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Is It Time To Bench Donald Driver?

Is it time for the Green Bay Packers to bench veteran WR Donald Driver? I had thought about this topic a couple days ago when I read the Quick Reads at Football Outsiders, which noted that Driver was the worst receiver of week 14. But now I see JSOnline has beaten me to the punch.

Here are his game stats since he returned from his quad injury:

Receptions Targets Yards Touchdowns
Vikings 4 7 31 0
Falcons 2 3 26 0
49ers 4 8 73 1
Lions 2 9 12 0

With the exception of his long touchdown reception against the 49ers, he's either made no impact or had a negative one. All those negative pass attempts thrown his way could be sent to someone like WR Jordy Nelson or WR James Jones, who have been outplaying Driver for the past few games. Does anyone want to stand up for Driver, or should we agree he's nothing more than a 4th or 5th receiver at this point?

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I would like a further review

He’s still shifty, he’s still quick (not fast, but quick), and he’s still got some moves. I would like to put the spotlight on him and figure out why he hasn’t been getting these catches. I wouldn’t want to make a rash decision here. It’s best to pinpoint the reason and work off that. If I’m wrong about his quickness, then maybe. I think the team needs to look at Driver more and find out what’s going on.

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by Jabooty on Dec 16, 2010 4:26 PM CST reply actions  

Sorry, MM didn't throw the challenge flag

It’s unfortunate that it wasn’t within the 2 minute warning

by Danwood on Dec 16, 2010 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Top recievers...

Occasionally go through rough patches. The long catch in the 49ers game was the best effort i’ve seen a reciever put into a play in a while. Benching him would say that he’s done, and he’s not. Last year and in years past, we’ve used more of a slant game. This year, that has seem to gone by the wayside. I’d agree with Jabooty that this seems like a rash decision right now, needs more analysis

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by ilovethegbpackers on Dec 16, 2010 4:29 PM CST reply actions  

Donald Driver

Donald Driver is still able to play and contribute, albeit in a reduced role. He is a Class Act all the way who will help develop younger receivers as his opportunities are diminished. And unlike so many of his selfish peers in the NFL, Donald will never complain, but will just contribute to the Packers to the best of his ability.

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by RBRC on Dec 16, 2010 6:18 PM CST reply actions  

+1

If he becomes a locker-room cancer, you can always reconsider his position within the team. But when you’ve got young WRs around who can learn off a very productive WR, having him on board is an asset above and beyond what he does on the field.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 17, 2010 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep, he never struck me as the type

I’m just hyper-attuned to it after all the “why did NE get rid of Randy Moss” ramblings of a few months back.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 17, 2010 6:14 AM CST up reply actions  

DD

he’s a starter in my book
with jennings getting all the attention how many can go his way, there is still only one football

by fn_cold_ak on Dec 16, 2010 7:08 PM CST reply actions  

Injured?

Is he fully recovered? Listen we need our best against the Pats and if that means playing Nelson or Jones than so be it.

by joeybal56 on Dec 16, 2010 7:17 PM CST reply actions  

Nah. The play against the 49ers showed that he still has it. Just doesn’t seem like he’s been targeted a whole lot, and when he is, it seems like it’s normally on a out route or slant route. I just think a lot of the offense has been deep stuff to Jennings, and when not him, Jones. I still think we look to go down field too much. If Flynn starts, I’m actually excited to see if we go back to that quick timing offense that used to be our bread and butter.

by packallday555 on Dec 16, 2010 7:50 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, probably. But then again, who knows. Like I said, it seems like he’s the guy that runs all the short stuff for us. He could just be a later option. Who really knows.

I know he was open on that last play against Detroit. It’s too bad McCarthy/Flynn seemed hell bent on going deep.

by packallday555 on Dec 16, 2010 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Totals from the above chart:
doesn’t seem like he’s been targeted a whole lot

27 targets, 12 catches.
That equates to 44%.

Admittedly, as ‘targets’ seems to be a relatively new statistical focus, I don’t know what percentage is normal, but i would think that a receiver who is playing well would catch over 50% of his ‘targets’.
Could be wrong, though; as I said, I don’t really know.

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by NorthStarr on Dec 17, 2010 2:25 AM CST up reply actions  

The Patriots got rid of Moss when he was only catching 44% of his targets.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 17, 2010 6:15 AM CST up reply actions  

But Moss was only a deep threat!

Driver is the guy that does all the underneath stuff and across the middle stuff… He doesn’t go downfield too often!

