Packer Notes: Playoff Picture and Even More Injuries

by Brandon on Dec 1, 2010 7:01 AM CST in Green Bay Packers News

Although the Green Bay Packers have played 11 games, it's still too early to look at the playoff picture. A lot of teams rise and fall in the final five weeks. Heck, some teams rise and fall in the final week. Kevin Seifert points out all you need to know: the Packers still control their own destiny. Win out, and they win the NFC North.

Packers.com reports that two more players have been placed on I.R. Both players had already been declared out for next week. The remaining question is what will the Packers do with the two available roster spots? Here's a look at the two players that are done for the year:

LB Brandon Chillar. I couldn't come up with a bad contract handed out by GM Ted Thompson, and shaftr suggested it's Chillar. I don't know if I agree, I'll want to see how he comes back next season, but there's no doubt that 2010 has been a lost season. He's barely played since he injured his shoulder in September (though originally it was just a strain), so I don't feel like their losing much at this point. While Chillar was never a starter, he was expected to replace LB A.J. Hawk on passing downs and take more snaps then him.

TE Spencer Havner. Apparently the Packers were set to re-sign Havner right after the Lions released him in October, but he was released by the Lions in the first place because he had an injured hamstring. They waited until he was healthy, but were only able to use him for one game before he re-injured his hamstring. The report at Packers.com said he "suffered a hamstring injury" vs. the Falcons, but it would seem likely that this is the same one. They have TE Tom Crabtree and TE Donald Lee to replace him, but it might have been nice to see if he could have become a red zone option like he was last season.

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why with atlanta on gb 10 yard line, two min left in half did mccarthy not use time outs to give gb a chance in two min offense a chance to score before half time……also would not have that last time out been better spent saving a little time at the end of the game rather than trying to ice the kicker…really has that ever worked… not to mention his lame excuse for not challenging the forth down conversion…i saw enough on the live catch to throw a challenge flag… ask my wife she heard me screaming at the tv for them to challenge…..i believe a good choch in green bay could have won 4 or 5 super bowls in last 15 years with the teams weve had… mccarthy isnt that good….

by madic on Dec 1, 2010 9:08 AM CST reply actions

Well let's start from the top

why with atlanta on gb 10 yard line, two min left in half did mccarthy not use time outs to give gb a chance in two min offense a chance to score before half time

2nd-6, GB26 1:55 M. Ryan passed to T. Gonzalez down the middle for 21 yard gain
1st-5, GB5 1:11 M. Turner rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss
2nd-6, GB6 0:40 M. Turner rushed to the left for 2 yard gain
3rd-4, GB4 0:08 M. Ryan passed to T. Gonzalez down the middle for 4 yard touchdown. M. Bryant made PAT. Green Bay committed 15 yard penalty

It looks like we were planning an stopping them and holding them to a FG… plus lets be completely honest… if we use timeouts here, then we’re looking at going 80 yards in under a minute w/ 0 timeouts… Now I know we’re pretty good on offense, but I think that’s a little hard to expect… Is there a case to be made for using… sure… but its not a no brainer by any means

also would not have that last time out been better spent saving a little time at the end of the game rather than trying to ice the kicker…really has that ever worked

I’m assuming you mean would it be worth having the timeout when we get the ball back w/ 8 seconds left… after the return I think it was like 2 or 3… the answer is NO… 2-3 seconds is enough to do 1 play… if the play is over with enough time to call a TO, you’re not in any better and are probably in worse position then before… and at some point icing the kicker has worked or else it wouldn’t be done EVERY week… Bryant nailed the first kick and was forced to do it again, I think that puts this team in the best chance to win then holding onto a timeout for your last 2 seconds of game time personally

not to mention his lame excuse for not challenging the forth down conversion…i saw enough on the live catch to throw a challenge flag… ask my wife she heard me screaming at the tv for them to challenge

