Key Plays: Packers at Jets
by Brandon on Nov 2, 2010 2:01 PM CDT
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There were a couple key offensive and special teams plays that led to points for the Green Bay Packers. Such as the thwarted fake punt attempt in the 1st quarter, and the 30 yard pass to WR Greg Jennings on the next play. Their was also the 14 yard pass to WR Jordy Nelson in the 4th quarter that set up the second field goal. But this was a defensive game, and the biggest plays were the ones that ended any chances the Jets had to score. The Packers won the battle for field position, and it forced the struggling Jets offense to consistently move down the entire length of the field. Something they obviously could not do.
From the play-by-play at NFL.com.
Second Quarter
(15:00) Direct snap to 16-B.Smith. 16-B.Smith left end to GB 29 for 4 yards (58-F.Zombo). FUMBLES (58-F.Zombo), RECOVERED by GB-38-T.Williams at GB 29. 38-T.Williams to GB 34 for 5 yards (68-M.Slauson). New York Jets challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout #1 at 14:51.)
(4:55) 6-M.Sanchez pass short right intended for 89-J.Cotchery INTERCEPTED by 38-T.Williams at GB 40. 38-T.Williams to GB 40 for no gain (89-J.Cotchery). New York Jets challenged the runner was down by contact ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout #3 at 04:48.)
Two plays in Packer territory that ended promising drives. There were no guarantees the Jets were going to score on either drive, and neither turnover led to points for the Packers. But after a punt and a missed K Mason Crosby field goal, both turnovers pushed the Jets offense back onto their side of the field. In a low scoring game, these field position battles were the difference.
Fourth Quarter:
(10:42) 6-M.Sanchez pass short left intended for 81-D.Keller INTERCEPTED by 21-C.Woodson at GB 43. 21-C.Woodson to GB 43 for no gain (81-D.Keller).
Once again, the Jets had put together a drive (started from their own 18 yard line) that had gotten into Packer territory. And then CB Charles Woodson blew it up. This actually led to the second field goal, but it too was another field position battle won as the Jets got the ball back after the kickoff on their own 19 yard line.
(4:18) (Shotgun) 6-M.Sanchez pass incomplete deep left to 89-J.Cotchery (26-C.Peprah).
This was actually the third in a series of three incompletions to WR Jerricho Cotchery (thanks in large part to a huge hit by S Charlie Peprah). It was the fourth time that the Jets turned the ball over in Packer territory. It only took them 28 seconds to get the ball back, but by then the Jets were pushed back 40 yards and were left with no timeouts.
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Once again...
Zombo is involved in a play that changed the course of the game! Don’t know how, but for a guy that has NO experience as an OLB he makes a game changing play that Brad Jones doesn’t! Say what you want, but the guy just seems to be involved in plays when and where it matters! Jones is just a guy on the field…
Peprah is playing really well, and along w/ Bishop are proving the Packers depth on the roster is among the best in the NFL…
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I really don't want to get into it again...
but when was the previous time Zombo made a play that changed the course of a game?
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plays
Zombo 2 sacks and a forced fumble!!! Jones 0 sacks and no turnover plays of any kind!
You can try to say that he force the INT Favre threw, but he still might have thrown it w/o Jones on his legs!
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Just cause a guy makes a few “game changing” plays though doesn’t mean he isn’t making other mistakes or playing poor in coverage. There is a reason the coaches left Jones ahead of him on the charts…aren’t we supposed to trust that the coaches know more than us?
That said, with the current situation, I like what I see from Zombo and I hope he can keep progressing. He’s showing some nice talent
Depth chart
Of course Jones was ahead on the depth chart! He has played LB his entire football like and Zombo has played DL his career until this year! Plus Jones is more assignment sure. Never said Jones shouldn’t have been the starter!
But give Zombo this year of experience and given what seems to be some abiltiy to make game changing plays he stands a very good chance of unseating Jones next year! If Zombo continues to develop, I might even back off my feelings about drafting an OLB high in the next draft… He has ALOT to learn, but can you honestly say that he isn’t more of a playmaker than Jones?!!!
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Oh I don’t doubt Zombo takes the job next year (if no one else is brought in)…especially with all the experience he’s getting on the job.
He definitely is a more exciting player, I really like him…I just worry that his lack of experience will cost us some plays. He did well last game though so maybe it won’t!
Which of those other plays changed the course of a game?
That really doesn’t answer my question.
Also, I don’t think there’s any way Favre throws that interception if Jones isn’t there, but that’s obviously speculation.
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You don't think the forced fumble didn't?
ANY turnover changes the game!!! They are the reason DC’s around the league would rather have a D that creates turnovers, over one that doen’t allow much yardage!
