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So Just How Boring Are We?

One of my biggest pet peeves in the offseason is when fans of opposing teams (most notably Bears and Viking fans) complain stating the national media loves the Packers.  The rant goes that the Packers are always in the limelight and always overrated.  There are many reasons that are put forward for this, a large and nationwide fan base, the unique situation of the city and ownership that makes a good story, the history, blah blah blah.  In fact we've seen an even more virulent form of this the last couple weeks (most notably from Viking fans) stating that the refs are giving all the breaks to the Packers.  But is all this true?

Star-divide

That's what I've been pondering these past few weeks.  In these past few weeks the Packers have won three big games.  The won in a tight and emotional game against a desperate Vikings team.  Really winning that game was huge beyond description for Rodgers, McCarthy, and the organization as a whole.  It helps put what's in the past in the past.  It also helps us in the division, which after the fiasco in Chicago, is looking to be a tight race.  

This hard, emotional win was followed up by shutting down one of the best running games of the year and snapping the five game winning streak of what some considered the best team in football.  If that wasn't good enough for a nice story, the Packers were on the road for that one, beat up, and our opponent was coming off a nice restful bye.  The Packers beat them the way so many talking heads would of never predicted...in a defensive struggle that comes down to who hit the hardest and who caused the most turnovers.

The winning streak continued by beating an underachieving Cowboys team that needed to win one for their beloved coach.  This game had trap game written all over it.  The Packers were about to go into a bye.  Dallas was coming off a beat down and needed to bounce back.  The Pack could start believing they were better than what they were and just expect to turn it on like last year....but that didn't happen.  Instead the team put together a fine performance and just beat down the Cowboys in a way that had not been done in years.

Now if the media really loves to love them some Packers they would snap at this story right?  We would be constantly hearing about how the Packers are turning it around and every talking head would fawn over the Pack.  It would be sickening and once again these naysayers could point out how overrated the Packers and their cheese loving fans are.  Or maybe not a national story, but the Packers would at least be the biggest story coming out of their division.  I mean come on, they are winning it now, so there should be something to talk about....right?

Wrong.

Instead of seizing upon the storyline of overcoming Farve and taking another step out of his shadow more media attention focused on him hobbling out of Lambeau and began a will he won't he saga that carried through the week.  That and blown calls were the storylines taken out of that game.    

With the Jets the storyline became: What's wrong with the Jets?  Sure some lip service was paid to how great the defense was, but really the focus was how bad the Jets receivers were.  How much Sanchez was off.  How the Jets weren't focused.  

Finally the Cowboy game.  The offense finally clicked.  The defense completely shut down the Cowboys (with the exception of Dez Bryant who is a beast).  The Packers literally scored a touchdown in all three parts of the game.  Is there some respect given out as a result?  Not really.  Again the storyline shifts to how the Cowboys have collasped.  How Wade is getting canned.  We scored more points than any other team this week, but it's the Giants who get the buzz and the Packers become more of an after thought.

Now I don't mean to sound like I'm bitching about any of this, rather I want to point something out.  We are boring.  The Packers don't make splashy trades.  We don't sign big free agents.  Don't make many non-winning related headlines.  This is probably a good thing since we all know the Packers play the worst when they think the are great.  But still, 

Really the major reason why we are so boring is because we have taken on the personality of our leadership.  Ted Thomson is a great evaluator of talent and might be one of the most boring people alive.  What few details I come across on his life makes me believe the dude just eats sleeps breathes his job.  Perhaps the most interesting thing about him is that he doesn't give a crap about what you(the fans and media) think or what moves you think need to be done.  He does what he does, and if it doesn't work there always next year.

We follow that up with Mike McCarthy.  Let's just say that McCarthy is no Rex Ryan.  McCarthy is an average to above average coach who does his best work in the offseason and training camp teaching the game to his players.  You know, that time of the year when the cameras aren't rolling and teams like the Redskins are trying to buy a Super Bowl?  The real telling thing about him for me came back in '08 when the Packers decided to ride the suck train.  What always struck me about that team was the fact they didn't give up.  They still fought hard to try and beat Chicago and Houston even though the season was all but done.  They still played a great game against Detroit to not be the only team that lost to them that year.  That's when I bought into MM and figured that we had something special going.  See, too often teams in those situations will mail it in (see the Vikings for the first 55 minutes on Sunday and Dallas for every game since the second half of the Giants game).  McCarthy was able to keep his team together and focused and it's paid off since.  So yeah, he's not going to be too exciting to watch when there are larger than life personalities like Ryan, or idiots running franchises into the ground like some other coaches out there.  

So the next time you come across an arrogant rival talking bout how the media over hypes the Packers remember this moment and my rant.  Remember that during this three game stretch that has probably turned our season around, the Packers were little more than a footnote to the larger stories brewing in the NFL.

And why?  Because we are just too boring.

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Bears fans complaining

about us getting the calls is laughable at best. Just by even looking at Jay Cutler gets you a roughing the passer penalty.

Are you saying Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

by houseofcards on Nov 9, 2010 1:12 AM CST reply actions  

well, that or an interception. 50-50 split

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 9, 2010 1:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Not to mention they received the most generous game deciding penalty of the year…

by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2010 7:47 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

^^this.

"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi

by AdamA on Nov 9, 2010 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, it’s not everyday you see a team totally collapse, as Dallas clearly did. The Packers could have had a clown on stilts spinning plates on sticks kicking their extra points and Wade would’ve still been the story today.

by Curly Lambeau on Nov 9, 2010 1:13 AM CST reply actions  

Clown on stilts kicking extra points would be the story because

he would have to be using an illegal tee to get the ball high enough for him to kick it. In which case, the refs wouldn’t call it on the Packers, thereby proving that the refs are trying to help the Packers and hate the Bears/Vikings.

But seriously, I wonder what Lions fans think when they read Bears and Vikings fans complaining about the refs?

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 9, 2010 1:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually

You could snap it to the clown and have him drop kick the PAT. On Stilts.

by Danwood on Nov 9, 2010 7:10 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Awesome

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Nov 9, 2010 7:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Bill Belichick

isn’t exactly the exciting interview of the year. Personally, I like that our play does our talking and that we don’t have a bunch of dumba**es whining/bragging all the time. Peyton Manning is “boring” but TO and Ochocinco are exciting – guess who I’d rather have on my team?

Short version – I’m happy to have the national media ignore us. We seem to play better when they do, and we don’t have players making us look like fools when we lose.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 9, 2010 1:25 AM CST reply actions  

I don't see that as boring.