I don’t know what you did or not, but they I saw it play out on TV was a close call ruled a catch… the first replay showed it looking pretty clear to be a catch and the next few showed it as inconclusive (since the original call was catch there wasn’t enough to overturn it)… So in the replays they got to see between the plays, there wasn’t any evidence or really thought that would have challenging make sense… Plus people accuse MM of challenging plays he doesn’t like as opposed to good ones… If there was any doubt I’m sure he throws the flag… so based on that how is saying, “We didn’t have enough evidence” a lame excuse? (If you want more on this look up the arguments on some other threads that Danwood and I have had w/ some others)

i believe a good choch in green bay could have won 4 or 5 super bowls in last 15 years with the teams weve had… mccarthy isnt that good

Relevance? MM has been here since 2006… that puts him in his 5th year as a coach… I’m not saying he’s a great coach and I have issues w/ his playcalling at times (as do most people here) but just saying he hasn’t won the big game isn’t a reason for that… He went 8-8 off of Mike Shermans 4-12 year (twice as many wins)… then 13-3 and lost in the NFCCG because Brett was just being Brett in OT… then had the bad 6-10 year mainly due to the defense which he fixed in the offseason (Hello Dom) and then 11-5 and in the playoffs and then… that to me isn’t a bad coach

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 1, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs

So that was a lot longer then I expected

sorry bout that everyone lol

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 1, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions

Don't apologize

That was a great post.

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Dec 1, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions

NFC title game.

“lost in the NFCCG because Brett was just being Brett in OT”

Al Harris was abused. The OL did not do a good job. The defensive front got pushed around. But of course it’s all on Favre.

Plug in he who can do no wrong for Favre and you still get a L in that game.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Dec 1, 2010 8:36 PM CST up reply actions

I'm not saying we were flawless outside of Favre

but despite the fact that we played a pretty bad game, we still had the ball in Brett’s hands and a chance to win the the game and he threw an unacceptable INT (just like he did last year in Minny)

The fact is neither you nor I know how that game turns out if Favre isn’t in and that’s not what I’m even trying to talk about… the point I was making was that saying MM is a bad coach because he hasn’t won a Super Bowl is ridiculous when he coached them to the NFCCG

And lets be honest… it is Brett being Brett… he makes bad choices when trying to win games and sometimes loses them for the team… what it is now… 3 straight years his last pass has been an INT?

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 1, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions

Agree and disagree

Agree that MM is a mediocre coach and I think he deserves to go even if we make the playoffs and are one and done.
Don’t see anything moronic on his management of pre half-time 2 minutes (like Goldenarmadillo said he was playing to stop em to a FG). Also, have no issues with him icing the kicker, that works better than saving a timeout with 8 seconds left.
I do agree partially on the challenge. A good coach AT LEAST TAKES A TIMEOUT after Gonzo’s non-catch just to have a good look at it. He had three so he could afford to burn one just to see and regroup.
MM’s biggest fault is his mediocre play-calling which ultimately cost us the game. Can’t put too much on that though cause it’s the best he can do. So this team has to win IN SPITE OF ITS HC’S SHORTCOMINGS not BECAUSE OF ITS HC’S GREATNESS.
I wholeheartedly agree that this team would have been multiple SB winner had Holmgren stayed or had a coach of his caliber taken over this team. People here will always try to quickly pin 2003 and 2007 on Favre, but I think poor, predictable, and non-gutsy coaching was a bigger reason for losing both those nail biters.

by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 1, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions

Holmgren Left of his own volition almost 15 yrs ago!!! Get over it...

He’s not perfect, but then I’m guessing your not perfect at your job either! But, and I’m extending a guess here, your still employed aren’t you?!!

Gutsy, like the onside kick in the 2nd half of the Cards playoff game that got us back in it!!!

Your going off the deep end!!! Correction… You ARE off the Deep End!!!

You've been Stroh'd™!!!

by Strohman on Dec 1, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Coaching a team assembled to win the SB is not just a job

Strohman, you have to agree that MM has to go if this team does not reach at least the NFC championship game this year. He can go and coach the Cleveland Browns. We need a winner.

by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 1, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions

Not Hardly!

Not w/ 13 players on IR. Including at least 5 starters!!! McCarthy has a winning record despite having the youngest team in the NFL year after year after year!

The Teams that win in the playoffs generally have 3 things in common.
1. Continuity at the top of the organization… Owner, GM, HC…
2. Have a postiive turnover margin. Its the single largest determining factor in games!
3. Have very few injured starters and key contributors missing the season or most of it…

So NO, emphatically NO… I don’t see any reason the Packers should fire McCarthy!!!

