Season Reviews: A.J. Hawk
While our 2009 wasn't as successful as it was for other teams, we saw enough to expect more success in 2010 and beyond. There's a lot to like about the Green Bay Packers going forward, unless of course you're cheering for the other team. But which players fit in the best? Which don't? Which ones are keepers, and which ones need to be driven out of town? It's time to look at who did well (and who didn't), and ultimately what their role will be going forward.
Let me tell you a story.
A college linebacker dominates opposing offenses throughout his career. His success propels him to the top of the draft charts, and he's selected in the top five. He's widely praised as the "safest pick in the draft" and the only "can't-miss player". He's consistent, with solid fundamentals, takes good angles, rarely makes mistakes, uses proper leverage, and actually wraps up when he tackles. All in all, he's a quietly effective player.
A few years go by, and the linebacker does exactly what he was advertised to do. He doesn't have great sack totals, because he's not a pass rusher. He's not a shutdown cover man, because that's not who he is. He doesn't lay other players out with big-time hits, because that's not his style. You occasionally heard his name while making a tackle in conjunction with a teammate. Other than that, it's nothing but gray.
This can't be right, can it? A top-5 pick in the draft can't just be a boring linebacker who limits mistakes, can it? We need sacks, we need picks, we need highlight-reel knockout hits! I'm bored watching this guy play! Why can't we get that other guy that shows up on SportsCenter? Sure, he might lose outside containment once in a while, or screw up a coverage scheme, but look at those hits! He's a beast! We should've gotten him!
Sound familiar? This is the story of A.J. Hawk over his short career, and he's at risk of being one of the most misunderstood players in franchise history.
A.J. Hawk's style is boring. He doesn't take stupid risks or allow himself to make dumb mistakes. He goes out there, executes his assignment, and returns to the huddle for the next one. It's so nondescript, YouTube doesn't even have any sort of non-college highlight reel for him.
Strange to think, though, that the second-leading tackler for one of the league's best defenses can be described as non-descript. Nick Barnett may be one of the emotional leaders, and Charles Woodson and Nick Collins certainly make more than their share of big plays, and Clay Matthews was one of this season's biggest surprises, but should we overlook a player who averages 100 tackles a season?
Moving from 4-3 OLB to 3-4 ILB was unquestionably one of the biggest question marks going into the season. Hawk had performed relatively well in Nick Barnett's absence last season, but taking an interior lineman out of the equation would expose Hawk to tough, quick offensive guards that would engage him over the line of scrimmage and drive him off the ball. In 2009, Hawk went through spells of playing fewer snaps than other linebackers, including coverage specialist Brandon Chillar and "pass rusher" Brady Poppinga. However, whenever he was in the game, he performed to the best of his abilities, which really is all you can ask of him.
Don't get me wrong, there's no question that Hawk has improvements to make. He's still not good enough in pass coverage to merit staying on the field in nickel and dime packages. He has trouble disengaging from blocks because his arms are just a tad short. He's had trouble with nagging injuries that partly robbed him of his sideline-to-sideline range, some of which can likely be prevented through better stretching and conditioning.
But this is the story of A.J. Hawk over his short career. The 26 year old Buckeye has been solid-but-unspectacular for four years now, and some of us (myself included) took exception to that. But we're forgetting exactly what football is about and what kind of players you need to make it work. Sure, you need a ball hawk, and a sack artist, and an enforcer. But you need setup men. You need guys to do all the little things that put the other players in position to make the sack, force the turnover, and get the big tackle. You need someone to occupy the pulling guard, or to cover the checkdown option, or to chuck the tight end as he releases, or force the runner back inside. You need someone to do all this dirty work. And few NFL players do the dirty work better than A.J. Hawk.
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GREAT post about Hawk
I’ve felt like he’s misunderstood for a while but I couldn’t put my finger on exactly why. That said, he makes good plays, he’s just not a game changer. He’s solid and fairly consistent. Everyone has their role…his isn’t exciting but he does what’s asked of him from what I can see. Could we do better? Maybe…but we could do a LOT worse.
Top 5 Pick Ought to BE MORE OF A GAME CHANGER!!!!