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by Strohman on Dec 17, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Hmm...

In that case, shouldn’t Driver be catching MORE of his targets as a possession receiver?

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by texwestern on Dec 17, 2010 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Which is why I don’t think he has much left to give the Packers! As a 3rd or 4th WR, maybe. But I don’t think he has the legs to run all day long anymore!

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by Strohman on Dec 17, 2010 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

WR

I was saying at the beginning of the year that the Packers needed to go w/ Jones and Nelson to give them a prime time shot as a starter… We need to find out what we have in them and if they can be considered a starter! Now that the season is practically over and Driver is struggling everyone is starting to call for the same thing! Driver faded badly down the stretch last year too… He no longer is able to play effectively every down of the game! He should be a #3 or #4 WR and give way to Jones, IMO. Jones is inconsistent, but w/ regular touches like he would get as a starter, he might shake off that inconsistency and become the player we have seen glimpses of.

The time has come, even if now is too late, to give Jones the job!!!

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by Strohman on Dec 16, 2010 7:51 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.
He should be a #3 or #4 WR and give way to Jones, IMO.

and Rec’d!

Been on that wagon with you all year, Strohman. :)
IMO, DD should probably be the number four guy now, giving way to Jones as the starter, and Nelson as the number three.
However, I wouldn’t complain if he split the number three duties, equally, with Nelson.

Swain still number five, though. :)

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by NorthStarr on Dec 17, 2010 2:34 AM CST up reply actions  

saw the headline of the article and I KNEW you’d be all over this one. haha

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by TrevorR on Dec 17, 2010 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Where is the

quick slant? It was his bread-and-butter, and I feel like I never see it anymore.

by Archibaldcrane on Dec 16, 2010 8:12 PM CST reply actions  

Defenses have adapted

I think the slant game is down all over the league because defenses have adapted to it. All the zone blitzing allows ends (or LB on the end) to drop back a couple steps, right in the area where the slant would be thrown. The question is how can offenses best counter, to take advantage of the dropping linemen?

by LA Cheese on Dec 16, 2010 8:47 PM CST reply actions  

slants

Favre might have been the best ever at throwing that route! When Rodgers took over, the Packers adapted the offense more to his strengths. So some slants were taken out and the crossing patterns and short outs were more of a focus. Rodgers can throw it, but they decided its not a Rodgers strength… Not like it was w/ Favre.

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by Strohman on Dec 16, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Defenders Aren't Playing DD Honestly

He’s become that quick slant guy. He needs a couple of deep routes and if he can’t run those it means he’s not healthy enough to be that second or third option.

That Lions game was a perfect example. The defenders knew where he was going to be, as in that end zone INT. You can’t put someone in a position where the defender can consistently jump the route and then blame the receiver. That’s pure play calling right there.

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by AdamA on Dec 17, 2010 9:19 AM CST reply actions  

I honestly think it is more of MM’s play calling than anything. Has DD lost a step? Yes, i think so, but I still trust him more than inconsistent JJ out there. He is by far the unquestioned leader among the WR corp, and it it is because of him that the other WR’s have that no fear mentality, when running their routes. Maybe they should rotate a little more, but completely benching him would be unfair.

by Katsuya89 on Dec 17, 2010 12:33 PM CST reply actions  

trust

So you trust the aging WR who used to be very good, but now drops as many passes as any WR on the team and fumbles the ball over the younger WR who is inconsistent, but every time he seems to be a large part of the game plan steps up?! Yeah, that makes alot of sense!!

Driver USED to be a very good WR, but he’s not any longer! Get over it… Time to move on and put Driver as the 3rd or 4th WR where he should be. Each of the past couple years he’s played poorly down the stretch, its clear he isn’t ready for playing starters snaps! Jones needs consistent PT to become more consistent… Give him Driver snaps and targets as a starter and he’ll be a more than solid WR! Driver surely isn’t that any longer.. At least we have to find out for sure if Jones is capable!!!

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by Strohman on Dec 17, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

trust

Driver hasn’t fumbled the ball. Driver is still a good reciever, no one on the teams fights for yards more than that guy. I’d like to see other recievers “targets and receptions” in order to get a better feel, but I have a hard time sitting one of your more consistant players. Especially when the prime replacement likes to put the rock on the ground. I’ll take dropped passes over fumbles any day of the week. I also don’t think that when we’re making a playoff push is the best time to “check out and see if Jones is capable” The whole discussion is moot anyway. There’s no way in H-E double hockey sticks MM is going to bench DD.

