Rumors: Peppers Done In Carolina? - Asomugha Done In Oakland?
DE Julius Peppers wasn't supposed to return to the Panthers in 2009. Peppers wanted out of Carolina last January, but the Panthers insisted that he stay around by placing the franchise tag on him for $16.7 million. To place the franchise tag on him again in 2010, they would probably have to pay him around $20 million and it doesn't look like they are interested at that price. Could he become a Green Bay Packer?
With an uncapped year "virtually certain" in 2010, the Packers could certainly squeeze him under an unlimited salary cap. But they still do have a budget to keep, and Peppers won't come cheap. I don't think he can play either outside LB in the Packers' 3-4 scheme, or defensive end. So that makes him a situational pass rusher, which the Packers could certainly use. But that's a steep price for a potentially one-dimensional player, and GM Ted Thompson doesn't break the bank on free agents. I just can't see it happening, and it's not a good deal at that price anyway.
I can't even believe the Raiders are exploring a trade for All-World CB Nnamdi Asomugha. They just signed him to a monster 3 year, $45 million contract a year ago, and now they are going to trade him? That would sound crazy from most teams, but these are the Raiders. As good as he is, the remaining financial burden of his contract plus the multiple draft choices needed to acquire him would likely exceed the value he'd deliver on the field in 2010. Plus he'll have to be resigned again after 2011 for another $15 million per season, at least. That's very expensive and a major chunk of their budget and available talent in the future. Just because I have good credit and can have a $4,000 55 inch LED HDTV delivered to my house this week, doesn't mean I should do it.
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I want nothing to do with Peppers. He may want to be a 3-4 linebacker but who’s going to be crazy enough to give him a HUGE contract to change positions and take that kind of risk. Let the Patriots have him…they can take that risk. We’ve already tried this once with a top notch 4-3 DE and it failed, we can’t afford to take that risk again…not at that price. I want nothing to do with Peppers.
Nnamdi is another story. I can’t imagine what they want for the kid but I get goosebumps thinking about Favre trying to throw against us next year with his top 2 WRs blanketed by two of the top 5 CBs in the league! :-) I highly highly doubt that this will happen but it would really set us up nicely going forward and there is NO rookie out there that can make an immediate impact like Nnamdi would. Just imagine how great it would be to have BOTH of the Raiders all world CBs back together again in green! I don’t know if it would be the smartest move financially, that’s why Ted and his team are there, but a man can dream…can’t he??
by TrevorR on Feb 2, 2010 11:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh man...
I’m drooling on my keyboard after seeing the specs on that TV.
That said, I agree that Peppers is not a good fit for the 3-4 and that Al Davis’ asking price for Asomugha would be too steep. I argue that we would be better off re-signing Collins and Tramon Williams (for about the same combined amount as Asomugha) and focusing on improving through the draft.
"Career highlights? I had two. I got an intentional walk from Sandy Koufax and I got out of a rundown against the Mets." - Bob Uecker
by texwestern on Feb 2, 2010 11:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I can live with our 1-3 CBs
We need youth and depth in the secondary (and yes, I know about Lee and Blackmon), not a hugely expensive superstar. And as much as I like Bigby, a durable S to play alongside a re-signed (ahem) Collins is a must too.
If we’re going to play the FA market (haha, right), then I wonder about any FA/RFA nickel CBs out there on other rosters that might be ready to step up. That’s who TT would be looking at.
Peppers? Unless he’s ready to play for an incentive-laden contract, no way. Too many questions to justify any large price tag he’ll be demanding.
I’m wondering how the whole uncapped year is going to affect the market this year. Should be interesting.
by swilldog on Feb 2, 2010 12:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to have Asomugha, but his contract is way too heavy to carry. Unless we could work with him to redo his contract into a long term contract, then I’d be happy to trade a 1st and 3rd Round pick for Nmandi Asomugha. He’s the best cover corner in the game at a level far more superior to Charles Woodson in terms of coverage. I highly doubt TT is interested in this though. If it came down to a choice between resigning Collins or going for Asomugha, I’d choose Asomugha if we can rework his contract. Shutdown corners are tough to find and CB’s are a lot more difficult to replace than Safeties.
