Preview: Packers at Patriots
by Brandon on Dec 17, 2010 7:01 AM CST
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The Green Bay Packers have expect to play on Sunday without QB Aaron Rodgers (concussion) if he's feeling so bad that he still can't come in to watch film or attend team meetings. Right now, I'm borderline on whether he'll return for their December 26th game against the Giants.
In 2007, when QB Brett Favre was injured during their game against the Dallas Cowboys, Rodgers came off the bench and got them back into it. QB Matt Flynn was in a similar situation last week, but instead of having to rally from a 27-10 deficit (final score 37-27) against one of the top teams in the NFC (Rodgers against Cowboys), he had to put together a couple scoring drives against a 2-10 team. These two games were the first substantial playing time in a regular season game for either player. Here are their game stats from Rodgers against the Cowboys in 2007, and Flynn against the Lions last week:
| Player | Comp. | Att. | Yards | TD | INTs |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Rodgers | 18 | 26 | 201 | 1 | 0 |
| Flynn | 15 | 26 | 177 | 0 | 1 |
And the stats were a lot closer than I expected. If Mike McCarthy can prepare Flynn like he did Rodgers, then Flynn could be pretty good. Unfortunately the Packers offense needs to be great against the Patriots. They have to convert on 3rd down, throw and run the ball, eat up the game clock, and come away with points after every long drive or great field position. That's a tough assignment for Rodgers, and it's probably too much to ask of a quarterback who's still looking to complete his first NFL touchdown pass, with an offensive line that's coming off a terrible game in Detroit.
More about this game after the jump, and more on the Patriots over at Pats Pulpit.
Rankings from Football Outsiders:
| Teams | Run Offense | Pass Offense | Run Defense | Pass Defense |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Packers | 10 | 10 | 19 | 3 |
| Patriots | 1 | 1 | 29 | 25 |
The Patriots are that unbalanced, and their defense really isn't playing that well this season. But the offense is playing even better then those rankings indicate. Their pass offense isn't in first place by a nose, but by a wide margin over the San Diego Chargers. The gap between the Patriots pass offense and the Chargers pass offense is the same as it is between the Chargers and the Titans 16th ranked pass offense.
Since this night game should be cold, and it could be snowing, I'm going to compare it with two recent cold weather games. Both Rodgers and QB Joe Flacco were inaccurate in the cold during the Packers 27-14 victory over the Ravens in 2009, and the Packers defense made the Ravens pay for Flacco's mistakes with turnovers. However in 2007, bad special teams play and two big turnovers turned the Bears 35-7 victory into a blowout.
If Flynn starts turning the ball over like he's QB Mark Sanchez, then it'll be another blowout for the Patriots. Maybe he'll be able to avoid mistakes, and the defense will be able to force a couple turnovers, and keep the game close. I'm not going to post a score, but I'll say I'm feeling pessimistic.
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Statistically, the Patriots defense isn't playing well
but there’s a LOT more to that defense than statistics. As in 3 INTs of Manning. 3 INTs of a previously stellar Mark Sanchez.
The Patriots are unafraid of giving up a ton of yards if a) they have the lead, b) you’re willing to attack the prevent defense and c) you turn the ball over more than a couple times attacking their prevent defense.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 17, 2010 7:26 AM CST reply actions
Stellar Sanchez?
This isn’t a dig against the Patriots, but Sanchez stinks (which is good news in general for the Patriots). His career passer rating is below 70. He has a bunch of receivers that drop passes, but that doesn’t entirely explain his 53% career completion percentage.
The Patriots defense has held their last two opponents to a combined 10 points, but they didn’t hold an opponent under 24 points in November (average 28 points against in November). They’ve been giving up points and yards. Not that I think Flynn and his struggling offensive line is going to be able to capitalize on it.
Sanchez not good
The point is the Jets thought they were a pretty good football team when they wandered into Gillette two weekends ago – the Patriots whopped ’em and the Jets turned out to be pretenders… frauds ??
Your right about November. The Pats gave up too many points to the Lions on Turkeyday – three short days of prep can lead to such outcomes. They allowed too many points in a 4th quarter rally to Manning & the Colts – too much prevent D. I truely believe though that this N.E. defense is really starting to get it. They’re very young but they are starting to play like a cohesive unit, more importantly they are now playing with a ton of confidence.
If Flynn comes the off the bench and plays his ass off (outscores a Tom Brady-lead offense) then the Pack will win.
by profootballfanatic on Dec 17, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Love these mind-blowing revalations. :D
If Flynn comes the off the bench and plays his ass off (outscores a Tom Brady-lead offense) then the Pack will win.
In every loss, they’ve been outscored by their opponent.
