Mid-Season Review: Green Bay Packers
It's not exactly mid-season, but the Green Bay Packers are coming off their bye week with nine games played and seven left to go. It feels like mid-season to me, and it's time to look back at how they've played so far. From Football Outsiders: the Packers 2010 DVOA rankings through week 10 and their final rankings from 2009.
| Year | Offense | Defense | Special Teams |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2010 | 7 | 5 | 30 |
| 2009 | 5 | 2 | 32 |
After all their injuries through an up-and-down season, they're almost the same team they were a year ago. Though they're much better at avoiding penalties this year. Despite some current hand-wringing, this is looking like another 11-5 team that should make the playoffs. Hopefully that record will be good enough because there doesn't seem to be an obvious area to improve (except special teams, but they've made it pretty clear they're keeping special teams coach Shawn Slocum).
Let's look at the differences which aren't likely to surprise anyone.
First, let's look at the offense. 2010 stats and 2009 stats again from Football Outsiders:
| Year | Pass Offense | Run Offense |
|---|---|---|
| 2010 | 5 | 10 |
| 2009 | 9 | 2 |
Unsurprisingly, the running attack was a lot better last season with RB Ryan Grant. Give credit to RB Brandon Jackson, who's once again doing all the things he did great last season as a receiver and blocker, but he isn't replacing what Grant did on the ground. Unless rookie RB James Starks turns into Grant v.2.0 (I'm not holding my breath) expect the running attack to fall further in the rankings as the weather turns nastier. I wish Grant was healthy and the running attack was better, but there's nothing to be done about it now and they're running the football pretty well considering.
It might be unexpected that the passing attack is ranked higher this season, but at Football Outsiders they factor in sacks. QB Aaron Rodgers was sacked 41 times in his first 9 games of 2009, and only 17 times through 9 in 2010. His completion percentage is down, and his INTs are up, but those sacks were a huge drag on the pass offense. They'd be better with TE Jermichael Finley, but just a reminder, this is still a potent passing attack.
Second, the defense. 2010 stats and 2009 stats from Football Outsiders:
| Year | Pass Defense | Run Defense |
|---|---|---|
| 2010 | 1 | 21 |
| 2009 | 4 | 5 |
As pointed out in this Fan Post, the defense is forcing a lot of INTs, sacks, and scored 4 TDs. While CB Charles Woodson and FS Nick Collins are great once again, the play of CB Sam Shields and SS Charlie Peprah has been amazing (considering what was expected from both coming into the season). And CB Tramon Williams has become a shut down corner. They can't get better than No. 1.
The run defense is getting an unfair ranking here. A lot of the damage done this year has been from scrambling quarterbacks. RB Adrian Peterson had a big game, but due to injuries, the Packers only had three healthy defensive lineman against the Vikings. The next week when DE Cullen Jenkins returned and NT Howard Green was added to the roster, they stuffed RB LaDainian Tomlinson and only allowed a big run to their punter (which wasn't a successful play anyway) and (another) quarterback scramble.
There isn't much to be done about the quarterback scramble because the pass defense is usually playing man coverage, which opens up a lot of running room if he can get past the initial rush. It doesn't make sense to change an overall great defensive scheme for this small problem. Plus the ranking should improve as the weather turns colder, and it becomes harder to run in general. With the return of DE Ryan Pickett to full health, maybe as soon as next Sunday, the run defense looks as good as ever going into the final 7 games.
Last, and least, are the special teams. They aren't worst in the NFL anymore! The good news is that the awful games (Bears and Redskins) are now weeks away, and they've been mostly mediocre this season. And they have the potential to improve because P Tim Masthay keeps getting better and maybe Shields can become a dangerous return man.
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Question...
I was thinking about this. With all these injuries we’ve had, and the fact we are still playing at such a high level, does that mean that our success is because of our “system”? To me, that might be the biggest news of all this year.
That means we might be becoming like the Patriots or Steelers — those elite teams that even if they lose key players, their “system” is so good, that they keep doing well. Those teams just plug in new players all the time and keep on winning.
That’s what’s starting to make this season so potentially special. But still a long ways to go…
But I would add this, the loss of any defensive players has been made up by the elevation of Mathews, Tramon and BJ Raji this year. Those guys are all better (a lot better!) this year, and I think they are making everyone around them better.
No doubt our success (like most things in life) is due to a combination of factors….
I think we clearly have good coaches and a good roster
I’ll belly-ache about MM’s play calling like everyone else from time to time, but overall we seem to have a well-coached team, and plenty of players ready to step up when their number is called. Overall the success this season in spite of injuries is a credit to the coaches, players, and TT for getting those pieces into place. Dom especially has done a great job with a patchwork defense.
by Puddleglumed on Nov 17, 2010 8:23 AM CST up reply actions
I agree except for special teams
We still are horrible in this area. I can only assume Slocum “knows” something or someone, so he keeps his job. Why else would we keep a consistent underachiever.