You've been Stroh'd™!!!

by Strohman on Dec 1, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

Possibly if we fail to make the playoffs

but if we make it in there’s no question and I doubt theres a big question if we don’t make.

As Stroh said, no matter what he gets a reprieve based solely on the injury factor. However there are two things that MM could do that would make him a much better coach and they are in no particular order

1. Hire an offensive coordinator to call plays… he needs to focus on coaching on Sunday… not coaching and calling plays
2. Shawn Slocum’s gotta go

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 1, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions

If anything.

The job he’s done and is doing despite the injuries cements his status as the HC. Its pretty remarkable that the Packers are even in the playoff hunt w/ the number of injuries he’s had to deal with… I don’t think his job is in danger anytime in the near future! It would take a complete meltdown this year and next for him to get fired!!! And I don’t see it happening in the least…

You've been Stroh'd™!!!

by Strohman on Dec 1, 2010 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Agree

I was critical of the non-challenge on 4th down in the Falcons game, but I actually like Mike McCarthy a lot. I don’t think he is mediocre and I don’t really agree with the widely held belief that his play calling is suspect. (My only beef with the play calling is not enough rushing.) If Ryan Grant (or some other capable running back) were playing this year, I think our offense would be damn near impossible to stop. The fact that we still have a very good offense is primarily a tribute to Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers. However, I agree that MM should give up calling the offensive plays because I just don’t like that model.

Multiple Super Bowl winner? Apparently the success of teams like the Patriots have duped you into thinking these things are easy to win. And the Patriots haven’t won it since the 2004 season, so what’s their excuse? Yes, the Packers have underperformed since Holmgren left and some of that has been due to poor coaching. But Super Bowls? Maybe I should smoke what you’re smoking!

by Ben T on Dec 1, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions

Agree

About the OC calling the plays. Something I brought up on another thread! Not that I think he’s a poor playcaller, but I like the model of the HC being more of a manager and not worrying about calling the plays! I don’t see it happening tho… I think McCarthy like calling offensive games to much to give up!

You've been Stroh'd™!!!

by Strohman on Dec 1, 2010 8:07 PM CST up reply actions

And to the contrapositive, for just theory-crafting...

Not suggesting he will, but let’s just say he makes the playoffs and goes on to win the Superbowl? With the 13 players on IR and 5 starters—as Stroh said—what do you suggest we do then?

by Bush League All Star on Dec 1, 2010 10:22 PM CST up reply actions

Isn't that what we all are rooting for?

read my post above. This team will be winning in spite of MM, not because of MM. The evidence that he’s not that sharp of a coach is there and defending against that is proving harder and harder. He’s not a bad guy, maybe not a bad coach either, but I’m sick and tired of putting together SB contending teams for most of 13 years and coming away empty. We are not a freaking expansion franchise, we are the team that is supposed to win titles. And having another season go down the drain because the coach can’t cut it is just frustrating.

by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 1, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions

This team will be winning in spite of MM, not because of MM.

Teams don’t win in spite of bad coaches for long! The players soon realize that the HC isn’t getting the job done adequately and the players then quit on the coach! See Vikings circa 2009 and 2010!!! THat isn’t the case in GB… The players love playing for him, respect him as the authoritative figure on the team and in the lockerroom. If they didn’t think he was a good HC we would be seeing signs of distention coming out of the lockerroom and there isn’t even a hint of anything resembling that, quite the opposite actually!!!!

Attempt to get McCarthy fired?… Complete FAIL!!!

You've been Stroh'd™!!!

by Strohman on Dec 2, 2010 12:09 AM CST up reply actions

I hate to be the one saying "I told you so"

I’m really hoping that doesn’t happen…

by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 2, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions

No one

hates saying I told you so… most people love doing it… but I don’t know why people are saying McCarthy is a bad coach because GB hasn’t won a Super Bowl in 10+ years… MM has been here for 5… so stop bringing up crap from BEFORE him, he wasn’t making us lose during the Sherman and Rhodes and end of the Holmgren era.

