On Waivers: Randy Moss and Shawne Merriman
by Brandon on Nov 2, 2010 3:40 PM CDT
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PrintAccording to Pro Football Talk, WR Randy Moss is officially on waivers and they expect a "boatload" of teams to claim him. Apparently nearly every team is willing to absorb the remainder of his $6.4 million base salary at any given moment. Are the NFL owners really sure they're losing so much money that they need to lock out the players in 2011?
Oh, and Michael Silver reports that Moss is a jerk. Apparently Moss mouthed off at a Friday team meal. One player who witnessed the incident said that "he deserved to be cut after that." Really? It's obvious that a lot of trash is aired after a couple breaks up. If every NFL team released every jerk on their roster, the waiver wire would be pretty full.
We've got competing Fan Posts by StephanL and Packer-fan-atic 77 on the expected release of LB Shawne Merriman. The Charger fans who know him best think that he's done. He reminds me of DE Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila back in 2008, after knee surgery took away his speed off the edge (just a reminder, KGB was still a good situational pass rusher in 2007). It seems unlikely he'll return as the player he was a couple years ago.
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Pass on both...
with a flick of the wrist, a la Ted Thompson.
+1
And it’s a no brainer, in my opinion.
by Curly Lambeau on Nov 2, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, they will probably cost MORE to get after waivers…these deals have no signing bonuses and stuff. I don’t know why someone would assume that one of these guys is going to sign for pennies on the dollar just to get on a team. The teams waiving them are going to have to pay them unless they get a deal so why would they take a contract for nothing? Maybe I am missing something.
Why wouldn't they take a contract for nothing?
They aren’t losing money since their original team has to pick up the rest of their salary, while they can get even more money by signing any contract. Signing another contract only gets them additional $$
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Well, they want to play
And if they clear waivers and their contracts are as much of a steal as you say they are, then it will be obvious that they were overpriced to start with and wouldn’t be commanding that value on the free market.
Well I know for a fact that Moss still wants one more big deal…not sure he’ll get it, but its going to take signing bonuses and such to secure him and then you have to take into account their choice. On waivers, they don’t have a choice.
I don’t know…I guess we’ll see how it plays out. I don’t think either clears though. Too many teams need players and the fact that you can get moss as almost a rental player to ride into the playoffs sounds very appealing to me as a GM.
you are
first, merriman doesn’t keep getting paid by the chargers as he isn’t a vested player with collective bargaining and if no one opts to pick him up at this salary it is inconceivable someone would come back and offer him a price higher than they turned him down at…
moss on the other hand if he clears waivers the vikes have to pay him the value of his present contract and he is free to sign with another team and get paid twice. at w/e the market rate for him is… the pack could sell themselves to him as an option similar to the 07 pats… strong lockeroom and good qb… so maybe he’d sign here for cheap for a year to try to breath some life in his career
Okay so I wasn’t totally off but I wasn’t totally on either.
I dont’ think there is any way Moss makes it through waivers…I just can’t. Merriman, maybe just cause its been years since he’s really been a factor and he was injured. I could see him holding out for some big deal too and sitting on his ass like Thomas from the Pats.
Wouldn't even think about either one
Not a chance, no way. Moss is a cancer and Merriman has an attitude as well. Merriman used to be able to get away with it when his trash talking could be backed up with his play, that is no longer the case.
cosign.
Though I’ll dial back calling Moss a cancer. I just think he overestimated his worth in the NFL. He called New England out and then moped when they didn’t cede him what he felt was his due and proper.
I kept hearing people on ESPN say “they knew what they were getting” about Minnesota, but likewise, Randy knew what he was getting into. All there was for him was to do his job, regardless of what he thought, and he failed miserably. I kind of feel that he was a little miffed at not being the main drama on that team.
I expect he’ll get picked up quickly and I think he’ll have a mild resurgence no matter where he goes. But I don’t think he’s going to be a huge difference maker, no matter where it is.
Well… maybe in Washington. They just need anyone to hold onto a ball.
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
In his defense…I would be a little pissed if I just came over from a team and tried to share my knowledge about how their team works and how they will use players and they ignored me. Its just stupid football. I wouldn’t be surprised if at that point he decided Minny still wasn’t the place for him. He never liked it there anyway.
Totally. Too have him tell the coaches that stuff, and for them not listen and then to possibly get beat by some of it on Sunday would be dumb on their part. But what should everyone expect? It’s been reported before that Childress isn’t very open to other ideas aside from his own. Either way, I’m just happy Moss is gone. Things just got much easier on the defense when looking at our next matchup.
by packallday555 on Nov 2, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
myeh… see, I was thinking about this, and Moss doesn’t really scare me anymore, or at least not as much as some scrub who’s trying his ass off in order to try and stick on a roster somewhere.