But yeah, I definately trust that crotchety ol reciever more in a key game time moment.

by Smeefers on Dec 17, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't know fumbles this year..

But he had a couple last year, including one extremely costly one in the AZ playoff game!! He has little to show for this year, so the fact he may not have any this season isn’t all that telling! I don’t doubt Drivers heart in the least… I just doubt he has the legs for it anymore! Honestly if you look at it, Driver isn’t any better at ball security as Jones IMO. I think your to big a fan of Driver to be rational about it… I get that, but Driver has performed poorly down the stretch last year, and this year has been a disaster… Injury or not!!! I think he would perform much better if he’s not on the field every play and he can stay fresher!! Just my opinin tho…

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by Strohman on Dec 17, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

To big a fan

I am a fan, but that doesn’t mean I can’t see things clearly. Perhaps you’re to big a hater to see things clearly. See, sucks when people put words in your mouth.

Driver doesn’t put the ball on the ground much. He hasn’t fumbled this year. He’s had 7 fumbles over his career. James Jones has already had 6. You really think JJ and DD are the same in ball security?

That said, JJ is going to be a good player, I just don’t think DD has played poorly enough to get benched. JJ and DD have the same amount of catches, so I don’t really think it matters who’s #2 and who’s #3. If it doesn’t matter who’s #2 and who’s #3, I say you stick with the leader of the recieving core. When JJ or Jordy Nelson are better than DD, then they should start over him. Until then, no.

by Smeefers on Dec 19, 2010 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, aside from the Detroit game, his target completion % isn’t that bad. It’s not like he was at fault for all 7 seven incompletions. I remember at least three plays where Flynn just made poor passes to him.

Either way, I don’t think it really matters whether or not he “starts”. He, Jennings, and Jones have seemed to be on a rotation the entire season, with Nelson sneaking in there every once in a while too.

by packallday555 on Dec 17, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Jennings?

On a rotation?

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by NorthStarr on Dec 18, 2010 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, at times. He, Driver, and Jones all seem to rotate in and out whether it be in the slot or on the outsides.

by packallday555 on Dec 18, 2010 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Only time

I see Jennings on the sideline is after he has run a long route and needs a breather. Otherwise he’s in on every down from what I can tell…

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by Strohman on Dec 18, 2010 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

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DD is, imo, a Green Bay Legend. Class act, very good hands, and an understanding of defenses and excelent route running makes up for his age and therefore loss of speed and agility. Keep in mind that he is coming off an injury, and he doesn’t look like he is 100% recovered. And yet, as much as it pains me….

DD should take a seat. Rogers is out, Grant is out, Finely is out, and most reasonable fans will agree that in terms of the playoffs, we are out. Let Nelson and Jones go up against some #1 and #2 CB, especially with some good defenses in NE, NY and those chicago guys. We need to see if either can be a potential #2 at least (Jennings is still young and not at the “diva” level of other recievers so TT should be able to lock him into a long and fairly reasonalbe deal.)

But this leaves me to wonder, if Rogers was being told to go to team meetings and film views, and Jenkins came back into a game were he broke his hand earlier this year, are the packers coaches or training staff rushing our guys back to get them onto the field? Everyone says that they want the players health to be priority, but w/ so many injuries, and then a buncha guys coming back and getting hurt again (Jenkins, Chillar, Rogers to mention a few) I have to at least speak up about my wonder.

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by packattack76 on Dec 17, 2010 1:27 PM CST reply actions  

His name is Aaron Rodgers, not Rogers

I realize “Finely” is just a typo, but you typed “Rogers” three times. Are you trying to anger God? Be careful lest CM3 strike you down.

Also, I think TT locked down Jennings for a long contract a year or two ago.

