Five Downs with the Daily Norseman (again)
by texwestern on Nov 18, 2010 6:00 PM CST
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PrintOnce again, I sat down with Ted Glover of the Daily Norseman to swap insights on the NFC North rivalry that is renewed again this Sunday. Since the last meeting between the Packers and Vikings, Ted has added a new duty to his job description: grief counselor. Be warned, Vikings fans have apparently unloaded plenty of grief on poor Ted, and he seems to be turning into more of a R. Lee Ermey-esque shrink.
For the record, I tried not to kick him when his team is down...I really did. But at some point, there's nothing more to talk about but the team's struggles and locker-room chaos.
APC: Four weeks ago, it seemed like there was still optimism in the Vikings’ fan base. The Randy Moss circus had only recently arrived in the Twin Cities (again), and the Vikes were coming off a close win against the Cowboys. Now, the team is 3-6, and Moss is already gone. What is the general feeling among Minnesota fans, and is anyone holding out any real hope for the rest of this season?
DN: Well, every week I do a 'Stock Market Report' story for DN which reflects my mood based on the outcome of the game, and it discusses buys, sells, junk bonds, blue chip stocks, etc regarding the game. I also embed a music video that reflects my mood going forward. After the Bears game, I chose Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, a haunting tune by Gordon Lightfoot which chronicles the demise of a Great Lakes cargo ship. The good news is that it was the pride of the Great Lakes fleet. The bad news is that it was lost in a storm without a trace, killing all 29 crewmembers. Then, I drove to the airport, called a TSA agent a fascist gorilla, set my nuts on fire, and dared him to touch my junk. So, that's my feeling towards 2010 nine weeks into it. Oh, and a wounded baby seal surrounded by Killer Whales fresh out of Fat Camp has more hope of not being turned into killer whale poop than Viking fans do of the Purple and Gold making the playoffs. Just bash my nuts in with a baseball bat. I hate this season.
APC: What’s the latest on Sidney Rice? Is he expected to return this year, or would the Vikings’ recent struggles make them more likely to place him on Injured Reserve?
DN: Well, the team gave him clearance to play, but he felt he wasn't ready to go. It's his call on whether or not to play, as I understand it. Apparently, it takes a lot longer to recover from a hysterectomy than the trainers thought. I kid, I kid (especially about getting my nuts based in with a baseball bat--that would freakin' hurt). In all seriousness, I don't know. The players are saying all the right things, and if they really mean it then he's needed. Should he play? If he's healthy, hell yes. Say what you want about Favre and whether or not he's hurting the team, he drags his ass out there and competes like an SOB every week. If Rice is actually hurt, then no, obviously not.
APC: The Packers’ defense has been impressive in ten quarters of football since halftime of the first game between these two teams, allowing only 14 points in that span. What are the matchups that you expect the Vikings to target when they have the ball, and how effective do you think they’ll be?
DN: Well, with Randy Moss drawing over the top...wait, nevermind. Tough to say, to be honest. The WR corps is decimated--Sidney Rice is still out, Percy Harvin hurt his ankle again, and Bernard Berrian was mysteriously unable to go against Chicago, and then tweeted after the game he was fine, but went to see a doctor today. By the way, I freaking hate Twitter. I wish Twitter would get thrown into a maximum security prison and shivved and left to die in the shower by AOL. Harvin has really emerged this year, but if Berrian and Rice are still hurt, it might be tough to get him going. Adrian Peterson is always a threat, and if they can get him going early, they might be able to keep Green Bay's defense off balance enough to get a win.
APC: Have there been any Vikings’ players who have impressed you this season with their effort and dedication despite the rather crazy circumstances surrounding the team?
DN: Adrian Peterson, of course. The guy just runs with an intensity and fury that is just fun to watch, regardless of how the team as a whole is doing. Percy Harvin is just a stud. Migraines are a bitch, and he answers the bell every week. Pound for pound, I think he runs harder than anyone in the league, and he's playing on an ankle that is seriously sprained. How he does what he does is amazing. On defense, EJ Henderson has been a stud. After he broke his leg on national TV against the Cardinals last year, I wasn't sure if he'd ever play again--it was as gruesome as anything I've seen since Joe Theismann's injury. But he flies around the field and has been making a ton of plays for the Vikings. If the other 50 guys on this team had half the heart and half of what my coach used to call 'want to', the Vikings would be undefeated. But they don't, and they aren't.