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
However in 2007, bad special teams play and two big turnovers turned the Bears 35-7 victory into a blowout.
However in 2007, bad special teams play and Brett Favre playing like Brett Favre turned a 13-7 Bears lead into a 35-7 blowout.
Wisconsin, Big Ten Champions for the first time since 1999...
You'll notice NCAA has no letter for the incompetence within...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 17, 2010 9:04 AM CST reply actions
I was at that game
which is why I have no problem seeing John Ryan walk
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
I expect a low scoring game.
Low scoring for the Pats, anyway…
Just keep in mind that few teams have kept the Lions below 20 points (of those that did, half were in their division) and NO teams until the Packers held them to single digits.
That in mind, I think the game is winnable by the Pack.
I don’t expect Branch, Welker or Tate to have impact games for the Pats, but I do foresee their tight ends and RBs (especially Woodhead) being the difference makers for them. Not to say their receivers will be held without catches, but I just don’t see them burning the Packers in a must-win game.
On the flipside, Donald Driver and James Jones have to play their best games this Sunday and if there’s anyone whom I expect to need a career game, it’s going to be Brandon Jackson. There’s just no way a power football running game is going to have any kind of impact on the Pats defense unless they commit entirely to it and that’s not this team. And not against this defensive front. BJax is going to need to make plays to sustain drives.
Believe it or not, I’m sketpical about the Pats run defense. I know the numbers won’t corroborate it, but teams in their division this season have kind of lost their run-first mentalities, so we haven’t seen any attempts to wear them down as much. Last year, teams were running a lot more against them with some success but we just haven’t seen that this season, excpet in the case of the Browns who… well, they won!
Without an O-line that can create huge gaps, the Packers quickest RB has to be the play maker. If he can pick up more than 50 yards on the ground, the Pack can win this thing by a field goal.
I might be alone here, but… 19-17 Packers.
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
I mean...
…the Steelers hadn’t allowed anyone to score over 22 and the Patriots dropped 39 on them. The Jets had one game of 27 and a couple around 20 and the Patriots hosed them with 45. The most against the Bears was 26, once, and then a couple at 20. We know how that turned out.
The Patriots have a pretty good offense who have been able to score on some pretty good defenses. Now I’m not expecting a 45 point offensive output by the Patriots, but I think the Patriots can break 20.
by Richard Hill on Dec 17, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
I think this is going to be a nightmare. We’ve got Jenkins out, who is our 2nd best pass rusher, plus Zombo, who is respectable. Wilhem, or whatever street FA we plug in there probably isn’t going to have a whole lot of success. Plus, Matthews shin seems to really be bothering him as well. We won’t be able to get consistent pressure on Brady, and for that reason I think we have absolutely no chance.
I think on offense we’ll be able to do some things as I think the Pats defense is somewhat soft, but not enough in comparison to what you’ll likely do to our defense.
by packallday555 on Dec 17, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
All hope is lost
Maybe Brady throws a stinker? Or The Beast Known As Clay Matthews records a strip/sack/concussion on Brady? Perhaps Tramon or Charles runs a punt to the house or does his patented Heisman pose after a pick-six? Anything can happen I guess!
By the way, people have been expecting the Capers Crew to fail for some time now, and although their record wouldn’t indicate it, I would definitely not call what they have done on defense a “failure” by any stretch of the imagination. I hope the Patriots are as arrogant as their fans are, and they look right through us also.
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
by PackaCracka on Dec 17, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
They’ve been good this season without a doubt but they haven’t played anybody of the Patriots caliber on offense. And after seeing our defensive line get totally manhandled last week by the Lions, giving up what, 200 yards rushing? I just am having a hard time being very optimistic.
by packallday555 on Dec 17, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
I am having a hard time believing that we have a legitimate shot at winning this game also, but all these Patriot fans are “wheezing the juice” so to speak and it really fires me up. I hope it does the same for the players, that they aren’t getting any credit after being embarrassed by the Lions front four. The o-line is a sieve, we all know that. But I’ve seen some pretty amazing things come from this team when faced with adversity. And lets face it, if this Packers team really expected to get to the Big Show at the beginning of the year, then this game should have been circled and underlined with the words “The Road Goes Through Foxborough” written above it on the calendar
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
by PackaCracka on Dec 17, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Oh.. and Pats are gonna have trouble with the Pack receivers
They are more forceful than we are used to and fight harder than most teams in the league. I suggest you find them often.
I don’t really think any of them have come off as that arrogant. The reality is, Flynn is going to be starting for us, and the Patriots are far and away playing their best football lately. We’re not. If Rodgers was in, Jenkins was in, Zombo was in, and we hadn’t just lost to the Lions, I’d say we have a damn good shot to be them. None of those things are the case though, and while I’d love nothing more than to be proven wrong, I just kind of doubt it.
by packallday555 on Dec 17, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
I hope we don't come off a arrogant
The fact is, the Pats success has caught us off guard a bit. There’s some surreal aspects to it.
