Packers Game Ball Recap: Patriots Beat Packers, 31-27
by Brandon on Dec 19, 2010 10:52 PM CST
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PrintThe Green Bay Packers are now 8-6 and have lost all six games by less than 4 points. This one was marked by big plays (an INT returned for a TD and a 71 yard kickoff return by an offensive lineman) and dropped passes (and interceptions) dooming the Packers. In many ways, the Packers dominated the game as they ran 36 more plays than the Patriots and led in time of possession 40:18 to 19:12. With their backup quarterback Matt Flynn leading them against the best team in the NFL on the road.
When looking at the players of the game on offense it's required to start with Flynn. He's not QB Aaron Rodgers, but Rodgers wouldn't have done a whole lot better. WR James Jones was the big name receiver, but he also gave up on the route that was intercepted and returned for a touchdown. RB Brandon Jackson ran for 99 yards, but also had a big dropped pass. After Flynn, I'd have to go with FB John Kuhn, who had a couple huge plays as a receiver, and was going airborne every time he touched the ball.
They didn't grab any turnovers, and they couldn't stop the Patriots from scoring a touchdown once in the red zone. But the Packers defense held the Patriots to 4 for 10 on 3rd down, and held their potent offense to only 249 yards of total offense. The big story was how they got after QB Tom Brady with so many injured pass rushers, and with another poor game from LB Clay Matthews as he's still limited by a shin injury. NT B.J. Raji blew up at least three plays all by himself, and LB Desmond Bishop had two of the biggest hits of the game.
And a big lemon for the entire kick coverage on OL Dan Connolly's 71-yard kickoff return. No one player was to blame as they blew lane containment. FB Quinn Johnson seemed to throw the big block against his own teammate to spring Connolly, S Charlie Peprah tried to strip the ball instead of tackling him, and S Atari Bigby took a bad angle as Connolly juked him. Way to blow the good vibes after recovering the surprise onside kickoff on the opening play of the game.
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Need to vote Flynn.
Who saw this game being this close?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 19, 2010 10:58 PM CST reply actions
Game Management
So are we going to blame Flynn for the ending of the game (Shouldnt) or MM for the horrible management of the end of the game. If we cant find a way to close out the game then we will never be a high caliber team. Alot of the is MM fault. Let the “you are stupid for wanting MM gone” posts begin.
I kinda agree....
McCarthy and staff really did prepare the team for this game very well. But, you’re right, I can’t help but believe that McCarthy will always lead a good team, but not a champion.
hard to say
I want to blame the end on MM, I do, I’m not a fan of the guy, but he did have some moments in the game last night that I actually was proud of him as a coach. For starters, to have the bawls to call an onside kick on the opening play of the game is the kind of moxy I want in a head coach. For once, the team didn’t look like an wet noodle in the first quarter and we came out swinging, and getting a backup QB ready for on of the biggest games of he season was quite impressive. Whatever he said to our O-line I believe did the trick. You can say that the media did if for MM, maybe, but between us begging for new linemen and Sports Center mentioning how we have maybe he worst unit around, I give some credit to MM. He also won some points for me with his post game speech “I don’t care what you think. We came here to win.” Nice to see him sack up for once. Also gald we stuck to a functioning run game for once, and didn’t try and crazy long throws.
However, I can’t help point out some of the things he did that leave me questioning. Why o God, do we not move Clay around? Once he got some pressure, he got doubled on the right. Why middlessly send him on on right blitz over and over again. The Giants move their great passrushers around all the time. Clay would have far more impact like that. Our special teams also were, well, possibly the worst thing I"ve every seen. Really, a linemen ran 71 yards? NO ONE TACKLED HIM! Idk what we can do to make it better, but something needs to be done. Another tackling issue, after Flynn threw his 1st INT in the first half, how did about half of out offense not be able to tackle him. I understad that in the NFL no one understands how to tackle anymore (WRAP THEM UP DAMNIT!)
Other than that, was nice to see Raji have a great game and Sittion battle one of the best D-linemen in the league to a standstill. Also Kuhn is a beast.
So yes, I would love to sit here and say we should get rid of MM, but after only 5 years, 2 of which must be throw out because of Favre issues and another of implementing his system (I’d even throw out the 2nd year under ROgers for the system implementation, just seems right.) And of course this year with a bazzillion injuries. I’m not quite ready to fully pass judgement on him.
Scars heal, glory fades, and you have have left are your memories. Pain hurst, but only for a minute, your life is short so go out and live it.
by packattack76 on Dec 20, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
No attacks on MM this week
I was pissed and critical of McCarthy after last weeks game, but he deserves a lot more credit for this weeks performance. A disappointing loss (with too many avoidable mistakes), but an admirable and overall good hard fought team performance.
I was and am proud of the way they played NE.
I still do not believe McCarthy is smart enough to take the team to the top, but he deserves one more year to prove himself and prove us back-seat critics wrong.
Voted Raji but Flynn played a hell of a game too. Props to McCarthy’s game plan, and for getting the guys up to play after that tough loss last week. Don’t think he did a great job managing the end of that game but oh well. Just a really disappointing loss any way you cut it.
Fire Slocum
Raji for sure
steppin up in the absence of jenkins. And also because finally getting a chance to vote for him. He’s been quietly having a solid season esp. considering all the bodies dropping off the dline.
by chewie on Dec 19, 2010 11:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Solid
Doesn’t begin to describe Raji’s season! He’s been an absolute MAN at NT and when given the chance to just penetrate he’s been stellar (like tonite)! Should be All Pro, IMO…
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
Agreed. All-pro is the perfect way to describe Raji’s season. He’s been an absolute animal. What does he have this season, 5.5 sacks? That’s amazing for a NT.
It was funny to listen to Collinsworth gush about Wilfork all game, despite Raji playing better than him, and having a much tougher matchup then him in Mankins.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
I already voted for him a week ago into the Pro Bowl
He’s definately having a Pro Bowl season. Too bad he plays NT in the 3-4 and the stats will never tell the story of his great season.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Got to give it to Flynn. Great game for a first start, unlucky ending however.
I am definitely more encouraged after this week than last week against Detroit. If Rodgers is healthy, we’ll beat New York and Chicago to make the NFC Playoffs, where I think we can beat any of those teams. But we have to play mistake free, we had to play a perfect game tonight to win, and we almost did.
by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 19, 2010 10:59 PM CST reply actions
Perfect game?
Not even close. Same stupid shit as every other game (summarized pretty well above). This team will NEVER play a game even close to perfect. It just isn’t in them.
Sadly, I agree. Seems like there will always be at least a mistake or two. Whether it’s a big kickoff return after a HUGE Td, or a bad turnover. There’s just always something. It’s ashame to, because in my opinion, we’ve been more, or just as talented as every team we’ve played and lost to this season.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Playoffs?
I believe if the Bears win tonight GB is out of the playoffs regardless of how they finish.
Nope
We’re out of the division… but if we win our last then we’re in pretty good (not guaranteed) but pretty good shape for the 6th seed and a rubber match w/ Chicago
Fire Slocum
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 20, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
Raji had the best game of the 4
Flynn played well, but did a horrible job of managing the clock on that last drive. Overall, he was pretty impressive for a guy making his first start, but the inability to manage the clock falls mostly on his shoulders. Flynn can make the short pass but his long passing game still needs work.
Kuhn made a few very good plays at important times, but didn’t get the ball enough to earn player of the game.
Bishop played well, but aside from a few big hits he wasn’t great.
But Raji played well the entire game. No criticism of his game, and he made a ton of plays and kept getting in Brady’s face. He shut down the run well, too. And equally important, he wasn’t on the field for Connolly’s big return.
Any word on Collins’ injury?
53 Bears, 1 Cup
by I voted for Kodos on Dec 19, 2010 11:02 PM CST reply actions
Agree
Voted Raji too… ANd Flynn just absolutely HAS to know the situation and that he didn’t have time to wait for a play call. Thats on Flynn… He played better than I thought possible, even tho I thought he would play well.
Raji was turned loose by Capers tonite… He wasn’t asked to be a true NT tonite, Capers mostly asked him to get upfield and penetrate into Brady’s face and he definitely did that!!! Game was how I thought the Packers had to play to win… A couple of plays beat us tho… Damn thats a tough loss, but it doesn’t hurt our playoff chances much.
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
you are wrong...
don’t know if you watched the press conference but Flynn did exactly what MM wanted.
no one on the field or sideline knew if it was a first down (refs kinda fu*ked us over) thus waiting for the proper play call.
by Chief Oshkosh on Dec 19, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
Oh that would have been nice to see the chain gang come out to measure at that point!
LOL
by Bush League All Star on Dec 19, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I was just hoping Flynn would call something.
Cause even if we get the first down, they have to rush for a spike. Only chance is an out at that point.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 19, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
Same here.