As for Julius Peppers, no way. Not interested. I don’t see him as a 3-4 OLB and I know he doesn’t want to play as a 3-4 DE. I’d much rather keep Aaron Kampmann. Peppers will demand a high salary and he’s lazy often times, so not worth it.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
by Jabooty on Feb 2, 2010 1:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I am right with you. I think I’d rather have Nnamdi than Collins…isn’t the hope to eventually move Woodson to safety anyway? His ideal spot would be where collins plays I think anyway, right?? I wonder if Asomugha would restructure to be on a contender with some other talented players. I would also give up a 1st and 3rd (franchise player values) to secure his services…he’s young and playing at the top of his game. Then we draft another corner and a safety and work on getting guys ready to replace harris and woodson!
by TrevorR on Feb 2, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Asomugha
I’d trade both Kampman and Hawk for Asomugha. Both Harris and Woodson are on the wrong side of 30 and Williams is the only semi-decent player to replace them at this point.
As for Peppers…I’d give him a shot at OLB opposite Clay with Barnett and Chillar in the middle with Bishop and Jones rotating in. Just not for an absurd amount. We don’t know if teams are going to be silly spending on FA’s or stiff them or try to sign guys to one year deals.
If we offered Peppers a one year deal at 15 mil and no one else comes close, who knows? All speculation at this point I guess.
by gangstaff on Feb 2, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think getting Asomugha creates a sad situation for Al Harris.
dudes got one year left for 2.5 mil. Giving up that 1st round would kill us, we really need OT. But if they are trying to build a defense for Rodgers then I suggest they re-sign Collins, Bigby, Jolly, T.Williams and then trade for Asomugha.
I’m more in favor of trading a 3rd round pick for Joey Porter. Then re-signing Collins, Jolly, T.Williams, Spitz, Tauscher. And draft Bryan Bulaga with our 1st pick and Myron Rolle with our 2nd pick. This would be a nice front 7, and might be able to live with our current secondary (with the addition of M.Rolle). Now all we would have to do is pray that we get blessed with good health going into the playoffs.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Feb 2, 2010 1:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We only need 1 OT though
I GUARANTEE you guys that Allen Barbre would make an excellent Guard, just not an OT. Keep Lang at RT, draft a true franchise LT. Our OL would be set. We can get our OT in the 2nd Round.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
by Jabooty on Feb 2, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand.
I just thought Tauscher would be at RT with Lang and our rookie OT fighting out for LT. I rather spend the 2nd round pick on Myron Rolle instead of a OT, they say he’s a late 2nd/early 3rd pick. But I wouldn’t complain if we went after Asomugha.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Feb 2, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I doubt TT will go after Asomugha
Rolle has been climbing the draft boards though. I have a feeling after the Combine he’ll be a late 1st Round pick. I’d rather use our 1st Round pick on a CB, then our 2nd on an OT.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
by Jabooty on Feb 2, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
Maybe he does shoot into the 1st round, kinda like DRC did in 08. There are also rumors that A. Cromartie will be available at the right price, but again these are just rumors. Does anybody know what position is deep in this years draft?
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Feb 2, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't quote me on this
I think I read somewhere that this yrs draft is deep in SS and DT’s.
by turd on Feb 2, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
depth
Actually this years group of OT is about the best its been in awhile. THe depth is very good, but none of them are nearly as good as Joe Thomas! They are all good OT, but no stud’s…
CB is a deep position too. Except that its all 2nd and 3 rd rd talent. No shut down CB, other than MAYBE Haden.
I like Rolle too. Wonder how high he climbs draft boards. Was thinking the 3rd rd before the Sr Bowl, now it may take our 2nd rd pick to get him.
by Strohman on Feb 2, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it looks there will be 5-6 good LTs that’ll go in the first round, hopefully we can get one of them.
I would gladly take Rolle with our 2nd round pick. He and Collins could become a great tandem for years to come.
by packallday555 on Feb 2, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep your eyes peeled...
I’ll be posting a preview of OTs that might be available to us at the 23rd pick sometime in the next week.