I think Yahoo has some boards for arrogance.
Shoving you around is part of the game. Quit crying.
arrogant
You come off that way… Kinda a borderline arrogance, which given the Pats success the past decade is somewhat understandable. Its not like the vike fans we are used to tho… You have somewhat of a reason considering all the SB, but vike fans are the absolute WORST, IMO! I noticed it almost as soon as you guys visited… Might be a NE type attitude as well, not sure!
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It's a weird situation
Because stating the mere fact ‘the Pats dropped 45 points on the Jets on MNF" sounds arrogant, but it’s literally just stating the truth.
Beating the Bears, Lions, Steelers, Colts and Jets in a month and a bit, and doing it pretty convincingly in ways that were unexpected, elevated confidence to some point, sure. But I’m not sure how to talk about those games without seeming arrogant, because they were all convincing to some extent – Bears was a blowout in their house in the snow, ditto Lions, Steelers was convincing because the Pats ran on the team that was un-runnable, Colts game Manning threw 3 picks, Jets game the Pats just flat-out destroyed them.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 18, 2010 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, you'd have to have been the biggest Pats homer...
…to have believed they’d be 11-2 Superbowl favorites before the season started.
I was seeing another 10-6/11-5 season and a divisional round exit. Then again, maybe I’m being too cocky since there are still 3 games left and 11-5 is still possible. They could lose the next three games to the (probably Rodger-less) Packers, Bills, and Dolphins, enter the playoffs cold and disappear in the wildcard round. Ugh.
by GTanka on Dec 17, 2010 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Probably NOT happening
given the Dolphins play of late? Nope.
Then again, there was a bizarre game in 2006 where the Patriots actually got shut out…so yeah. But I don’t see that happening at all.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 17, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I honestly thought you guys were going to start going into rebuilding mode this season, especially after the Moss trade. So much for that haha.
by packallday555 on Dec 17, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
Who says we didn't?
Most of the gameday roster has less than 2 seasons under their belt and we’ve got 6 picks in the first 3 rounds of the draft next year (and what’s looking like 3 in the top 33 if Carolina stays crappy).
It is a rebuilding season, it’s just gone really well. Many a pats fan on PP were thinking we’d go 9-7 or 10-6 or even 8-8 though.
This has been a pleasant surprise.
I was one of the few who guessed 12-4.
:P
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
It was
There’s something like 25-30 guys on the roster who are rookies or second-year players.
Throw in all the first, second and third round picks next season… wow.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 18, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
Arrogant fans? *blinks*
Apologies if we’ve come off that way. Statistics are statistics though and we’re not the one’s saying most of them. This just isn’t a good matchup if Rodgers doesn’t play. The advantage will be that the Pats don’t know Flynn and your defense is very good.
Unfortunately, as Pats fans who do these inter-forum things weekly can tell you, we’ve heard the “stellar defense” argument about 6 times now. The only team that kinda didn’t was the Browns.. and we know how that went.
As another proposed wrinkle, Capers was a coach for the Pats for a while so him and belichick kinda know what the other will do. It’s an interesting wits matchup.. better than the Martz one hopefully.
I didn't see "stellar defense"
proposed anywhere, what I saw what an evaluation on how resilient the Packers defense has been against teams that score fairly often and have weapons. What I did see was a counter against a prediction that includes examples of games that aren’t even in our conference.
But I accept your apology since I can’t accept your forfeiture winks
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
by PackaCracka on Dec 17, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
matchup
It’s not a good matchup if Rodgers CAN play.
Well that apparently was answered, and it doesn't appear so.
Should be interesting to see what happens though.
It can happen...
Patriots could make a bunch of mistakes and Flynn could play like Montana but, it’s much more likely that the N.E. offense will be keenly effective and their defense will play much better than their statistical ranking.
Green Bay has to try and hang on in the first half (not get down by 17 or more), weather the early Pats/Brady onslaught and try to keep it a game into the fourth quarter.
I’m hoping Aaron Rogers can play.
by profootballfanatic on Dec 17, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
How interesting would the game be to see Flynn Vs whoever the heck backs up Tom Brady?!
by supertrooper15 on Dec 17, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Brian Hoyer is his name. And hell no he won't play.
Unless the game is out of hand in the 4th qtr.
And Bill doesn't run up the score lol
Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
by PatNation85 on Dec 17, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
@ Richard Hill: This is true, but...