I see that as our general manager actually knowing what he’s doing. Boring? no, intelligent? yes.

by Reno Polyester on Nov 9, 2010 1:32 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Also, professional!

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 9, 2010 4:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe we don't have a bunch of characters

but if we have to put up with the Ochos, TOs and Mosses of the world, then I like being boring. I can see why some other fans may think the Pack gets special treatment, we’ve had some REALLY questionable calls go our way lately, the 2 picks against the Jets and yesterday the fumble recovery. I hope we save a couple for the playoffs.

by bigbill992001 on Nov 9, 2010 3:39 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah but I take that as things balancing out after a couple games where awful penalties cost us a game or two!

by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2010 7:49 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You're absolutely right, Trev

but other fans only remember what they chose to remember. I’ll take every call I can get ‘coz we know the refs will make just as many against us down the line. We’ve had some really bad penalties called on us at crucial times.

by bigbill992001 on Nov 9, 2010 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

3 Things

You can only take most vikings fans comments with a pinch of grain and salt. It seems after every loss, the viking fans ALWAYS blame the refs. It’s never the fact that they were outplayed. Personally, I could care less. Yes, we’ve had some luck, but to think the refs are giving us the game just makes that person sound really dumb. Penalties work both ways. That’s a part of the game. Refer to the MN game, bad calls on both sides. I think what you are hearing is the tune of the violin.

Yes, the Packers are very boring when it comes to the Front Office. Are they the most boring team in the offseason? No, the only time you hear about the Steelers in the offseason is for Superbowl talk or Roethlisberger. You never hear about big signings or trades out of Pittsburgh, ok, well, rarely (Holmes, if this counts as big news). GB is very different from MN and CHI in this aspect. We don’t beg an over the hill grandpa to be our savior. We don’t make any flashy trades for Jared Allen or Randy Moss. We don’t pay a lazy but talented DE a QB salary. And we are the ones leading the division. So you tell me what method works…

We did have a couple big plays go our way against NY and Dallas. Was it the refs fault or the opposing Head Coach’s fault? The refs played it out to be safe because they were unsure. If they are not sure, the play can be reviewed. If they blow it dead, then it’s dead and they better be right that it was a dead play or they face heavy criticsm. It just so happened Rex Ryan and Wade Phillips couldn’t use their challenges. Lucky? Yes. Favored by refs? No. That’s common sense. To think we are always lucky is ridiculous. After all, we have been hit hard by injuries. Last year the Vikings had the luck. This year they don’t. You can’t always have it. This year we got a couple breaks in 2 games, only 1 of which had a significant impact.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Nov 9, 2010 3:46 AM CST reply actions   3 recs

I'd like to add something in to that...
You can only take most vikings fans comments with a pinch of grain and salt. It seems after every loss, the viking fans ALWAYS blame the refs. It’s never the fact that they were outplayed. Personally, I could care less. Yes, we’ve had some luck, but to think the refs are giving us the game just makes that person sound really dumb. Penalties work both ways. That’s a part of the game. Refer to the MN game, bad calls on both sides. I think what you are hearing is the tune of the violin.

I’ve yet to hear a single Vikings fan say that the Packers outplayed them.

Wisconsin, proudly throwing the Big Ten into chaos since the beginning of time.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 9, 2010 8:36 AM CST up reply actions  

…and we SO clearly did. On both sides of the ball.

by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I wouldnt say clearly outplayed them... If the correct calls are called on the Quareless TD, the games different, same for the Shank TD...

Even taken all those calls, which defeinately went both ways… the Pack still would have lost if PH got both feet in bounds… So i would tell you to temper you speech or learn the game a little better if you are going to say clearly…

by supertrooper15 on Nov 9, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

we are not talking about one play

we’re talking about the effort and less mistakes the whole game

4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow

by blackoutsox on Nov 9, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

No the mistakes are one of the things that push it away. Just like in the Packer Bear game where the Packers dominated the Bears statistically. We dominated TOP, yards, etc…but I am not going to say that we played a better game than them just cause we almost won and overcame 18 flipping penalties. We played a pathetic game and deserved to lose. Good fans can admit when their team was outplayed…the Bears didn’t dominate us but they played a clean game and let us beat ourselves. Kudos to them!

by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2010 7:55 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you

It’s time people be educated on how to really cheer on their team. Not just homers and band wagoners.

by PackApologist on Nov 9, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Shank

= the sound of the ball bounces off Visanthe’s forearms!

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 9, 2010 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

*

*as the ball bounces

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 9, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean Visant? Or whatever he wants to be called these days.

I remember him crying at the beginning of the year about how “Everyone was on our jock. Like they’ve actually gone to the Superbowl and won it.”

by Charlie Kelly on Nov 9, 2010 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

3 interceptions, a pick six, giving up almost 300 yards passing,

Seriously, what more proof do you need? Take your blinders off. The bad calls went both ways that night.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 9, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Blinders

Would only prevent you from reading the margins

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 10, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I know how to read.

Unlike you, I’m trying to look at this objectively. I’m trying to tell you Minnesota’s defense didn’t play well that night. Learn how to (A) read, and (B) not be a prick.

Get back to me when you have managed both.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 10, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I get your argument but I am not talking about the couple calls you are referring to…I am talking about overall gameplay. Our offense operated at a higher level for the majority of the game and so did the D. I will agree there were some bad calls but there were bad calls both ways (heck our HC had to throw THREE flags to get calls right and there will still others).

Our QB completed over 61% of his passes for almost 300 yards and the running game was surprisingly efficient. We had fewer turnovers and shockingly fewer penalties (and one of the 2 we had was totally bogus). Honestly, watching the game I felt like the Packers were in control for most of the game until the very end when the Vikings tried to mount a nice comeback.

I full back my words…and trust me, I know the game PLENTY well.

by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2010 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's not forget how our defense harassed Favre in the second half

Whereas, ours could have written a short essay each snap before getting a receiver the ball.

by Charlie Kelly on Nov 9, 2010 8:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Right, but you can say that about any penalty

You are just highlighting 1 that MN fans are complaining about. How about the numerous no calls on them? Holding? Offensive Pass Interference? I saw a couple of those on the MN final drive that even the Commentators made a note of. That would have eliminated the PH opportunity.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Nov 10, 2010 3:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I actually highlighted 3... but the point was not about the calls/no calls.... they went both ways i i stated above

the point was that even with those issues the game was only a four point game, which in no way means “domination” from either team. Stats don’t matter, final score is what matters, if you play sports you know this, it seems like a lot of people dont because they live and die by the stat line. It doesnt matter if your QB throws for 100,000 yards and you loose, its not domination bc you still loose!

by supertrooper15 on Nov 10, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Funny you should mention that . . .