"Career highlights? I had two. I got an intentional walk from Sandy Koufax and I got out of a rundown against the Mets." - Bob Uecker
by texwestern on Feb 3, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bye Bye Barbre
Allen Barbre is history as far as the Packers go. He’ll be lucky to even make to training camp.
by MikeDB on Feb 4, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn’t disagree more. They’ve talked about trying him out at LG because he is a good run blocker, and seeing as how Colledge was pretty bad this past year I don’t see why they wouldn’t give Barbre a chance. It’s not like having him come into camp hurts anything. Either he’ll look good at LG or he won’t.
by packallday555 on Feb 4, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be great. Rolle would be great value in the 2nd round as he would have been a top 15 pick in last years draft if not for taking a year off. He has the physical abilities but even more so he is smart! It seemed like Bigby was out of position so much this season, and I don’t think him being a “big hitter” is worth dealing with those mistakes. He would be an assignment sure guy, who can also provide a big play from time to time, which would compliment Collins great.
Trading fro Porter would be a great addition too. I don’t think we’ll see another OLB come in though. From all reports thus far it seems like TT and Kampman are both on the same page in thinking he’ll be back.
by packallday555 on Feb 2, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Needs Vs. Wants
WE NEED A FRANCHISE LT ~ Does anyone know if there are any young Free Agent LTs available? Wouldn’t it make more sense to get a vet we know can handle LT before the Draft, so we can go after the OLB we really need more than a CB in the 1st Round!? Come on guys… How many CB did we have hurt this year??? 4?
We need to get more pressure on the QB’s!!!!! This will help out our CB’s… I don’t mind if we go corner in the 3rd round… but, would much rather have a PLAYMAKING OLB… and our LT situation taken care of before we even think about a CB!!! Asomugha Would BE AWESOME but… Dare I say too expensive for TT…
WE HAVE 4 GLARING NEEDS>>>> LT, OLB, ILB, & CB
We have a need for Back-up RB & Interior OL… LET US AT LEAST TRY TO ADDRESS OUR NEEDS 1st & Wants later!
GO PACK!!!!
by Bird Dog Uni on Feb 2, 2010 6:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We Have a Winner!
Good analysis… Been saying for weeks we need an explosive, playmaking OLB opposite Matthews!!! Its my #2 need after OT. IF we can get Bulaga in the 1st its a slam dunk!!! I don’t see him falling that far tho. That being the case, I like Jerry Hughes in the 1st!
Both of TB OT are RFA or UFA… Penn and Trueblood. Neither is great, but would be MORE than servicable for a couple years while we continue to look for a Stud LT.
I don’t see ILB as a need. Barnett and Chillar are good, and would make our ILB corp more than adequate! CB in the 2nd or 3rd, definitely not the 1st.
At Safety I like Asante from Nebraska in the 3rd if we cant get Rolle!
by Strohman on Feb 2, 2010 10:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Barnett will likely be better next year as I’ve heard it usually takes a year or two for your knee to heal fully from the kind of injury he had, and just growing more accustomed to our system will help him improve as well. Chillar is a solid guy, and could become better if he gets more playing time then he has had in the past.
by packallday555 on Feb 2, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with you
I was calling for GB to draft O’Brien Schofield in the 3rd Round, but since he tore his ACL in the East-West Shrine Game, that makes me a little nervous. There aren’t any players in the draft other than him that I really feel would be a true primary pass rusher opposite Clay Matthews. We do need one, I’m just not sure if this draft offers it. I was all for Schofield until he tore his ACL, now I’m skeptical. I think our best option at this point is to resign Aaron Kampman to a short term deal, then if doesn’t pan out next year, we know who to target the next draft.
I liked the rumor in trading AJ Hawk to SD for CB Antonio Cromartie, that’d be an even trade and would greatly help our secondary. Chillar and Barnett should be our starters. No questions there.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
by Jabooty on Feb 3, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pass rushers
The draft has a couple of pass rushers that are better than Schofield!!! Hughes from TCU and Graham from Michigan are both good fits for OLB that can get pressure on the QB, and both are better at it than Schofield… DOn’t let your UW bias cloud your judgement!!!