The Packers have better corners than the Steelers, the Jets split those games with the Pats (they allowed only 14 points in their first meeting) and really have just gone into a slump – that Pats game wasn’t the beginning; the only bearly beat their previous opponents and were totally shut out by the Pack… and the Bears’ defensive scheme plays right into the kind of game the Pats are playing right now. That 2 deep coverage has given the short passing game serious legs and Deion Branch and Wes Welker are great at running mixed routes.
The Packers were built to stop teams like the Pats, and Saints. The thing the Pack won’t be able to stop because of key injuries, is the interior running game and very short, quick passes. But you won’t see too many blown coverages from the Packers secondary. Not in a must win game, anyway. It’s why I’m giving them a chance… I just won’t bet on it because, well, it’s the Patriots.
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
I see the Packers defense playing the Pats pretty tough. Bruschi did make a point that the Steelers’ weakness was their corners, but for the Packers, that’s their strength. What worked against the last few top 10 defenses might not work against the Packers. However, I still think the Pats have enough versatility to change it up, plus their corners can only cover so many people, so I’m confident they can put some points on the board.
But when the media is basically 100% unanimous that the Pats are going to blow out the Packers on a nationally televised game, I get a little wary. I still see the Pats winning (they are healthier and in sync after all), but it might be closer than we all expect. Maybe…too close.
Maybe but...
The N.Y. Jets corners aren’t too shabby and the Patriots pretty much destroyed that football team.
The Packers need to get to Brady and put him on the ground… a lot. If Green Bay doesn’t fully commit to getting to Brady – he will pick them apart. On offense it looks like GB will have to rely on the run as I doubt that Flynn will have much success throwing the football, unless this kid is some kind of quarterback savant. The Browns were able to run it consistently in their yard – can the Packers do it in Gillette ??
by profootballfanatic on Dec 17, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
We won’t rely on the run. Flynn’s been with us for 3 years now, and McCarthy seems to have a lot of confidence in him. I think we’ll probably try and run a lot of the regular stuff we normally do. Of course, not all of it but that could be good too. Some of us feel like we’re to concerned with going deep all the time, which is something we probably won’t see Flynn do a whole lot of. Getting back to some of that quick route stuff that was previously our bread and butter stuff could be good.
I’m still just not convinced with our defense though. I like Woodson, Williams, and Shields vs. your receivers. I don’t however like Gronkowski, Hernandez, and Woodhead against a linebacker though.
by packallday555 on Dec 17, 2010 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
As I noted...
…maybe this Flynn is a quarterback savant !
Belichick has a way of f_cking with the heads of young QB’s – it will be very impressive if this guy can move the ball against New England… very impressive.
by profootballfanatic on Dec 17, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
The running game will decide that.. as will Flynn's running ability
If Flynn can’t run and the running game dies out, that means Wilfork will be allowed to run free instead of keeping 2 or 3 guys busy. This could lead to MAJOR problems.
flynn is more than adequate
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
Disagree
I think rushing Brady is probably the least viable option. That O-line is holding up really well, especially since the return of Mankins. That said, good defense against the recievers will slow down that offense and give the Pack some opportunities to eventually get at him.
As for the NY Jets corners, they have given up yards in other games as well, such as the first game against Miami (300+), Denver (200+) and even gave up a good chunk of yards against the Packers and Lions (they just didn’t capitalize). The most the Packers gave up was 230 and that was an OT game.
Can the Packers play well at an opposing stadium? I think their defense is playing better away than they are at home!
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
So...
The Jets corners suck and the Packers corners are terrific… we’ll see.
Hey – if Green Bay’s D-backs can give Welker, Branch, Gronkowski and Hernandes fits, then they will have a chance. If they do this and they don’t turn the ball over, they have a shot.
The Pack played a pretty good game vs. the Falcons, at Atlanta – they’ll have to put in another effort like that one. Thing is – Matt Ryan is no Tom Brady and Matt Flynn is no Aaron Rogers.
by profootballfanatic on Dec 17, 2010 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
And Lawfirm is No Michael Turner
js.
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
Don't underestimate him though.
The bear’s fans did, and Law Firm got 87 yards off of 21 attempts, and a 4.1 average.
Not to mention the pats run a committee with woodhead, and adding his numbers in, we got over 100 on the bears. :)
He’s not michael turner, but don’t under estimate him. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Anyone ever tell you your tag line is entirely too long!
Seriously, it seems longer than any comments you make…
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
Your the first, but I'll change it tomorrow I guess.....
:(
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Don't change it on my account.
I just like short and too the point! Maybe your just more expressive. IDK You…
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
huh... I am expressive. lol
but those are quotes that I very much respect(except the last one. That one states the obviousness of my fandom. :) ).