Just call anything. I am sure Flynn is a smart guy, I would have been fine with him just lining them up and calling the play himself to save time.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 19, 2010 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
yup.. probably would've ended a little differently with rodgers in there
but what can you expect from a first start?
by Chief Oshkosh on Dec 20, 2010 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
Would've started differently with Rodgers healthy, too
Would they have kicked onside for the first play if they thought they could match Brady QB-for-QB?
With Rodgers out they knew they had to play like desperate men.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 20, 2010 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
I am sure that Rodgers being out
was a big reason for the opening onside kick. But the Packers didn’t play like desperate men. Otherwise, they would have tried onside kicks every time (maybe they should have with our pathetic kick coverage) and gone for every fourth down. No, the biggest story of this game for the Patriots is that their defense is not ready to win a championship.
Agreed, Capers planned that very well
I’d said Raji would be a threat against the Pats inside linemen, and that’s exactly what he was.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 19, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
Not to take anything away from Flynn
but the Patriots D is pretty suspect. Especially since we had the running game going. But the Pats pass D has been famously bad this year.
53 Bears, 1 Cup
by I voted for Kodos on Dec 20, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Flynn
I mean, outside of a couple plays, he played great. Hope he can learn from this the next time he gets an oppurtunity like this
shut the front door!
by arodgb on Dec 19, 2010 11:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
had to go Kuhn
As awesome as Flynn was, Kuhn making plays (literally leaping for 4 first downs) was what made Flynn awesome. His cutbacks were fantastic. Nothing against Flynn, you couldn’t have asked more from Rodgers than what Flynn did.
I was also going to say Raji cause of how big the plays he made were, but in the end I just had to go with an offensive player for this one
Who cares, keep winning and you keep playing.
you win you keep playing, you lose you are done. This makes a team mentally tough or they fold like a deck of cards, so what’s it gonna be?
by redraidercominatya on Dec 19, 2010 11:04 PM CST reply actions
Was torn w/ Flynn and Kuhn
but went w/ Flynn becasue he played one hell of a game in his first start
Fire Slocum
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 19, 2010 11:05 PM CST reply actions
Hey people
Just wanted to pop over and say good game.
Your Packers showed a hell of a lot of grit and fire; Flynn’s a fine QB and Raji gave Brady as much strife up the middle as I was dreading. Kuhn’s a major headache (and in a good way for Green Bay), and the DBs as threatening as I suspected.
Major props to the coaching staff – they took the ball away from Brady with the onside kicks, and kept it away from the dangerous Pats KRers with the constant squibbing. They did everything possible to make it a battle of the defences, which is a brilliant move on their part.
Good luck for the rest of the season!
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Contributing Writer at PatsPulpit
Thanks
I’d love to say see you again in a month or so… but I have a feeling only 1 of us stands a chance of making it there… and it sure ain’t us
Fire Slocum
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 19, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Stranger things have happened. And I'd wish you guys all the luck for beating your next few opponents.
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Contributing Writer at PatsPulpit
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 19, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
you guys have showed me how awesome patriot fans can be this last week. please come over again
and good luck until the superbowl, where we will be beating you.
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by blackoutsox on Dec 19, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
you guys have been the best fans so far this season
Non Sibi Sed Patriae &I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."
"Stampede Blue-North Korea of SBN"-Colt's fan
by NinjaZX6R on Dec 19, 2010 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hey! your making me blush!
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 19, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously, you guys are up there
Browns and Steelers are hardcore trolls, Jets fans are, well, Jets fans…
It’s been fun, I might come around again.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 19, 2010 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
I imagine if I'd been around during the past week,
I’d be saying the same thing about Patriots fans. However, a Patriots fan just trolled me on Facebook.
Conversation started with him asking me “what I thought a real team looked like” and ended with me debunking nearly everything he said and telling him “to stuff it”. I normally don’t talk like that. He also claimed since he was in the service, he could come onto my profile and talk like that while since I haven’t served, I can’t.
Other Patriots fans I’ve spoken to since the game have taken a more sensible approach to this game tonight.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 19, 2010 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
I suppose that's the difference between a football site and Facebook
We’re a sensible lot. I do admit I did just watch the lineman Connolly run back his kickoff three times on YouTube, just to make sure it was real. Hah.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 20, 2010 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
I bet.
My status update around that time reflected that.
Packers “special teams” strike again. I may vomit.
But yes, most people I’ve encountered on SB Nation are nice and sensible.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 20, 2010 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
I thought it was the right decision to squib
Brandon Tate ran back two KR touchdowns in the first month of the season, and every ST unit since has been playing him with the kid gloves and kicking it for touchbacks or whatever. I don’t mind the choice to squib, although the execution wasn’t ideal for GB.
At least you didn’t kick a short onside kick and have it returned for a TD like in the Colts game? Hah.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 20, 2010 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah, that had me laughing.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 20, 2010 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
I believe I will continue to resist all efforts
to get me to join that national database known as Facebook. :)
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is still more than half-full!
High five, dude
Fuck that “social networking” BS.
'TAAAAAAANNNK!!!' - Any of Francis, Louis, Bill, or Zoey
But the one known as Google is okay?
"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473
by NorthSidePaulie on Dec 20, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure what you're talking about.
Google is nothing more than a search engine to me.
I use it as such, exclusively, and have never ‘registered’ or ‘signed up’; therefore it is not a “national database” that could potentially be used against me.
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is still more than half-full!
Terrif
And that’s what they want – they don’t need your name, they don’t need your number, all they want is your search history. Based on that, they’ll feed you ads, and if those ads suck, tell ‘em, and they’ll get you some new ones.
Where did you think they make their money?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I may be a little paranoid, but
ads, and making money, has nothing to do with what I was referring to.
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is still more than half-full!
All fanbases are the same...
..There will be asses and good sports. I don’t think anyone is better than anyone else.
Some the asses are far more tolerated
And I know some of the worse trolling I saw was at the hands of writers and moderators of the sites – I’m looking atchu, Steelers.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 20, 2010 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
Moderator at Daily Norseman encourages Vikings fans to troll here every time we lose.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 20, 2010 6:23 AM CST up reply actions
who?
Non Sibi Sed Patriae &I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."
"Stampede Blue-North Korea of SBN"-Colt's fan
Just go over there.
Head guy at DN.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 20, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Um
Kim Il-Shoe wannabe.
Wisconsin, Big Ten Champions for the first time since 1999...
You'll notice NCAA has no letter for the incompetence within...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 20, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
oh him
Non Sibi Sed Patriae &I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."
"Stampede Blue-North Korea of SBN"-Colt's fan
Thanks
Seriously, you guys are up there
with you guys. :)
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is still more than half-full!
Well you're not invited :P
haha, j/k. You Patriot fans have been a class act. Come by any time and hate on the Giants (another damn NY team) and da frickin’ Bears.
'TAAAAAAANNNK!!!' - Any of Francis, Louis, Bill, or Zoey
Oh man
Hating the Giants? After 2007 and Helmet-ball? That won’t be hard at all…
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Contributing Writer at PatsPulpit
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 20, 2010 3:34 AM CST up reply actions
Got to give the Packers credit. They came in to a stadium where Brady was 26-0 and dominated for 59 minutes and 40 seconds. Just the inexperience of your backup QB and some questionable timeouts lost you the game , but Flynn played well. Great defense even with injuries, offense that dominated the time of possession, and gutsy calls for the most part.
Personally I was worried once everyone started proclaiming the Pats were in the Superbowl and were about to blow out the Packers…and I was right to be.
Thanks for the props
Although a lot of folks are still steamed about that last drive, the thing that made it possible was Belichick going no-huddle against our weak nickel package earlier in the 4th quarter. It staggered us and was exactly what you guys needed to get you back in command of the game. Well-called and well-executed. Congrats.
It was fun yapping with y’all this week. If your game threads weren’t so insane, I’d consider joining you guys for one or two during the playoffs.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I'm sure out guys would say the same about the non-interception
Banta-Cain had a hand in his facemask and responded in kind. Bleh.
I’m not sure anyone’s happy with Hochuli’s crew. Some strange, strange calls.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 19, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
what...trying to impress the "big man"
Non Sibi Sed Patriae &I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."
"Stampede Blue-North Korea of SBN"-Colt's fan
You have your quotes wrong!
“Trying” to impress the big man. Some of those explanations were horrid.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 19, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't have a clue what he was talking about half the time
Called DPI on a ball that went out of bounds to set up the Green Bay TD in the first half. I’m cool with that call if it was a ‘holding’ – doesn’t matter where the ball ends up on a hold – but a DPI on an uncatchable ball? Eh.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 19, 2010 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
Was that the one on the 3 yard line?
by Bush League All Star on Dec 19, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
Two Green Bay WRs lined up to the right, crossing route, S got tangled up and grabbed Jennings. I have no problem with a penalty – but only if it was holding. It wasnt DPI, because that ball was uncatchable. It went at least two yards out of play.