Cromartie has been to a Pro Bowl so its not an even trade! Hawk and a 2nd for Cromartie and a 5th rd pick or something to that effect was the trade I heard!
by Strohman on Feb 4, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hawk and a 2nd for Cromartie and a 5th rd pick or something to that effect was the trade I heard!
Even that doesn’t seem like it would get it done though. Why would the Chargers want Hawk? He isn’t an improvement over either of the guys they have now at ILB.
by packallday555 on Feb 4, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nnamdi
We have a Pro Bowl QB. Three potential all-Pro receivers. A potential Pro Bowl alternate RB. On defense we’ve got potential all-Pro DLs, a Pro Bowl OLB and other potential all-Pro LBs. And 2 Pro Bowl DBs. Basically, we need improvement on the Offensive Line, in the Secondary, and a dominating LB.
The Packers are (or, at least, should be) finished with rebuilding mode. We are Super Bowl close, though not Super Bowl ready. Now is not the time to shun away from a trade or FA that can put us over the top. I think that TT is aware of that.
Nnamdi could be a major step in putting us over the top. Giving up a 1st and 3rd round pick for him may be a bit much, but it is possible to negotiate a bit. I’d like to see us give them these two picks, plus a player (Hawk, Kampman, Williams, Barbre, Colledge, ??) for Nnamdi and the Raiders 2nd round pick. That would be an exchange of about 15 slots. Get Rolle at safety, who will produce as a rookie, and a good OL, or an LB, in the 2nd round.
If we keep Clifton and Tauscher at tackles at least one more year, Spitz and Lang contribute more on the line, and Sitton continues his development, the offensive line should be good for at least 1-2 more years, so I don’t believe that a dominating LT is as urgent of a need as some are saying. If we fill the holes in the secondary (1 starting CB and 1 safety), and add another pass rusher, we will be on our way to a dominating defense like the Ravens and Steelers of a few years ago. That is what will get us another Super Bowl.
by MikeDB on Feb 4, 2010 12:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Packers are (or, at least, should be) finished with rebuilding mode. We are Super Bowl close, though not Super Bowl ready. Now is not the time to shun away from a trade or FA that can put us over the top. I think that TT is aware of that.
I would hope so too. You would think he has to be able to see it but who knows.
I disagree about us not needing a LT that bad though. We can bring Clifton back but what can we expect out of him? He is 33, struggled with injuries last year, and was pretty average at best even when he was healthy. The possibility of him going down with an injury next year seems pretty high and if that happens then what do we do? Turn to Colledge? Hell no. Lang? I assume that’s would what we’d do but Lang isn’t ever going to be a good LT in the NFL. His arms are just too short.
I don’t necessarily know if we need a starting Cb either. Woodson will be good next year, Harris will be coming back, and if he doesn’t work out we can always play Williams who is pretty good. What killed our pass defense was our nickel and dime backs. Hopefully Pat Lee can play one of those spots and I think Underwood could be a good dime back for us. I still think we should definitely take a few Cb’s in the draft but do so with the mentality that one of the guys we take will be able to contribute at the nickel or dime spot, and eventually be able to turn into a starter when Woodson and Harris are gone.
I really like Rolle at safety. The guy was a Rhodes Scholar so we know he is smart, plus he has the physical attributes to go with that. Like you said he would produce as a rookie and would likely be an improvement over Bigby. Where our pass defense really struggled was in the middle of the field. Bigby seemed to be out of place so many times this year and it seemed pretty apparent that he struggled in the zone coverages. I know a guy like Rolle could at least manage to be in the right place most of the time, and even if he isn’t able to make the big plays from there (which I think he could do) it would still be an improvement. I think he’ll drop to the 2nd round but we would probably have to trade up do so.
If we re-sign Kampman we know he’ll be able to help with the pass rush it’ll just be a matter of seeing how he improves or doesn’t improve in coverage. I don’t see how he couldn’t be better in coverage, seeing as how he seemed to be improving in only his 9th game playing OLB for the first time 8-9 years but who knows I guess.
by packallday555 on Feb 4, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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