In fact, I kinda’ hope the Bears or Lions sign him so that we get to “play” him again. …and I put it in sneer quotes because I wouldn’t call his effort “playing.” "Playing is when you actually, you know, “try.”
by Curly Lambeau on Nov 2, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
idk i think it is indicative of what the pats think of him that they doubled him up all night… even if he doesn’t work most plays he opens up the field for the harvins and the welker’s of the world.
I hear the argument you're making all over the place, but...
I don’t buy it.
Everybody in the stadium (which, I presume, would include the safeties who are rolled over to his side) can tell immediately when Moss is checking out of a play. One glance at him tells you whether he’s any kind of a threat. So, when he gets those high knees going and elbows pumping, you know you’d better turn your hips and get sprinting away from him before he uses that crazy speed of his to eat up your cushion. And, conversely, when he jogs two steps and stops, you know you can turn your attention elsewhere.
Therefore, I think that (popular) argument about how Moss has some mysterious impact on game-planning is bunk. He’s a threat when he’s a threat, and he’s not a threat any other time. …which, in the end, means that he’s a threat for a couple plays a game.
by Curly Lambeau on Nov 2, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Possibly, but nonetheless he is still drawing attention. Pretty much every team was still lining a safety up directly over him a good 20 yards behind the line of scrimmage. We did it, the Patriots did it, and the Jets did it. That tells me teams still view him as a threat and respect him.
We won’t have to do that now. Instead we can focus on Harvin, and basically shut their entire passing game down. Unless, of course Favre starts playing much better, which seems doubtful too me.
by packallday555 on Nov 2, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
You can say that all you want, but by the time they notice, the play is over and someone else is running with the ball. The minute you let your guard down on him he can still burn you BAD.
And you can say THAT all you want, but how long can the guy live on reputation? How long has it been since we’ve seen one of those amazing long passes? …seriously, how long has it been? A year?
Randy is quite clealy bored with football.
by Curly Lambeau on Nov 3, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
The long gain over Revis count?!
that was about 40 yds and it was a one handed catch… That count as amazing?!
THis year he hasn’t been utilized very much, it seems…
You've been Stroh'd!!!
I’ll admit, though, that I did notice the Patriots paying extra-special attention to him all night, with 3 and 4 sets of eyes always on him.
But I’d respond to that point by saying that that’s a very Patriots kind of thing to do. They just traded him, and so they don’t want him to be the one to beat them. Kind of like, you remember how Anthony Smith (then with the Steelers) was talking smack about guaranteeing a win against the Patriots, and then Brady made a special point of throwing the very first pass of the game right over Smith’s head. …and then Brady went up to him with a few choice things to say too, probably along the lines of “going to be a long day for you, just so you know.”
Again, this is what the Patriots do.
by Curly Lambeau on Nov 2, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Well here is the thing though you have to alter your coverage to account for him. He can still kill you in single coverage. You can try to downplay him all you want but his struggles are because he doesn’t have the skills to kill double coverage now…he would still murder teams if they choose to single cover him. Trust me, he’s still very scary as a WR.
What he brings is that he makes defenses change their gameplans. Look what happened to Harvin just from Moss’s name being on the roster. He instantly was opened up for catches all over the field. You can bash on him all ya want but teams HAVE to account for him and that is one the best things he brings to a team.
His struggles?
Please, that last game was Farve’s inability to throw the deep ball with his crushed ankle. Moss could have been spotted further downfield, but Farve simply didn’t throw it his way that often. Call it great coverage by the Patriots (who somehow have the 31st ranked pass D in the NFL right now) or poor effort by the Vikings, it was more of Farve’s fault than Randy’s. Does Randy throw the ball? No; last time he did it got intercepted by the Seahawks in 2004…
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 2, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Pass...
In a related note, everyone needs to go straight over to DN and watch the Hitler meme video. It’s an old meme, yeah, but it’s absolute gold.
All is vanity.
I expect both to clear waivers.
ProFootballTalk probably knows much that I don’t know, so I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that I’m wrong here, but what do either of these guys bring except a big salary and a boatload of baggage?
Moss will try on 2 or 3 plays from time to time, and then he’ll sulk all week. …and it’s no guarantee that he’ll catch passes on those 2 plays that he does try! The potential for a big play or two is not valuable enough to justify everything that you know will go wrong with him. And I don’t even see how it’s even close.