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by I voted for Kodos on Dec 17, 2010 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Jennings just signed an extension last year, toward the end of the year, if memory serves…

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by Strohman on Dec 17, 2010 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

wow

lol, didn’t even realize I did that. not sure what I was thinking……

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by packattack76 on Dec 23, 2010 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

They already sub in all our receivers anyway. “Benching” Driver wouldn’t mean he wouldn’t play, just that he wouldn’t start. I say leave him in. Partially because he’s a team leader and partially because he can still get it done. …he’s not in his prime anymore, obviously, but he’s not washed up or anything by any means.

by Curly Lambeau on Dec 17, 2010 1:38 PM CST reply actions  

I think this is a bit premature

There is no doubt that DD is having a down year, and I could definitely support getting Jones and Nelson a bit more playing time for the remainder of the year. But I would not do anything official with the depth chart that would signal the beginning of the end for Driver. If you look at older receivers in the league, like Derrick Mason, Ochocinco, TO, Hines Ward, and Reggie Wayne, there is no reason to think that Driver cannot bounce back and get his numbers up next year. It has been well-documented that he is one of the hardest working players in the league — a gym rat that also practices hard. I really believe the injury this season is the primary reason for his down year. His trend in recent years has only seen a slight reduction in his numbers, nothing that would predict this sort of drop off.

by Ben T on Dec 17, 2010 4:44 PM CST reply actions  

half those recievers aren't that old...

i don’t even think Wayne is 30 yet. Chad Johnson ( i refuse to call him by his “legal” name is like 33. ill give you owens and ward but wayne is in the prime of his career.

by FFmorgan89 on Dec 19, 2010 1:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Why don't you look it up?

I’m looking at guys in their 30s. (BTW, Wayne is 32.) Donald Drive is 35. I’m not suggesting that Donald Driver is even in the same league as all these guys. Definitely not Wayne, although he does have the benefit of having Peyton throwing to him. My point is there is no reason to believe that a guy like Driver who works very hard and keeps himself in top physical condition cannot still be productive enough to be a #2 receiver.

by Ben T on Dec 19, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

DD is my favorite player so you guys know where I stand.

If he really is as terrible as Stroh says he is I guess I’m blinded my my fanhood because I don’t see it.

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by Omaha Sun on Dec 17, 2010 5:26 PM CST reply actions  

I didn't say he was terrible

I just think some of you overvalue him cuz you like him soo much… Thats fine, I get it! I think he’s lost his legs to be an everydown WR!

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by Strohman on Dec 17, 2010 6:13 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

i really like james jones with rodgers rather than driver imo. :)

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by patriotguy2 on Dec 17, 2010 9:58 PM CST reply actions  

I think that James Jones has all the talent

but at the same time I wouldn’t be shocked if they cut him during preseason next year. He can not be trusted with the ball and drops too many balls, Driver does too but he knows defenses and is trusted by Rodgers. They need to draft another Wr because depending on Jennings game after game is going to stop working against opposing defenses.

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by Prince Fielder is Skinny on Dec 17, 2010 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Trusted by Rodgers?

This isn’t Favre we are talking about. I don’t think he trusts Driver any more than Jones… In fact it might be just the opposite, since in the offseason Rodgers and Jones get together in California and work together w/ Rodgers throwing to Jones! Driver had Favres complete trust, sometimes to the detriment of the team. But Driver doesn’t have nearly that relationship w/ Driver, like Farve.

I highly doubt Jones is going anywhere!

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by Strohman on Dec 17, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

When jones went in for you guys

I thought there was good chemistry between him and rodgers. and he does have a lot of skill.

he also isn’t injured, and he is young. He can grow up, and develop with rodgers career-wise. So I think it has plenty of benefits, especially in the long run.

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by patriotguy2 on Dec 18, 2010 12:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Rodgers has stopped throwing to him

on numerous occasions when he has messed up. My main problem with him is that he hasn’t improved at all the last two years. He is just a guy, not a go to reciever and not even a good slot reciever.

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by Prince Fielder is Skinny on Dec 18, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

He hasn't had the opportunity.
My main problem with him is that he hasn’t improved at all the last two years.

Also, it’d be interesting to know how you define ‘improve’, in this instance!

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by NorthStarr on Dec 18, 2010 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Well for starters,

He drops way too many balls especially on long routes. He has a fumbling problem. He doesn’t run great routes. All of these are things that you should be able to improve on over time, which he obviously hasn’t. These are “fundemental” issues that he hasn’t fixed or “improved” on.

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by Prince Fielder is Skinny on Dec 18, 2010 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

i don't see Jones being any better than driver.

i really see him as a career number 3 receiver. do i think driver should play every single down of everysingle game? probably not. but he shouldn’t be taken out of the number 2 role. i say keep him as the number two with occasional plays off to rest him. and let nelson and jones take 2 and 3 a few plays a game. but driver is still the clear cut number 2 on this team. ( or at the very least green bay has 3 3rd receivers.

by FFmorgan89 on Dec 19, 2010 2:00 AM CST reply actions  

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