Hawk’s TRADE VALUE/worth will never be higher than it is right now… You made some valid points Mitch but, I still think we’d be better off if we traded for draft picks… Just my opinion… Take it for what it’s worth… Go Pack!!!!!!
Trade value
He has NO trade value… He is set to make 4.1 M this year, which is above his production. So from that perspective it doesn’t make alot of sense for teams to trade for him! Also, he has a 10M salary for the ’11 season. No team is going to want that, unless they can renegotiate before the trade.
I have no problem w/ Hawk. He is who he is.. And what most thought him to be! The problem isn’t who he is, but what YOU think he should be…
That entire ‘06 draft has busts littered all throughout the 1st rd. I don’t think he is a Bust, but he isn’t a playmaker either!
by Strohman on Feb 1, 2010 1:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I couldn’t agree with you more Strohman!
That was a notoriously poor draft…littered with poor picks. Hawk was the right pick, but he’s been just a good LB. Not great. Not poor. Just good. I am okay with him, if we got someone to give us something we need for him, I wouldn’t cry if he left, but I don’t mind him on our roster. He fills a role and does it to average standards.
It's kind of funny
Because I remember that draft being one of the more hyped ones (Probably due to the big Rose Bowl game) but everyone seemed to think Leinart and Young were guaranteed stars, that Reggie Bush would be the next Gale Sayers. If not for this year, you could probably also add Vernon Davis and Ferguson to the list. Personally, I still wish we had gotten Mario Williams as Kampman and him would’ve made a pretty formidable pass rushing duo.
by Charlie Kelly on Feb 1, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
I still think he is disappointing
I don’t care about sack totals or interceptions, but I’d like to see a top 5 pick make plays. More than that, I’d like to see a middle linebacker make plays. Occasionally get into the backfield for a Tackle for Loss. Pursue a running back sideline to sideline to make a play.
My biggest issue with Hawk is he lacks that killer instinct that your middle linebacker needs to have.
Don't we see those big plays with Nick Barnett
Could be that AJ is the steadying influence that allows Nick to do what he does.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
Could be I guess, but we didn’t really see those types of plays from Barnett this year either. Hawk actually did come up and make a few good plays at, or behind the line of scrimmage. The problem with him is he seems to have that killer instinct like every 4 four games. At times he looks brilliant and at times he just looks like a solid player.
by packallday555 on Feb 1, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
I remember Nick having about one or two big tfl’s a game.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
Just to clarify do you mean “a game” as in he made 1-2 big plays per game or he made 1-2 big plays one game?
by packallday555 on Feb 1, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
4 - 3 Teams might want him...
I don’t how his contract is structured… I do know there are a lot of terrible teams out there in the 4 -3 defense that just might want him… I know I certainly wouldn’t mind him on the roster this year for 4.1 M… I also know I don’t want him next year for 10 M… I guess that’s why TT gets paid the big bucks… It’s his job to find a way to move him for value… Not mine… I’m sure if they can, the Packers will either Coach him up in the 3 – 4… Trade him if possible… Keep him this year for depth if he doesn’t start… They can always cut him next year or renegotiate… Let’s change the subject to the DRAFT!!!!!! :) Can’t wait for the COMBINE!!
GO PACK!!!!!!!!!
trade
The one trade that I have heard in regards to Hawk is to SD. Hawk and a 2nd for Antonio Cromartie and a mid rd pick. I would be more than Happy w/ that trade. Cromartie would be a starting CB, if not this year, very soon. He would certainly be able to learn from Wood. Apparently, Cromartie has issues w/ SD… Not sure why, at one point he was the best draft pick from the ’06 draft.
CB is a need, thou not a glaring one. And we might easily be drafting a CB in the 2nd or 3rd anyway.
I would love that trade. We’d be set in our secondary for years too come.
by packallday555 on Feb 1, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Of course you should take it
But San Diego would never make that trade.
What about Joey Porter?
maybe we can swap A.J. for Porter or just trade a pick for him. He wants out of Miami, thats for sure.
They want power. We want respect...
That would be great too! Another thing that would improve our pass defense very much.
by packallday555 on Feb 1, 2010 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
Wow.
