Would you trade Grant to shore up our CB position for 10 years?
by TrevorR on Feb 17, 2010 9:00 AM CST
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PrintAccording to ESPN, the Chargers are looking to get a RB in a trade for their 25 year old Pro Bowl CB, Antonio Cromartie. We all are eyeing up the future at this position with both Al Harris and Charles Woodson getting up there in age. Acquiring Cromartie would give us the option of moving Woodson to Safety which would allow us to not resign Bigby and honestly would dramatically improve that position and probably extend Woodson's great career. It opens up a position at RB which could be an issue but with a number of good athletic backs in the draft, I think it could easily be addressed. Its a risk, but if the Chargers would be interested, this might be a good fit for both teams. Earlier we also had a discussion about a pleathora of backs that should hit the FA market as well.
Anyone willing to give up Ryan Grant to secure a young Pro Bowl caliber CB?
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In. A. Heartbeat.
Grant isn’t really a first round talent. We don’t run that much anyway. So really you could use a second or even a third round pick on a guy and have him split time with Jackson. You would barely notice a drop off in rushing yards. We are a pass 1st team, so giving up Grant for a potential 10 year CB would be a great move. But we know that Thompson would never make the offer.
So really you could use a second or even a third round pick on a guy and have him split time with Jackson. You would barely notice a drop off in rushing yards.
Exactly, I don’t know if there would be any drop off.
by packallday555 on Feb 17, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
This would be exactly like Woodson except Cromartie has less wear on him so especially with Woodson as a similar player I don’t see why he couldn’t work for the packers.
I’m sure he would work out. Between him, Woodson, Williams, and Blackmon, Lee, or Underwood (depending on who would be the nickel back) we’d have a really, really athletic/explosive secondary.
by packallday555 on Feb 17, 2010 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Ditto
Hey hey I got an idea. Lets play "I Never." You got to drink if you did the thing that the person says they never did...
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why would the chargers give up “a 25 year old perenial pro bowler”
red flag just went up. guys that are that young and talented, allegedly, just don’t come along that often. i remember he had one good year, but last year cromartie was getting burned early and often. OVER-RATED……..imo….
grant is a good fit for this offense. don’t have to fix something that isn’t broke.
Well yeah…anyone that is being traded or even FAs have red flags. They want too much money, they don’t fit the system, they don’t like their attitude, etc. This is ALWAYS the case. Look at Jared Allen a few years ago, he and the Chiefs couldn’t make it work…he left there having “attitude problems” and being a “headache for managment” yet he’s been a happy little camper in MN.
I think he’s an upgrade over what we have now…and I think he can get even better. We’ve seen what he’s capable of, I think he can get there again. You are right though, the last two years pale in comparison to his first season as a starter.
Interesting Trade...
I agree that Cromartie had one great year and is somewhat overrated (red flag noted)…BUT…so did/has Ryan Grant…that’s what really makes this an interesting trade. Grant’s production is likely replaceable and Cromartie wouldn’t be the number one corner here either, just another piece…Hurry Ted…make the deal before A.J. Smith hangs up…
young cb
i thought we had young cb’s on this team to step up this year….i.e. williams, lee, underwood…
Sure we do but how reliable can some of them be? Lee has been injured a lot. I think Williams will be a solid #2 for us, and while Underwood actually did look ok last year he will be nothing more then a dime back. If we could get Cromartie for Grant and a pick I think it’s an offer just too good to pass up on. Grant is solid but it wouldn’t be that hard to replace him. Plus, we’ll still have Mike “I love to pass” McCarthy as our o-coordinator next year.
by packallday555 on Feb 17, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
You really think Jarrett Bush, Brandon Underwood and Will Blackmon will turn into starters? Tramon WIlliams will, but you need two CBs, three to be great. We have 3 great CBs right now. But Harris and Woodson only have about 2-3 years left. I don’t see Bush, Underwood or Blackmon becoming great in 2-3 years. Cromartie should have his 67 children all sorted out and be able to concentrate on being a NFL player. This trade won’t happen. But it would be nice to see something similar to this.