The explanations were awful, considering Goodell was in attendance. Bleh.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 20, 2010 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
Either way it is a wash though. ;/
Holding/Illegal contact would have been an automatic first with the same distance given.
Hochuli just throws flags to show off his massive biceps or something.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2010 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
Holding would've been correct, though
It’s more the principle. Holding was the correct call, but they called DPI. Yet it wasn’t DPI, because that ball was uncatchable.
I guess it’s just like this is the game they choose to showcase, yet they bungle calls on the goal-line.
And that interception erased for the facemask infraction when everyone’s hands was in everyone else’s facemask… eh.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 20, 2010 12:23 AM CST up reply actions
They played an excellent 59 minutes w/ just a few hiccups. McCarthy had a great game plan and executed it to the T. Things went bad at the worst possible time at the end of the game and they just didnt look prepared for it. I dont think thats something for anyone to be wanted fired for especially after the previous 59 minutes.And this is not coming from a 100% McCartthy supporter.
Favre 4 Ever
I Believe In Chris Drury
Plase please fire Coach Mikw McMoran!
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
Please please fire Coach Slocum!
Fixed.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 19, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Pats already had two opposition ST coaches fired this season.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Contributing Writer at PatsPulpit
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 20, 2010 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
A lot of us have been screaming for Slocum to be axed for a while now.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 20, 2010 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
Packers already had two opposition head coaches fired this season.
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 20, 2010 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
+1
Although surely the Packers would’ve preferred Childress stay on? He was so awful…
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 20, 2010 12:28 AM CST up reply actions
lol. there was actually a serious debate on here about that
we kinda did want him to stay to watch that team tank further. but we also enjoy collecting heads too
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 20, 2010 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
If you can take Rex Ryan's, we'd approve highly.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Contributing Writer at PatsPulpit
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 20, 2010 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
Well,
we shut out the Jests, in their place, but it wasn’t enough, apparently.
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is still more than half-full!
That still doesn't make him shut up.
Nor does 45-3 on MNF.
Ridiculous.
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Contributing Writer at PatsPulpit
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 20, 2010 3:35 AM CST up reply actions
Like father, like son! :)
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is still more than half-full!
Didn't get Singletary
Maybe we can get Lovie’s after Week 18.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
thats what Im thinking.
3/4 aint bad. and I like Singletary
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 20, 2010 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
I do too
I’m allowed to like certain oppo players and he’s one.
"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473
by NorthSidePaulie on Dec 20, 2010 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
We actually should be happy Chilly is gone
And cheering for Jow Webb and Leslie Frazier for the next two weeks. If we and Vikings win out (the last Vikes game doesn’t matter) we would just need Philly to end the regular season with a loss for a 1st round bye
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 20, 2010 9:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
And the last Philly game is in Dallas so that's very possible
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 20, 2010 9:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Packers caused one coach's firing.
The other was an assistant coach in Minnesota, behind head coach Favre.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 20, 2010 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
zing!
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 20, 2010 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
And when assistant head coach Moss muscled in, he cut Moss's legs out.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 20, 2010 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not calling that fucker "coach"
But i agree 100%. He has GOT to go…
'TAAAAAAANNNK!!!' - Any of Francis, Louis, Bill, or Zoey
This from somewbody
who mis-spells both Mike and moron
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is still more than half-full!
whoosh
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 20, 2010 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
HAHA!
I don’t know if I should link the post or not!
by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2010 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
That last minute just killed me inside.
Got to have a play ready in the that situation and if not, run the same play. Blew 20 seconds standing there debating. Played a fantastic game, and this one just stings.
Flynn played very well and did many good things. Defense just couldnt come up with a big stop, and that KR from the lineman killed a lot of momentum.
Win the next two and we in. Anything can happen with that.
Another 4th qtr. letdown for our D
gave up 10 4th qtr. points after playing pretty solid all game. How many times has that happened the last 3 yrs.?
by bigbill992001 on Dec 20, 2010 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
Can we have an admin here agree on something?
If “NJ Pack Fan” shows up with another one of his drive-by, horribly spelled FanPosts, we delete the piece of garbage and get rid of the guy?
Just a thought :)
by Packers3485 on Dec 19, 2010 11:12 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
I vote yes.
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 19, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
I can get on board with this.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 19, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
Well,
Baseball starts in about 4 months…
don't forget to brush your teeth.
by Drew C on Dec 19, 2010 11:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I love baseball just as much as football
but we win out and we’re in. dont worry about baseball yet.
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 19, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
Ditto on the Baseball
But really, the only thing last night the Packers lost was a chance to win the NFC North. The Bears will take care of business against Joe Webb, but if We two home games, then we’re in.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
Baseball's the King of Sports to me
but despite some VERY interesting off season action for our team as well as the Brewers, the Packers still have life and the Badgers have a NYD bowl. After the Rose Bowl or the last GBP playoff game (whichever comes later and you know which one I hope it is), then my sights turn fully to baseball.
"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473
by NorthSidePaulie on Dec 20, 2010 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
a very good trade for the brewers in my opinion.
and while the brewers are my second team, my first team is the sox, and to see that pitcher leave the division has made me very happy.
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 19, 2010 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
I'm still wishy washy
The Brewers literally sold their entire Farm Club this offseason. After this season, they may not have a future. It truly is an ALL-IN move. I guess that’s the difference between Doug Melvin and Ted Thompson. It is unlikely you will ever see an act of desperation like this under the TT tenure. Hopefully it pays off for the Brewers. I’m already very much opposed to Melvin’s moves for the most part every offseason, but hopefully this one works out. I did like the Marcum trading though. Literally though, it’s World Series or Bust for the Brewers. They have no Farm Club anymore. Their Top 5 Minor League Prospects are all gone in 1 offseason.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Well
the Sox IIRC have done relatively well against Greinke. And his leaving the AL Central helps the Twins and Tigers too.
But the Brewers ought to be fun to watch for a change.
"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473
by NorthSidePaulie on Dec 20, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
Not as long as they keep playing for the long ball every single AB
And trying to look pretty striking out. Jesus, you’d think they were the ’98 Cubs…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Don't remind me
I’m cardinals fan and my team keeps getting all “gritty”
Ugh.
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 20, 2010 10:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Congrats on Theriot
You’ll enjoy him as much as Aaron Miles…
I just want the O-line to play smarter.
The ST to not suck ass and give opponents short field. Finally the run offense woke up and said, “Hey there is a hole! I will just run fast through it!”
The big plays on defense just weren’t there. A lot of opportunities for interceptions and missed them. :/
We got help this week, and I am optimistic about the coming weeks. Just need some players to get healthy (Cullen get healthy, Clay get healthy!) and ST to stop sucking ass.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 19, 2010 11:23 PM CST reply actions
Rodgers needs to get healthy too.
Let’s hope Rodgers will pass all his tests to be able to play next weekend.
It was great that the OL played better but frustrating too because it’s like, where the hell have you guys been all season, you know? Had they shown up against the Redskins, Falcons, and Lions I think those games could have turned out differently.
And I kind of feel the same way about our guys coming out tough, and ready to play. It’s great that it happened, especially considering how things went last week for us, but it’s like damn, where has that fire been all season? And why don’t we see that fire when we play lesser opponents?
I guess we just gotta’ hope that we continue to see that fire cause if we do, I think we could have a real shot at doing something in the playoffs.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
A great performance ruined by coaching decisions
With this HC we’re going nowhere, period.
I’m just gonna take one episode, the one that tilted the game. Wasn’t their kickoff return, or their INT return, it was this:
1st and goal on their 2 yd line – all of a sudden BJax is having the game of his life and he doesn’t see the football. Where the hell is common sense with this coach? I mean, let’s stop with everything else and ask:
MM where is your common sense, man?
How many times have we thrown away points at the opponent one yd line because of poor coaching decisions? I lost count
The fact that we continue to come up short in this fashion time and again goes back to coaching. Good team, not so good coaching. Not going far with MM, sorry. I don’t have any confidence in him. Zero.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 19, 2010 11:28 PM CST reply actions
oh dear lord
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 19, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
A lot of those thrown away points
Were b/c he DID call runs for Jackson and Kuhn and they’d get STUFFED.
At that point in the game, Kuhn was killing them. He was getting first downs every time he touched the ball.
So he gave the ball to Kuhn twice.
This is your evidence? Talk about a reach.
by Packers3485 on Dec 19, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
evidence?
The guy ran for 100 yds…he was ripping 5 yds a pop bro?
what else do you want?
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 19, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
Against a Belichick D, though
He’ll give you soft yardage as long as you do it to his pace – 5 yards at a time, in the middle of the field.