That forced fumble stopped a Jets drive into Packer territory! It completely changed the field position battle, and inspired the D to keep up the intensity! That intensity is much higher off a turnover than it is off a 3 and out series!
Regarding the INT Favre threw… we can both speculate, but lets face facts, its not like Favre needs pressure to throw an INT… He can throw one of those at ANY time w/ no reason whatsoever. You and I both know that more than any other NFL fans anywhere!
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You said "Once again Zombo is involved in a play that changed the course of the game"
That implies that he had previous plays that changed games. I don’t recall any. Of course the forced fumble changed the course of the game. I’m not arguing that.
In the same vein, Jones’ play on Favre changed the course of the game too. Up to that point Favre hadn’t made any real mistakes, but immediately after that point he began playing poorly. The way Favre had been playing up to that point, he was in sync with his receivers, and I highly doubt he throws that poor a ball without pressure on him.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Since when does Favre need pressure to throw an idiotic INT?!
He’s been throwing those his entrie career and had already had 7 in 5 games to date… He may or may not have thrown the INT w/o Jones on his legs… We both know Favre doesn’t alway need pressure to throw idiotic INT’s!
If your counting sacks or pressure then you have to count Zombo’s sacks too… Not to mention that he got pressures on Sanchez this past week. Heres a little more love for Zombo!
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/106510183.html
Quit trying to start an agrument…
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Look, I'm happy that he played well this weekend
I’m not trying to discount what he did this past week. But you’re making the case that Zombo is a playmaker based on very little evidence.
All I’m going to say about the Favre interception is up to that point he had played ~2.5 games against the Packers without throwing an interception, and he was pretty much having his way with us in that game. Does he need pressure to throw a bad INT? No, obviously not. But did that seem like a situation where he would be likely to throw way behind a receiver without pressure? I don’t think so.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Last years Favre is NOT this years Favre!
Last year is out of date… Expired… This year is all that matters!
May be limited evidence, but its still more evidence than Jones!
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I'd say the same amount of evidence
Both have one game-changing play this year. And I know you’ll probably respond with the old stand-by “But it seems like Zombo is always around a play when it’s over1!!!!!!!!1,” to which my response is this: being around a play when it’s over only shows that you didn’t make the play. But I’m done banging my head against that wall. Like you, I hope that Zombo continues to play well like he did last week, and turns into another one of TT’s scrap pile gems.
I lied about being done with Favre. Let me ask you this: Around halftime of that game, did Favre’s play feel any different than when he played us last year? I’d be lying if I said that I didn’t have a feeling in the pit of my stomach that somehow, someway, Favre was going to rip Packers’ fans’ hearts out in that game, because we were getting minimal pressure on him, and he seemed to be playing very methodically against us.
Now that’s obviously subjective, but to me there was very little up to that point in the game that suggested a meltdown was coming.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
No my response is...
Being INVOLVED in the play when its decided! Not being around it… Jones as a rookie (who played LB his entire career) had 4 sacks in 9 games. No turnover plays whatsoever!
Zombo in 3+ games this season… 2 sacks in about 3 full games and a forced fumble! This as a OLB w/ NO Experience playing LB in his career prior to this year!
Do the math… Favors Zombo by ALOT! Wanna revisit this at the end of the year?!
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But Doesn't Zombo have more experience
rushing the passer? He played end in college while Jones played strongside linebacker in a 4-3.
by I voted for Kodos on Nov 4, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
3 point stance vs standing...
A distinction that Kampman can tell you is MUCH different… Just another learning experience that Zombo is overcoming!
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True but he has a point too…Jones role wasn’t all about blitzing in college.
I think the point here is that both sides have valid points. how about if it just gets dropped.
Brad Jones...
he was the one who put pressure on Favre for the pick to Hawk. Not just another guy. Not great, but shows promise for a 2nd year guy who has been hurt alot.
Can't say
That Jones even forced the INT by Favre, as we all know that Favre could just as easily have thrown that pass w/ NOBODY on his legs. Jones helped, but Zombo does!
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The guy was wide open
Hawk was well behind him, if Favre has time that’s an easy pitch-and-catch. I really doubt he throws that far behind his receiver if he has the time.
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Zombo vs Jones
I like Zombo, he should only getting better as he gains experience, but to call Brad Jones just a guy on the field is a little harsh. Remember, he was a big reason for our defenses success last year after Kampman went down. In like 5 or 6 games he had 30 plus tackles n 4 sacks which is pretty good n he wasn’t a liability in coverage like Kampman was. I just think he was injured this whole season n was never able to play to his full potential. I guess we’ll just have to wait till next season to know for sure though.