Only the score matters? Please tell this to the legions of Vikings fans who still believe they won the NFC Championship game last year.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 10, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

But, those "legions of Vikings fans

that I voted for Kodos was talking about do believe that the Vikings clearly outplayed the Saints in the NFC title game, and that the refs, and nothing else, cost your team the game.
He was simply asking you to educate their ignorant arses. :)

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
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by NorthStarr on Nov 11, 2010 1:05 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly…you don’t see packer fans complaining right now that it should have been them instead of AZ since the refs missed a BAD penalty on the INT that Rodgers threw. We lost (period).

by TrevorR on Nov 12, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed. It’s ultimately about winning and losing. Sometimes stats can tell a story of a game though. Like your game against New Orleans last season or our game against Chicago this season. In both games, our teams dominated TOP and yards and came away with a loss. If you were to have shown somebody who hadn’t watched the game just the stats and then tell him the score he’d wonder how the hell either of our teams lost. And then you’d pointed to the TO’s in your case, and the penalties in our case.

I guess in short what I’m trying to say is sometimes stats can show how well a team is playing/executing and how smart a team is playing.

by packallday555 on Nov 10, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I think a pinch of kosher sea salt – you know the ones that are the size of snowflakes? Those. Or maybe that salt we put in water softeners. Or a salt lick. My point is – lots of salt is needed to go with Vikings fans’ comments.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 9, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm a Packers fan in Los Angeles

I have to think about where I am going before I wear my Packers cap out in public. Even just walking in to a grocery store, at least six people will want to talk about the Packers to me. When I moved into my apartment I had to wait for the gas man to come and turn on the gas. He showed up and I had my cap on. As soon as he saw me he goes, “Green Bay Packers fan, I like you already!” Everybody in LA wants to talk about the Packers.

Personally I am glad the team is playing as well as they are and not the subject of news stories full of scandal and failure like the Cowboys and the Vikings. Go Packers!

Peter Bourjos is faster than anyone on your team.

by 44FAN on Nov 9, 2010 3:59 AM CST reply actions  

Soon, they may just want to talk about their Vikings. :)

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 9, 2010 4:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Good to know…I’ll be out there for a week for work (my division HQ is in Chatsworth). I guess I can proudly sport my green and gold while I am there.

by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2010 7:49 AM CST up reply actions  

And what you must remember,

Is that even before the news about Sunday Night’s game shifted to Wade Phillips getting fired, everyone was instead talking about how Brent Favre got the Vikings back into the race, how they will soon take off and win the NFC North. It seems ESPN has decided the letters “NFL” mean “National Favre League”. Last I heard, Minnesota was 3-5, just one game ahead of Detroit (yes, that is true) and looking up at Chicago and Green Bay in the NFC North.

So you’re absolutely right … Green Bay really does not get much of the limelight, and I prefer it that way.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 9, 2010 6:47 AM CST reply actions  

The National Favre League

I’ve decided it isn’t worth my time. Anyone else?

I’d rather watch every Wisconsin men’s basketball game in their entirety before I watch another Vikings game. Even if my hero is involved on the other team…

Wisconsin, proudly throwing the Big Ten into chaos since the beginning of time.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 9, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Wait

Does that mean you’re giving up on the Packers or just ESPN?

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 9, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Atlanta Falcons, November 28th

We all know that if we beat the Vikings in Minnesota, it’s going to be all about Favre and Childress and whatever. (Especially if the Vikings lose to the Bears and our win is a defacto playoff elimination) But if we go on to beat Atlanta on the road, that will get everyone talking. And I really don’t have a problem with this, I’d like for us to be at least 8-3 or so before the media starts hyping the Packers Super Bowl Bandwagon again.

But yeah, it is pretty annoying to win three weeks in a row and every time have the story be about how the “other team” lost.

by Puddleglumed on Nov 9, 2010 8:19 AM CST reply actions  

who cares?

Why are you bothering to consider anything that Viqueen fans say? They are a whiny bunch of babies who are still blaming the refs for losing to NO in the championship last year. If the NFL hates the Queens so much why haven’t they suspended Bert Pevre yet? If it were Braylon Edwards or James Harrison, they’d be sitting already.

by Egbert Souse on Nov 9, 2010 8:45 AM CST reply actions  

and Sturger is not talking to the NFL so there is really nothing the NFL can do

by supertrooper15 on Nov 9, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

IMO, that statement implies

that you believe that her not talking to the NFL is really the only reason that there is nothing that the NFL can do and, if that is the case, then it more or less would validate Dunkenfields’ Souse’s point. :)

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
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by NorthStarr on Nov 11, 2010 1:12 AM CST up reply actions  

You're behind the times. She is now.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 12, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Favre is more a money grubbing whore than Sterger ever will be.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 18, 2010 7:29 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

They never proved Roethlisberger did anything illegal either

This isn’t the U.S. criminal justice system, this is the NFL

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 9, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm jumping to conclusions here

But he admitted to sending her voice mails and never explicitly denied sending texts. Even the most naive of us who where the thickest of Favre blinders can see something doesn’t seem right there.

by Charlie Kelly on Nov 9, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Calling someone is not inappropriate because she was returning those calls, as many of her friends are saying.

Is it immoral, sure it is. is it illegal, no. the reason Big Ben was suspended was bc it happened 2x in one year! was he suspended he first time?? i think not. your total right it is the NFL, and they can not do anything until misconduct was proven, especially two years ago. If Big Ben had doen that in college and it came out two years later would he have been suspended? absolutely not…

by supertrooper15 on Nov 10, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

It doesn't have to be illegal

to be contuct detrimental to the league, and be finable and/or suspendable.

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
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by NorthStarr on Nov 11, 2010 1:16 AM CST up reply actions  

This is not the first infraction in Favre’s career either…its his first in a while but he might be a great posterchild to send a real message to the league that you have to clean up your act everywhere and it doesn’t matter who you are!

by TrevorR on Nov 12, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Also, i totally agree with you, it was bush league, but it does not fall under the NFL misconduct.

It can not be harassment if she was returning those same type of messages, which it has been said she had done, wether she did it as a joke or not is irrelevant, she still partook in the conversations.

by supertrooper15 on Nov 10, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think the Jenn Sterger stuff is really the issue

It gets the media attention because she’s pretty (supposedly) and it involves lewd pictures. But if Favre is suspended – and I highly doubt he would be – it seems more likely that it would be because of the massage therapist stuff. But there are a few untouchables in the NFL, and Favre is on that list with Brady, Manning, and possibly Ray Lewis.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 10, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree... but there has not been much of anything brought to light with those accusations correct?