I’ll think about it I guess, idk. :/
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
o_o
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Ninja's is worse. :)
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
I'd never underestimate him
if only for the reason that I have him consistently starting on one of my fantasy teams – he’s done pretty well for me. ;)
But I think Woodhead will be the better runner in this game. Honestly, I don’t know if anyone will even be able to lay a glove on him in the defensive interior. They’re going to have to! If it requires help getting a hold of him, those receivers will start coming loose.
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
I just benched woodhead(as a WR) for DeSean Jackson.
My fantasy WRs now:
Reggie Wayne
Andre Johnson
DeSean Jackson
RBs:
Darren McFadden
LeSean McCoy
:) :) :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
c'mon man!
You gotta put pressure on Brady. The Jets couldn’t. You also have to hit his receivers hard off the line. Most of Bradys passes are under 10 yds.
Steelers couldn't, Jets couldn't
Lions got a bit of pressure on in the first half by dropping everyone and trying to get their impressive D-line into the pocket. Ravens did okay with Ngata up the middle and Suggs around the outside. Otherwise it’s been pretty solid, and Brady’s release is very quick on the underneath routes that he stunts the pass-rush just by being so fast.
Need to get the pass-rush on and stop the short routes, either by beating up on the WRs on the line, or by getting LBs into the short passing lanes, or both.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 18, 2010 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
Beating on the WR
Thats exactly what I expect the Packers to do… And they have the CB to do it… THen Raji and Matthews bringing pressure. Still a tough chore tho!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
they will need to keep him off the sidelines
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
Low scoring ?
You’re saying the Patriots won’t score a lot of points? Wow, I don’t see that at all. New England has the most prolific offense in the league – no other team is close. If the Packers hold the Patriots to 17 points its because Brady leaves the game on a stretcher in the first quarter. N.E. will score and score often – the Pack’s only chance at a victory will be if they score more than the 34 they put up on San Francisco at Lambeau. Brady hasn’t lost a regular season game at home since Christ was a kid. He will target and find Branch & Welker and the two new tight ends with an occassional toss to Woodhead. Green-Ellis has become a tough running back who simply does not put the ball on the ground.
In addition, the New England defense is improving every week, 10 points allowed over the last two games vs. pretty good football teams (one on the road) isn’t too bad. It’s a very young defense that would have been challanged by the running & throwing of Rogers but, with Flynn the likely starter it will be an uphill struggle for Green Bay’s offense.
I still hope that Aaron Rogers can answer the bell – it will make for a much more entertaining football game on Sunday night. Oh yeah… and if its snowing, the Pack is f’ed.
by profootballfanatic on Dec 17, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
OK, now this is being pretty arrogant!
Packs ONLY hope is Brady leaving on a stretcher?
NE will score early and often?
Target and find Branch and Welker?
Lets just take it down a bit and show us some respect!! Capers is a very good DC and we have terrific talent in the secondary! I’ll grant that its doesn’t look like a good matchup for the Packers, but don’t discount the Packers playing for their playoff lives and the POOR game last week as a team down and out!!! Packers will rebound w/ a strong effort, whether that’ll be enough is anyones guess, but they’ll come to play and have alot at stake!! Give us some credit we won’t lay down and play dead for you!!!
If you take us lightly in the least it come back to bite you in the AZZ!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
He's never posted at the Pulpit...
…so I don’t know what team he’s a fan of.
by Richard Hill on Dec 17, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Judging from posting history...
Colts fan? Strange for him to be backing the Pats up though. Or maybe he’s exactly what his name states – Pro Football Fanatic. He’s fanatical about all things football.
na...cause he is talking smack to the idiotic colts fans right now
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"Stampede Blue-North Korea of SBN"-Colt's fan
I saw that, too.
His/her posting history indicates like he/she comments on Stampede Blue more than anywhere else (currently has 45 posts there, 12 here and 1 on the New York Knicks’ ‘Posting and Toasting’, with none on any of the other six sites he/she has joined), yet he/she said,
You Colts fans are worse than my kids.
And, he/she is not a member of Pats Pulpit.
With comments such as the ones cited above by Strohman, it is hard to accept an argument that he/she brings intelligent discusion to the table.
Not flagged — but, this sure seems like the very definition of the T-word. :)
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
i think
some pple have two accounts- one for pp and one for NK…
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Hasn't even joined the Pulpit...
Colts, Ravens, ’Phins, SBN, Jets, Bears, Packers, Bills and Knicks sites. Odd mix.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 18, 2010 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
No arrogance intended
Let’s see how well the Pack fares at Gillette Sunday night. If Green Bay holds New England to 17 points or less, I’ll be here Monday morning, singing the praises of the Packers defense.