And it was a Belichick D in the Red Zone, too – tightened up and only gave 2 TDs from 5 Red Zone attempts. That’s the same kind of stat line against the Steelers or Colts or Ravens.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 19, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
so BJax is not even worth one try?
Cmon man…
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 19, 2010 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
hes not a back you'd want for that one yard
hes an open field catching back
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 19, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
Tonight he was
I was surprised to see it, but he was! and we didn’t use him when we should have
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 19, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
And if he didn't get it
I guarantee you would be on here screaming about how stupid McCarthy gave it to our glorified 3rd down back instead of giving it to a power guy.
by Packers3485 on Dec 19, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
Try him on 1st down
Logical thing to to….they couldn’t stop him all night
Then try Kunh the bootleg or the Prohibition and all the fancy book
With MM logic is backwards.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 19, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
The point is
Giving the ball to Jackson is EXACTLY the sort of call that people have been complaining about. It’s happened in so many games now it’s ridiculous. Short yardage situation – handoff to BJax – stuffed at the line – people come out of the woodwork screaming “WHY WOULD YOU GIVE IT TO JACKSON THERE, MCCARTHY????”
No matter what the play call was, if it didn’t work out, you would be on here talking about how horrible a decision it was.
It was 1st and 2nd on the goal line. He gave the ball to our power back who had been getting first downs like they were nothing. I disagree with the formation he used (Kuhn should have been the HB, not the FB), but the playcall was solid. The execution wasn’t Get over it.
by Packers3485 on Dec 19, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
Further on the point
Making the wrong play over and over is EXACTLY what people complain about. Of course MM is the sort of coach/playcaller who would hand of to Bjax when he has 5 yds 10 carries and ignore him when he’s getting 50 yds in 10 carries.
Can’t get over this. Stupidity makes me mad.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 19, 2010 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
Better not listend to yourself then... You might have to kill yourself!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Dec 19, 2010 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So, giving the ball to your power back on the goal line, who is also on a roll, is "stupidity"
Because your third down back is also on a roll?
Like I said, major reach here, buddy.
by Packers3485 on Dec 19, 2010 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
giving the ball to him twice
yes sir, it is stupidity. MM would go back to the play that doesn’t work and waste downs. Didn’t we see that against the Falcons? Same situation
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 19, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
..........
Brandon Jackson is the guy you’d want if you think there might be a big hole to run through. He is not the guy you want when you have 7 defenders on the line of scrimmage, with nearly everyone blitzing, in a goalline situation.
Is it really that hard to understand?
by Packers3485 on Dec 20, 2010 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
what's hard to understand
is us not converting again within inches of RZ.
It makes me furious.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
Meet Mr Belichick
He makes people mad.
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Contributing Writer at PatsPulpit
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 20, 2010 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
tonight it wasn't him though
It was our Eric Mangini
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
2 TDs in 5 Red Zone visits is par for the norm of a good Hoodie D
The D might give up a bunch of 3rd down conversions and yards, but it tightens up in the RZ.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 20, 2010 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
I wish I was mad because of the hoodie
We had you, man. By the cojones we did.
damn you, Eric.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
Eh
I was worried when the Pats had that pick called back. It felt like “oh god, there’s a change in momentum, it’s over”.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 20, 2010 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
i dont see the comparsions to eric mangini.
he really is a horrible coach. threatening to lockup his players if they dont win.
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 20, 2010 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
You don't understand RfMVP's mindset
Any time a playcall doesn’t work, it means McCarthy is an awful coach.
by Packers3485 on Dec 20, 2010 12:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But those weren't in the Red Zone...
If you think a guy will run on a Belichick Red Zone D because he’s had success at midfield, you obviously didn’t see any of the 2001, 2003 or 2004 Patriots Super Bowl teams.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 19, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
Regardless
Brandon Jackson had a great game. If you saw his runs, they had hard time tackling him and bringing him down. He was getting 2-3 extra yds after he was wrapped up. I thought I was seeing Arian Foster there.
That’s worth a RZ carry within 2 yd line…
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
Compressed field in the Red Zone
In the middle of the field he can wrong-foot LBs. When they’re camped on their own goal-line, it’s all downhill tackling. Slightly different kettle of fish.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 20, 2010 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
I'll disagree if only on the premise that the D-Line was decimated by injuries and tired
They should have gone for it but the safe call was the field goal. Against a really good Patriots team, that’s a good choice.
At that point, I would have switched Bjax for Quinn and tried to stuff Kuhn in from the I or a power formation.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 19, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
hate that fb sneak, thought the reason why Q has a roster spot was for situations like this. why not let 45 lead for kuhn?
by chewie on Dec 19, 2010 11:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I can see that
You have to change it up on occasion though, and give it to the FB. It’s a quicker play and you’re looking for only 1 yard.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Same D kept everyone else out on the ground
I didn’t actually think the playcalling was bad in the Red Zone. They were trying to put pressure on the young Pats secondary instead of trying to run it against the experienced Patriots D-line.
Vince Wilfork was having a heck of a game and has more experience than the Patriots secondary added together.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 19, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
But the same play twice in a row? And especially a FB dive? Kuhn’s effective as a runner when he can get going a little bit. It’s hard to really get going when you’re only a step or two away from the line.
I think it’s a perfectly valid thing to question.
It’s like some of you guys just want to throw anyone who criticizes McCarthy into some knee jerk group but that really isn’t the case. If you really look at those 2 play calls, and think about the circumstances it’s something can easily be questioned.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
I am questioning not giving the ball to Brandon Jackson
It was his night last night. They didn’t have an answer for him. It’s like the kid in NBA who’s got the hot hand and wins you the game.
if you give him the ball….
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, because Kuhn couldn't do anything to help the team last night
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Kuhn had a great game
but he was stuffed on the first try.
Why not go to Bjax?
Why keep pounding the play that doesn’t work?
In ATL, MM pounded the QB sneak until AR fumbled the ball. You don’t see anything wrong with this?
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah!!!
Why not give it to the guy who has been consistently stuffed behind the line on essentially EVERY SINGLE SHORT YARDAGE SITUATION THIS YEAR we’ve given him?
That would be a great playcall!!!
Good God.
by Packers3485 on Dec 20, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
because it was his night to shine
Don’t you get that? For some reason, he was ON.
Good God!
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Well yeah, but you have to consider what formations he was successful running from, and those were the shotgun, and 3 WR looks. All of those formations are passing formations. Him running from those was kind of an element of surprise type of thing. Most of the those run plays were with only seven guys in box, expecting pass.
It’s a whole other ball game when you’ve got 7-8 down linemen in goaline formation expecting the run.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Look at the way he ran last night
On tackles, he was missed on consistently. When he was wrapped up, he gained a few more yds. He ran with a purpose, like never this year. I couldn’t believe I was watching Brandon Jackson. This was not the Bjax who can’t get back to the line of scrimmage.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
And I don’t disagree with that but like I said above, that wasn’t in short yardage situations. Jackson just doesn’t run with much power. Period. Normally he goes down upon first contact.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
because it was his night to shine
It’s not a Broadway show buddy. Just because he was performing well in between the 20’s doesn’t mean he’s going to succeed in a goal line situation.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
and how would you know?
Forgot, you must come from MM school of thought. The 5-16 school.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Also, running B-Jack in that situation is probably coming from the 0-21 school
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Yeah, I don’t think giving it to Jackson in that situation would have been smart. Nance is much better than him in short yardage situations. Jackson runs with next to no power.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Oh well, I don’t really think that’s a valid question. Jackson was doing most of his damage on those shotgun draw plays, and he runs with little to no power. I think giving the ball to Kuhn was the right decision without a doubt. I just think it would have been to do so from the Rb position on that second try.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
This guy just doesn't understand
Brandon Jackson is a good RB in situations where the defense might be expecting a pass – he’s quick enough to make them pay if they leave a hole open, and his skills in the passing game are good.
In a situation where you have 5-6 defensive linemen, all 11 guys in the box……not so much.
But apparently, we should be giving it Jackson because “it was his night to shine!!!!!”
well, you and I would never know what would have happened
what we know is that we came up short again. And that stings.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Sure, it "stings"
But the fact that a play ends up unsuccessful does not mean it was a bad call by a horrible head coach.
This is what you seem incapable of understanding.
3 plays
Yes, they were bad calls from a mediocre head coach. No, he’s not horrible. Just average.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Well since he's already taken us to an NFCCG, I would say thats going somewhere!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
I thought you were a SB or bust guy
When it convenes you I guess….
