Recap: Packers Passing Offense Is Great, Rushing Offense Is Not
by Brandon on Nov 29, 2010 7:01 AM CST
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PrintIt's easy to blame the Green Bay Packers offensive line for failing to run block, as a few short yardage conversion attempts were stuffed when defenders slashed their way into the backfield and stood up the Packer lineman. But QB Aaron Rodgers couldn't have put together his monster game through the air, and on his scrambles too, if they weren't doing their job in pass protection. All the receivers played great as they caught everything catchable that came their way, and ran for a bunch of yards after the catch. The biggest thing that held the offense back was bad field position as the special teams had an awful game. Seven of their nine drives started inside the 20 yard line.
Four Quarters
One of the few mistakes Rodgers made was when he didn't run quite far enough on his 3rd down scramble to cross the marker. On their next possession, they went 81 yards in 9 plays only to settle for a field goal. The drive ends on the first of many stuffed 3rd and short conversion attempts (RB Dimitri Nance at the 4 yard line). The offensive line did a great job in pass protection as they only allowed 1 sack, 1 QB hit, and gave Rodgers plenty of time to throw. The offensive line did a terrible job on running plays as they constantly allowed defenders into the backfield.
The Packers opened up the second quarter with a five receiver set and a big play to WR Brett Swain, as the Falcons gambled on the blitz and Rodgers threw to the area the blitzing defender vacated. This was, unfortunately, the second 80+ yard drive of the game that did not get into the end zone as Rodgers fumbled on the goal line. I hated the play call, a quarterback sneak when the offensive line isn't keeping defenders out of the backfield, and it's a good way to get Rodgers hurt. Mike McCarthy said "he hit his funny bone" which caused the fumble. Over 160 yards of offense and only 3 points to show for it: a big reason for the 3 point loss.
The first drive of the third quarter started with 14 yards passing and no first down, due to the 6 yard loss by RB Brandon Jackson. While he's not a very good runner, it was the offensive line that let him down. They were doubling up on defensive lineman, while other defenders flew into gaps unblocked. When they got the ball back, Rodgers hit WR Greg Jennings and WR Jordy Nelson for a couple of long pass plays that set up his 1 yard TD run.
As the fourth quarter started, they started at their 7 yard line, after a bad return and penalty, and even though they ran the ball a little (Jackson got 16 of his 26 yards this drive), they still had to throw twice for one yard and failed to convert as the last pass was just beyond WR Donald Driver's reach. Then another long drive (the last one for 90 yards) as Rodgers zipped a touchdown pass to Nelson when the offensive line (great pass blocking version) gave him all sorts of time to throw. There was a final stat padding 35 yard pass to Jennings with only 2 seconds left.
Individual Analysis
QB Aaron Rodgers. He had a critical fumble (on a stupid play call), but that was the only blemish on a fantastic game (344 yards passing on only 35 attempts, along with 51 yards rushing).
Offensive line. Fantastic in pass protection, dreadful at run blocking. They weren't going to winning the game on the ground, but it was their worst showing in run blocking this season. Yet, they were nearly perfect in pass protection (the lone sack by DE John Abraham was a coverage sack).
WR Jordy Nelson. I had written him off since the return of Driver, but instead Mike McCarthy has opened up his playbook with more multiple receiver sets and he had his best game of the season. He had an amazing catch for a first down that he grabbed off his shoe tops, and then had a fantastic touchdown catch to tie the game.
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What a contrast the Philly-Chi game makes
Whenever you saw RBs gash the defense, they had GAPING holes and the Offensive Lines (mostly Philly) were pushing guys back. I NEVER saw that with our Offensive Line yesterday.
And this really goes way back to the 2007 Giants game (NFC championship). That’s when Colledge, Wells and Spitz were manhandled, crushed by the Giants Defensive Line (Ryant Grant had like 22 yards that game). Colledge is still there and he is still weak. Wells is gutsy but undersized, Clifton is 35 years old. These guys are not generating the power we need in short yardage.
And even when we ran it to our “strength”, the right side, we were stuffed.
THIS will be priority number 1 this off-season, revamping the Offensive Line and getting BIGGER and STRONGER and YOUNGER. And maybe even getting rid the ZBS and going for a power running scheme.