APC: How long will it be until Brad Childress gets canned like a batch of Grandma's marmalade?
DN: Tough to say. Barring a miracle, I think it's safe to say he's gone at the end of the season. I say it's 60-40 he'd gets canned if the Vikes lose to Green Bay as badly as they lost to Chicago. If I knew it was a 100% chance he'd get fired if the VIkings lost, I think I'd don one of those Vince Lombardi air brushed onto a Pope hat get ups, buy me a sixer of Blatz, and memorize that Go Pack Go song for a day. And I hate your team. Chilly makes me miss Mike Tice. The 2010 NFL season sucks.
Well. there you have it. If we could guarantee Ted that Childress would get fired, he'd turn into Saint Vince on Sunday. Although if it were me, I'd say skip the Blatz and go with Schlitz. Their new (old) recipe is great. GO PACK GO!
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“Then, I drove to the airport, called a TSA agent a fascist gorilla, set my nuts on fire, and dared him to touch my junk. So, that’s my feeling towards 2010 nine weeks into it. Oh, and a wounded baby seal surrounded by Killer Whales fresh out of Fat Camp has more hope of not being turned into killer whale poop than Viking fans do of the Purple and Gold making the playoffs. Just bash my nuts in with a baseball bat. I hate this season.”
This might be the greatest collection of words ever assembled on this site.
I had to admit, that was...
a unique collection of words and phrasing…
Oh what the hell. It made me laugh. And laugh.
Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 18, 2010 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
After reading that opening paragraph
Ted Glover owes me a pair of pants, as mine are soaked with urine from laughter.
Are you saying Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
by houseofcards on Nov 18, 2010 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
From the other side of the interview
Sigh…I hate the 2010 season. I almost want to blind myself with a stick so I don’t have to watch the last half of the season, but then I could never watch German niche porn again. So I endure, for you, the fine people of DN.
Source
I think Ted just admitted that he likes scheiße videos.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I admitted nothing
Nothing at all. Nothing to see here. Move along…
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nope..just a typo..
mr glover clearly meant german niche born-again movies, such as this classic
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the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
by BranFavrenton on Nov 19, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
Let me help you with the Packers song
The Lyrics are:
Go
Pack
Go
(repeat as necessary).
They were originally designed to be simple so Bears fans could get the gist of it. But unfortunately half their fan base still thinks we’re asking people to leave, pack their belongs, and go.
But seriously, thanks for the comments. Good stuff. But I don’t think you should give up on the Vikings just yet. The NFC could send a couple 9-7 (or worse) teams to the playoffs this year, and your schedule isn’t as tough as some of the other contenders’ schedules.
"We've got Hank Baskett"
by I voted for Kodos on Nov 19, 2010 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
*Should be
Need help with the Packers song?
The Lyrics are:
Go
Pack
Go
(repeat as necessary).
They were originally designed to be simple so Bears fans could get the gist of it. But unfortunately half their fan base still thinks we’re asking people to “leave – pack their belongings, and go.”
But seriously, thanks for the comments. Good stuff. But I don’t think you should give up on the Vikings just yet. The NFC could send a couple 9-7 (or worse) teams to the playoffs this year, and your schedule isn’t as tough as some of the other contenders’ schedules.
"We've got Hank Baskett"
by I voted for Kodos on Nov 19, 2010 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
AS usual
The players are telling the coach what to do… Rice is in complete control of whether he plays, not the teams Dr’s or the coach!!! Rice is in a contract year… If he plays this year, which I think is unlikely, what does that do for his next contract? It can only hurt… Coming off a tremedous 09 campaign he is best served to ride that season to a new contract, than to go out and try to help re-capture any semblance of a decent season! Even if he plays well, which is far from a given, considering the state of affairs, he isn’t going to do better than 09. Rice is likely going to sit this one out to get the contract!!! Its his best play…
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
eh…I don’t know. He’s coming off one good year which came after REALLY REALLY bad years. Teams are going to want to see how does after this injury and if he shows just a puss who can’t get on the field, its going to keep him from getting top dollar. How do people know he’s not just another Javon Walker? He’s starting to look more and more like it right now!!