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 19, 2010 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
You were quoting the past though
with this coaching, we’re not going anywhere Stroh. Wake up
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 19, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
Believe what you want... I believe in the packers! Apparently you don't?!! Wake up!!!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Dec 19, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I don't believe in this coach
I’m sick and tired of these Fups…can’t overcome all this
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 19, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
I agree that McCarthy should give up his play calling duties
But that doesn’t mean he’s a bad Head Coach. I think with less stress from having to call plays he may be able to make better decisions in managing the game. Remember, it is him that developed Rodgers and even Flynn. It is him that keeps our offense near the top of the league. It was him that brought in Dom Capers when nobody else did. He isn’t as bad as you think. He has the perfect chemistry with TT come draft day as well. They know who to draft and who they can work with.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
so assign him as a QB coach
Apparently that’s his skill. We’re asking him to do something he cannot do.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
Then you lose a couple things
For starters, McCarthy wouldn’t stay here if demoted. That is a very very rare occurance anywhere. 2nd, then he is just teaching the basics and the QB’s are thrown into a new system that the Head Coach prefers.
McCarthy’s not perfect, but what Head Coach is? Regardless of who we hire we are all going to be critics of one thing or another. Maybe a change would be good, but maybe not. Remember, the wrong hire can definately set the team back even further. It can ruin everything. It’s not a wise move if we are unsure at this point. I think if the team stays healthy next year, it will make TT’s job a little easier in deciding what to do. Personally, I think he’ll finish the remaining 2 years of his contract. Who knows what will happen after that.
There are a lot of bad hires in the league and it really sets the team back. The questions are: Will McCarthy give up his play calling duties, How will he solve the Special Teams problems, and will the less responsibilities in play calling improve his clock management?
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
This
is about where I stand.
"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473
by NorthSidePaulie on Dec 20, 2010 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
If it’d allow him to finally fix our special teams, and have our guys coming out with the fire they did last night to start games off I’d be all for it. Maybe it’d help him manage the games better when they get down to the wire to.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Typing with little light, here
meant Rec’d (usually, I use the preview button; fail this time, haha)
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is still more than half-full!
We all believe in the Packers, we wouldn’t all comment here religiously if we didn’t. Some just don’t believe in the coach, and I think it’s warranted.
You know football Stroh, so you tell me if being 5-16 in close games as a head coach is just a some bad bounces or a trend? At what point does that record start to become of concern? How about the team consistently coming out flat against lesser opponents? At what point does that become a concern? How about the special teams? They’ve consistently been poor for 4 years now. Why hasn’t someone been brought in to straighten them out? Because McCarthy does have his say in hiring staff members if I’m not mistaken. Honestly, at what point do all of those things become concerning?
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Who's to say SB can't happen this year?
If we win out there’s two teams above us that are maybe scary…Atlanta & Philly.
It is possible but at the same time it seems unlikely because of the mistakes. It seems like we consistently make mistakes game in and game out, and against the best, you just can’t do that.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
NJ Pack Fan?
Is that you? No, it doesn’t have the spelling errors.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 19, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
maybe he used spell check
nahhhh
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 19, 2010 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
I wish there was an option, where instead of a rec
You could vote it down, and with enough votes (4 maybe) it would disappear.
by Packers3485 on Dec 19, 2010 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
At BCB, we've been calling for an "unrec" button for a looong time
They still haven’t listened to us.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
And you might be wondering why I've boycotted BCB since Santo died.
This is why.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 19, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
what did Al do now?
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 19, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
Not so much him,
Just some of the other people there I can’t stand.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 19, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
i need more than that
you have me hooked now
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 19, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Email me,
I’ll tell you.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 19, 2010 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Everything I've seen over there has been a love-fest
But I’ll admit I didn’t get too far into any thread. It’s just not baseball-talkin’ weather, y’know?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
BCB?
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Depends on context:
Brew Crew Ball (the better one)
Bleed Cubbie Blue
by Bush League All Star on Dec 19, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
"better" is a generous word
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 19, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
There are days when I agree with him
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Same here.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 19, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
The people on the Astros' SBNation blog suck
They’re kind of douchy.
'TAAAAAAANNNK!!!' - Any of Francis, Louis, Bill, or Zoey
Bleed Cubbie Blue
Known to most of the denizens here as The Other BCB.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Heard that..
I’ve been a boycotter since July. People there couldn’t see the reality that that team was a 75 or so win team. They always want to blame the manager..Baylor, Dusty, Lou..most there wouldn’t know a good manager if he bit them in the ass and have been watching bad baseball so long they don’t know what good baseball looks like.
Sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.
Well, it was one poster there,
Who I have a real problem with. Even worse, this guy is one of Al’s favorites, so he got away with things because of this.
In July, he and I got into numerous thread fights over Ryan Theriot, and even after chilango2 and I filed a joint complaint, all he had to do was apologize. In September, this person, who is also a Bears fan, tried telling me what I can and can’t say. That incident made me think his apology in July was not genuine, and I began disappearing from BCB from then on.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 20, 2010 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
You're taking something that lead to 14 points and comparing it to something that would have been a net gain of four.
Yes that would have been nice to see the game tied at that point so all Flynn has to do is kick a FG. But the Packers shoot themselves in the foot with special teams and just downright ugly football. Packers should have won it without having a last second drive, we really outplayed the Pats. But this is another case of shooting ourselves in the foot. :/
by Bush League All Star on Dec 19, 2010 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
Clarity:
Flynn would have had to set up a FG. :)
by Bush League All Star on Dec 19, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
2 Words
Bill Cowher.
I bet if Green Bay were available, he’d want it.
don't forget to brush your teeth.
by Drew C on Dec 20, 2010 8:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Really
last I heard was Carolina since he or his wife has family/ semi live there
Fire Slocum
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 20, 2010 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
thats what I thought too..
the Houston thing came up last week on either NFl or ESPN..can’t remember which..they are saying Kubiak will get fired after the season, and that Cowher really gets along well with ownership there..just speculation of course
Sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.
He is a coach NO team can pass on...
don't forget to brush your teeth.
by Drew C on Dec 20, 2010 8:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
yep..
and one of a very few I would say fire McCarthy today for…if he could co-exist with TT
Sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.
Thats the thing
Cowher would want a good chuck of player control and as much as I love TT… I think he has too big of an ego to give up that level of power/control
Fire Slocum
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 20, 2010 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
Lets be honest
Is it really Slocum’s coaching or TT failure to give this team the players special teams needs to be effective?
All our effective and experienced ST players are on IR or play regular roles due to other injuries!!!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
I think We’re better off just going onside kicks all the time and going 4 down the entire game.
by chewie on Dec 19, 2010 11:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I may have mentioned this before...
but there’s a high school team in Ohio that does just that. And, they always go for 2, and always go for it on 4th dn. No matter the score.
by bigbill992001 on Dec 20, 2010 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
they've actually won a lot, and run up stats like you can't believe
their last couple of QBs, both of whom were the coaches son, have like a gazillion yrds. But, what’s most telling is that the 1st son is mid-major player and not producing. Maybe it’s the “going for it” that counts?
by bigbill992001 on Dec 20, 2010 1:23 AM CST up reply actions
I'm kind of sick of this argument
Yeah, I get that there are injuries, but how freaking hard is it to stay in your lanes on kickoff coverage? I’d be willing to be that most of these guys have played special teams at multiple levels, and Slocum can’t coach them up well enough to feel comfortable kicking the ball like a normal team? That’s pathetic.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
It’s not. It’s by far the easiest thing to coach in football. But if you watch our kickoff coverage, it’s like they’re all running down there with their heads cut off. No lane discipline at all. And I’d say it’s on the players but don’t you think a bunch of 22+ year old men should be capable of running down their damn lanes? I mean honestly. Yes, they’re generally not as talented as the guys who play defense/offense but they don’t really have to be to cover a kick.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Has that been the case for the past three seasons though too? Because they were bad all of those years as well.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
well we DID get a touch back
so I have no idea at this point
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 19, 2010 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
what did you guys think of that 71 yard KO return by Connelly?
just wondering
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i suggested kicking shawn slocum in the balls until my foot broke
others responded with artillery strikes and nuclear tactics
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by blackoutsox on Dec 19, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
but it really wasnt surprising. our special teams have been this bad all year, and have lost several games for us
we have managed to somewhat play around these mistakes so far however.
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 19, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
In a vacuum, it was hilarious and awe-inspiring
From a fan’s perspective, it was yet more proof that Slocum should be out as our ST coach.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
And what did you guys think of Collinsworth riding Wilfork's jock like they just started dating?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
no silly he likes dumb barely legal women
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezm66VaNL6o
Non Sibi Sed Patriae &I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."
"Stampede Blue-North Korea of SBN"-Colt's fan
Wilfork barely gets any press time because he's a 3-4 NT
So the rare occasions he does, it’s pretty easy to just think of it like him finally getting his due.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 20, 2010 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
*sigh*
Kinda figured that would be the response. Seriously, rewind the game and listen to the commentary with your eyes closed. By the second quarter, the confused cameramen were following Wilfork based on Collinsworth’s anointing him as the second coming. And coming, and coming, and coming…
For a spectacle, it was cute. For a broadcast, it was utter shite.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Kinda annoying but no more so than his goofy laughing during Connelly's return
Either way, good game plan by your coaching staff. Just wasn’t quite enough.