I got sick of following that story, so please let me know if there is anything new out there :)

by supertrooper15 on Nov 10, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know

I am sick of it too. And I think that’s exactly what Brett Favre and the NFL want. This story will fade away. Favre has handled it like a pro in the way he’s (not) talked about it, and that helps his cause. He’s like the Rod Blagojevich of the NFL (I don’t want to talk about that, let’s talk about health care).

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 10, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

yea it has pretty much faded away the last couple weeks...

do you think its because the NFL really doesn’t want to “punish” #4 or they know he is going to retire at the end of this year so what’s the point in trying to finish putting together a case?

by supertrooper15 on Nov 10, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably a little of both

To punish an NFL icon you need to stand on pretty strong ground and it doesn’t seem like they have it. I think it’s in everyone (but the Packers’ and the Bears’) best interests to just let it go.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 10, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

The Pundits Don't Think It Can Happen...

That’s why the Pack doesn’t get top billing. Every time they get to talking about the Packers, it’s about the significant injuries and – oh by the way, they’re playing really well despite it. No ’they’re leading their division,‘; no ’they are tied with the defending Superbowl champs…’

If the Packers are benefitting from anything, it’s the doubt these “experts” have of them achieving anything beyond the regular season. I originally thought beating the Bears and shutting out the Vikings would be the landmark games to achieve after the bye. I’m actually looking to see how well they fare against the Falcons and Giants. The Packers win those games and the talk will heat up.

"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi

by AdamA on Nov 9, 2010 9:16 AM CST reply actions  

The other teams can keep the spotlight and the drama

On last check. they dont make rings or banners for being the most media friendly. And the drama queens like TO, Chad Eight-Five, and Moss have won exactly nothing in the league. Moss and the aformetioned WRs listed above all have some great numbers, but like I said before, they dont make rings for great stats.

The media is always gonna crush on the attention grabbers, and I for one love the fact that my favorite team is deemed boring and kitchy. Like someone else talked about on one of the previous posts; Who is the Superbowl trophy named after? Why do they call Green Bay Titletown? How many Superbowl, Division Titles, Championships have we won? They can have the drama. we’ll take the trophies.

He’s actually underrated, but that’s another can of worms…

by jarlbartar on Nov 9, 2010 10:18 AM CST reply actions  

We have been relevant for 20 years

The media loves us because we count. We don’t see the Browns or the Bills on primetime. Yet the Packers are up there a few times every year. I don’t think we get all the officiating breaks, but it’s hard to deny the fact that we are more media darlings than most NFL teams.

Classy organization. The Packers and the Steelers are the class act of NFL when it comes to running an NFL franchise. Football is revered, people are respected, teams are always competitive, the past has been glorious. No drama, no scandals, no controversy. Even the Favre drama is more media fueled than something that affected the Packer organization. As far as we are concerned, we handled it with class. On the other hand, the Steelers had their own QB mess to deal with and handled it with class as well. Imagine if Big Ben was on the Cowboys. It would have been a friggin circus all year long.

Brett Favre: hate him all you want, but he made this franchise relevant again. One losing season, almost every year a good or great team on the field, always a force to be reckoned with. That alone will win you some media love. Even after Favre, AR picked up right where he left off, without missing a beat. If you don’t realize how hard that is, look at the Niners who haven’t had a great QB since Young. Or worse, look at the sorry Lions. I don’t recall the last time they had a caliber QB, and now that they found one, he can’t stay healthy.

A few comments about TT. He has certainly shown some eye for talent and deserves praise for that, but I don’t see any rings on his fingers. And the “I don’t care what you think” personality is a double-edged sword. It’s all good when you win (Belichick for example) but it can really turn against you when things go south (see AJ Smith in San Diego). The Packers are not a franchise that could be happy with nice teams falling short every year.

by Rodgers_for_MVP on Nov 9, 2010 1:04 PM CST reply actions  

agreed

well put, agreed on all points. GB/steelers along with pats/colts are the class of the league, with the former having the history as well.

However, as a famous coach once said, lets not start sucking each others popsicles just yet. We still don’t have a playoff win in the A-Rod era. TT’s done great at bringing in young talent but our running game isn’t going to get it done once the weather turns (my opinion).

Next year will be REALLY interesting. We’ve had so many 2nd/3rd stringers step up, who do we sign/draft/trade to ensure we have a top calibre team next year? Can we maximize our assets or will we lose guys to free agency (Bishop, Hawk) and do we keep drafting a bunch of guys or move up to grab a high quality talent to fill a need (RB, OL, OLB)?

by gangstaff on Nov 9, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't think the weather turning has been a factor

We finished 7-1 in the last 8 games last year, and lost to the Cardinals in mild AZ.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 9, 2010 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Favre definitely helped bring the team back

But I think the signing of Reggie White, probably the biggest free agent signing in NFL history, is what really got us going. A big-name free agent coveted by every team in the NFL chose tiny Green Bay and single-handedly put us back on the map before he ever even played a down. Then he went out and was every bit as important to the team as Favre during the Super Bowl runs.

One thing I really liked about Favre was how he beat up on the Bears. I will always appreciate that.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 9, 2010 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I do remember Favre's presence playing a part in the Reggie White signing

But even with all of what he did considered, he hardly put Green Bay back on the map himself. It was equal parts Holmgren, Wolf, and White. Case in point, take notice how as each of those pieces left, Favre never was able to win another. He got close, but he could never seal the deal.

by Charlie Kelly on Nov 9, 2010 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

regardless...

My point on Favre and AR is that we’re on the spotlight for good because we have been able or lucky to have a great player under center for 19 some years and counting, without a single commercial interruption. Whoever can have that in NFL is usually the talk of town all the time.

by Rodgers_for_MVP on Nov 9, 2010 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I think all that has happened in terms of press converage in just that unfortunately there are better story lines then the Pack winning these games because at the start of the season they were expected to win them....

After the vikings game, more people wanted to still know about the Favre debacle, the aquiring of Randy Moss, etc…

After thepack beat the Jets, the vikings waived randy and that took all the national attention and press coverage…

Last week, after crushing Dallas which i said you would (and got told I was dumb by you guys bc it was a trap game)… Jerry world fired Phillips… which again takes all the press coverage for the whole week…

So what are you guys doing now that you have a bye week?

by supertrooper15 on Nov 9, 2010 2:51 PM CST reply actions  

...
So what are you guys doing now that you have a bye week?

Here’s what we’re doing. We’re patiently waiting for the time when we get our fair share of the limelight.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 9, 2010 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

So what are you guys doing now that you have a bye week?