And forget about Merriman unless you have some way to circumvent the NFL’s substance abuse policy so you can get him some ‘roids on the down-low. …oh wait, Minnesota’s got that with their courts. So, okay, maybe Merriman to Minny makes sense. But Moss clears waivers.
I couldn’t feel more different…especially on Moss. He will NOT clear waivers. Not a chance. Someone will grab him if for no other reason than to keep him out of the hands of some team at the top (ie Patriots)
The Patriots were ready to release him if nobody made a trade offer. No way they take him back.
You’re probably right about somebody else taking him, though, now that I think about it. …and they’ll regret it eventually.
by Curly Lambeau on Nov 3, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I doubt either clears waivers...
Lots of possible playoff teams that need potential impact players! Gotta be a situation where the team has strong leadership for Moss! Packers qualify in that regard.
Merriman has some baggage, but he needs to play well to get another contract! IF he’s healthy and presumably he is, then he needs to make a name for himself to get another contract!
Both of them are playing for another contract… Moss likely cost himself a multi year deal w/ his antics though. Merriman has been injured much of the past 3 years. We’re already thin and playing street FA at OLB and if we claim him it costs about 1.5M. Thats not alot to get a motivated player w/ something to prove. Don’t see the downside of Merriman…
Claim Merriman and pass on Moss!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
I agree...
Claim Merriman and pass on Moss….We could use some extra pass rush for the defense to keep the offense in games…..
by SpaceGhost34 on Nov 2, 2010 6:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow…didn’t think you would be high on Merriman, thought I remembered you being against him earlier when it was brought up. I like it too though…we coudl use the experience!
I was alway open to Merriman. Must have me mistaken.
If healthy I still think it would make some sense. After Jones went down it makes it all the more interesting! Really don’t know why not.
Still don’t know or think that Thompson will do it, but I would…
You've been Stroh'd!!!
Moss
has great hands, speed and concentration on the ball. In his 1st game with BF, BF kept throwing to Moss until they finally got the TD. If you throw 10 balls to him odds are you get a TD. In that vane, if you throw 30 to him you get 3 TDs a game. But, I wouldn’t take him, let someone else put up with his b.s. Merriman?…………………….hmmmmmmmm…………maybe.
one of the best Hitler parodies ive seen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2pcuLOk6Wc&feature=player_embedded
the ones on favre are good too
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
by blackoutsox on Nov 2, 2010 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Jared Allen missing somewhere between the Bermuda Triangle and Antarctica
THAT was hilarious.
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 2, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
But I laughed over
“Get me a Clay Matthews jersey and a bottle of scotch” part as much if not more.
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 2, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"maybe if we crawl to green bay and bring them the head of Brett Favre, they will welcome us"
my favorite part
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
not looking for the answer…looking for able bodies that know the system and can come in and help our defense.
work ethic over talent in this situation.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 3, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
MN is weird, man
MN is a weird place. You criticize the food and you’re “boorish” and get waived. You sen around photos of your richard to women and thats OK. Hmmmm.
Moss NO Merriman why not
I don’t see a downside to give Merriman a chance. If he’s got it physically even just as a pass rusher it greatly improves the defense. If he doesn’t have it or is a distraction just cut him.
Anyone ever consider this?
Maybe Childress just got Randy to show to the team and to the whole world that there are bigger Drama Queens than Brett Favre.
So let the debate begin . . . bigger Drama Queen, Randy Moss or Brett Favre?
by I voted for Kodos on Nov 3, 2010 1:03 PM CDT reply actions
I vote Favre
At least Moss is entertaining about it. See his post-game news conference from Sunday.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Randy will sit if he doesn't like the team...
I guess its not all about the cash…its also about the RING. This should scare some teams off that might have been thinking about taking a shot at him.
http://nfl-facts-and-rumors.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/25643946
LOL..."we have Hank Baskett"
Oh man…Childress is on a roll. When asked how they are going to make up for missing Moss until Rice is back (by the way, he’s starting to practice today)…his response was “we have Hank Baskett”
Look out Packers, good thing we have the bye to prepare for him!
Teams putting in waiver claims on Moss
- - Titans
Teams thinking about it #18 Miami, #21 New Orleans, #13 Rams
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/11/03/randy-moss-waivers/
REPORT: Bills to claim Merriman
Jay Glazer is reporting that Merriman has been claimed by the Bills…meaning no one else will even get a shot at the once great LB.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Shawne-Merriman-waiver-Buffalo-Bills-110310
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