So these are the choices? A safe player who minimizes mistakes or the guy who takes chances, blows up plays occasionally and gives up big plays on others? Is that what Barnett is? Or Matthews? Because from my perspective, both of those guys (particularly Matthews, considering he’s a rookie) do a decent job of minimizing their mistakes and still make plays downfield.
Hawk isn’t much of a pass rusher, but in the 3-4, you need both of your ILBs to be able to rush the passer effectively if you really hope to keep the opposing QB guessing at where the pressure is coming from. And when they blitz, they need to get home if they want to keep the moniker of a guy who “minimizes mistakes” and big plays. He’s not a “shut down cover” guy? No, he’s not. In fact, with the exception of a handful of plays late in the year this season, he’s garbage in coverage. That would have been fine if he’d been drafted as an MLB in a 4-3 in the 1970’s, but in the 00’s and the 10’s, it makes him a liability who limits the rush and coverage flexibility in the 3-4.
Sure, he makes a lot of tackles, and as you point out, he’s usually in a crowd of defenders when he does so. If he blew tackles regularly, he probably would be out of the league by now since he does nothing special.
An ordinary, mistake minimizing CB is an OK thing, because limiting the damage is all most DB’s can hope for given the rules of today’s NFL. But ILBs in the 3-4 have to be ordinary at everything (tackling, pursuit down the line, penetration on rush plays, coverage, rushing the passer), OR extraordinary at SOMETHING to stay on the field. Hawk can’t cover, struggles rushing the passer, too slow to cut of the corners against most RBs and not physical or fast enough to avoid getting caught up in the wash when in pursuit. Thus he’s not ordinary at everything he’s asked to do, and he doesn’t do anything in an extraordinary fashion. Sure, he regularly tops 100 tackles, but given the fact that the NFL credits tackles to guys who are “in the pile” and not just the guy who makes the first hit, AND given the fact that Hawk has played his entire career in defenses that are designed to funnel plays in his direction. the tackle totals we’re talking about aren’t, by themselves, all that impressive.
In short, if Hawk hadn’t been the 5th overall pick he probably wouldn’t be a starter anymore in GB. Even with things as they are, his role began to shrink in the middle of the year last year. I was pleasantly surprised by some of the plays he turned in late in the year (one interception, in fact, was easily the best play he’s made as a pro), so it’s still possible, though probably unlikely, that he’ll blossom in his second year in this system. But I don’t think he’s thought of poorly because he’s the 5th overall pick. I think he’s getting a longer leash because he’s the 5th overall pick.
And I bet Desmond Bishop agrees with me deep in that place in his gut he never talks about out loud…
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 1, 2010 7:49 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Great Post
I’d like to see Bishop ON THE FIELD for more than special teams
That interception he made (was it vs. Dallas?) was unexpected and quite surprising. That was a great play.
He should be out there more but I think it’ll be Chillar starting this upcoming season. Bishop always has played well in his time out there with us though. It seems like MM raves about him every offseason, only it never seems to translate to anything come regular season time.
by packallday555 on Feb 2, 2010 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
Ya'know it is allowed....
for a team to have multiple guys who make plays. The Bears have more than one great linebacker. Same with the Ravens. And the Steelers.
Don’t let fandom to try and put lipstick on the pig. Hawk is just a guy. It happens.
With Hawk, it's complicated. Here's my thought.
Hawk was good when Barnett was around in 08, but take Barnett OUT of the equation, and BAM we’ve just been given a screwball grenade, AND Barnett’s on the IR.
Packers eventually decided to blow it in style. Tank the whole season. ALL OF IT!
Now, when Hawk has someone to help him out (Matthews and Barnett) he’s solid. Put him, or any linebacker out there, with the drivel we had at linebacker (don’t include Hawk there) and D-line down the stretch in 08, and it is somewhat amazing that he DIDN’T need major therapy at the end of the year…
The bottom line is that some Packer fans expected WAY too much out of Hawk in 2008 and he couldn’t deliver. I’ll admit I was one of those fans. But once he had some help from everyone else, he was once again doing his duty with a sense of purpose and style.
Hawk is great when he’s in tandem with other good LBs. He isn’t when he’s completely isolated.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 4, 2010 11:09 PM CST reply actions

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