Don't play down to them...
The Packers(and all teams in the NFL) seem to have the tendency to play down to the level of a team that is clearly inferior to them. I’m talking about the Cowboys, I don’t follow them, but do know that they have problems. So this is my plea to the Packers, GRIND THEM INTO THE TUNDRA!! Clay, continue to be the terror of the backfield. AJ stuff the run, dude, that is your forte, if you get a pick, like you did 2 weeks ago, and almost did this past week, awesome. Mr. Evans, welcome to the Packers, hopefully we’ll have a shirt that fits for you this week. BJ and Ryan, you the man! Charles, Will, Nick, and Charlie, Rock ’em hard! Bryan and the Boys, you guys are solid, awesome performance. Greg, James, Donald, and Jordy, FLY!! Brandon and John, find that hole and pound that rock. Last but not least, Aaron, wind it up and let it go, be the leader of my team and make all of these talking heads shut the hell up about every other team and make them talk about the team that matters. The Terrors of the Tundra, the Titletown Titans, the North Division Dangers…THE GREEN BAY PACKERS!!! Oh, and Mason, kick that damn ball flat!
by biggun33 on Nov 2, 2010 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
On the bright side
The only truly subpar team we’ve played this year, the Bills, we didn’t entirely play down to. That gives me a little hope.
cowboys
Do they have problems? Yes, they sure do… But they are still very talented!!! Packers still need a W to go into the bye with momentum and to set them up for the stretch run and playoffs! Packers cannot take this game lightly!!!
My guess is McCarthy dangles extra days off during the bye if they win… Anything to keep them motivated! This has the making of a trap kinda game…
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That hit that Peprah laid on Cotchery was brutal
If I were Cotchery, I’d have been giving Sanchez a lot of dirty looks for throwing that hospital ball out there. Credit Peprah for his awesome timing, but that floater in the middle of the field was begging for a shot like that.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I disagree on this one. Peprah made a nice hit, sure, but Cotchery should’ve hung onto that ball. Same with several other drops by the Jets. Our last two wins (and don’t get me wrong, I’ll definitely take ‘em), I think a good passing attack by the opposition changes the outcome. I think we’re still the same team that got shredded by the Steelers and Cardinals last year.
…although hopefully that’ll change if and when Al “Don’t Call it a Comeback” Harris comes off the PUP list.
by Curly Lambeau on Nov 2, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought so too but it seems like we might finally be turning it around. I think Peprah is a better cover guy then Bigby was last season, and Burnett was this season. Even Bishop has looked better in coverage then Barnett and Chillar. Granted, it’s only been a few games now but it’s still exciting to see these guys come in and play so well.
by packallday555 on Nov 2, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Battle for playing time?
When guys are ready to come back from injuries, are there any positions that are likely to stay with the player that filled in? I can see the coaching staff giving a serious look at keeping Peprah over Bigby, as well as Tramon over Harris. I don’t see how Bulaga keeps his starting spot over Clifton. I think Jones will get the nod over Zombo, but it’s nice to know we have a safety valve.
I have been really impressed with guys stepping up and it should be interesting to see what happens to our team once we get some players back.
No way in hell they give Harris Tramon's spot
That would be ridiculous.
I’m not sure what you mean by the Bulaga/Clifton and Jones/Zombo comparisons. Bulaga took Tauscher’s spot, and Jones is on IR, unless you’re talking about next year and in that case I think it’s too early to speculate.
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Couple things
First, Peprah should keep the job right now… Bigby didn’t win the job in training camp, so IMO, Peprah stays on the field until Bigby wins the job!
Tramon is playing like a Pro Bowler and has outplayed Harris even when he was healthy last year. And w/ the knee injury Harris suffered, you can’t take the job for Tramon!!! He’s playing as good or better than Harris of a couple years ago!
Bulaga is starting for Tuascher! And he too is playing better than Tausch was early this season! For now, Bulaga has the RT job locked down, IMO…
Jones is on IR and done for the year, so there is no competition to speak of… Next training camp that will be an interesting positional battle! Same for the ILB jobs! Right now, I would sign Hawk and Bishop to contract extensions and have them starting over Barnett next year! Barnett is older, more injury prone and more expensive! Hawk and Bishop need to get contract extensions though and Barnett is already under contract next year!
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Agree on Buluga. I know some may disagree but I think he’s looked better than Tauscher did (who looked terrible to me). Since the Miami game he’s really come around in protection. Doing well against Edwards and Pace/Ellis is pretty impressive. And with Clifton seemingly playing his best football this season, our protection has been better. Now the offense just needs to start clicking!
by packallday555 on Nov 2, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you Stroh
I’m interested to see how the ILB position shapes up next year. I only see the Packers keeping Hawk if they can restructure his contract somehow, because I don’t think he’s worth 10M.