I was merely trying to share my thoughts on AdamA’s comments. Honestly, I don’t consider anything I said to be hyperbole. I’m a fan of pro football – that’s all.
Again, I’m hoping for an awesome football game on Sunday night – let Rogers play and be on his game and the same for Tom Brady.
by profootballfanatic on Dec 17, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'll speak slower for you Yankees10
I – was – responding – to – AdamA’s – comments.
by profootballfanatic on Dec 17, 2010 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Well you could have notified that it was a reply fail
instead of being a dick but whatever
by Yankees10 on Dec 17, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Haha, rec'd.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 18, 2010 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
Over here,
we call that being a Richard. :)
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
Nothin' personal, Richard
No more so than calling it being a Dick. :)
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is still more than half-full!
you might want to click on the proper reply button then
take-a-chill-pill
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
you're also a fan of...
being a jackass!
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
by PackaCracka on Dec 18, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Stats are misleading with the Pats
Their efficiency has a cascading effect that skews all kinds of numbers.
Time of possession means nothing to them… it’s how many times they get the ball. When they are suddenly up by 17, or 21, opponents feel the need to turn into a high-powered offense. Unless they really are a high-powered offense, mistakes will be made.
Their lousy defense is (I believe) #1 in PM diff. It’s not because they have a bunch of hungry beasts in the backfield, it’s because their opponent is playing a different game then they wanted.
They were giving up lots of yards and points playing prevent, but that seems to be changing now. They did a great job of control in the second half against Chicago.
I don’t even know how good their defense is. It seems to be as good as they need it to be.
The Pulpit just had a curious stat: in the last 3 games the Pats have played in the snow, they have jumped out to a combined halftime lead of 109-0. Snow is in the forecast for Sunday.
Shoving you around is part of the game. Quit crying.
It's a running theory of mine that the defense lets teams get yards to kill the clock
They tighten up toward the goal line though.
apparently around 10 inches
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Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."
"Stampede Blue-North Korea of SBN"-Colt's fan
Doesn't look good,
but thats why they play ’em. I believe in you Dom Capers!
17-7 Packers
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
Holding Tom Brady to 7 Pts at Foxboro?
U must be on cracka=). Dom Capers should be the coach of the year if that happens. I don’t care that he’s not a HC.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 17, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
I want to say he's on crack but...
…Brady said the same thing about getting held under 17 points for Superbowl 42. :(
On a question where he was specifically asked about that scoreline, though
He was asked to reply to a Plaxico Burress statement. If Plax said anything, most rational people would probably disagree.
“Having a gun in my waistband with no safety when carrying guns in NY is illegal is a good idea?” No, Plax.
“Patriots only gonna score 17 points in the Super Bowl after setting every scoring and passing record available?” No, Plax.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 18, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
17 - 7 Packers
If the Packers hold the Patriots to 7 points this weekend, Dom Capers will be immediately bronzed and placed in the front lobby of a certain building in Canton, Ohio.
by profootballfanatic on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
I think he'd just prefer to live and coach another day...
…than spend the rest of (brief) life scalded by burning metal so that his magnificent but cold, dead body can be stared at day after day.
by GTanka on Dec 17, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd, good sir
And for those of the nerdier persuasion:
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 18, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
I do not know what needs to be done but the Pack needs to win on sunday
or the playoffs are out the window
by supertrooper15 on Dec 17, 2010 12:53 PM CST reply actions
Not necessarily
The Vikings can win Monday….the Pack can beat the Giants and the Bears….a lot of football left even after this Sunday
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 17, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
no way in hell the Vikings beat the Bears, that may be more unlikely than Matt Flynn beating the Pats
2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in
Yep
With even Tarvaris out… There’s not a snowball’s chance on the Metrodome roof that the Vikings win against the Bears.
We’re even getting killed by Vikings injuries this year! …man.
by Curly Lambeau on Dec 17, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
I fixed that for you.
There’s not the Metrodome roof’s chance under a snowball…
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
I 'unno
Jay Cutler is due for a Jay Cutler-like game.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 18, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree
You’re giving the Bears way too much credit there. They just got mauled. I’m not saying that Webb is Brady, but the Vikings still have one of the best playmakers in NFL who happens to love playing against the Bears.
I’d give the Vikings more than a chance to come up with a W here
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 17, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
The must win games are the Giants and Bears.
Those are the ones that control our destiny. Winning against the Patriots would be the cherry on top though as we would have a very good chance if we win out.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 17, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
True
I also agree that we don’t have to win against the Patriots, but we probably should if we think we’re going to the SB
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
by PackaCracka on Dec 18, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe...