Furthermore, 1 team a year wins the Big game… just 1 and it’s usually the team that stays the healthiest throughout the year… Has Bill Bellichek been a bad coach the past 5 years… he hasn’t won a Super bowl so he must be right?!?

Look this is to everyone… if you want to think McCarthy is a bad coach and want to try and validate your argument… don’t use the he hasn’t won a super bowl crap argument

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 2, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions

Mike McCarthy

seems to do a good job developing talent (see: Rodgers, Aaron, et al). He has taken lots of young players and developed them into a competitive team – even with 13 players on IR. Is he perfect? Of course not. And yes, sometimes his playcalling drives me crazy, and I’d also like to see a new special teams coach.

But his players love him, they show up for voluntary offseason workouts at rates that make other coaches green with envy. And I think that’s a big part of the reason that this team has remained competitive through all these injuries. He’s pretty good at exploiting matchups. And he seems to know when to delegate responsibility pretty well (see: Capers, Dom), though I think Strohman is right in that MM should call fewer plays and do more ‘game managing.’ But I also think that our running game is only functional because teams key so much on our pass, so I’m not sure running more would really help very much.

I don’t think teams can win 10-11 games in spite of their coach, no matter how talented they are. We won 11 last year, we’ll probably get 10-11 this year. I think continuity is important, so I think it’s worth giving him more time to improve before declaring that he’s a bad coach.

53 Bears, 1 Cup

by I voted for Kodos on Dec 2, 2010 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

The only thing that really needs a comment on this

is the running game.

Having a mediocre run game (not even a good one) would do wonders for the offense as a whole. I could do a whole post on how it’d help but I think the 2 biggest benefits it has would be keeping the defense as a whole more honest… and more importantly keeping the D-line more honest.

1. The defense (linebackers) don’t really need to play the run allowing them to drop more people in coverage and taking away a lot of the deep threat… it also would make them consider defending the run on some of 3rd and shorts we always pass on (we could still pass… but the defense would have to play both pass and run)

2. The d-line right now doesn’t really need to focus on plugging gaps and tackling a runner… this allows them to more or less push their guy around and go right for Aaron making him run and be less accurate… if we had a run game the d-line would have to worry about gap/lane assignments and making that tackle and wouldn’t be able to essentially straight out rush Aaron

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 2, 2010 11:52 PM CST up reply actions

Re: Running Game

I didn’t mean to say a more effective running game wouldn’t help our team. I mean to say that using the run more wouldn’t really help our team.

Some people on this site have been arguing that our yards per attempt is pretty good, and therefore we should run more. I think that our running game gets decent numbers only because defenses don’t play against our run at all. They don’t have to spend much time gameplanning for it, linemen can fire upfield without worrying about gap control, linebackers and safeties don’t bite on the play fake, etc. etc. I think that if we ran more our yards per carry would go down, and Aaron Rodgers would get fewer passing attempts.

I’d gladly have the Packers prove me wrong, though.

53 Bears, 1 Cup

by I voted for Kodos on Dec 4, 2010 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Ahhh

fair enough and excellent point all around then :-D

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 4, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions

Again, I'm not saying he's a bad coach

I’m just saying that he’s not a winner. MM looks more like Wade Phillips out there than Bill Belichick. Players loved Phillips by all accounts, but he was a mediocre coach too and lost his job. McCarthy has proven over and over that he’s not a coach to be trusted in pressure situations. To tell you the truth, I am not that confident watching him on the sidelines. I have a feeling that most times he’s gonna do the wrong thing when pressure peaks in critical plays. I am 100 pct confident in Rodgers, yes, but not in coach McCarthy. For example, this past Sunday I don’t think McCarthy designed the 4th and long game -tying TD to Jordy. That was all #12, and I was convinced he would have found a window like he did.
I am not using “he hasn’t won a SB argument” to validate my opinion. Again, I am not saying he’s bad either, but I have the big concern and worry that he’s not gonna make a difference when a difference needs to be made and coaching has to tip the balance of a tight game. That, folks, is my beef with McCarthy. And I’m gonna use all caps whether a few like it or not cause I want to emphasize this not cause I like yelling: SHOW ME THAT YOU, MIKE, NOT AARON, NOT THE D, CAN WIN A BIG GAME, SHOW ME THAT YOU CAN MAKE THE DIFFERENCE WHEN THE PRESSURE IS ON. Then, maybe, I might change my opinion.

by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 3, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions

Wade

Apparently Wade Phillips players didn’t like or respect him enough!!! Since he got fired, for the 2nd time as HC?, I think, the same team he had has played far better than they ever did for him this year!