I'll go with the OL I've seen the most and know the most about...
Gabe Carimi is likely to go in the top 10 now.
John Moffitt is putting together one heck of a case to be a top 64 selection (top two rounds).
Bill Nagy is a guy I could see slipping well into UDFA territory because he hasn’t seen much playing time, but he’s fast despite his size. He was running stride for stride with some of Wisconsin’s RBs (especially James White) against Northwestern and Michigan at times…
Wisconsin, Big Ten Champions for the first time since 1999...
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 29, 2010 8:18 AM CST up reply actions
O-Line
I disagree with you Brandon. I live in Florida and haven’t had a chance to watch many Packer games this year, but the Falcons’ game was shown in my area and I was underwhelmed by the offensive line. Wells is still what he always was — a small center who gets pushed around. Colledge is nothing other than a dime-a-dozen guard. Clifton is a passblocker, which is what you have to have at LT, but that’s all he is (or frankly ever was). Bulaga and Sitton didn’t show me much either, although in the past I have been somewhat impressed with Sitton’s drive. Throw in some less-than-mediocre running backs (I apologize for my prior grumbling about Ryan Grant), and there doesn’t seem to be any hope that this team will be a running team at all.
+1
Spot on. I think Sitton has shown something over the season, and Buluga appears to have been decent run blocking but aside from those two, there’s on one else who can do it at all.
by packallday555 on Nov 29, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Completely agree.
If Colledge fought as hard on the field as he does with his mouth when he gets criticized, he’d be an all pro. I think Sitton run blocks fairly well but there’s not a lot you can do if the rest of the line is struggling.
But it’s not like there weren’t more yards there to be made. There were. The RBs aren’t going the Oline any favors by missing holes and failing to make any yards after contact. It’s a lot easier to fire off the line the next time when your RB picked up 5 instead of getting stuffed.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 29, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
But it’s not like there weren’t more yards there to be made. There were. The RBs aren’t going the Oline any favors by missing holes and failing to make any yards after contact. It’s a lot easier to fire off the line the next time when your RB picked up 5 instead of getting stuffed.
Couldn’t have said it any better. I’m so sick of watching Jackson gain 2-3 yards less than he often times should. All that dancing back and forth he does makes me want to explode! The only guy that seems to get up field quickly is Nance but for some reason he doesn’t get anything more then goaline carries/snaps.
by packallday555 on Nov 29, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
I dont like Nance
just putting that out there
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
by blackoutsox on Nov 30, 2010 12:56 AM CST up reply actions
wow I agree with something you said
but this is all true
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
If Rodgers=Don Majkowski...i=Lex Steele
If you don't know the cadence of GO PACK GO your opinion doesn't matter
--John Jurkovic
Rodgers > Majkowski
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 29, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
lol u got it
If you don't know the cadence of GO PACK GO your opinion doesn't matter
--John Jurkovic
Not a serious comparison....
…but if the present regime can’t find a way to lead a very good team to compete for the league title it deserves, then the legacy of Aaron Rodgers will end up only as memorable as the careers of otherwise decent Packer QBs like Lynne Dickey and the Majik Man.
But what a year it was!
…ah, the cardiac Pack
by Curly Lambeau on Nov 29, 2010 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
well
I’m a (straight) man and I have a crush on Aaron Rodgers!
by ericforeman04 on Nov 29, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
Just so you know
With yesterday’s game, Aaron Rodgers has reached the 1,500 pass attempts threshold and entered the all-time passer rating list tied for 1st place with Phillip Rivers at 97.3. Pretty amazing.
The Dude abides
Damn
You beat me.
But I did update the Wikipedia page. :)
by Archibaldcrane on Nov 29, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
I’m actually somewhat encouraged by how…
we played well from the opening gun. No crazy two turnover first quarter.
we held it together against the pass. Their #1 receiver didn’t have a monster game, and we held a very good team to 20 points.
the o-line didn’t give up many sacks. They had deficiencies, but they didn’t freak out or melt down.
So…
Now we need to build on those positives while fixing what went wrong, namely the running game and special teams. I forget the name of that guy who returned the last kickoff, but he killed us all day on STs (covering as well as returning — he had two or three nice tackles. I don’t know who was supposed to be blocking him, but… jeez)
Bottom line: we played tough against a good team. The team needs to keep its head up and focus on making the playoffs.