2008 Arizona Cardinals went to NE in week 16 of the 2008 season. The Cards got whomped 47-7 by a Cassel-QB’d Patriots.
2008 Cards went on to go to the Super Bowl, and even led it in the 4th.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 19, 2010 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
Hope and a prayer
GB has been very good in the draft (lets ignore the O-line for this one please). And we dropped Brian Brohm because of the confidence they had in Matt Flyn an a backup. He did play at LSU, which isn’t just a chump school, so maybe he has some magic in his tank. Big B over in NE knows how to game plan, but how do you game plan against the unknown?
If Cappers can get his D to step up and play like the best D in the league again, then we have a legit shot. If we let the Pats walk all over us again, we are done.
It will either be a game of the ages with the unkown backup battling the pats, or the pats will beat up on a team with over a dozen players on IR (isn’t that like an NFL record or something?)
Scars heal, glory fades, and you have have left are your memories. Pain hurst, but only for a minute, your life is short so go out and live it.
Actually the Pats and Packers
are the 2 most beat up teams in the NFL this year. The Packers have 13 players on IR. The Patriots have 14.
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4689786/packers-patriots-know-about-ir
I’m not trying to argue that the Pats injury situation is worse. Missing Aaron Rodgers potentially, and your top RB for the year is crucial. Just saying we also have sustained significant injuries this year.
by UtopianAverage on Dec 17, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
RB issues? We're on the same field there :P
We lost Fred Taylor to an early injury, then lost Sammy Morris, then traded Maroney and then lost Kevin Faulk to a season ender. So basically, at the beginning of the season, Law Firm was the 5th stringer and Woodhead was with another team.
I disagree with viewing Law Firm as the 5th stringer
Based off of last years depth chart, maybe. But this year as far back as preseason Green-Ellis was getting the Lion’s share of carries. Some people wondered if it was to showcase him for a trade, and others like Mike Reiss wondered if he was climbing up the depth chart.
We’ve been using Sammy Morris as a FB/STer, and we traded away Maroney. Even though Taylor got hurt, you could argue Green-Ellis was our #2 becoming our #1. You could even argue Taylor was our #2 when he got hurt.
by UtopianAverage on Dec 18, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
They always give the preseason carries to the RBs on the roster bubble, though
There’s nothing you would learn about Fred Taylor, Kevin Faulk or Sammy Morris by giving them preseason snaps. Benny was playing for his spot, which is why he was competing with Chris Taylor and Thomas Clayton for time at RB in the preseason. Benny stuck, the other two didn’t (quite).
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 19, 2010 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
To be honest with you
I thought this season was a lost cause with all the injuries after about week six. To even be in this position for the playoffs, leaves me pretty encouraged for next year.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
by jobe on Dec 17, 2010 2:03 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
+!!!
Thats kinda how I was thinking… Although my confidence remain fairly high about the playoffs until this past week, I think any hope of a SB run went out the window long ago! Teams w/ alot of injuries just don’t make many SB runs! Credit to McCarthy for keeping the team focused on the road ahead and Thompson for finding some gems to keep the team viable!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
Yeah, totally
I was just like, ‘Get to 9-7 and see where we’re at. If it’s good enough to make the playoffs, great, if not that’s fine too.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
Well, that's if there's even football next year
And if there is football, the road to the postseason may be even tougher w/ 2 more games added to the schedule (which, for the record, I find idiotic + unnecessary). We’re having trouble staying healthy through 16 games!
'TAAAAAAANNNK!!!' - Any of Francis, Louis, Bill, or Zoey
Just want to point out that
stats on the pats defense doesn’t really show what their defense actually is.
Most of those yards, came in garbage time really. After we grab a BIG lead, the opposing team goes out an all passing attack, and we let them get yards AS LONG as they are:
1) In Bounds, and we run out the clock. This is our definition of prevent defense.
Those are also usually where the points come in. We score over 30 points a game, so if it’s 34-17, and the opponent comes in and scores the TD, that’s fine, as long as we have them burn out the clock. The pats get it back, and run out the clock some more, while probably getting a field goal, TD, or punting it deep.
When they get the ball back, after running out the clock, our defense will be rested a bit, and we’ll either do the same, but play a little stiffer probably. Maybe trying to get a pick.
Just saying that the stats can be misleading. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
I think there are like five posts about this...
..Maybe we Pats fans should just let it go? I really don’t like how the Pats are basically reliant on turnovers either. At some point, there is a team that won’t make mistakes.
lol I just wanted to put down my own thoughts on it :)
Keep in mind, that the saints last year had the 22nd ranked overall defense, and was#2 or #1 in turnovers.
They don’t rely on turnovers, they rely on control. They are not too aggressive, or too loose. They try and do what they have to do given the situation. Turnovers are just a part of that control. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
It feels like
your posts are short stories with that signature from hell
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
by PackaCracka on Dec 18, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
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R4F??? ;)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
na...some colts fan
Non Sibi Sed Patriae &I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."