Slocum
not making excuses for him because I’m not impressed with the results so far, but one thing to consider is that with the rash of injuries that have hit the team and the resultant new guys coming in, the majority of the coaching exposure had to have been to get them up to speed with their positions, rather than with ST
As for Rodgers INT’s being up, I think he’s trying to push the limits of his playmaking a little bit more to create more opportunities due to increased confidence and the rash of injuries. Last year he was playing within the system – and doing it very well, obviously.
by gern blanston on Nov 17, 2010 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
The injuries are a set back to any ST Coach, because even if the team is healthy, the time they get to spend with their players is still very much limited compared to Offensive and Defensive Coordinators.
I’m not a huge Slocum fan, but he has improved the ST this year. The penalties are down, and that I think was the biggest focus this past offseason. As long as ST keeps improving, his job is most likely safe.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
It's kind of tough when some of your main ST contributors end up in the starting line-up.
The STs haven’t been very good, but they have improved from that horrific stretch early on, which comes from good coaching and players buying in.
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I would say is there are key players
Even on those Steelers and Patriot teams there are a couple key individuals and then a bunch of other guys stepping up. That’s what the Packers are becoming.
Key guys, C-Wood, the Claymaker, Collins, Rodgers….maybe even Finely since the offense looks different without him.
by PackApologist on Nov 17, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
+1
Guys stepping up is the reason for our success. I think the system, especially defensively helps but we wouldn’t be able to execute it if we didn’t have the players stepping up.
by packallday555 on Nov 17, 2010 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
difference makers
AS long as we don’t lose anymore difference makers we’ll be OK… really the only difference maker lost is Finley! All the rest are replacable!
Its why my confidence in the poll has never dropped below 80. For each difference maker lost it goes down alot. i started at 90, losing one Difference maker lowered it to 80 another one to 60…
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
You can argue Grant
but otherwise I agree.
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by NorthSidePaulie on Nov 17, 2010 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
It’d be great to see our special teams actually playing for once. Does anybody else almost feel embarrassed for the guys that at times, we don’t even Crosby kick off normally but rather just squib it? I mean seriously, how can anybody be that bad at covering a kickoff? If everyone just runs in their lanes their really shouldn’t be a problem lol!
It seems like we’re getting better on punt coverage though, which probably has to do with Mathsay performing better as of late. So I guess that’s a positive.
I also noticed something...
Nick Collins was playing on special teams against Dallas and he was flying on kick coverage…which, given his importance to our D, is kinda scary.
Anyone know how long he’s been playing ST?
by PackFaninFL on Nov 17, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I saw that too. I’ve seen Williams playing on kickoff coverage too, which scares me. I’ve also seen both make some potential TD saving tackles though.
by packallday555 on Nov 17, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
ST
think we’ll kick to Hester next game?
by bigbill992001 on Nov 17, 2010 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
I think I'll start to think about that
in about six weeks.
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
I'm surprised...
by the stats for our running game. I worry that without Grant, we would become too one dimensional.
Also, I haven’t been able to watch many games this year, but in the past, McCarthy seems to like running the play action. No run game = no play action.
The runnning game actually hasn't been too bad.
The line wasn’t blocking and B-Jax was still adjusting to his new role early on. Now he’s perfomring pretty well. MM doesn’t exactly call a ton of runs though.
It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its amazing just how bad our ST was last year if we’ve actually gotten better this year and its still THIS bad. Yikes. Something HAS to be done about that in the offseason.
I love when people talk about the Packers and how they are so bad against the run. When you crunch the numbers, GB is a top 10 D against running backs. They are very solid and getting better each week. This defense is playing at a level I could have never expected with all the injuries. What Capers is doing here is completely amazing. I hope no one looks at him for an HC job!!!
The passing offense getting better IS shocking cause I feel we are less efficient on 3rd downs and in the redzone…though maybe we were just THAT good last year that there was bound for a let down.
Yeah, I don’t worry about the running game one bit. I think we’ll see our run defense do much better this weekend with Jenkins and Pickett actually playing this time around.
by packallday555 on Nov 17, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
In fantasy football the D is top 3 against RBs
It’s by no means a perfect stat, but according to ESPN’s “points against” tool, only two teams allow fewer points to opposing running backs – the Steelers and the Jets.
by Puddleglumed on Nov 17, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
Not in the league I play in.
IDP :)
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
The focus this past offseason was to reduce penalties on Special Teams, so that area is much improved. However, there is still much work to be done. MUCH work to be done. It’s far from perfect, but they are still improving, and that’s what is important right now.