McCarthy always has the respect of his players and there has never been even a hint of anything to the contrary! Your argument is getting weaker every time you try to defend it… Now you are left w/ nothing but your FEELINGS about McCarthy to stand on!!! Pretty shaky ground!!!

You've been Stroh'd™!!!

by Strohman on Dec 3, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions

I gotta disagree w/ this

SHOW ME THAT YOU, MIKE, NOT AARON, NOT THE D, CAN WIN A BIG GAME, SHOW ME THAT YOU CAN MAKE THE DIFFERENCE WHEN THE PRESSURE IS ON.

It’s not the coaches job to win the game… It’s players out there that play the game and are supposed to win the games not the guy on the sidelines

I actually think MM does a great job coaching this team and preparing them for the 2 minute drill/drive… it’s the beginning of the games that I have issues w/ most of the time

And I’ll say it here, the coaches job is prepare the team and put them in the best possible situations to in games… seeing as how we’ve yet to lose a game by anything then a last second FG, I’d say he’s done a good job of putting us in the position to win games… the team on the field just hasn’t executed very well at times

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 3, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

I don't believe what you just said

That is like saying….it’s not the Captain’s fault that Titanic hit the iceberg and sunk, he prepared it and put it in the best possible situation, it’s the ship that has to find a way around the iceberg.

It is very much a coach’s job to win games, in any sport and not just football. The world of sports is filled with mediocre teams which defeated the biggest odds (2001 Pats come to mind) or star-studded outfits that were declared winners before championships started and crashed and burned – just because of coaching decisions.

Look, we can go back and fourth on this topic but for me the coach is more important to a football team than any player, and his decision making is the biggest reason championships are won or lost. It’s not the performance of the players, or the health of the team – it’s the coach’s decision making.

by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 3, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions

Not sure I can agree w/ much said there

That is like saying….it’s not the Captain’s fault that Titanic hit the iceberg and sunk, he prepared it and put it in the best possible situation, it’s the ship that has to find a way around the iceberg.

I’d compare the coach more to the guy who set up the initial navigation route… He gave them what seemed like the best possible route and it was the Captain (QB’s) job to get it done

As far as the coaching and the 2001 pats… BB made the call to go for the FG at the end of regulation instead of playing for overtime… Tom Brady and the rest of offense are the ones that made it happen (ST and Vinatari as well)

Lets say things turned out differently and Tom throws an INT on that drive… who would take the blame for the loss… the coach or the players

It’s up to the coaches to make the calls and prepare the team to put them in the best situation to win… once they are there though… the PLAYERS have to execute

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 3, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions

Goldenarmadillo4 with the analogy win

I also agree it’s the coach’s job to put the team in the position to win and the players’ job to execute. Obviously neither has been perfect for the Packers this year, but I’m not buying your argument.

53 Bears, 1 Cup

by I voted for Kodos on Dec 4, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions

Not worried in the least that you'll be say "I told you so..."

You've been Stroh'd™!!!

by Strohman on Dec 2, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

You didn't answer the question though...

by Bush League All Star on Dec 2, 2010 12:42 AM CST up reply actions

using caps makes my argument more believable

4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow

by blackoutsox on Dec 1, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions

another theory

I think it’s designed as a convenience for people that don’t want to read the whole damn thing. They can get the Cliffs Notes version by reading the CAPS!

by Ben T on Dec 1, 2010 4:53 PM CST up reply actions

I think its designed to give me a headache

4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow

by blackoutsox on Dec 1, 2010 8:04 PM CST up reply actions

Couple Things

For starters, a great coaching decision would have been to challenge the Gonzo catch because of the situation and little time remaining in the half. I agree with that much. However, how many coaches would have done that? You can’t just say that because McCarthy didn’t do it he’s a bad coach, because it’s a very difficult decision. He does tend to challenge plays that are clearly executed by opponents, now he missed one. It sucks, but there’s nothing we can do about it. I’m sure he’s aware of it.

