I like Havner. Nose for the endzone, decent ST guy. I think the reason they picked him up was because he already knew a lot of the playbook and so he would be immidiately effective and he’s a decent player who can contribute on several facits of our team.

I don’t think he’s a playmaker. Then again, I don’t think B Jack, Brett Swain, Kuhn, Hall, or Lee are playmakers and they’re doing just fine. I think the whole argument’s irrelevent anyway, because he’s our 5th string tight end and whether or not he’s a playmaker doesn’t really matter. I hope he gets lucky some more and scores some TD’s. If he doesn’t, I won’t be suprised.

I’d love to have someone better than him on our team, but I’m not really willing to give up a draft pick in a trade for someone’s second stringer in a position where we’re deep as heck. That’s why I think picking up Havner was a good idea. Will he stick around next year? doubtfull, but then again… who cares? Hello Lockout!

by Smeefers on Nov 14, 2010 7:01 PM CST up reply actions

Exactly

The point Stroh is trying to make that you guys aren’t grasping is, the "plays" HE makes are the result of someone else work and not his own… He and I want players that CAN MAKE THEIR OWN PLAYS…

Havner is nothing more than serviceable enough to help get us through our current injury situation; he will not still be around next summer, fighting for a roster spot, IMO.
He does not measure up to our standards, going forward!

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 14, 2010 7:21 PM CST up reply actions

I agree that Havner shouldn't be in the team's future plans

Where I’ve been frustrated is that is seems like people are anti-Havner signing for this season (although I think I was misconstruing what people were saying). I think he’ll do a serviceable job filling in at TE when necessary this year, but doesn’t have the long-term potential that guys like Quarless and Crabtree have. I’m thinking next year we’ll go back to 3 TE with those two and Finley, and I’ll be more than OK with that.

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by GoGregGo on Nov 14, 2010 7:26 PM CST up reply actions

Where do we say that he's no good? Or that we cheer against him?

All we are saying is that he’s not a great player. Serviceable but not a great player. That is all. And of course we’ll be cheering for him as a Green Bay Packer.