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Have to re-sign Hawk.
He is scheduled to make 10M, thats not worth it… So you would have to re-sign him to an extension for say 5 or 6M per season. Bishop you should be able to get for 3M or so… Barnett is scheduled to make 7M next year I think…
If you can re-sign both then cut or try to trade Barnett… Use Chillar in a backup role and in nickel and draft an ILB in the mid rounds for depth and development. That would be my plan!
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Don’t see anyone trading for Barnett. Players his age with past injuries have very little value. Maybe we could get some other player in a similar predicament but I doubt we’d get a draft pick.
Is there any talk of moving Jones to ILB? He seems like a better fit there – not a playmaker, but assignment sure; wouldn’t have to take on as many blockers in the middle; size better suited in ILB in the 3-4; not much of a pass rusher but okay in coverage; and enough speed to run with most TEs (I believe he ran a 4.49 at his Pro Day).
by I voted for Kodos on Nov 3, 2010 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree
Barnett would be hard to trade… Might get a late rd pick at best… I could kinda see Jones playing inside… Actually he and Chillar would be good nickel coverage LB, but that would leave depth outside lacking…
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Yeah see now that would be tough to take. He’s worth more in Green and Gold than he is in trade so I have a hard time seeing TT moving him.
Comes down to who do you want?
The older, more injury prone Barnett or the younger, more dependable Hawk? Personally, at this point, I would go w/ Hawk. THats assuming you can sign him for roughly what Barnett is getting. Clearly someone is going to be leaving… IMO, it comes down to Barnett or Hawk… I would take Hawk at similar numbers to Barnett at this point. Barnetts injuries and age seem to be catching up to him… Coupled w/ Bishops play if it continues at this level. Again assuming you can re-sign Hawk!
Thats my opinion!
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I wouldn’t take Hawk. He’s looked good these past few games but that’s about in the past year or so. Now, if he can string together more than just a couple good games I’d probably change my mind but I kind of doubt he will. This has been the story with Hawk his entire career really. Looks good for a game or two, and then goes back too over thinking/hesitating and being nothing more then average. Just my opinion though.
Barnett will be what, 30 years old next season? That is old but I think he’ll still have 3 or 4 good seasons left in him. Being hurt these past few years might actually have been a good thing for him, in that he’s had a pretty decent amount of rest.
by packallday555 on Nov 3, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Hawk does have to continue this level of play...
But people BLackmon injury prone for missing 2 of 3 years… Now Barnett has done that too, but he’s not? Just sayin…
Injuries don’t make you younger, they take almost as much out of you, w/ all the rehab and recovery involved, that taxes the body too… If its just one injury maybe. But he’s now had multiple injuries for the past few years.
I’ll go w/ Hawk…
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It’s a fair point. I’d say, no he’s not but that’s just me. An ACL tear can happen to anybody, as can a freak wrist injury. But like you said, he’s been out 2 of the past 3 years, which is hard to argue against.
I suppose. I say he might have an extra year or two in him because this is a wrist injury as opposed to a leg injury, or anywhere else on the body really.
by packallday555 on Nov 3, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I think there's a difference there between Blackmon and Barnett
Blackmon had one healthy year out of four. Barnett had 6 healthy years out of 8. That’s why Blackmon is labeled as injury prone and Barnett isn’t.
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But now Barnett has 2 season ending injuries in 3 years at a much older age!
At least in football years! Once it starts to become a problem, it usually continues in that trend! If Barnett was only 25 I wouldn’t be worried but at 30? his body might be getting fragile…
And recovery becomes even more difficult… We’ll see, but I wouldn’t want to bet millions on him being the same ever again… Then your throwing good money after bad!
Better to go w/ the younger alternatives, IMO.
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I'm worried about the 1-6 Cowboys
Yes, their record sucks, they have obvious chemistry problems, their star QB is out for the season etc. etc.
But I swear to god they lose every game because of a few interceptions on balls that should’ve been caught by their receivers but are tipped to the D instead.
While a fluke this consistent can be called a pattern, I’m not going to call it a reliable pattern, and that lack of reliability makes me worried that they’ll make some plays they’ve missed and get the drop on us.
We need to play our game on offense and defense, and not get caught up in what they’re trying to do to win. The Cowboys are bad, and they are also scary.
Good call
The Cowboys have been seriously embarrassed lately, to the point where it’s got to be hard for them to walk around outside. …or perhaps even in the house. They’ll definitely be primed to go out and play hard.
by Curly Lambeau on Nov 3, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
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