2-3 years for Harris?
I sometimes wonder if he even has 1-2 at this point. This injury could be VERY serious for him at his age. His play was already starting to decline somewhat. Personally, I think now is the time to replace him…maybe he’ll prove me wrong but he might be better in the nickle from here out…
Is Harris even capable of playing 1 full season anymore???
Even when he’s in, he still got lit up or cause penalties.
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Yeah, exactly. I mean Williams should be good enough to be our starter for the future but I don’t think Bush or Blackmon will ever be starters. Underwood has some potential but I doubt he’ll become a starter. It wouldn’t hurt us all that much too give up Grant. On the other hand it would help us a great deal to get Cromartie.
by packallday555 on Feb 17, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
Williams will turn out to be a decent CB, but that’s it. He will never be a lock down CB. That’s a good thing though, because he takes one of the CB position needs out of the equation.
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I'd make the trade
but Woodson would and should certainly not play safety. You don’t remember how poorly that went in 2008?
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by Michael M on Feb 17, 2010 10:46 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think part of that is that Woodson was forced into that role mid-season with no training or experience. He filled a need at the time and I think he could excel in that role with time to adjust…that is if he is willing to do it. I wouldn’t want to force him out there.
Actually in the short term I could also see him and Cromartie out there as CBs with Harris the odd man out or even going into the nickle for a season. Then Tramon gets prepared to take Woodson’s place. I think that owuld be a pretty amazing group back there.
I dunno
I think that it’s better to draft a cornerback who can contribute and possibly be better than Cromartie in a few years than to trade a workhouse back for a corner whose interceptions are nice but gets burned pretty often. I don’t think that Grant is irreplacable by any means but Cromartie would give us four starting cornerbacks which is just overkill. I suppose that it would spell the end for Harris and I for one am not interested at all in that.
RBs are a dime a dozen in this league. If we could get a solid proven CB for a RB, I don’t see how you couldn’t take that. Grant is no Peterson or LT or other top notch back that could demand a ransom. He’s a good back who has some limitations (pass catching, speed to get to the outside)…I just think he could be replaced more easily than a CB. Look at our success (or lack thereof) in drafting corners this decade…especially in the past 5-6 years. Its easy to think we are going to find one out there but we haven’t really done it yet (Tramon might be one success but the others are far from starter material so far).
By the way…Harris might be done whether we want him to or not…an ACL tear at his age with already declining skills might be about the end of him. We need to fill that spot asap in my book.
trade?
it’s nice to speculate, but the chargers would want more for cromartie than just grant. the packers would have to give up a pick as well. besides you can have all the good corners in the league, but if you don’t get a pass rush you’re done anyway. cb’s and safeties can’t cover guys for 4 to 5 seconds. last season should be an example of that.
All very true…I never said it would be straight up. That said…Cromartie hasn’t been as good as his first season the last two. They might think the sky is the limit as far as value, but obviously he’s not worth a top tier RB…Grant might fit into that next tier. You could argue that Grant is among the top 10 or so backs in production in the league. He might not be a “pro bowler” but he’s consistent and he’s the kind of back they probably need out there…plus he’s not too expensive really.
Wow...
Would the Chargers be retarded enough to make that deal? Look at the two teams who made the superbowl last year…. above average running backs at best. This is a passing league, so we could use another CB to go up against Brees and Favre and Romo etc.
Do it.
Cromartie struggled last season
Just keep that in mind. If it was a trade such as AJ Hawk for Cromartie and a draft pick, I’d be all for it. Now I’m not a big fan of Grant by any means, but I’m not sure if Jackson can provide that little burst we need. I just have a bad feeling about trading Grant away for a CB that probably won’t get any better. I know Cromartie is young, but I don’t see him improving much over the next several years. I’ve been wrong before though…
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Oh we’d HAVE to either draft someone or grab a FA to fill his spot. There is NO way we can proceed with just Jackson!!!