"Stampede Blue-North Korea of SBN"-Colt's fan
MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
I really don’t like how the Pats are basically reliant on turnovers either. At some point, there is a team that won’t make mistakes.
It’s the same team formula as the 2001, 2003 and 2004 Patriots. Give up yards, somehow find a way to get turnovers. And in those years it did work against all comers. I guess the difference to other teams is that Belichick is the best in the business at enforcing those turnovers happen.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 19, 2010 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
People are starting to get testy in here...
I will apparently be going out to watch the game with a friend who is a Pats fan. All I can hope for is that the Packers don’t make me cry in front of him.
Honestly, the odds are massively in favor of New England. I am not hoping for a fluke win. All I ask is that our guys go out and play their ASSES off. That way if they beat us, they deserve to. Simple as that.
"Vince Wilfork's blood type is penne arrabiata"
by Shamalamadingdong on Dec 17, 2010 6:06 PM CST reply actions
FLUKE??
In the unlikely event that the Packers win, it won’t be because it’s a fluke.
You don't know that.
Pats COULD shit the bed.
I guess what I’m saying is I just want to see BOTH teams play hard. I was just sort of taking it for granted that the Pats are going to play for 60 minutes and not take it easy on us.
"Vince Wilfork's blood type is penne arrabiata"
by Shamalamadingdong on Dec 18, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Funny you say that
The Pats are only now learning how to play a full 60. Belichick said as much in the Jets game – he didn’t want to take the foot off the accelerator because he wanted to drill into his players the importance of playing to the final whistle for the first time in the season.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 19, 2010 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
We lose this game with or without Rodgers, so might as well sit him.
biggest challenge for our defense this season, they’ll have to give up only 3-7 points for us to win, cause I don’t see Matt Flynn leading this offense to more than 10 points.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 17, 2010 7:02 PM CST reply actions
some food for thought
The last time Brady was defeated at Foxboro in reg season:
Nov 2006 17-14 loss to the Jets. That’s over 4 years ago! Pennington was not spectacular at the time, 160 yds, TD. Brady had an OK game 255 yds/TD, and had a different team back then (no Welker or Branch). I remember this game well cause I happened to see it and Brady losing at home…well those games stick to your memory cause they’re so rare. What I remember is that the Jets D bent but not broke…the Pats have almost 400 yds of offense that day, Brady went multiple times in their RZ and could not score TDs, got frustrated in the 3rd down conversions, and did not have his usual cool in the pocket all game as he was chased around when he was about to deliver that killer pass.
The Ravens did defeat him this past January in the WC game but that game started with a Ray Rice 80 yd TD and went all downhill for Baltimore: they converted a Brady fumble in his own 17 into a quick TD a possession later, and scored another TD on a Brady INT in his own RZ, and yet added another 3 pts off another Brady INT in his own half. By the time Brady found his bearings, the Ravens were stacked to a 24-0 lead and the D took care of the rest. Flacco’s line that game: 34 yds, 1 INT. That’s correct. Although Flynn is hopefully expected to do better than that, the moral of the story for the huge underdog is: punch em in the face before they can get up, and do it again and again, cause if you just sit around and wait, you’re in for a long night. And we don’t need brilliance in QB position, cause you cannot win a shootout against Brady, but we need brilliance in D.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 17, 2010 7:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
difference is we don't have someone like Ray Rice
You don’t need a brilliant QB when you have a good running game, we have neither.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 17, 2010 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
It's longer than it seems...
Because he was injured all of 2008.
great post
rec.d and in agreement, bend but don’t break defense is the key to winning.. you know, not giving up tons of points haha
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
by PackaCracka on Dec 18, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
"bad feelings"
I’ve read a bunch of posts that pronounce a “bad feeling”. You betcha! It’s called reality. We bravely march into Boston without our star QB. Without our best rusher on the DL. Without an OLB. “bad feeling” is the understatement of the season. Somehow, Capers gotta get quick pressure on Brady and our DB’s have to maul his receivers. If that happens, the game will be interesting. Oh yeah, we gotta be able to run the football. I know that if the OL plays, that is a possibility. Hope springs eternal, but I too have a “bad feeling”.
It's almost a perfect setup
It’s the oldest story in the world – David beats Goliath.
Shoving you around is part of the game. Quit crying.
Problem being the Pats have already been Goliath'd this year by the Browns
It’s very rare that Belichick has the hammer dropped on his team by an underdog. It’s almost unheard of that it happens twice in a season.
It’s weird to refer to the Packers as an underdog, but in their current Rodgers-less state, that’s accurate.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 19, 2010 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
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