What do I do during the bye week? I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for week 11.

by Rodgers_for_MVP on Nov 9, 2010 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

ISWYDTAILI.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 9, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Frank Chance?

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 11, 2010 1:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Rogers Hornsby

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Nov 11, 2010 3:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Right

I knew I had seen it in a sig line, somewhere, but couldn’t recall which of those old-time greats said it. :)

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 11, 2010 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

It's one of my favorite sports quotes

Here’s the original:

“People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.”
Rogers Hornsby

If this doesn’t make people long for the game, I don’t know what does….

by Rodgers_for_MVP on Nov 15, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Nobody longs for baseball anymore!

Its no longer America’s Favorite Pasttime!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 15, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

The only thing I long for about baseball anymore is the game that was.

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 15, 2010 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Hush, you.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Nov 15, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

As I have noted before,

Strohman is not afraid to be blunt with the truth, haha.

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 16, 2010 4:34 AM CST up reply actions  

hmm. activating James Starks!?!?! Alert the media!!! :-D I suppose releasing Harris brought on some attention though him clearing waivers probably makes that attention go away.

by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2010 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

What am I doing?

Not a God darn thing! I’m waiting for Week 11, that’s about it.

Good call with the crushing of Dallas. I didn’t witness any of the harsh remarks said to you on behalf of that, but I’m sure you received a lot of disagreements. That part doesn’t surprise me. We never expect to crush anyone because we take every game seriously and don’t let up on any opponent. In other words, we try hard not to get overconfident. That’s just us.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Nov 10, 2010 3:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Only the media,
After the vikings game, more people wanted to still know about the Favre debacle, the aquiring of Randy Moss, etc…..

and Favre’s other worshippers and idolizers consider Bertt to be bigger than the Packers, or any other team! :)

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 11, 2010 1:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll take Superbowl Victories over boring anytime.

I didn’t blame the refs for are 18 penalty debacle in Chicago, it was more the undiciplined team on the field.
  If the Vikes and dallas want all the headlines and end up missing the playoffs,(which I think is going to happen) So be it, its just good drama.
 We are kind of where we were last year coming off a couple of sub par perfomances only to come back in the second half of the season and finish strong?
Our offense looks like it found its mojo. And the Defense is playing lights out. Even our Special Teams have improved a little.
 So if boring means a Lomardi trophy so be it. Let everybody else grab the headlines.

by cheddarhead on Nov 9, 2010 3:19 PM CST reply actions  

Winning 9-0 does not mojo make... and putting up 45 points is very impressive but less impressive when you take into account it was the cowboys.

So I’d say wait until the Pack plays a good team before it can be definitively said that the mojo from last year is back… but it just might be

by supertrooper15 on Nov 9, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay, let's take into account it was the Cowboys

It was only the 2nd time in at least 20 years they have been beaten that badly. (I got tired of looking farther when I got to 1990)

by Puddleglumed on Nov 9, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Last year, in the game when the Packers got their mojo going for the regular season,

They led 3-0 after three quarters over Dallas. It was our defensive prowess that day that turned the season around, not what our offense did.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 9, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

WOH. Wait a frickin second now. Wait until the Packers have beat a good team? We beat the Jets who were the league darling (only shutout of the year mind you). We beat the Eagles who are one of the top 5 teams in the NFC (we even brought on the start of the Vick era and survived). We also beat your precious Vikings…are they a good team?

How come Viking fans think they have mojo when they haven’t beat anyone with a positive record yet but we can’t have mojo and we have??

by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2010 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   3 recs

Because....

they think the Cardinals are a good team? LOL!

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Nov 10, 2010 3:47 AM CST up reply actions  

haha no, I meant destroy a good team... absolutely the Jets win was big, but the offense did nothing in that game

so i was refering to waiting until you put up points on a good team before you say the offense has all its mojo back from last year..

by supertrooper15 on Nov 10, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

And GB's win over Dallas last year was big,

And the offense looked like crap most of that game too. A win is a win is a win.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 11, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

how often to good teams get destroyed? If they do get destroyed you no longer call them good teams…like the Cowboys. They were super bowl favs, we destroyed them but they aren’t considered good now and our win is one of the reasons. Truly good teams don’t get destroyed…at least not often.

I would argue that 9-0 against a great Jets team is a pretty good butt whooping. Do you realize how rare a shutout is in this league??

by TrevorR on Nov 12, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

this whole post was about the offense getting going again… nothing to do with overall team effort. All i said was I’d wait to declare the offense mojo back before you put up serious points against a good team. winngin 9-0 is a great win against a good team, but the offense did not do really anything (even the lowly vikes put up 20 points on them). And no the cardinals game was shit, minus the last 5 minutes. so should i say the vikes have their mojo back bc they put up 14 points in 3 minutes and #4 passed for over 120 yards in that time? absolutely not… they should have won that game by 30 points.

by supertrooper15 on Nov 10, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, it is a bit early to say our offense has all its mojo back. Opposing QBs have an average pass rating of 109.1 against Dallas so far this year. Of course 131>109, but it’s too soon to say all our mojo is back.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 10, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I am NOT at all sold on our offense being back but a game like that can really help to build confidence back up after a rough outing against the Jets! We’ll see how it looks in week 11 against your Vikes though. Should be a good test.

by TrevorR on Nov 12, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Behold,

The double standard that exists with all Vikings fans.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 11, 2010 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Why isn’t our 9-0 win impressive? The Jets have been one of the better teams in football this season. Sure, it’s the Cowboys but it’s still 45 points. That’s going to get guys excited and build confidence.

by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2010 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

aaahhh, it is impressive, but the offense did not do crap, that was all solid defense and mason crosby

like i said above, lets see if you guys put up 30-40 in weeks 11 or 12 before saying that all the mojo is back…

by supertrooper15 on Nov 10, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I suppose I should have read above before responding to your comment. I hadn’t seen that someone had said all the mojo is back. I’m not sure if it is or not too be honest. I honestly think our offense goes as the play-calling goes. If we get into trying to take a shot deep every third or fourth play, we’re going to struggle. But if we don’t, I think we’ll be fine and will end up putting up 25+ most games.

by packallday555 on Nov 10, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

for those who havent figured it out

viking fan alert

4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow

by blackoutsox on Nov 9, 2010 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Winner.

This literally made me laugh out loud.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 9, 2010 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait a minute here.

We only beat the Jets 9-0???
Shutting out a 5-1 team in their house is “not impressive,” just because it was not a two-touchdowns-or-more margin?

Seriously?