He did.
And, you would think that teams (owners and GMs) would learn from that.
But, they never do. lol.
So, you’re probably right,
Trevor may be, too, but,…
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
What? Are we gonna burn it?
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
I am shocked - totally shocked
that Chris Gates didn’t participate as well.
He'd have banned people for THINKING about commenting on that thread if he had...
Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 18, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
It's amazing how
much difference a year can make. The two game between these teams last year were hyped beyond belief, and this year there isn’t any buzz at all.
I still think it’ll be a good game on Sunday. The Vikings are desperate; a loss here ends the season.
I pretty much agree
with everything Ted said… well everything regarding the Vikings. Some of the other stuff, not so much. Well except the seal, I think he fairs pretty well against a bunch of malnourished whales.
I do disagree with his stance on Percy. While I do admire how he puts up with his migraines (I can take pain, but I’m a little betch when it comes to headaches) so I can appreciate him sticking it out. But if his ankle was hurt so bad that he couldn’t play and then Childress yells at him and he can magically play on it again at a fairly fast pace… I can’t appreciate that. I don’t think he’s a “stud” he’ll never be more than an explosive #2 receiver, more like a #3. He’s made a couple catches that have genuinely surprised me and made me think that he could be actually worth the first round pick. I’ve said since the draft and still believe that he’s nothing more than a glorified KR/head case (not just talking about the migraines) and they shouldn’t have taken him.
But it’s attitudes like that, that I believe Sidney is sitting out. I think he’s healthy (I obviously have no idea if that’s true) but team doctors say he is and he’s been practicing so I have no reason to not believe he’s healthy. Since they took him I’ve thought he was a good player, good pick, with a good attitude. But even high character guys can become selfish when you play with a bunch a drama queens and headcases. Pat Williams is a jack@ss even if he is irrelevant now, he’s still in the locker room. I’m impressed with Favre sticking it out this year (even more impressed how mature he’s been about Childress) but he’s still the same drama queen. I’ve said my thoughts on Percy, they had Randy, don’t get me started on my Jared Allen. Hell, they even found the most annoying guy to call their radio games. I think if you have a bunch of high character guys (which I believe the Packers do, nice job TT) the team is willing to sacrifice. The Vikings lack a little bit in that category and I think it’s gotten to Sidney and he’s definitely mailing it in for selfish reasons. They could have won last week/this week if he’s on the field and save their season. Since he’s not on the field they’re losing/hopefully gonna lose and he has a reason to pack it in for more money. It’s a web Childress wove and as sorry as I feel for the guy for having to put up with this, he did it to himself.
To be fair to Rice
But it’s attitudes like that, that I believe Sidney is sitting out. I think he’s healthy (I obviously have no idea if that’s true) but team doctors say he is and he’s been practicing so I have no reason to not believe he’s healthy
There’s a difference between being cleared by doctors to play, running routes in practices, etc . . . and actually being as healthy as you’d want to be. For someone coming off of surgery, and facing free agency after the year, I can definitely understand wanting to make sure you’re feeling how you want to feel out there.
I think he (and other athletes who hold out on surgery) get WAY too much grief. From what I remember, I believe he saw three doctors, two of whom recommended surgery as the best option, and all of them saying that rest and rehab was a perfectly viable option. Granted, I’m guessing most of us don’t rely on our running and jumping skills to make a living, but if three doctors tell us that the injury will be healed without having to have hip surgery, I think most of us would probably do all we could to avoid going under the knife.