Just think…Cromartie could be a #2 CB here if Woodson stayed at CB next season…he’d be one of the best #2 CBs in the league easily!!
Just think…Cromartie could be a #2 CB here if Woodson stayed at CB next season…he’d be one of the best #2 CBs in the league easily!!
And Williams would likely be the best nickel back in the league. That could be a scary good secondary. Especially if we can improve our pass rush next year.
by packallday555 on Feb 17, 2010 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
trade?
i would trade hawk, colledge, lee and bush for cromartie.
though i doubt the chargers will go for it. i’m sure their is film on those players. just wishful thinking.
So you’d give them a whole bunch of mediocre players? Why would they want that? What good do any of those players do for the Chargers? yikes…
Make the Trade!!
First, I’d be all for the trade. Replacing Grant would be easier than finding a sure-thing CB from our position in the draft.
Second, I think that Grant is not given enough credit in many of these comments. He is probably one of the top 5 backs in the NFC. Our running game would probably suffer some were we to trade him, but probably less than our pass defense suffered against Arizona, Minnesota and Pittsburgh.
Three, San Diego is likely to simply put LT on waivers, he’d be worth picking up, if Grant were traded. He’s not the LT of old, but he still keeps defenses honest.
I’d also add that Williams is simply not as good as a lot of Packer fans would like to think. He is a good 3rd corner, but he’s not really in Cromartie’s league.
I agree with you on Grant
I think he is a great back for the system we have. We are a passing team first so any big name RB would not want to play for the Packers for starters and then why would we want to pay big $ for a guy to have less than 20 touches a game. And Grant does one thing most backs can not do. He gets stronger as the season goes on. His stats the last two months are amazing and would bet they are some of the best in the league.
If Grant is a Top 5 back in the NFC, then he’d have the ability to carry our offense without a passing game. The problem is, he rarely ever comes to life before the 4th Quarter, where he gets the bulk of his stats.
SD wants a high draft pick along with a RB though, so I don’t think a 2nd Round pick with Grant is good on our behalf. We can get a CB just as good as Cromartie in the 2nd Round.
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Well they can want anything but that doesn’t mean someone is going to give it to them.
Looking for some precident:
2008: Deangelo Hall netted the Falcons a 2nd and 5th from the Raiders. He was a three year starter who averaged 5 INTs and around 70 tackles. He was considered the next young “shutdown” corner in the league. He did come with a little baggage though which is why the Falcons were cutting ties. Cromartie is not a 2008 Hall…he has less baggage but he’s not quite as good either.
Lito Sheppard was traded from the Eagles to the Jets for a fifth and a conditional pick this year which could be as high as a #2. Cromartie is better than Lito.
Fabian Washington was worth a 4th, Al Harris was worth a second rounder (we got a fourth in return)
I couldn’t find anywhere a corner that was traded for a 1st or anything more than a 2nd and 5th. Could be for a variety of reasons.
Anyway, there is a CHANCE we could find someone in the second round as good but who knows. We could also find another mediocre corner and be in the same position. You only make the deal if you feel good about having Cromartie resigned long term as part of the deal. If not, its a rent a player deal which is something this organization wouldn’t do.
HaHa
Just because somebody gets a 2nd and 5th from Al Davis for a player, doesn’t necessarily mean that they would get that from a sane person. LOL.
Sorry. Couldn’t resist.
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Yahoo article...
This article from Yahoo states that the Packers might be more likely to trade a draft pick than a player…I guess I’d have to see what the pick would be. I’d probably send a 2nd over there or a combo of picks, if it was our first, I don’t know if I’d be AS keen. I thought this brought a new twist to the story…
wow
TT trading a draft pick is almost unfantomable
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1st round pick > Cromardie??
I don’t follow this logic. You know exactly what you are getting w/ Cromardie, and our 1st round pick is in the 20’s who knows what you’ll get with that. The best you could get would be a future pro bowler, which is what Cromardie already is. This just doesn’t make sense to me.