I’m afraid that Capers might get another chance to Head Coach again too. It’s been on the back of my mind the past couple weeks. Who in the world would we hire as a new DC? We all love Capers so much and just wish he’d stay here to be the face of our defense like Lebeau is for Pittsburgh. If he doesn’t, I understand, but do we promote from within or hire elsewhere? I don’t think we have anyone ready to step up to be the DC of this defense yet. Trygovac was a 4-3 guy, wasn’t he? Kevin Greene is still relatively inexperienced yet. Oh, just the thought of this hurts. I’ll stop now. Please don’t leave Dom!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I worry about that too, but
Capers is 48-80 as a head coach in the NFL, with only one winning season to his name. It’s not exactly what you would call terrible given the fact that both times he was coaching expansion teams, but still . . I feel like he needs more than 2 season of success as a D coordinator to generate interest again.
by Puddleglumed on Nov 17, 2010 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
I'd agree with you
but then you look at how Norv Turner, Wade Phillips (until recently), and Chan Gailey, to name a few, have all somehow worked their way back into head coaching jobs.
Hell, Chan Gailey was fired from the Chiefs offensive coordinator position after three games last year, and he had a head coaching job the next year.
I wonder, if Jason Garrett doesn’t hang on to the Cowboys job, if Jerry Jones would go after Capers when Gruden and Cowher inevitably turn him down? That would seem to be his style, and it would put him in place where they already have the 3-4 established.
Yikes…I would hate to see him go there. I don’t think Jones would go after him, he’s going to want to make a splash with a splashy name…Capers is not a splashy name.
But splashy names will not want to go there
Because they know Jerry Jones will always be trying to control things. No doubt, he would love to have someone like Cowher come there. But Cowher isn’t crazy enough to want to deal with Jones.
Coaches want to run their team without a crazy billionaire trying to make all the decisions. Coaches like Cowher can turn down jobs like that in order to find a better opportunity.
by Packers3485 on Nov 18, 2010 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
I do worry about it but my hope is that his age and past history as a HC will keep him from those opportunities. Losing him would be about as devastating to our D as losing Matthews for the season! There are plenty of good young coordinators that should get their first looks before he gets much of a chance though. At least that is my hope!!
Keeping Capers
You know I was thinking today about teams the disappoint and the measures taken to fix the team. This naturally got me thinking about the offseason between 08 and 09. I think we were all itching for TT to make the big splashing FA move…which didn’t come.
Instead we got a whole new defensive staff, new defensive format, and some splashy draft day action with BJ Raji and Clay Matthews. I didn’t know what to think at the time, but overall I think I’m fine with the choices we made.
Yeah, I really hope Capers doesn’t leave. It would be great if he settles in and becomes out version of Dick Le Beau. I might be overly optimistic about this, but a guy can dream can’t he?
by PackApologist on Nov 17, 2010 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I suppose the coaching changes were an underrated move. He spent some money to bring in a big name coach to change over the D knowing that Capers is known for managing quick transitions. I have to hand it to TT there…Capers was a great decision though I dont’ know if he was his first option though. I know he wasn’t mine but I guess that is why I am not the GM.
curious
Why everyone seems to think Thompson had any say in who McCarthy hired to be his DC?! I don’t think that was a decision that Thompson was very involved in at all… McCarthy is the HC, he should be able to hire (and fire) the assistants as he sees fit. I’m sure Thompson had to approve of it in a way, but it was McCarthys decision, IMO!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
Darren Perry
He was on a fast track to become a HC when he got lost in the black hole that was Oakland for a year or two! Doesn’t have DC experience, but does have alot in Capers D as a player and coach! That would be the most likely candidate, along w/ Trgo, IMO. Possibly Moss, but he hasn’t been in Capers D very long either.
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
Just what I was thinking!
Hire from within on this one.
Keep the continuity with this system!!!
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
eh...
if I had a team that I owned, I’d be more inclined to take a risk on a coach with potential rather than a retread. Dom has been there and done that – but never had a ton of success with it as Puddleglumed points out (is it pronounced GLUMed or GLOOMed?). He’s proven he’s not really head coaching material. That doesn’t mean that some idiot owner won’t roll the dice.
Anyone know how much longer Dom has on his contract? We can always refuse to allow him to interview – like we did with Philbin last year in Chicago.
Dom’s done a TERRIFIC job this year in my opinion and I shudder to think where we’d be without him.
But as he also pointed out
His lack of success also comes with the caveat of being with two expansion teams. So that, combined with the excellent job he has done, definitely could be enough to make an owner think that he deserves another chance.
Not that I disagree with you. Some people are just meant to be coordinators. Norv Turner, Cam Cameron, Wade Phillips, and so many others, are excellent when they are just given the offense/defense to run, instead of the whole team. But give them the head coaching spot, and they just look incompetent.

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