"I'm a special case"
I tend to believe the highly-specialized guys that have CVs as long as my arm. Here’s my thought process: I go to a team-recommended ortho, and he says, “Clutch16, you’ve got two options here – I can do surgery and I guarantee you’ll be back in game shape in at most 18 months with proper rehab or we can wait, do nothing, and it’s got a good chance of clearing up on its own.” I go get a second opinion from my normal GP, and he says, “Clutch16, it looks like it has a really good chance of healing itself with cold and immobilization. I’m not an ortho, though, so here’s the number of a really good one.” So I go to the really good one, and he says, “Hmm – two ways to go about this. If you wait, it might clear up on its own. We’ll know in 4 months if it does. Or we can do surgery, and you’ll probably miss an entire year getting back to full speed.”
What I, as a person who needs that limb to make my living, am hearing is “Surgery is going to take me out for at least a year, but if I rest for four months, I’m playing on Week 1!” That’s not what was said by any of the above practitioners, though. What the two specialists said was. “Get the surgery and you’ll be right as a trivet in 12-18 months, tops.” But what every doc said (and in most Americans’ minds, one doctor is as good as another) was, “It might clear up on its own”. So 2 out of 3 recommended surgery OR rest, and 3 out of 3 recommended rest. So go with rest, right?
The reason that guys get so much grief about waiting to see if it gets better on its own is because the odds of it doing so are never disclosed. Other doctors exist, and if they were given the X-Rays, CT scans, or MRIs, they could tell you that 9 times out of 10, surgery guarantees full recovery, 6 times out of 10, you’re good with rest (but if that doesn’t work, you have to go under the knife, with the same recovery time). And 10% of the time? Well, you’re never gonna play again.
Humans have natural confirmation bias, especially when we’re being told that we’re invincible supermen. “It could heal on its own? Let’s do that.” But when it comes to science (and medicine is a science), you gotta play the odds. In the case presented above, the patient’s absolute best chance at full recovery lies in surgery, as recommended by the people who can most correctly predict the odds. What the patient (and you, the eager sports news consumer) hears is “All doctors agreed that it may get better without surgery” and that leaves out every single scientific fact that the experts presented. This means the patient, his agent, the sportscaster, his editor, and you all lose at science, and your keeper fantasy stud is on IR for another year. Congratulations to all of you!
And they say that math is a dying art in America! Pshaw!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Nov 19, 2010 2:11 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
+1
Good explanation, Clutch.
"We've got Hank Baskett"
by I voted for Kodos on Nov 19, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
oh no
I agree on the waiting it out to have surgery, if you don’t have to have it, why would you? But it just seems to me that he’s kind of looking to get paid, which is fine they wouldn’t take care of you if he couldn’t play anymore (not everyone can get the Raiders to pay you like Javon Walker), and not caring about being a part of the team. Which to me, is kind of a bush league thing to do, but I can at least understand the motives. I was just saying that if he was in a locker room that isn’t the Vikings, like GB, NE or something he would have been playing last week
Correct me if I’m wrong cause I could easily just be combining him and Bigby into one, but didn’t he also kind of hide the injury initially and make things worse, like Bigby did? If that was the case, I don’t respect his decision to sit out at all
Thanks Ted!!
For another good, honest, post on the Vikings……..Your the only reason I still go over to the DN. It make my life a lot easier when you come here.
by greenbay packers backer on Nov 18, 2010 11:19 PM CST reply actions
I think Sid plays this Sunday and has a good if not great game.
I know the Pack are a tough team, but I think we get the W in the Dumpty Dome.
Boy, was I wrong.
Good game, Pack, you dominated in every phase of the game and proved to be the best team. Good luck on the rest of your season. Maybe we’ll get a new coach and starting QB out the deal.
“The WR corps is decimated—Sidney Rice is still out, Percy Harvin hurt his ankle again, and Bernard Berrian was mysteriously unable to go against Chicago…”
But they’ve got Hank Baskett.
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by cmadler on Nov 19, 2010 10:34 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
If the Packers are smart
They’ll stick Williams on Baskett at the line, have a safety or two over top, and keep a linebacker shaded towards him to cover the slant, cause he WILL take that slant to the house 9 times out of 10.
The key to shutting down the Vikings O is, and always has been, containing Hank Baskett. As they say, “you can’t stop Hank Baskett, you can only hope to contain him.”