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He’s a one time pro bowler (amazing 2007 season) who regressed somewhat in the two years that followed. He claims 2009 was his best year ever though the stats don’t follow. He’s a very good corner who has the potential to be a great one. if he was great right now, there is NO way SD is moving him.
Look how few of players actually net a first round pick in a trade. Most teams would have to get more of sure thing than what Cromartie probably is.
That said, I like him. I think he’s a very good corner. He’s tall (6’ 2") which you don’t always see in a corner. He’s pretty good in coverage. He’s shown he CAN be a ball hawk though his numbers have come down since his sick 2007 campaign. He’s also a poor tackler and a gambler (risking the big play for the sure play) which can lead to big play TDs on him at times.
He’s also coming up on the last year of his contract so most likely he’s going to want a nice raise and obviously if we make a deal, we are going to want to have him locked up right away so we don’t risk losing him next off season.
His contract is enough to convince me to avoid Cromartie
That’s a good point you brought here, I never thought about that one.
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I would like the trade
if we offer draft picks. I dont think TT would send off our 1st round without having something in place to get another one. So I would assume a combo of picks would work. how about a 2nd and a 3rd for Cromartie and their 3rd, 4th, or so on round pick.
by bizzle4 on Feb 17, 2010 10:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
why are people so hell-bent on moving Woodson to S?
Seriously: he was DPOY at CB this year. His play in 2008 dipped when he was moved to S. Why why why do so many people want to push him out of the #1 CB slot?
Cromartie had one good year. He’s not a big fan of contact. He’s a character risk. I’d be willing to take the risk if the RB involved were Jackson. If we move Grant, the Chargers would have to sweeten the deal considerably.
I’m not sure about all the moving Woodson to S talk either. Maybe that happens in a year or two but seeing as how he was one of the best Cb’s in the league this year, why move him?
by packallday555 on Feb 18, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
yep, keep him at corner until he starts to slow down, THEN move him
optimize good playing time from him, because moving him there now wont change how long he will be playing
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brandon jackson
i wouldnt trade ryan grant ,but i would trade brandon jackson and a 3rd or 2nd round .
Cromartie: Speed and swagger of a young woodson.....
Antonio Cromartie. Just what the packers secondary is lacking. Sure, grant has been a solid back but he almost seems “soft” at times without having the speed and versatility in return. I think he would be great fit for the chargers..but I dont think they will be satisfied with just grant for the young cromartie. We can definitley adress the back situation in the draft. I like the idea of McKight or McCluster a “westbrook” type back that would fit PERFECT in our system. Sure Cromartie struggled last year, and the notion that he shys from contact, sounds alot like what people were saying about Charles Woodson a few years ago in Oakland. ITS ALL ABOUT THE SYSTEM AND YOUR TEAMMATES!! Woodson -Cromartie a KILLER # 1 and #2 !!
Woodson admitted to a lot of his mistakes in Oakland though
He claimed it wasn’t Oakland’s system, it was him not being prepared, being injured frequently, and being a party animal. When nobody except GB wanted him after his release, Woodson sought to prove everyone wrong. That’s when he changed and became a stud CB in GB. It was more of luck and perfect timing on our behalf.
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Dunta Robinson
He will be an unrestricted free agent and i dont think wants to resign with the Texans. He is pretty young and has some talent.
He’ll likely want tons of money though.
by packallday555 on Feb 19, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
We have tons of money though. I’m pretty sure we have a lot of cap room relative to most teams around the league and, due to the youth of our team and so many quality players still on their rookie deals, can afford to dish out big money to one name in free agency. Especially, if we don’t resign Kampman
Yeah, I suppose your right but we have quite a few guys we need to re-sign. I’m not sure how much we’ll have after we get done with that, and even if this next year is uncapped I’m sure we’ll see TT treat it as if it were capped. Who knows though, I certainly wouldn’t mind paying a young, proven Cb big money.
by packallday555 on Feb 22, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
I'd rather sign Dunta then trade for Cromartie
I’d also like to draft a CB in the 2nd Round though for insurance.