McCarthy is a young coach, but a good coach. He’s just not a great coach. He’s better than the average coach, and you know that. The question is: Has McCarthy reached his plateau? Will he always just be a good coach or will he take another step in his career to become a great coach? Only time will tell. If he goes on to coach somewhere else and wins a Superbowl, I will guarantee that you and the rest of us will be EXTREMELY pissed off.

I don’t know what you’re trying to get at with the “last 15 years” remark. McCarthy has only been here since 2006. Before McCarthy we had Sherman who failed miserably in Offseason decisions…such as drafting. Before him was Ray Rhodes, who indeed was a bad coach taking a playoff contending team and turning them into an 8-8 team. I think if McCarthy at least makes the playoffs this year with so many players on IR, that is an impressive feat. He is afterall the one responsible for bringing in a great coaching staff, featuring guys like Capers, Trygovac, Greene, and Perry. Overall, I and a lot of us here still don’t know what to make of McCarthy. I think most of us will agree though that he is a “good” Head Coach, just not a great one.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Dec 1, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions

I'm going to ask your wife...

Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.

by snibbodmot on Dec 1, 2010 11:00 AM CST reply actions

Is it official yet?

Can we fill a full team roster with all the people on IR?

Also, how fruitful was it to speculate on Havner at all this season? I don’t recall seeing him out on the field vs. the Falcons. Must have missed it. Wonder if he was ready to play or if the TE was situation really so dire, he was rushed out a bit too early.

"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi

by AdamA on Dec 1, 2010 11:08 AM CST reply actions

Chillar wasn't a bad sign

Everybody would be a genius if they knew who was going to get hurt and who wasn’t.

by Curly Lambeau on Dec 1, 2010 11:49 AM CST reply actions

I was wrong

I wasn’t a fan of the Chillar signing, but Poppinga is definitely worse.

rmlumley.com

by shaftr on Dec 1, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions

Agreed. On top of that, Chillar has been pretty good in his time with us. He has been injured quite a bit with us though, or at least it seems that way.

by packallday555 on Dec 1, 2010 8:25 PM CST up reply actions

This is straight from the packers transaction page

12/01/2010 LB Robert Francois and CB Josh Gordy signed to active roster from practice squad; WR Terrance Smith and LB/DE Curtis Young signed to practice squad

by JDub37 on Dec 1, 2010 3:34 PM CST reply actions

1 roster spot open..

So now GO FIND BATMAN & sign him immediately..
I don’t care if he is old & lost a step or 5..
he is cetainly better than everything we have on the current roster..
And oh yea ..he will pass block too..

by 1rarebird on Dec 1, 2010 4:21 PM CST reply actions

James Starks ot active roster? please.

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Dec 1, 2010 4:45 PM CST reply actions

Chillar

Always half a step slow. Poppinga Always a step and a half slow

by Wade V on Dec 1, 2010 4:46 PM CST reply actions

I went to the bank today, and on the way saw this.

Figured I’d have to share this classic photo with you.

This is less than 3 minutes from the Dome.

by StephanL on Dec 1, 2010 5:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

on another note

I heard this is the week that the packers are wearing the old throwback jersys… can anyone confirm this?

shut the front door!

by arodgb on Dec 1, 2010 6:27 PM CST reply actions

This is true.

They will wear the home throwback against the 49ers this weekend.

by StephanL on Dec 1, 2010 6:37 PM CST up reply actions

arent those blue?

4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow

by blackoutsox on Dec 1, 2010 8:04 PM CST up reply actions

I got me a Rodgers throwback jersey in September

Been waitin’ for this game to wear it down to the sports bar where I go to watch the Pack. :)

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Dec 2, 2010 1:33 AM CST up reply actions

yeah I found a pic

shut the front door!

by arodgb on Dec 1, 2010 8:08 PM CST reply actions

EEEEEEK!

by Bush League All Star on Dec 1, 2010 10:23 PM CST up reply actions

Ugh...

Anthony Tolliver says "Get that weak stuff outta here!"

EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Omaha Sun on Dec 1, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions

I don't mind the throwback craze...

but those are just atrocious.