"We've got Hank Baskett"
by I voted for Kodos on Nov 19, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I am excited to hear the Packers “Please Keep Childress” chants drowning out the “fire Childress” chants we’ve been hearing lately.
whats the word?
You live in Minn… Are vike fans largely selling their tix? Are the Packers gonna have a large contingent of fans?
Would be great to know the crowd could be as much Packer fans!!! I know I would be more confident w/ a Packer victory… Alot of the vikes home field advantage is the damn dome and crowd noise the pump in!!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
From what I've heard
is that there are “thousands” of tickets still available. Keep in mind the Vikings didn’t sell out a playoff game just two years ago. This is a “rabid fan base” only in the sense that they might have rabies (Just kidding, guys). I think the Metrodome and prices are the two biggest factors in this. The Metrodome is just not a nice place; it’s not a great experience, and it smells. And ticket prices have kept many out in a down economy as well. I think the Vikings fans often prefer to gather in bars and get better beer at better prices and get to hang out with a large group of friends. Many bars in the city do great business on Vikings game days around here.
"We've got Hank Baskett"
by I voted for Kodos on Nov 19, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
I would rather go to a bar or have friends over than go to any stadium. I’ve been to Lambeau (and the dome) at least a dozen times but honestly I usually enjoy being at home with my friends more. Its cheaper and just as much fun.
Sports bars
I go to sports bars just about every week, w/ friends or not… Even if I’m alone I usually find a couple Packer fans or other fans to have some conversations w/ and just enjoy the Sun games.
I try to go to at least a game a year, whether GB or AZ… Went to all 3 GB games in AZ last year and the Dallas game at Lambeau the year before. Sometimes going to a game is just that much more fun… Theres just that extra excitement and the whole game day experience. But for the most part sports bars are alot of fun!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
Is it still really easy to get tix to Cards games or with their recent success are they a lot more popular?
These days, I usually just stay home and watch the games. For the Viking Packer games I usually invite friends over. Its not as easy now being married and having two young kids to just go out and hit the sports bar. I convinced DTV to give me sunday ticket this year (basically for free) so I haven’t missed a game yet!!
Still pretty easy to get Cards tix if you want them.
Might have to pay a little over face value, but not hard to get at all…
With a couple kids I don’t blame you for not going to sports bars either. Better to watch at home! How did you get DTV to give you sunday ticket? I might be switching to DTV soon…
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
"Thousands"?
Is there any chance this broadcast is blacked out in Vikings country? I don’t want to drive 4 hours to see this game in person, but if my only other choice is a dodgy Internet stream that’s behind real-time by 3+ minutes, I might do just that.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
If I remember correctly
The Vikes tend to buy up remaining tickets to avoid blackouts.
"We've got Hank Baskett"
by I voted for Kodos on Nov 19, 2010 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
Not a chance
I haven’t heard a word about tickets being available. I don’t think he meant tickets from the team, I think he meant out on the resale market. The entire season was sold out a LONG time ago. Packer games against the Vikes are ALWAYS sold out and the market for resales is REALLY expensive.
Thanks for the clarification
It allowed me to get completely smashed last night just to remove any possibility of driving to the Twin Cities this morning. Operation To Hell With It was a complete success – I got hammered, I won $40 at blackjack (and only shelled out $36 for drinks), and woke up far too late to even consider making the opening kickoff. Hooray!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yes
Vikings season is sold out, but thousands of people looking to sell = buyers’ market.
"We've got Hank Baskett"
by I voted for Kodos on Nov 21, 2010 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
les steckel?
if you were around in the old days, would you rather have chilly or les steckel coaching?
I lived in minnesota in the steckel era – did he really knock himself out cold at half time by punching himself in the jaw to show his team he was tough?
I thought bud grant was a great coach, lombari-esque – high praise from a packer fan.
I for one support Brad Childress for Czar status in Minny
Chilly makes me miss Mike Tice
Oof.
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell Maurer on Nov 19, 2010 3:54 PM CST reply actions
To be fair
Tice is doing an awesome job in Chicago. He’s such a good coach that RBs and TEs want to go in and block just so they get more reps with him.
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