Weems or something was his name I believe. He did kill us, bad.
Unfortunately, I think both our special teams and running game just are what they are. Bad. I don’t really see how either could improve. Possibly sticking Lang in there for Colledge could help but who knows how Lang would adjust to a position he’s never played before in game. Firing Slocum (which should have been done about a year ago) could possibly help improve the special teams but maybe not. I still think Slocum is the reason for a lot of our problems but maybe we just don’t have the talent. I guess it’s just puzzling to think about why we can’t cover a kickoff or a punt (both of which are basic, basic things.)
by packallday555 on Nov 29, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Well, I keep going back to ‘07. Our running game was attrocious up until the bye, and then Campen figured it out and they were elite the rest of the year. So, it’s possible to fix it mid-season. Will we? I don’t know. But it is possible.
I liked what you said about “they are what they are” though. At some point, you go to war with the army you’ve got, not the army you want.
by Curly Lambeau on Nov 29, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
I dont think it's a talent issue
we’ve had games where our coverage looks great and returns look good… so we’ve seen flashes of good from the ST… just no consistency
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Nov 29, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Those are my thoughts too but I just can’t comprehend how a coach could scheme so poorly for special teams. They’re just so basic.
by packallday555 on Nov 29, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
ir
we got so many guys on ir that our st has been depleted cuz theyre starters now
and slocum gotta go
You don't need world beaters for special teams
That’s why you use 2nd and 3rd stringers. Players on IR don’t make much ST difference.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Also,
the injuries have resulted in a lack of stabilty on the ST, much as they did on the offensive line in 2009.
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
Okay, this will not stand, man
Playing STs takes every bit as much athleticism, skill, and teamwork as do offense and defense. They use reserves because the play is, if anything, even more violent and hectic than the other two phases. So, you absolutely DO need world-beaters. The guys on STs are not worse, they’re just considered more expendible in terms of their salary and experience.
by Curly Lambeau on Nov 30, 2010 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
Anyone who can make an NFL roster has that sort of athleticism
You can pick up guys off the street to play ST. The players are not the issue IMO. I’ll give NorthStar his point about lack of stability, but I don’t think guys on IR have a whole lot of impact on our ST play.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
It goes back to what I've been saying
We are a great team with a mediocre HC. Sorry, but there’s no other way to put this. I’m not going to even get into challenging the Tony Gonzalez catch, but when one the most prolific pass offenses in NFL with four legit starting WRs goes inside AT LEAST the 13 yard line of the Falcons in the second and third possession of the game and attempts ONE pass out of six tries, there’s something wrong with the guy calling the plays.
The most excruciating thing yesterday was not our inability to stop Turner. It was watching Bjax being pushed back for another loss after handed the ball again and again.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Nov 29, 2010 11:00 AM CST reply actions
I thought we did ok against Turner. He got his but most players of his talent always do. He’s an elite running back, and Atlanta has a very good offensive line to block for him.
It was obvious McCarthy wanted to stay loyal to the run but I think at some point, when you’re consistently losing yards on run plays (which is embarrassing) you should probably just get away from the run game. I kept hearing Billick say he wanted to stay with the run so he could play-action pass off of it but it seemed for the most part that we passed out of the shotgun.
Either way, I’m not freaking out too much about this loss. We had a couple of calls/balls not bounce our way. You just never know. If they give Rodgers that spot on his slide, call that Gonzalez pass incomplete, or Rodgers doesn’t fumble on the 1 yard line, the game could have totally been different. Sometimes you get those breaks and sometimes you don’t. It’s just how it is.
There were definitely some positives to come out of this game too. Quarless looked good, Jones again played well, and Nelson had a great game. Between those three, and Jennings and Finley, I think our passing game is going to be lethal for years too come.
by packallday555 on Nov 29, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
still
the playcalling on those two possessions was disturbingly puzzling. It was the difference in the game. We came away with three points when we could have done 14. More importantly, the turnover gave the Falcons the momentum for the crucial TD before halftime.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Nov 29, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
I agree to an extent. On our second possession, I actually thought the play calling was alright. We had 1st and 10 on their 13 yard line. We handed off to Jackson on 1st, and he gained 4 yards. Rodgers then scrambled on 2nd down for 5 yards. We ran Nance on 3rd and 1 and he got stopped short.