Are you kidding me?

SERIOUSLY?

Wow!

Your second paragraph, however, was spot on. :)

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 11, 2010 1:40 AM CST up reply actions  

On second thought,

maybe I missed your sarcasm font on that first paragraph, though it was plain as day on the second. :)

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 11, 2010 1:42 AM CST up reply actions  

We should beat Dallas by that much

 And the mighty vikes only beat them by 4 pts. I’m just saying thats the best I’ve seen the offense play this season, like they are on the same page. The defense does help out by shortening the field.

by cheddarhead on Nov 11, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I am, but i also like the packers, steelers and browns and colts, so whats you point?

just bc im from MN you take everyhting i say and turn it into a negative, Im pretty sure not once on this site have i said that the Vikings are the shit or they are the best NFC team, blah blah blah… bc that is a joke. Tell me in one post where I have said this team is better than that team, or anyhting. just bringing up football points bc you cant really have a good conversation over at the DN.

by supertrooper15 on Nov 10, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

well fair enough

although I dont see how one can be a packers and a vikings fan during the favre schism, but thats your risk. and I cant blame you for wanting to talk somewhere other than DN, chrissy is running it into the ground

4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow

by blackoutsox on Nov 10, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Are we there yet? I'm bored!

I hate the wait during bye-week, even though the players and the team need it right now. But the aiting til the next game is killer. AND BORING!

by Darrell L on Nov 9, 2010 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

I'm with supertrooper15

IF we beat Atlanta and the Giants, THEN we can say we’re good.

by bigbill992001 on Nov 9, 2010 5:45 PM CST reply actions  

The problem with this sort of argument

There is an assumption in this argument that you have to beat very good teams in order to be a very good team. I’m not sure I buy that. In the NFL the most important thing is winning. No team can be taken for granted.

On top of that, we have beaten good teams. Philly and the Jets are main two. I don’t know what beating ATL will do that shutting out the Jets on the road doesn’t do.

by PackApologist on Nov 9, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, downgrading the Jets win just sounds rudonculous

Nobody goes to New York to shutout the Jets. That just never happens. Certainly we could have played better on offense, but it was a defensive game against a supposedly “superior” team. If you downgrade that win, then you are saying the Jets aren’t among the best teams of the league. It’s not about how much you win by. It’s about how many games you win. That’s all that matters.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Nov 10, 2010 3:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I dont think anybody downgraded the win?

but the offense did play like absolute garbage for most of the game, and you still managed a W. That just shows how great the Defense played in that game… thats who put up the goose egg…

by supertrooper15 on Nov 10, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

You downgraded the win

You said its not a dominant win cuz the offense scored only 9 points!!! Truth be told the Packers could have scored more, but since it was such a defensive game the Packers didn’t take risks for big plays cuz the D was dominating so much!

No real fan, as you said in a comment earlier, can be a fan of one team and still like that teams primary rival!!! Your a complete fool, if you think for a second that you can like the Packers if your a vikes fan! You lose complete credibility as a fan trying to spread that load of crap!!! But then when your team in the vikes nothing you say should surprise us anymore!!!

Oh and I’ve tried to have a serious conversation at DN… Its completely impossible!!! got banned 3 years ago for saying that Rodgers was going to be a better QB than Tarvaris freakin Jackson!!! Nuff said…

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 10, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Offensivley it was not dominant... defensively it clearly was...

Yes as i stated before having a convo over there usually sucks… also how does liking two teams loose credibility? Before MN had a team everyone in MN rooted for the packers… They are a good organization, i root for them for that reason, and only no when they are playing the vikings. A real football fan can like any team because they like watching good football, bc of what you said it is clear you are not a fan of the game and just a fan of the packers… Haha you really got banned for that? that is ridiculous… i think you or I are better QBs then Tjack

by supertrooper15 on Nov 10, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

but see again with the personal attacks, why bc i like football and talking to people about football? Have been over this before, i like many teams, the viking only bc thats where I was born and currently reside. I have live in Wisc, Mass, Cali, and Ohio as well… so why is it not possible for me to like those teams as well? My best friend still lives in milwaukee and I go there all the time to watch Brewers games, is there something wrong with that too?

by supertrooper15 on Nov 10, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I beleive the point

is that’s it’s hard to trust someone claiming to be unbiased because they like both team X and team X’s biggest rival. It’s like a guy liking both the Yankees and the Red Soxs, or the Celtics and the Lakers, or the Colorado Avalanche and the Detroit Red Wings. It’s just wrong so to say, “I’m just a fan of the sport so I like these rivals because they play well”

Also coupled w/ the fact that you started out on this page talking about how the Vikings should’ve beaten GB and then point to the ref calls shows that you’re not unbiased.

Finally, whether or not Dallas is a bad team our offense still put up more points then anyone else has on them this week, so yes, we’re excited because that’s the type of play we’ve been expecting and waiting for all season long and we don’t need people like you coming here and telling us that we don’t deserve to be excited about what we just saw because it was only a weak Dallas team

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Nov 10, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I did not claim to be unbiased, just that I like to talk football while sitting at work and that i like multiple teams

Actually i dislike both the yankees and the red sox, but i like both detroit and colorado… Its not wrong to say that, if you like to watch sports and watch good teams play each other you get the most from it… I did not say MN should have won, i said the game was close despite some bad calls (both ways) and all the turnovers. I said in terms of effort (overcoming all the above) they might have had more, effort that is. Also, did not say dont be excited about the win, who wouldnt be excited about beating up on “Americas Team” that badly, MN did it last year in the playoffs. I just said that maybe the jury is still out on if the mojo is back on a struggling offense yet, thats all…

by supertrooper15 on Nov 10, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear you

I think this one might be tough for a lot of us to grasp though. Although we are all big NFL fans, we are diehard Packer fans. A diehard fan of a team would NEVER root for its rival. I don’t think it’s wrong for you to root for several teams. Like you said and admitted, you are an NFL fan over being a die hard fan of any specific team.

So that part I can go with. I have met many general NFL fans. Big difference from an NFL Fan to a diehard fan. BIG DIFFERENCE. However, I still don’t agree with a lot of your posts above though. ; )

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Nov 11, 2010 3:40 AM CST up reply actions  

When I first moved to MN I was okay with the Vikings

I halfheartedly rooted for them (or at least tried) and wholeheartedly root for them against the Bears.