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We’ll probably have a LOT more competition on Dunta though because he is a free agent. Then you have to compete with not only the teams but the fact that young guys like Dunta probably don’t want to live in GB. I’d LOVE to see him come here but I think we’d have to outbid other teams to make it happen.
I feel like players would want to come to GB at this point in time. Other than the cold and not much too do for a rich athlete in his twenties, he would have a great defense around him and a young talented offense. Sometimes, players give small discounts to teams where they can win. A remember this happening with the Pats a lot a few years ago.
Yeah…we do have that helping us out right now…but its still a small town and it still has this stigma against it. Younger guys that want to go out and have a good time will probably hate it there and it might affect their opinion if say we are up against larger city and are offering a comparable value. Maybe we can have guys like Woodson talk to the FAs to tell them its not as bad as they think it will be.
The piece on Woodson, and just kind of his story could go a long way in helping FAs legitimately consider coming to FAs. Even though they probably wouldn’t have as much fun “socially” in GB, it would allow them to concentrate more on football just cause there isn’t a whole lot else to do. Plus, we have a good, young team, so you would think guys would be more willing or interested but I know that isn’t always the case.
by packallday555 on Feb 22, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Terrible idea.
I think trading Grant for a CB of the future is a great idea, but I would prefer it be one who can tackle. We don’t need another bad tackler on this team.
NO
horrible thinking here. Grant is a reliable Pro Bowl RB. Cromartie couldnt cover a corpse and his tackling is god awful. CB is way too important to the 3-4, not a chance on this trade,
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no he does not. from what I have seen, heard, and read, AC is an awful cover man who gives up many big gain plays or clutch plays. You guys just might be thinkin of all the great highlights he has with great INTs and thinking hes good. To consider trading Grant for him is insane
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Have you ever watched him? I’m sorry but there is no way you could watch him and conclude he “is an awful cover man”. Jarrett Bush is an awful cover man. Cromartie is easily an above average cover guy.
by packallday555 on Feb 20, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
That is ridiculous. I think YOU are the one watching highlights. You see a few of the bad plays where he takes a chance on a ball and lets something go. He is FAR FAR FAR from an awful cover man. He IS however someone that is ballhawk and with that comes taking some chances and sometimes guys get by him. I’ll give you that.
why do you think they’re trading him for cheap more than likely??? I have seen enough of the Chargers defense where I can easily say that AC is not a good or average cover corner. And my Charger fan friends tell me he is absolutely terrible in big spots.
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How do know their giving him away for cheap more then likely? It’s been rumored they either want an every down Rb or a high draft pick. Neither of those are hardly for cheap.
by packallday555 on Feb 21, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Obviously you have never watached a SanDiego chargers game,
Cromartie is a premier CB, but I agree with you on the stand point that I’m not sure it is worth the trade of Ryan Grant. People over look the value of a reliable RB who does not fumble the ball. People say, “RB’s are easily replaceable”. Well, take a look at the Bears situation after ridding themselves of Thomas Jones. Or how about the Lions, it’s been almost two decades and they still haven’t found a replacement for Barry Sanders.
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You can’t really replace a Barry Sanders but Detroit has a lot of other holes to fill before they can even have a good back be productive. That being said though Smith wasn’t horrible.
by Packerfan045 on Feb 19, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Didn't Barry Sanders replace all the holes on the OL?
LOL. that’s a joke. Sanders was the entire offense for the most part. You can’t replace a RB of that kind of talent. It’s impossible. We will never see a Barry Sanders again.
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The Lions have had some decent backs…just no Sanders. They’ll most likely never have another Sanders. We aren’t talking Sanders here though, Grant could be replaced fairly easily I think. I do value how well he hangs onto the ball though…he’s a good, above average back on a great offense which I think makes him look even better than he is.
Right. Sorry off topic thanks for bringing it back:)
by Packerfan045 on Feb 19, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
are you serious? cromartie’s been criticized heavily for his coverage skills. I see him get torched plenty of times.
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ok I get the feeling you just wanna go against everything I say and try to start an internet fight (maybe cus of that 1st line in my sig, i dont know).