I think all of those plays are alright. I doubt the Rodgers scramble was a designed one, so we really had 2 runs and 1 pass. I think it’s somewhat embarrassing that on 3rd and 1/2 we often come out in the shotgun formation. It’s really quite telling as to how good our offensive linemen really are in obvious running situations. The fact that they couldn’t even get enough push for Nance to get one yard is all on them. Nance ran pretty hard on the play, and actually shedded the first tackle but was eventually pushed stopped by 3 Falcons.
On the second possession in the 1st half, we 1st and 10 on the their 14. We passed on 1st for an 8 yard gain, and then again on 2nd for a 4 yard gain. That left us with 1st and goal from their 2, and from their we had an incomplete pass and then two sneaks by Rodgers.
Again, I think the play calling was fine. When you get down to the 2 yard line, you shouldn’t have to pass or run a couple of Qb sneaks. You should be able to get 2 rushing yards in 3 downs. The play action on 1st down is fine, and actually could have been a TD had Johnson not dropped the ball. The fact that we had to sneak twice after is again embarrassing though. Again, it’s telling how good our OL are in obvious running situations.
I mean, I guess we could just come out in the shotgun all the time every time we get in the red zone (like we often do) but it’s harder to score doing that. There isn’t as much room for the receivers to work with, and it’s easier for the defense to just drop back into a zone and take away the windows. If we actually had a running game to take some pressure off Rodgers, I’d bet our efficiency in the red zone and offense in general really would be much better.
by packallday555 on Nov 29, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
I think it was mostly a matchup thing, which is why we spread the field near the goal line
He does it quite a bit, and no I dont agree with it for the most part, but I think McCarthy just feels it utilizes our strength better. Atlanta’s strength is stopping the run, so it is good at goal line and base formations in doing so. We have great depth at the WR position. Plus a mobile QB to run when he has to. I think that is why McCarthy calls it so often, only because our OL unfortunately isn’t that good. I never trust our OL to open up a lane on 3rd and short. I think I would prefer more 2 TE sets in the red zone. Quarless and Lee that is.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Yeah, we need a running game. Plain and simple. I really hope Thompson makes that somewhat of a priority for the future. Until we have interior guys that can actually move somebody (I’m looking at you Daryn and Scott), no running back of ours is ever going to look good. I think grabbing an OG or OC early on is a must.
Running back has to be considered a huge need too. Jackson isn’t a good runner. Period. Too much back and forth, and not enough speed and strength. I think Grant pretty much the same, only he has a little better speed and strength than Jackson but he’ll be 30 here soon and will be coming off of an injury. I suppose we still need to see what we have in Starks but I doubt he’ll look much better then anyone else for us because of our offensive line.
Agreed on Jackson
I was holding out hope on him, but… he was just nowhere yesterday.
by Curly Lambeau on Nov 29, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
They need to make a move...
…. but I wouldn’t hold my breath on using an early pick on a Guard or Center. You’ll probably see one spent on an OT and if Spitz is healthy and on the sideline next year I’d be shocked. The fact that Colledge is still starting at guard is pretty damning of the rest of the interior linemen on the sideline.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 29, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t plan on it. Though Thompson has seemed to really pick positions that we really need the last couple of seasons so I think their might be some hope.
Agreed on Spitz. I don’t understand why he isn’t out there now. I always thought he was much better than Colledge, and even better than Wells really. Seems like he would be an upgrade over either guy really. Though I think I’d prefer him over Colledge because not only is he below average skill wise, he’s also good for a false start/holding at crucial times in games.
by packallday555 on Nov 29, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
I've always felt
that Wells is better at protection calls than Spitz. I have no defense for Colledge.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
I wonder
if he hasn’t been the same player since returning from the back injury. He had beaten Wells for the center position last year before he went on IR and was considered to be better than Colledge by the coaching staff. My best guess is that he isn’t showing the same ability in practice that he was before the injury. But then again McCarthy might be overly worried about the negative effects of changing linemen.