Maybe
we could lure Nolan Cromwell back over from the Rams, where he is coaching their receivers.
I really liked him when he was coaching our special teams under Holmgren.
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is still more than half-full!
That was a pretty big play.
Gave you guys the ball in our territory with like 2 minutes left on the clock. That hurt a lot.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 19, 2010 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
Though I was pissed initially, after the play was finished, I couldn’t help but break down, and LMAO.
here is the vid in hd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELtnlu7ymh8&feature=player_embedded#!
Non Sibi Sed Patriae &I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."
"Stampede Blue-North Korea of SBN"-Colt's fan
all it needs is some Yakety Sax
but i was also thinking, well on the brightside he could have exhausted himself outta the game. Not sure if that was the reason he left.
by chewie on Dec 20, 2010 12:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
he suffered a head injury on that 3rd and goal td pass to Hernandez
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Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."
"Stampede Blue-North Korea of SBN"-Colt's fan
I was actually pretty impressed with MM’s play calling today. He kept it balanced, and that is what you need to win football games. I just wish he would do that more often. Tuff loss today, but at least they hung in there till the very and stayed competitive against one of the hottest teams right now. We just need to win out the rest of the season, and hope the Bears lose tomorow, or next week.
yup. the run to pass ratio was perfect
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 19, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
This is not a pole vault competition
Balance doesn’t count much when you lose. And there’s no moral victories in football. We had the chance to pull off the biggest upset of the week and came up short.
Because of impressive playcalling.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
Is it not a moral victory to nearly beat one of the best teams in football without your starting QB?
No
cause we’re 8-6.
This is the moral of this game.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
If you watched the Packers this year,
You’d realize most of us are tired of “moral victories”, coming so close to winning and then losing in heartbreaking fashion. I’d rather get blown out than lose like this every single time.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
GO BADGERS! WIN THE ROSE BOWL!!!!!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 20, 2010 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
thats true. I want some really wins starting next week.
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
by blackoutsox on Dec 20, 2010 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
No Way
I remember the blow outs of the 80s. You do not want to go down that road. Close games against good teams mean we’re a good team. We could have won that game. If two plays went our way or we had A-rod, we have a chance to beat them. That tells me that if we get into the playoffs, we’re not going to be a stepping stone. We’re a legit team and yeah, it sucks loosing, but trust me, it sucks being blown out even more.
I hate the patriots... and kittens.
by Smeefers on Dec 20, 2010 8:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Again
there’s a reason I’m glad Wisconsin football has gotten to its current state.
I would really be fed up with the Packers if they got destroyed by 4 touchdowns, 6 times a year.
Wisconsin, Big Ten Champions for the first time since 1999...
You'll notice NCAA has no letter for the incompetence within...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 20, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Yep. It’s getting to the point where a moral victory just isn’t enough, especially against better teams. It was the same thing with Atlanta earlier this season.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Moral victories
are for LOSERS! You don’t win championships with MORAL victories.
by bigbill992001 on Dec 20, 2010 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
Jeez
You’ve complained about ONE freaking playcall, and you’re going to say that MM didn’t call a pretty good game? You’d be hard pressed to find a coach that didn’t make a single call that his fan base disagreed with over the course of a game. And you’re also ridiculous for thinking we should give B-Jax the ball at the goal line, but that’s an argument you apparently don’t understand.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
by GoGregGo on Dec 20, 2010 7:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
One playcall
Is the whole game. That’s one playcall too many for those who keep count. That’s what separates great coaching from so so coaching that we’re stuck with. What’s ridiculous is we continue to pile up these close losses and still pat our HC in the back for the excellent job he’s done
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
That’s one playcall too many for those who keep count.
Nevermind then. I thought I was arguing with a rational person.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
by GoGregGo on Dec 20, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
is 5-16 rational enough to you?
Just spare the cheapshot and look at the record. Our record in close games.
Those losses are from “the one freaking playcall”. I guess you’re too rational to even pay attention to that.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Those losses are from "the one freaking playcall".
I’m too rational to consider this argument.
Come on man. If you want to criticize MM’s performance in close games, fine, whatever. But to suggest that those losses are from “one freaking playcall” is borderline psychotic. Some of those losses couldn’t possibly have to do with penalties (Bears this year), ST (too many to count), our defense sitting in a shell late in games (several last year), etc, right?
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
There is one key moment in every close game
When the game is won or lost. MM keeps fumbling that moment up. Apparently you don’t see it or don’t want to see it.
Last night, it was first and goal at NE 2 YD line with one qtr to play. We go up by 10, we stand a great chance of winning that game. We didn’t. And you know the rest. They scored 10 pts, seized the game, and we scored none.
Yet people keep giving MM a pass for another great game he called. Yet he messed up the play of the game.
NE underestimated us big time yesterday. We did not expect to see that. We had them open for the knockout punch and couldn’t deliver it. Cause our HC just doesn’t have it.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Yet he messed up the play of the game.
Translation:
Yet he messed up my arbitrarytheplay of the game by calling a play that I am alone in disagreeing with.
Also:
There is one key moment in every close game
This wasn’t the 71-yard kick-off return? Or Charles Woodson dropping a sure INT? Or the 8-yard sack on first down of the last drive? Or the Flynn pick-6? I call horse shit. There are many key plays in a close game, not just one.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
if you watch football...
You’d understand that was the play of the game. We just ate up the whole third qtr and left Tom Brady on the sidelines. That was the game.
A
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
So you would have called a hand-off to Jackson for the "play of the game"?
Right, gotcha. See my second post in this thread.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
A TD would have been the play of the game
And Bjax with the way he was running last night gave us the best chance.
Doubt you get that.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
This whole line of argument is ridiculous
Look, I am very concerned about how much we lose close games. But, this particular game is one that absolutely no one thought the Packers could even compete in. This is one of those games that you do not need to win in order to get positive benefits from it. I’m not happy with every single play that the Packers ran, but overall this was a great job of coaching. Sure, McCarthy is partly to blame for the loss, but without a great job by the coaching staff (except Slocum of course) we would not have even been in a position to win.
On a side note, I really wanted an interception last night — we had too many opportunities to come away with no interceptions.
For Rodgers_for_MVP
McCarthy has to call a perfect game. If he calls the wrong play even once, he is an awful coach and needs to be fired immediately.
I said it earlier – we need an “anti-Rec” button to make idiotic comments like this disappear.
by Packers3485 on Dec 20, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Rationality runs rampant here
Give this guy an anti-rec. He’s dying for it.
Apparently it’s easier for you to push a button than to counter a point.
It’s a forum dude, if you don’t like what you hear just look away.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Rationality runs rampant here
Give this guy an anti-rec. He’s dying for it.
Apparently it’s easier for you to push a button than to counter a point. It’s a forum dude, if you don’t like what you read just look away.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
We have been countering your points, such as....
Your point – “Oh my god!!!! Why didn’t McCarthy give it to Brandon Jackson on the goalline?!?!?!?!? What a horrible playcall by McCarthy!!!”
Our counter – “Giving the ball to your powerback who is on a roll, instead of your RB who typically goes down at first contact, is the best playcall. The fact that it didn’t work out doesn’t mean McCarthy made a stupid choice.”
The fact that you don’t listen to rational arguments doesn’t mean we aren’t countering your points. If he had given it to Brandon Jackson on those plays, and he got stuffed (like he does 95% of the time in short yardage situations) you would be on here saying the exact same thing you are now, except you’d be saying “Oh my god!!!! Why didn’t he give the ball to Kuhn???? What a horrible playcall!!!”
by Packers3485 on Dec 20, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
5-16 record in close games
How do you explain it? Don’t give me “the players have to deliver” thing. You have to put the players in position to deliver.
The truth is that the coaching staff is not good. This team has an explosive offense, the number one defense, and again is struggling to make the playoffs. Injuries are not excuses, every team in NFL is injured, and the replacement players have stepped up big.
Unfortunately, our HC doesn’t know how to step up big.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
“You have to put the players in position to deliver.”
And they were in that position, on the very plays you are pointing to as the example of why McCarthy is so awful.
They were down at the one yard line. They had a playcall to give it to the powerback (the correct playcall). That is the very definition of a “position to deliver.” They didn’t deliver.
“Injuries are not excuses, every team in NFL is injured, and the replacement players have stepped up big.”
Yeah, not like McCarthy is responsible in any way for how our replacements have stepped up big. Not like he had anything to do with the fact that we were in the position to beat the best team, with our backup QB, if only our line could block for a 1 yard run.
Nope. Blame McCarthy for any negative things (real or imagined) and give all the credit to other people for all the positives. Gotcha.
by Packers3485 on Dec 20, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
You put the players in the position to deliver
by calling the plays. The correct play would have been to give it to the hottest RB, and that was not done.