Here is the link of the uniforms from the past. You can also click the blogspot link to see more in-depth stuff apparently.

They are nowhere near this dump though…

by Bush League All Star on Dec 1, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions

Actually, for throwbacks, they really aren't bad

especially given that these ones are replicas of the Pack’s 1929 jerseys, to honor the team that won the first of the Pack’s record 12 World Championships!

I, for one, tip my cheesehead to Curly and that team.

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Dec 2, 2010 1:41 AM CST up reply actions

I do too.

But I just never understand the modern interpretation of…

Nvm…I am arguing about a freakin’ jersey! Stopped myself in time. :D

by Bush League All Star on Dec 2, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions

The best thing just happened to me today

I got my poor mans Ray Nitschke jersey in the mail… A custom longsleeve tee with his name and number… I really can’t wait to wear it.

Goooooo-mez!

by Drew C on Dec 1, 2010 10:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions

Then don't.

Throw that sucker on now and ear it all week.

Anthony Tolliver says "Get that weak stuff outta here!"

EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Omaha Sun on Dec 1, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

Rec'd

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Dec 2, 2010 1:44 AM CST up reply actions

Green'd

Wear with undershirt and you never have to clean your Packers gear!

53 Bears, 1 Cup

by I voted for Kodos on Dec 2, 2010 10:30 PM CST up reply actions

If you want to green it,

you’ve got to rec’d it, IVFK :)

TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!

by NorthStarr on Dec 3, 2010 1:28 AM CST up reply actions

I’m pretty sure I rec’d it but I might’ve wrecked my rec!

53 Bears, 1 Cup

by I voted for Kodos on Dec 4, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions

Coaching?

This post was pretty much an injury report, and the comments instantly reverted to “is MM brain dead or simply mediocre?”

Look guys, I’m kind of a long-distance fan, so I don’t keep up with every nuance, but to the “fire McCarthy” crowd I would ask: and hire who?

I’m not a big MM defender; I think there’s plenty of evidence that he isn’t the second coming of Lombardi. But really, using 20-20 hindsight to criticize a NON-obvious NON-challenge before halftime is stretching credibility. BEAT the other guys, don’t try to sneak in with an accounting trick. And, for sure, don’t obsess about missed accounting tricks when you happen to lose one. Play better.

Criticisms of McCarthy because special teams have been, let’s say, less than stellar, are entirely appropriate, because it’s a trend, not a one-off.

I’m 63, so I’ve been a Packer fan for what? 53 years or so. I don’t get very deep into football arcana; I don’t play fantasy; I’ve never played a football video game. I just watch games, and sometimes watch/read commentary. We’ve had worse coaches, you know.

For me, the biggest knock on MM/TT this year is the failure to acquire a decent RB, or adjust to the absence. There really weren’t a lot of credible RBs available, but it’s taken too long to recognize that the existing backs are not currently adequate, and to roll out 5-receiver sets and no-huddle.

Sadly, without a running game, the Pack are not a strong SB contender this year. But they should be scary to any opponent. I don’t think a re-match in the Georgia Dome for the NFC Championship is out of the question. In this, I join other commenters who have pointed out that, right now, with our running game, we maybe don’t want to have any home games in the playoffs.

I think I’m dithering. As a long time resident of the SF Bay Area, and a provisional fan of the 49ers (as long as their success doesn’t adversely affect the Pack), I’d like to ask the team to flatten the Niners on Sunday, and put them out of their limbo-like misery in the NFC West, where it’s beginning to look like a 7-9 record will win the division.

Cheers.

by bob47 on Dec 2, 2010 2:19 AM CST reply actions 3 recs

dammit bob47

i was the resident old guy on this blog——-you win.

it’s always easier to criticize the coach instead of the players. players always get passes before coaches—-i.e miami heat. i don’t agree with it, coaches coach and the players play. i tend to blame the players before the coaches but that’s just me.

Lovie smith was on the hot seat this year—-why? because he was losing. this year, the team is wining more games and you don’t hear those rumblings. did he finally remember how to coach again? or are the players playing better and not making mistakes(cutler) and executing better?

it’s a ying/yang thing or a generation gap.

by hermitcrab on Dec 2, 2010 9:16 AM CST up reply actions