Probably a little of both. I remember him beating Wells out too, and I also remember hearing that he and Sitton had both put on some more weight, which was something McCarthy talked non-stop about that offseason in regards to the offensive line.
by packallday555 on Nov 30, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn’t disagree with that. I think Wells is probably the smarter player. He doesn’t make any mistakes really. He’s just a little too small to really get the job done.
by packallday555 on Nov 30, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I agree
I said this in another post last night. We always complained about Grant, now we are complaining about Jackson, and finally it’s Nance. There’s a reason Falcon fans like Nance, and now he suddenly is terrible. That’s 3 RB’s…something has got to give….
I thought you were a Scott Wells fan? Anyone finally open to putting Jason Spitz back in there or do you think it will mess with the OL chemistry for pass blocking?
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I don’t think Nance is bad at all. I actually like him more then I do Jackson. He makes one cut, gets upfield quick, and then lowers his shoulder and usually ends up with an extra yard or two. I don’t think Jackson does any of those things really.
by packallday555 on Nov 29, 2010 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
I’d love to see Nance right now, but he got one rushing attempt at the goal line. Even the Falcons yesterday failed two or three times to punch it in at the goal line, resorting to a pass on fourth down. I think he’ll look good if given the chance. McCarthy is really stubborn with his lineups, but I think over the long term he shows a willingness to make the change if necessary. I expect him to give Nance a lot more looks next week.
oh great
just looked at the post underneath
Hold off on Spitz till next year...
I think Spitz will be the starting Center next year. Wells is better at the OL calls, no doubt about that, and he’s scrappy, but just not going to ever be a good OL w/ him at center! I would love it if they drafted a center high next year! Look what Pouncey has done for Pitts OL… He solidified it and is really good! Really good centers usually play that position thru college and Spitz didn’t, so I’m not sure he’s the answer either! Either way getting another top OL, preferably OT, is a must soon! Lang could do better than Colledge at LG… Use Bulaga and a new OT to stabilze the OL for years to come!
I think the OL just isn’t very good at run blocking, especially on the Left side! Replace Colledge w/ Lang and a new LT for Clifton could really help the running game!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
Center is a growing trend of picks in the 1st Round
Especially with more teams converting to the 3-4. Anyhow, I think that solves a lot. I think IF we use a 1st Round pick on a C, cut Wells, let Colledge walk, and maybe draft another OT in the 5th Round for more depth. I’m very much going against the idea of spending a 1st on a HB now.
I like the idea of moving Bulaga back to LT in 2012. He will line up against primarily pass rushers and that can help our running game in a way. We’ll see though. Not sure how well Newhouse is developing in practice. Not sure if I want Newhouse at LT even if he does become a capable starter either. I understand the logic in him having longer arms and being a better pass protector, but the RE’s or ROLB’s are generally pass rushers and lighter compared to LE’s/LOLB’s. Putting Bulaga there goes against the general set up and may throw defenses off guard in a way with a new trend. Basically that’s the weakest part of the defensive line when it comes to stopping the run. With Bulaga and Lang on the left side, we “could” over power through the weakside of defenses. I hope you understand what I’m trying to say here. It would be different from most teams. It’s an idea….
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
1st rd Centers
I don’t think there are any Centers coming out this year! I know Pounceys brother is going to be drafted, but I don’t know if he’s a center now, he played OG last year! A center has to be REALLY good to get a 1st rd grade. But yes.. it is a growing trend.
You want to draft another 4th or 5th rd OT? Haven’t we had enough of those? Give me another 1st rd OT, either side, move Lang to LG to replace Colledge and Spitz to Center! Then we have a young, stronger and talented OL for years! Would still like to see a better Center than either Wells or Spitz tho!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
Pouncey's brother played center.
He played center BADLY…
Wisconsin, Big Ten Champions for the first time since 1999...
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 30, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like we might get to Starks play a little in the coming weeks since Nance suffered a concussion.
Why not? It's worth a try.
If nothing else we should at least try Starks (or Nance, if he recovers quickly) on designated plays designed to get them the ball. If they can’t be trusted to pick up blitzes then rotate one of them in for 5 touches per half, let the assignment sure Jackson play the rest. What they’re doing now is going to get them beat in the first round of the playoffs, assuming they even get that far.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 29, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Well
if we end up in the Wild Card…it’ll be either @Philly ….