Yea every player will get burned from time to time but do not even consider comparing woodson to cromartie. be serious.
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No it’s just the truth. Guys who are ballhawks generally get beat more then guys who aren’t just because of their playing nature. Many times they try and play the underneath route in hopes of jumping it for a pick, and it leaves them vulnerable to the deep route. Even if AC did that for us it wouldn’t be a huge deal because we have the luxury of having Collins back deep.
by packallday555 on Feb 21, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
You are in here calling Cromartie:
I can easily say that AC is not a good or average cover corner
AC is an awful cover man
Cromartie couldnt cover a corpse
I’m not picking a fight with you at all…you are just making a REALLY bad argument and trying to make a point by making RIDICULOUS comments that are just not backed by real game play. He’s a ball hawk…he does get burned (I’ve said that almost each time now) but he’s NOT an awful cornerback, As long as you keep making ridiculous comments like that I will keep arguing against your ridiculous comments!
Was I comparing him to Woodson? No…I was making an analogy to help you understand the type of player he is. Yo uare right ALL corners get burned from time to time…so does Woodson and so does Cromartie. He makes big plays and he gets burned at times.
& really? Move Woodson to safety so Cromartie can be our cornerback while we’re not sure how effect Harris will be coming off surgery? Maybe you didnt see that experiment and how ineffective it was. But thanks for that cus that along with trading Grant is how I know not to really take anything you say seriously.
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Who ever said we move Woodson to safety? We would play Woodson and AC on the outsides, and then Harris and Williams in the slots. And that would actually be good for Harris cause who knows how much he’ll have left.
Take anything he says seriously? And why can’t you do that? Your talking about Grant as if he is AP or something. Grant has been alright for us. He puts up pretty modest numbers but it’s clear when watching him he is probably only an average-slighty above Rb at best. He lacks speed, strength, and vision. It wouldn’t be hard to replace him, and I would argue that Jackson could come in and do all the same things that Grant does.
Getting a young Cb, who is already pretty good and has the physical tools to be one of the best Cb’s ever would be a very smart move. Especially if all we had to give up was Grant and a later round pick.
by packallday555 on Feb 21, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
Woodson inside too
We put him at nickel a lot this year for blitzing, and almost as a 3rd linebacker. Also, he is good run support.
That’s true. Wow, adding another good Cb could really give us a really, really stellar secondary at least until Woodson retires.
by packallday555 on Feb 22, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
I did make a comment that having another good, proven corner would eventually allow us to move woodson to corner. At some point his age is going to catch up and he’ll be in the boat that Harris is now…now you are the one sounding like you are picking fights!
The “experiment” was due to urgency due to us missing both of our corners and not having enough depth. Woodson was moved there mid-season. He wasn’t training for that position….he didn’t have an off season to prepare. ARe you saying you honestly don’t think Woodson would excel in a position like that with an off season to prepare? He’d probably KILL IT at that position.
You sound like the kind of guy that thinks of every player on the Packers as better than every guy on other teams…that is annoying. They aren’t.
i agree. Woodson could definitely play safety. It’s not fair to look at the season before this past one because he had no preparation. Not to mention the defense was incredibly banged up (i think Jenkins, Harris, and Collins, and Barnett where all injured when he was moved to safety). Not to mention the defense was awful that season before he moved to safety, Tramon had less experience and was less reliable, and frankly our scheme was shit before the 3-4 transition. Now with a proven, effective defense, I think he could play at safety and be given lots of freedom too roam around, almost like Polomalu’s role.
It’s really not that hard to replace Rb’s. It is if you don’t have any eye for Rb talent, like TT, but for GMs who do have that eye for talent it’s not hard. The Bears have Forte now, and even Kevin Smith has been good for the Lions. (I’d take him over Grant anyday). Hell, the Vikings have had Robert Smith, Melwede Moore, Chester Taylor, and AP. All above average backs. Rb’s are probably one of the deepest positions in the league, if not the deepest. Replacing Grant would not be that difficult to do, especially when you take into account that Grant is really pretty average or maybe a little above it.
by packallday555 on Feb 20, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
"Move Charles to saftey",
are you of retard? You want to move the NFL DPOY to a new position. Wow.