But since Favre went to the Vikings to spite the Packers I just don’t think you can really root for both teams – it is one or the other. I know this because I tried. I thought to myself, “Hey, he kept us competitive for years, I should cheer for him,” but as much as I tried, it took all of one or two plays before I realized that it will be years before I can forgive Favre (and will never forget) and I can no longer cheer for the Minnesota Vikings as long as he is part of that team. Even when they play the Bears this week, I will want the Bears to lose but I will still root against Favre.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 10, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you're asking

“How does one root against Favre but still hope the Bears lose?”

Have you seen a Bears game? This is not only possibly but actually quite likely. These are the two scenarios I most hope for:

1) Vikings win in spite of Favre. AP gets 200 yards, Harvin returns a kick, Jay Cutler implodes (again). With Jay Cutler on the opposing sideline it is very possible to play poorly and still get the W.

2) Childress benching Favre and T-Jack rallying team to victory (this is my personal favorite). Sideline arguments ensue, fans call for T-Jack to start next week, Favre attempts to undermine Chilly, etc. etc.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 10, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

But maybe you're asking

“How does one ‘try’ to root for a team but fail?”

Pretty simple. You tell yourself that you will root for a player or team. You consciously cheer or make gestures of approval while watching them play (we will call this our ‘conditioned response’).
But then suddenly that team or player makes an unexpected and horrendous play, and before you can get your intended conditioned response out, your subconscious usurps your conscious and you immediately give your unconditioned response of great approval. Then you realized that, although you tried, you just couldn’t teach yourself to truly cheer for said player/team.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 10, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

The point

that you continue to dance around completely avoid is that the Jets’ D is no slouch, itself.
In fact, it is only slightly less than our own!
This was not a case of an excellent performance by the Packers’ D overcoming a sloppy performance by the O.
It was decidedly a case of an excellent performance by the Packers’ D overcoming an excellent performance by the Jets’ D!

That, in fact, is what makes for the type of low-scoring game that really is an excellent game!

And all of your criticism of the Packers O in that game is meaningless, because of it.

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 11, 2010 2:00 AM CST up reply actions  

The Jets game reminded me strongly of the Dallas game from November 2009.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 11, 2010 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Will you do this for our win over Dallas in November 2009 too?

Please let me know.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 10, 2010 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Another good point!

Even the ’62 Packers could only manage 16. :)

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 11, 2010 2:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't mean that we haven't won against some good teams

Hell, I lived in Detroit for 35 yrs. and I saw them beat some good teams. That didn’t make the Lions a good team. My point was, if we come away with wins over Atl and Giants, then we will have SEVERAL wins against good teams and no one can deny that we’re a very good team.

by bigbill992001 on Nov 12, 2010 4:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think a lot of people did what I did. Just read what you said as basically saying that our mojo overall wasn’t back as opposed to saying you don’t think these last two games proved our mojo wasn’t back on offense.

by packallday555 on Nov 10, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I heard this the other day, thought it was funny...

Clay Matthews and Superman once fought as a bet. The loser would have to start wearing his underwear on the outside of his pants

by supertrooper15 on Nov 12, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

So by this logic

If beating good teams makes you an good team… then the Cleveland Browns must be amazing… I mean heck, they beat the Patriots AND the Saints… and we know the Saints are a good team because they beat the Steelers who beat Atlanta who beat the the TB, you know the best team in the NFC.

Its a wretched argument to say that beating good teams makes you a good team… it’s consistently beating whoever you line up against that makes me a good team and so far… we’ve won 2 games for every game we’ve lost

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Nov 10, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

and yes the Pack is a very good team...

but beating teams you are supposed to beat makes you a good team. Beating teams you aren’t supposed to and consistently winning makes you a great team. right now the Packers are a very good team and would be a great team had they not lost to washington and miami, both very winnable games. I expected GB to be 7-2 or 8-1 right now at the start of the season, and at 6-3 they are pretty close to that. Now i think the schedule may get a little tougher, so it will be fun to watch how the NYG and NE games turn out, also the revenge game against the Bears.

by supertrooper15 on Nov 10, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Bears in Lambeau

I want what we did to the Cowboys to pale in comparison to what we do to the Bears.

A long time ago, when I was maybe 8 or 9, I saw Mike Ditka in an airport. To this day I will never forgive myself that I didn’t run over and kick him in the nuts! (mostly kidding)

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 10, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

haha too funny... did u get an autograph or anything?

well if u pressure cutler and the O puts up some points I would imagine a 28-7 score pretty easily

by supertrooper15 on Nov 10, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah

Anyway, I probably would have burned it after some loss to the Bears. I think my dad and I just kind of watched him and didn’t know how to act. Ditka really seems to have a lot of respect for the Bears-Packers rivalry and he was fun to hate, so what do you do?

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 10, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

You would think that, that would be the case but I swear we always have close games with the Bears for the most part. There offensive line has seemed to get progressively worse throughout the season though, which bodes well for our pass rush which has seemed to do the opposite. I think we’ll see Buluga keep starting over Tauscher too, which has seemed to be a good thing thus far.

by packallday555 on Nov 10, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

The Pack

should be 9-0 right now, IMO.

by bigbill992001 on Nov 11, 2010 2:41 AM CST up reply actions  

They easily could be if not for all the stupid penalties against the Bears, and the offense not showing up against the Dolphins and Redskins game but oh well. Seems like we’re starting to get things going now.

by packallday555 on Nov 11, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes at least 8-1

But this is the NFL shit happens! If we didn’t have all those injuries and penalties
that would be the case. But considering all we have been through I think 6-3 is darn good. Most teams losing players at those key positions would have a hard time winning, but we adapted and overcame our deficiencies. So what supertrooper15 said is true beating dallas wasn’t a big win but not a let down either. We are probably going to win or lose tight low scoring games against good teams because of losing key players. But we haven,t been blown out either example New Orleans and New England. So buckle up and enjoy the ride.

by cheddarhead on Nov 12, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

couple more plays in those three loses and we would have been. It came down to execution though and we failed. We had a chance to win all three of them and didn’t…

by TrevorR on Nov 12, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Hope your right!!!

But winning in the Dumpty Domes is no walk in the park!!! The noise and the turf make their D that much faster and harder to control… This will be the game where Clifton and Bulaga REALLY earn their money!!! If they come thru in similar fashion to the game at Lambeau then we should be good to go, but thats much harder in their house!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 12, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think beating Atlanta matters at all.

The Falcons are a good time (especially in the Dome) and they have good players and a good coach who want to win just as badly as their counterparts in yellow helmets. Split these next two, and the Packers will be in good shape for the stretch run.

by TarHeelHawk on Nov 14, 2010 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

This site is boring, I know that for sure.

based upon other SB Nation Sites

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Nov 15, 2010 7:15 PM CST reply actions  

Well, maybe if you wrote something interesting or intelligent . . .

it wouldn’t be so boring.