…or @Seattle (or St. Louis, or whatever).
The first option wouldn’t be great, but whatever. The second option?
LOL.
by Archibaldcrane on Nov 29, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on the records of the two WC teams.
The best WC record gets the worst division champ, granted, that looks like it’ll be the runner up in the South, but it’s not written in stone just yet.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 29, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Well
Then we really have to hope that it is the Saints as the Wild Card with at least 2 or 3 more losses down the stretch, because with Atlanta’s remaining schedule, I don’t see any way they end up with more than 4 total losses.
At Tampa Bay
Then at Carolina, at Seattle, and home vs. Carolina.
Then finishing off the season with New Orleans at home.
I just don’t see how this team loses any of those three games in the middle.
Yeah, after yesterday there is virtually no chance of catching Atlanta.
But I’d be shocked if Atlanta doesn’t win that division regardless.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 29, 2010 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
always interesting
reading the excuses after a loss. the usual mcarthy sucks debate.
did mcarthy fumble the ball in the endzone yesterday? the game came down to turnovers. atlanta had 0 we had 1. it doesn’t matter if the turnover came in the 4th quarter or the first. we lost 7 points on that drive and than atlanta took the ball down the field for a td——-14 point swing——game over.
i still believe the packers will make the playoffs and i’m still sticking with the 10-6 record with 1 and done in the playoffs.
looks like the 4 tickets i got for the bears game are becoming very valuable.
what should i do?
a. fly back to green bay and attend the game.
b. give them to one of my kids.
c. put them on EBAY and watch the bears fans outbid each other for the tickets and make a quick grand.
This whole
we left 7 points on the field thing with the fumble
is dumb.
Do you really think he was going to score on that QB sneak, fumble or not? Atlanta had that play totally stuffed regardless. We left 3 points on the field with the fumble. The playcall left the other 4.
by Archibaldcrane on Nov 29, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
We're not criticizing the QB sneak because of the fumble
We are criticizing it because it risks Rodgers health. That was one of my few complaints, otherwise you won’t find many from me on here. McCarthy made some mistakes along with the rest of the team.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
b. give them to one of [your] kids.
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
amazingly
I actually agree w/ you about the turnovers!!! That cost us the game…
Whatever you do don’t sell them to a bares fan!!! Don’t care how much you can make on them… IMO, its sacrilage to sell tix to the opposing team!!!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
The turnover battle loss does hurt
but I also don’t want to bank on REQUIRING a turnover to win… especially when we hit the playoffs against the best teams in the league… you shouldn’t have to count on a turnover to win the game
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Nov 30, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
I get that...
But if the turnover margin is = then the Packers could easily get the W! Just can’t lose the turnover battle… Its the single biggest determining factor in NFL games!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
turnover is a turnover
atlanta 0———packers 1——we lost by 3——-pretty simple.
on the bright side.
does the packers really want a home playoff game?
meaning——this team isn’t built for the cold weather games. you must have some kind of running game when the weather turns lousy.fortunately, atlanta,new orleans play in domes, but chicago,philly and the giants don’t. lets hope we get to play indoors in the playoffs.
Yes, at least one
This team is still relatively young, and I don’t like our chances playing three consecutive road games in the postseason.
Let me correct that for you....
“pretty simple” should be “oversimplified.” Did it affect the outcome of the came? Clearly. Is it the only reason they lost? Not even close.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 29, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
scary situation
FACT——1 of these teams will not make the playoffs—-which one?
atlanta(9-2)—-new orleans(8-3)
philly(7-4)——giants(7-4)
bears(8-3)—-packers(7-4)
whatever happens, it’s going to be a great last month of the season to watch.
Hmm
Falcons’ remaining schedule: @ Tampa Bay, @ Carolina, @ Seattle, vs Saints, vs Panthers
Saints’ remaining schedule: @ Cincinnati, vs St. Louis, @ Baltimore, @ Atlanta, vs Tampa Bay
Eagles’ remaining schedule: vs Houston, @ Dallas, @ NY Giants, vs Minnesota, vs Dallas
Giants’ remaining schedule: vs Washington, @ Minnesota, vs Philadelphia, @ Green Bay, @ Washington
Bears’ remaining schedule: @ Detroit, vs New England, @ Minnesota, vs NY Jets, @ Green Bay
Packers’ remaining schedule: vs San Francisco, @ Detroit, @ New England, vs NY Giants, vs Chicago
The good news is that with games against the Giants and Chicago...