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Wow…what an intelligent post…thanks for contributing so much there. You are lucky Sarah Palin doesn’t visit this place! If you had read the post you would have seen it said have the option. I actually am not a fan of that move…I’d rather see Woodson there and Harris on the road for a draft pick or something like that (if he has that kind of value anymore)
Sadly I'm not sure Al has much left,
I love the guy he’s been my favorite for years, but at his age I just don’t see him coming back from that injury.
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Please resist the urge to inject politics.
When you do, you invite responses, and this is not a political blog.
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The glass is more than half-full.
I’d prefer if people didn’t use slurs to refer to people…how about if we clean that up and then worry about political comments. How can someone honest get their panties in a bundle about a reference to a political figure and not about using “retard”.
I'd prefer that, too.
You are right about the use of slurs.
No one said the use of ‘retard’ didn’t bother me, but, we can make our points just as easily, and as well, without politics.
But, whatever.
Back to football.
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The glass is more than half-full.
Trust me I have NO interest in bringing politics into a sports thread. It wasn’t a political reference as much as it was a social reference these days. I don’t see it any different than if someone made a gay slur and I said something like…“Good thing Rosie O’Donnell doesn’t read this blog”. I guess that was more of my thought with it. But trust me, no interest in going political here…yuck.
hey guys charger fan here
if you wanna know anything about cromartie just ask me.
a positive points:
-he is an above average cover corner
-he has really good hands
-he is young and still improving
-he has the physical tools to be one of the greatest at his posistion (and im not exaggerating)
some negatives:
-he is soft, he is afraid to tackle, seriously
-he has some character issues, im not saying he is a bad person but he is still very immature. he has 7 kids with 5 different moms
-he lost the trust of the locker room. there are some points where people either show that they have it or dont have it, when he refused to tackle shonne green, he lost all the respect in the locker room.
hope this helps, take care
Life is like riding a bicycle, to keep your balance, you must keep moving.-Einstein
Thanks for clearing up that he indeed is a good cover corner. Jusr because he gets beat every so often because he takes risks does not mean is bad in coverage by any means.
Do you think he has work ethic problems? He was all world in 2007 and then has kind of regressed these past two seasons. What do you think the reason for that is?
And what are you hearing as far as what your team would want for Cromartie?
by packallday555 on Feb 20, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
A bit overrated
i think people may look a little too much at his highlight reel, Pro Bowl season. All I know is that the Chargers defense has been pretty bad overall the past few years, but this could be due more to their bad run defense. However, too be unbiased, Grant could be a little overrated, too. It seems like his stats really get padded in garbage time and he never really carried us to any victories this year. But, running backs are definitely more replaceable in free agency, easier to evaluate in college than corners. I think I would rather have Cromartie than Grant straight up since he has shown so much potential. Also, I don’t like to think that players really get “worse” unless they play at a lower level due to age or injury. I think sometimes players, especially on defense, may just have poorer stats from the team around them playing worse, such as a worse offensive line for a running back’s stats or a worse front-seven for a DB’s stats (maybe this happened to Cromartie whe Merriman was out).
by justinlewis on Feb 22, 2010 9:23 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think sometimes players, especially on defense, may just have poorer stats from the team around them playing worse, such as a worse offensive line for a running back’s stats or a worse front-seven for a DB’s stats (maybe this happened to Cromartie whe Merriman was out).
I was thinking this too, and the stats would support it. When Merriman was great in 2007 AC was too. Then he sits out 2008 and they have the 23rd most sacks in the league. Then in 2009 they had the 13th most sacks in the league but in comparison they had 2 less sacks then our defense. And seeing as how many of us feel our pass rush needs a lot of work, being 13th in sacks probably doesn’t indicate how well they really pressure they Qb.
by packallday555 on Feb 22, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
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