I blame MM for not knowing how to win games.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
The correct play would have been to give it to the hottest RB
No, the correct play would have been to give it to the guy that has shown he’s capable of converting short yardage this year.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Look man
I stand by the opinion that if this team is to win anything, it will do it despite the HC, not because of the HC. Unfortunately, the hurdle to achieve that is getting bigger and bigger every week.
You and me will root for a Packer SB will all our hearts. This generation of players that we got now, one of the best offenses and defenses in NFL, it’s a shame not to win at least one trophy with them.
I hope they can overcome their coaching staff’s shortcomings. I am not rooting for MM to go, I am rooting for GB to win. I’m just left heartbroken week after week. This team is too good to come up short.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
"This team is too good to come up short"
And why is this team good? Because McCarthy has a team of backups playing very good football.
In this game we had:
1 of our 4 original starters at LB.
1 of our 3 original starters on the D-Line.
2 of our 4 original starters in the secondary (since Collins was out for over half the game)
Our backup QB
Our backup RBs
Our 3rd string TE
But nope, they must be winning “despite” McCarthy.
I’ll say it again…… Good God.
by Packers3485 on Dec 20, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m counting Jolly in the d-line, since he would have been a starter if not for the suspension, but I’ll grant that might be a cheap one. So we can say 2 of our 3 original starters on the d-line.
That makes 5 of our 11 original starters on defense, and by my count, 7 of our original starters on offense (without 3 of our 4 most important offensive players – Rodgers, Finley, Grant).
So, we have 12 of our 22 original starters in that game, missing 3 of our 4 major weapons on offense, and we nearly beat the best team in the NFL.
But according to Rodgers_for_MVP, any positive things are happening “despite McCarthy”
Once again, Good God.
by Packers3485 on Dec 20, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
it will do it despite the HC, not because of the HC. Unfortunately, the hurdle to achieve that is getting bigger and bigger every week.
It’s getting bigger why? Because you say it is? Are you of the opinion that MM is regressing as a coach?
Fine, you think that MM is not a good coach, that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. But I do not agree with your logic whatsoever.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
You don't think it's getting bigger?
We face 2 playoff games to get to the playoffs. MM is not regressing as a coach, he’s just at a level he can’t get any better.
I am not looking for my point on the HC to get validated, I want the Packers to win. Unfortunately, there’s a track record over the years that shows that my point is not mute.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
Let me expand my quote of you
if this team is to win anything, it will do it despite the HC, not because of the HC. Unfortunately, the hurdle to achieve that is getting bigger and bigger every week.
This quote led me to believe you weren’t just talking about this year. Is it going to be a cake walk to win the SB this year? Obviously not. But your quote leads me to believe that you think going into next year it’s going to even tougher to overcome MM than it was this year.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
By this logic
Matt Flynn is now our starting QB because he’s the hottest of our QBs right now… he put up more points then Aaron in Detroit… and he moved the ball pretty well against NE
Nevermind that Aaron has a proven track record in multiple instances, right now Matt Flynn is the hotter of our QBs so lets start him
Fire Slocum
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 20, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
cmon man
I enjoy the debate when everyone makes a point. I know you can do better than that, cause I usually read your posts.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks
I really do appreicate that.
As for an actual point and not some arbitrary crappy analogy… It’s tough to say what the best idea in that situation… there’s a case for both sides… BJack was playing his best ball of the year so go w/ the hot hand… there’s also the track record of him consistently getting hit in the backfield and going down for a 2-3 yard loss
IMO the right call would have been a play-action fade or some type of quick slant/out route since we’ve struggled with goal-line running all year
Unfortunately, the only way we can truly avoid this argument is if whatever play is called works… since it didn’t… we’re kinda effed as fans at that point
Fire Slocum
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 21, 2010 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
I wanted a pass too
I was surprised that they ran on first and second down in that situation. I would much rather have seen a run on first down and then two passes. I wondered at the time if McCarthy’s play calling was influenced by the interception in the end zone that Flynn threw the week before.
Packers "Special" Teams -- you know, like Special Olympics
I think this is a very interesting suggestion
I wondered at the time if McCarthy’s play calling was influenced by the interception in the end zone that Flynn threw the week before.
My initial thought is that it did not influence MM’s decision. Keep in mind he let Flynn fire away earlier in the game near the goal line and got a TD pass to Jennings. But I’m starting to wonder about that now.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
These situations at the one yd line are just furious and unacceptable
It’s happened in ATL, and here.
we will never know, but something is wrong here. It’s not that they had one 4th down try at the one yd line….they had multiple chances.
A well coached team just doesn’t waste chances like these. I’m leaving it at that
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 21, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
I would agree with that
our Goal-line play (heck I redzone as a whole) has been very very bad this year… and failure to convert in the redzone has cost us AT LEAST 2 games (NE and Atlanta) and possibly more (I’m not in the mood to really look it up right now)
I’d almost be happier if we starting taking 5 yd delay of game penalties inside the 5 yard line to increase our touchdown chances
Fire Slocum
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 21, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
You can add the Washington game to that list
Missed on the 4th and 1 in the first half.
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he called a great game (playcalling-wise). I am a BIG MM hater, but I loved the gameplan and i hope he sees the success and keeps it up. The final minute was a complete disaster and he gets a share of that blame but other than that, he had a great game as a coach.
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I agree completely
this was a nearly masterful coaching job by McCarthy. I know it is frustrating to come this close to beating a great team on the road, but you don’t come that close without some seriously good coaching and play calling.
No doubt, and I feel the same way but at what point is that not good enough? He’s 5-16 in close games right now, and that has to be a concern. Even for those who appear to defend anything and everything McCarthy ever does.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
I am very concerned
about the Packers record in close games. I really think the answer is for McCarthy to give up play calling and focus his efforts on the little things that win close games. Unfortunately, losing close games is beginning to become a cultural norm with this organization. I wonder if it will make it that much more difficult to turn it around.
It's hard to vote
for POG when there were so many stupid mistakes that cost yet another game. I know some of you don’t like to hear it, but this team is looking an awful lot like the Lions teams I watched for 20+ yrs. We just play good enough to lose. Every Monday, I would read in the Detriot papers…….“We SHOULDA won this game. And, we COULDA won this game. And, we WOULDA won this game…………IF ONLY………….”you fill in the blank.
I don’t like the “I’m not voting for anyone cause we lost”. I see this EVERY game we lose. We are going to lose and we are going to have ugly plays but ultimately there were some GREAT players in that game that deserve recognition.
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Gotta go with Flynn...
Although his inexperience helped lose the game, he played a hell of a game, and it wasn’t completely his fault. Of course the infamous KR and hate to say it cuz he’s one of my favorite players but Woodson gave up 2 big plays: the missed interception that was right in his hands in the 1st quarter, and he got burned in the endzone on one of the pats TDs. but back to Flynn, this game gave me a lot of confidence that he can do a good job covering for Rodgers short term if he needs to. I just hope Rodgers won’t ever have to go out multiple weeks, because I don’t think he’s ready for something like that yet. Oa side note, maybe Jackson should’ve also been nominated. I don’t think that if he had the game he
had, Flynn wouldn’t have been as successful as he was.
by RaY210 on Dec 20, 2010 12:31 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Woodson's TD was due to no pass rush and no help
With that much time to throw, one of Brady’s targets was gonna eventually get open. If it had happened to Shields (again), you wouldn’t have batted an eyelash.
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yeah, and that was a 4 man pass rush! That’s just embarrassing. Brady had all day in the pocket.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
+1
but back to Flynn, this game gave me a lot of confidence that he can do a good job covering for Rodgers short term if he needs to.
TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is still more than half-full!
To borrow a page from BlackShoeDiaries...
I would vote for Flynn, because that crazy bastard gave the Packers hope for an entire game.
Did you expect the Packers to once again come within a single possession of a 12-2 team on the road? No. That’s where they theoretically should be blown out. But the team is talented despite all the injuries that they CAN hold their own against the best teams in the NFL, week-in, and week-out.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 20, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
we were underestimated
NE took us lightly. When they realized that we got our own Matt Cassel too, they turned it on and put this one away.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 20, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
I don't believe this
The New England Patriots under the Zen Hoodie do not take any team lightly. And, what are you talking about put this one away? They barely won the game. If they are so much better than the Packers they would have come out in the second half and run away with it. Didn’t happen.
NE probably was less-prepared for Flynn
I think had Rodgers started the Packers might have lost by 10 points. But not much worse than that.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 20, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
I might be jumping to conclusions from one game,
but it seems to me that New England’s defense may not be good enough to win a Super Bowl this year.
Packers "Special" Teams -- you know, like Special Olympics
statistically, that defense is misleading.