… we’re pretty much in control of our own destiny. If they win the NFC games left on the slate, they’re 11-5 and they’ll have the tie-breaker over the Giants and the Bucs for the final WC spot, if nothing else. In two weeks I firmly believe that the Bears and GB will both be 9-4 with the Bears on a half-game edge on the tie-breaker and week 17 looming in the distance.
The South is interesting. Three teams with 7-9 wins already, and they all play each other once more.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 29, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
That will be a great race to watch in that division.
If I’m right about this, the Falcons and Saints play in Atlanta one more time. The Saints-Buccaneers game is in New Orleans, and the Falcons-Buccaneers rematch is in Tampa.
I think if a team goes 2-0 in those games, they will win the division. If all three teams are 1-1, that makes things very interesting indeed.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 29, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget about Tampa.
But yeah, it’s a good point. There’s going to be a 10-6 team staying home this January I think.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 29, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Packers Lost
How bad is it when our QB has more rushing yards than are running back we can’t compete with teams that have all parts of the game working thier running game and thier passing game.Once they know we can’t hurt them with the run its come and get our QB because why worry about the run its not there,TT/MM should have picked up a running back as soon as Grant got hurt but no thier EGO’S got in the way again.Did they really think Jackson was the answer to moving the ball if they did then they are both as dumb as a box of hair.MM play calling at the goal line is just as bad never liked him even when he was the OC for the 49ers he never won anything there either,hope we get a true running back so we can have a chance at the play off if not lets say its over.
At the least, we don't have Andre Johnson on our team.
He and Cortland Finnegan got into a fistfight yesterday.
And to think those two only got hit with $25k fines each while Josh McDaniels of Denver was fined $50k for his little videotaping escapade.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 29, 2010 6:55 PM CST reply actions
Meh...
… it was only a matter of time before someone did that to Finnegan. What I find troubling is that Johnson got the same fine that Finnegan did when Finnegan has a history of fines related to cheap shots. Maybe it’s a contract rule thing so they didn’t have a choice, but I think Finnegan should have gotten more than Johnson since was the instigator and has a history for this sort of thing.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 29, 2010 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
^ This ^
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 29, 2010 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
Johnson was the only one to throw any punch tho...
So they took Finnegans history into account in making the fines equal… Otherwise Johnson would have gotten the much higher fine!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
about time someone did that to Finnegan
he actually said he wants to be seen as the dirtiest player in the league
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
by blackoutsox on Nov 30, 2010 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
I heard
Dorsey Levens is thinking of a comeback.
Goooooo-mez!
by Drew C on Nov 29, 2010 8:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Don't need another WR.
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
Bring back Vince Workman!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 30, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, Vince Workman my way back to you, babe.
Or, Michael Haddix was awesome in SuperTecmo. We could see if he’s available.
by Curly Lambeau on Dec 1, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
What's Jimmy Taylor doin', then?
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
Looks like Starks is going to play
RB James Starks may be called upon to be active this week. “He better be (ready),” McCarthy said
Yes, we'll be excited when he shreds SF + DET for 100 yds each...
And then he’ll come back to Earth against the good teams (New England, NYG, Chicago).
The problem is,
Will MM stick with him long enough for him to get 100 yards in those games?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 30, 2010 5:33 AM CST up reply actions
San Francisco has a pretty good run defense actually and Detroit’s a bit better. I’d be thrilled if he ran for 100 yards over either of those teams. Has one of our running backs even done that this season?
by packallday555 on Nov 30, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
I think Jackson did
the game he had like the 70+ yard run… but not 100% sure on that
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Nov 30, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Detroit's run defense
is not good. Not good at all. 22nd in the league by DVOA and 24th in yardage per game.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
You get past the d-line and you're probably going to be runnig for a while.
Their back 7 is atrocious.
Anthony Tolliver says "Get that weak stuff outta here!"
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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