I watch the games to be entertained, I come here mostly for information and insight. The site editor is rational and sane, and the debate informative. If you find that boring, maybe you should try something else. Right now you sound like a kid in a bookstore browing the history or philosophy section and complaining, when really you should just be in the comics section.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 15, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

that “based upon other SB Nation Sites” was a key part of that post.
I think that Oz either meant ‘based on what they say about us on other sites, or that we don’t have some of the Vikings other teams’ drama.
Either way, it was probably meant as a good thing.

Also, by "the comics section,’ do you mean Bleacher Report, by any chance? :)

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 15, 2010 11:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh. Oops.

My apologies to OznCoop then. But he’s apparently a fan of Ozzie Guillen, so I’m sure he understands that sometimes people speak before they think things through (just kidding).

Sorry, OznCoop, didn’t mean to get all pissy!

NorthStarr – I’m not familiar with Bleacher Report, but I get the feeling that I shouldn’t bother to pick it up if I do see it. . . .

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 16, 2010 12:26 AM CST up reply actions  

eh, sometimes Hendry doesnt think before he acquires horrible contracts

happens to all of us

4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow

by blackoutsox on Nov 16, 2010 1:02 AM CST up reply actions  

A whole lotta

less-than-intelligent discussion over there, compared to here, IMO.
Which is not to say that there are not some intelligent people posting and commenting there; they just seem to be outnumbered.

Plus, there are some other things about it that make it an inferior site to this one.
For instance, they reportedly discourage post-game analysis! (reported by one of their ‘feature writers’)

I still go there; jusy not nearly as much as I used to, and only when I exhaust myself of things to say and do here.

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 16, 2010 4:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Shoulda said 'we'.

We just seem to be outnumbered.

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 16, 2010 4:37 AM CST up reply actions  

APC is boring, but in a good way

As the others mentioned, we don’t have any drama. No players stiring things up in the media. Brandon, the site owner, doesn’t get his personal feelings mixed in with his writing. He tells you how it is, gives you the facts, and that is that. He leaves it to the rest of us to discuss it. Sometimes in heated debates over a difference of opinion or over an overly used number of explanation marks. That’s as exciting as it gets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Nov 16, 2010 7:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Cheers for Brandon

Even after a couple bad losses he kept it reasonable and didn’t get all emotional. Thanks for staying classy Brandon!

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 16, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup have to totally agree

I really have grown to love APC and have to give Brandon tons of cred. It’s nice to have a head blogger who will do some analysis, some opinion, some conjecture, but really keep a level and professional tone about it all.

Also it’s good to have a moderator who moderates. That’s huge and it means a lot to me to have him take as step back and let us have the fun slinging dirt and posting nonsense while he takes a restrained approach and lets us have our fun.

Kudos to you!

by PackApologist on Nov 16, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Congratulations

for Strohing EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!

Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Dang!!!

Stroh’d™!!!

Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Really... LMFAO

And how’d you get that TM in there? THats awesome!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Nov 16, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

(tm)

but in the text, not the subject line.

Like this™.

Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 9:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure how it'll work in the signature...

Sorry man…

Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Instead of typing (tm)

Try copying and pasting the TM character from one of the messages into your sig

by Danwood on Nov 17, 2010 6:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm.

Stroh’d™!

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 18, 2010 7:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Didn't work

BLAS™.

Need to put a space between the word and the TM part.

by Bush League All Star on Nov 16, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

BOS™

4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow

by blackoutsox on Nov 17, 2010 12:40 AM CST up reply actions  

VCF

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 18, 2010 7:31 AM CST up reply actions  

VCF™

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 18, 2010 7:31 AM CST up reply actions  

NS™!!!

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 19, 2010 1:19 AM CST up reply actions  

OBSimH©

Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 19, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

heyooo

4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow

by blackoutsox on Nov 19, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Just to set the record straight

By no means did I mean to imply that I want the drama. Good riddence to it! Like many of you, I prefer a thing called winning…and team chemistry…and a classy organization…and a long range plan….and well…..the Green Bay Packers.

Really this whole piece was just a fed up part of me hearing how everyone loves the Packers when really the national media loves a story and not any one team. This was my attempt at a manifesto to try and point that out and debunk the whole “Packer media bias.”

by PackApologist on Nov 16, 2010 4:09 PM CST reply actions  

Thank you, Brandon

for keeping these comments open beyond a week, in light of the continuing conversations.

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 18, 2010 1:39 AM CST reply actions  

Honestly

Sorry to be showing up late, but I think most of the complaints that were about this subject were to the point that every one consistantly thinks Green Bay or the Cowboys will be superbowl bound in the preseason. That is pretty annoying, and as a fan I would even find it annoying if they did it to my team.

As for the reason you aren’t getting any attention now, well it doesn’t take much to figure that out. The Vikes are spectacularly imploding. The Sterger affair, the Moss Fiasco, Childress being a completel douche nozzle, the team maybe not even being in Minnesota, Rice refusing to play for a losing team, star caps, harvin getting into fights with the freaken coach the list goes on. Trust me I would be more than happy for that crap storm to be in your laps instead of ours. It’s gotten to the point where 70% of discussions at DN are non football related. Rediculous. Then you have the Cowboys -nuff said… Between these two teams there isn’t enough air time for anything else. Hell I WISH it would stop, it’s tough being a Viking fan right now lot of ridicule for the team.

Anyway enjoy your season I have a feeling you’ll go a long way into the play offs this year.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Nov 18, 2010 2:52 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I'd also like the Super Bowl predictions to go away

The Packers seem to play better when no one expects them to. Also, having everyone talk about how great you are only fires up the other team while often making the highly rated team overconfident.

"We've got Hank Baskett"

by I voted for Kodos on Nov 18, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

The thing you have to remember is
most of the complaints that were about this subject were to the point that every one consistantly thinks Green Bay or the Cowboys will be superbowl bound in the preseason. That is pretty annoying, and as a fan I would even find it annoying if they did it to my team.

SB predictions are always made.
Every year it is somebody.
It is almost as inevitable as death and taxes.

It has been a while now since the small list of ‘somebodies’ for a given year has included the Packers.
In fact, the Vikings have been among the SB faves more recently than the Packers have, prior to this year. (Last year, anybody?)

In short, it comes around, and it goes around, and we don’t like it any more when all the hype is for the Vikings and/or the Bears (who are still who we thought they were, BTW) than you do when it is for the Packers.

And, I agree.
I am happy with flying under the radar.

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Nov 19, 2010 1:34 AM CST up reply actions  

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