It doesn’t quite meet “bend but don’t break”. It’s far more like, “Hold the 14+ point lead the offense got you whatever it takes”.
Some part of me wants to say they’re average, but an average defense just doesn’t quite fit giving up 27 points at home to a 2nd string QB. I think they’re young, and building. And in a couple years, they might just be the blend of top 5 offense and top 10 defense that gets them 6-0 in the AFC East for some years in a row, and maybe even a Super Bowl or two.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 20, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t think so. They can be run on, which makes things hard on those young CB’s they have. Though, they did have DL out, which will probably help their run defense in their return.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, another game that you can point to Shawn Slocum as a major reason for the loss
what more could it possibly take for him to get fired???
Not only is it inexcusable to let a 313 lb offensive lineman return a kick more than 70 yards, but that was a major momentum shift in the game. Packers were up 17-7, and were looking great headed into the half. Pats scored next two touchdowns and went up 21-17.
And I don’t want to hear about how the onsides kick balanced that out. The Pats were completely caught off guard and we got a really lucky bounce. The Packers need to be prepared to tackle on kick coverage. Even if it’s the players’ fault, at some point you need to start holding the head honcho responsible.
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by dishingoutdimes on Dec 20, 2010 1:06 AM CST reply actions
The Bears game in Chicago was bad too
I know you could point to James Jones as a goat in that game too, but Hester took one to the house there too. The Atlanta game, they managed a big kick return that set them up for the winning FG.
On and on and on we go…
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by dishingoutdimes on Dec 20, 2010 1:07 AM CST up reply actions
Yep, special teams continues to be our achilles heel, and has been for years now. When do we finally do something to fix that?
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
David Gilreath
Whoops!
Patrick Peterson! I meant Patrick Peterson!
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 20, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
A returner is the least of our problems. The fact that we can’t even run down our lanes is what troubles me.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
How about some props for a good bounce-back game for the o-line?
I know that the Pat’s defensive line is depleted, but the o-line’s play was miles ahead of what we saw against Detroit.
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Good game, guys.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 20, 2010 7:58 AM CST reply actions
Flynn..
What a relief to see the kid didn’t piss down his leg. He’s actually a competent backup..maybe the brass knows what their doing?
Re: injuries..
I don’t think you can use 1 or 2 as an excuse..at some point (and I think the Pack has reached that point) it becomes a legit reason. Heck, they’ve got the backups backups in there starting..
Sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.
BTW
Our offensive players need to run through some tackling drills…
don't forget to brush your teeth.
by Drew C on Dec 20, 2010 8:38 AM CST via mobile reply actions
So does our ST and some of our defenders
last night was not a good night for tackling for us in any aspect of the game
Fire Slocum
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 20, 2010 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
I said it during the game...
Raji had the game of his career…he’s getting it. He gave Brady fits all game. I don’t know what his statline was but watching the game, he was making plays all over the place. Flynn was impressive and if he won the game for it, he got my vote but Raji controlled the line and dominated that game.
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FIRE McCARTHY!!!!!!!!
Just kidding. :-D
Excellent gameplan this week, in general playcalling was good. Agree with Rodgers_for_MVP that running the same quick handoff to Kuhn at the goal line was a poor decision given how the Pat’s D was lined up, but it certainly wasn’t a game changer. I did think (rather loudly at the time) that MM should have called a timeout during Brady’s hurry-up TD drive so we could get a better defensive grouping on the field, but given how the timeout situation fizzled at the end of the game that probably was a wash.
The game changer was the absolutely absurd kickoff return, no question. Without that easy TD, it’s a whole different ballgame.
Speaking of kickoffs – anyone else think it’s ridiculous how much we keep doing those ineffective squib kicks, popup kicks to the 30 yard line? I think the Packers have 4 more wins if they had a kickoff specialist who consistently kicked touchbacks like Cundiff has been doing for the Ravens. Would love it if TT considered going that route next year instead of keeping 8 TEs and 6 FBs, lol.
My problem with your last point
is that then the Packers are taking up 4 roster spots on specialists: K, P, LS, and a kick-off specialist. That’s a lot, not to mention you need all of them on the 45-man active roster for game day. I’d rather get a raw guy in the draft that we can stash on the 53-man and develop than getting a specialist.
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Speaking of kickoffs – anyone else think it’s ridiculous how much we keep doing those ineffective squib kicks, popup kicks to the 30 yard line? I think the Packers have 4 more wins if they had a kickoff specialist who consistently kicked touchbacks like Cundiff has been doing for the Ravens. Would love it if TT considered going that route next year instead of keeping 8 TEs and 6 FBs, lol.
People keep saying this but Crosby is perfectly capable of booming a kick into the end zone. The problem is he can’t consistently do it every time. The danger in having him kick off deep everytime is when one isn’t downed for a touchback. Our kickoff coverage is absolutely abysmal, which is why we always have him pooch it into a corner or squib one. It’s quite embarrassing actually.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Good Performance
including standout, jaw dropping plays from Raji and Kuhn. Way to go Flynn. He made the most of an opportunity to make a name for himself in the NFL. Too bad he couldn’t hang a w on the scoreboard. I voted Raji for game ball, but they were all great. Tough season, but hopefully it chips the shoulder next year. If Tramon Williams doesn’t earn mention for a pro bowl berth I’ll be pissed. Raji seems to be a true gamer. the D showed up for most of the game, but AJ Hawk fails to make any true plays except for the batted pass near the end. Hopefully Collins is OK, if he broke ribs maybe shut him down for the season, as the playoff hopes are on life support. Maybe shut down Woodson too? He’s great but he’s on the back nine of his career, probably the home stretch.
Brandon Jackson looked really quick and hit the hole with authority. I was glad to see that. The Pack shot themselves in the foot with some drops and one of the games all time plays with Dan Connolly.
This was like an M. Night Shyamalan movie
Started out slowly, then got better very soon, the ending had a lot of potential but was badly executed.
by schraderfan on Dec 20, 2010 10:32 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
But rec'd for complete accuracy
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by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 20, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
lol
"Vince Wilfork's blood type is penne arrabiata"
by Shamalamadingdong on Dec 20, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Why all the negativity?
It wasn’t a game we were supposed to win, to begin with! If anything, it showed the Packers can hang with the top teams despite the barrage of injuries and an inconsistent running game (the Falcons game is another good example). The Packers just need to keep taking care of business at home, where they’re 5-1, and they’re in the playoffs.
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There are so many positives to take from this game. I even think it will be the last straw that will get Slocum fired! I see a team that is ready to finish out the season strong and make some waves in the playoffs.
Flynn was outstanding, it was great how he went out there and got after it.
It is nice to know GB has a competent back up QB. It was cool of Rodgers to be out there on the sidelines enthusiastically rooting Flynn on. Flynn might be a top of the line NFL quarterback given regular playing time. It would be interesting to see what he could do given a whole season of starts on some team. I’m glad he is a Packer.
Peter Bourjos is faster than anyone on your team.
I have a feeling he will start this week too.
Given our situation I want Rodgers to come back but I also can’t wait to see Flynn play again…
"Vince Wilfork's blood type is penne arrabiata"
by Shamalamadingdong on Dec 20, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
You can't wait to see Flynn play?
I hope you have to go watch practice to get your wish. Nothing negative on Flynn — he had a great game. But he was not calm when he was pressured, got confused and had to take otherwise unnecessary timeouts, and was certainly part of the problem on the last drive. With more practice and playing, those things could be fixed, but he has not had enough of either to put the remaining important games in his hands. On the other hand, he is better than I could have hoped for to serve as a back up for Rodgers.
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Just sayin
If Flynn has to take the field again I would love to see what he can do.
I’m just worried about Aaron Rodgers. I don’t want them to take any chances with him. If he is not 100% ready they shouldn’t let him play. This is not a calf injury, it’s his BRAIN.
Sorry, I just remember seeing his head ricochet off the turf in Detroit and it still makes me cringe. I will likely never forget it.
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by Shamalamadingdong on Dec 20, 2010 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
If Flynn has to take the field again I would love to see what he can do.
Honestly, I’d prefer he didn’t play against the Giants or Bears to preserve some trade value. Both of those teams have the ability to get pressure on the QB while rushing only 4. And if there’s on thing we learned last night, it was that Flynn doesn’t look very comfortable when the offensive line doesn’t give him time. Compound that with 7 guys in coverage, and I’d be very worried about how Flynn would fair.
Don’t get me wrong, I was very happy with what Flynn showed on Sunday, but to expect something like that again against the Giants or Bears is a little too optimistic for me.
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I think my views on next weeks game are
I’d rather see Aaron out there since I think he gives the best chance to win… however i he CANT go, I feel much more comfortable w/ Flynn back there then I would have 2 or 3 weeks ago
Fire Slocum
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Dec 21, 2010 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
My thought on Flynn after the game
was that he significantly increased his trade value.
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