Is it just me or is Tomlinson a no brainer?
by Kevin French on Feb 22, 2010 6:30 PM CST
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Adding LT to the Packers offense would make them unstoppable. And I don't want to hear anything about how old he is or how his fantasy numbers have dropped. The guy is still good. He said that he wants to win a championship and Green Bay is a definite championship contender. Not only next year but for years to come. He can split time with grant if he has to but he is still a receiving threat and it seems to me that Green Bay would be the perfect fit.
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I'd say he's...
…better than Jackson at least. I don’t know how Grant would feel about it. Would he see it as the team trying to bring in someone to challenge him for the starter spot? Maybe it would motivate him
I don't know...
While LT was amazing…he’s not what he was. I don’t know what role he’d fit in?? We need a 3rd down back…I can’t see LT humbling himself to the point where he’s a role player like that.
tomlinson
why are we even talking about tomlinson being an option. the offense is fine, the defense needs work. the offense can score against anybody, the defense stopped the bad teams and got lit up by the good teams except dallas, which was at lambeau.
imo, the only way tomlinson can help us is if returns kicks and punts. besides L.T. will probably want to go to a team where he’s a featured back…..the texans would be a good fit for tomlinson..
That's not the only way
He can be good to us too by going to Detroit or Chicago and we’ll hold him to 65 yards on 20 rushing attempts.
See now while I don’t know that LT is a no-brainer…this offense is FAR far from running at optimum levels. There is still a lot that can be done that we don’t do now. Obviously we need Oline help…I know you agree there. I think a good 3rd down back would do us a lot of good…Jackson is just mediocre. I don’t think our Oline is good enough for LT to be successful with us though.
Good 3rd down back could do wonders for our offense. It would really make our passing game complete.
by packallday555 on Feb 23, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Oh I agree completely…I’ve been leading that charge. I just don’t know if LT is the guy we want for the job. I want someone with some serious speed. LT has GREAT hands and would provide a bit of an x-factor in that he can throw a little too (not that I am convinced we do that) but I just don’t know if he has the speed to be fully effective…and especially at the price he’s going to come at. Its not like there won’t be multiple teams looking at him…
LT would be a good pick up for you
as he has good hands and provides Rodgers a nice target, but a better option would be Chester Taylor if the Vikes don’t man up and sign him. I think he would be a perfect fit for what you need a solid third down back with excellent hands and pass blocking. He also isn’t quite LT’s age and so will be a solid player for you for years.
I don’t want to lose CT, and I sure don’t want to play against him. However, if he does go, I would like to see him on a contending team, and you guys have a solid one for a very long time to come.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I want Chester over here BADLY!! He would be amazing getting say 40% of the carries and specializing in those tough 3rd downs. He’s still got 2-3 very good years left in him in my book!!
Yeah I hope he doesn't go but I know he'd be set up right in GB.
And we owe ya for Favre and Longwell. :)
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Agreed, LT definitely isn’t the guy. I wouldn’t mind drafting a quick guy in the later rounds, or picking up Taylor who could take like 50-60% of the carries away from Grant.
by packallday555 on Feb 23, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
its you
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
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by blackoutsox on Feb 22, 2010 9:40 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
agree
Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?
by BleedsbluinMI on Feb 23, 2010 7:46 AM CST up reply actions
Ditto
The O-Line, the secondary and special teams (especially the kickers) all need upgrades first…
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
Yep
Dude’s done. And, even if I thought we needed leadership in the locker room, LDT would be the last guy who would bring it. He sulks when he’s not the focus of the team.
by Curly Lambeau on Feb 23, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Tomlinson
While I think LT is done, it’s hard to say that with certainty. He was an All Pro, Pro Bowl running back as recently as 2007, however he fell off a steep cliff in 2009. The warning signs were there in 2008 with 3.8 ypc. He’s also recently turned 30, and has played through some injuries in recent seasons (though not injury prone). But he’s also the only recent survivor of the Curse of 370, so I think he deserves another chance. Somewhere.
Not LT
The life cycles of running backs are such that when they hit 30 or so, their skills diminish considerably. LT at this point in his career is an ordinary running back without the same power or first step he had in his prime. As such, he is a dime-a-dozen player, not worth what somebody undoubtedly will pay. Ahman Green will give you exactly the same production.
I am with you on this one. While I’d like to see us improve over Green…LT just isn’t that guy. He’s going to get FAR more money than his production, though you DO get that veteran experience that could rub off on a young RB. I think it makes sense in a place where they have a young RB, a good Oline, and need someone to come out on 3rd downs, catch some passes and make a few key first downs. We just aren’t the best fit for him…
last year I wrote about age and running backs
http://rmlumley.com/2009/01/age-and-running-backs/
For the most part, you hit 30 and you are done. The exception seems to be New York Jet running backs (Curtis Martin & Thomas Jones).
He's had just over a thousand carries in 8 years
Tomlinson had that many carries in his first 3 years.
We actually need two LTs come to think of it :)
As I’ve said, LT clearly stated his goal is to win a championship, so I can definitely see him accept a complimentary role. That’s shouldn’t be a problem.
As to his production, well obviously he’s not what he used to be, but we don’t need him to be that. We already have a solid featured back in Ryan Grant, and if LT can rack up some 500-600 yards and a bunch of TDs, that would upgrade our offense tremendously. Remember, our second best rusher last season was Rodgers – that’s not good.
The Dude abides
LT
The questions are:
Is he an upgrade? Yes, since he would be replacing Ahman Green as a backup to Ryan Grant. Good receiver and good goal line runner.
Does he add or subtract to the locker room? He would bring veteran leadership.
Can we afford him? Yes, we’re far enough under the slary cap to absorb the hit.
Getting LT may up the ante to the rest of the players how committed the team is to winning. Plus, it allows TT to have one less area to address in the draft.
On the other hand:
TT may find a player in the draft like Dexter McCluster to not only fill a backup RB role but also KR. If he can then we don’t need LT. But I do like what LT brings to the table.
Does LT keep us from going after someone who is more than a one year stopgap? Possibly. Does he take up valuable cap space that could be spent on other important needs like OT, CB, OLB, etc? Yes.
We can fill the roll LT would bring with any number of possible FAs or even more cheaply through the draft. The veteran angle is a good selling point…he’s a class act, no doubt, I just don’t think its a good use of the cap we do have.
lol
if our offense is FAR from being optimum, then the defense is light years away from being optimum. which is why you should be looking at defensive free agents rather than offense free agents.
Yeah, we really need help on defense.
by packallday555 on Feb 23, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
I know the last thing we saw from the team was a terrible D and an amazing O, but honestly they both still have a lot of work. Our Oline has no tackles. We still lack a consistent 3rd down back, we have terrible depth behind Rodgers. On D there are holes too…but this same group was also in their first year in a new system…they are going to come together some yet. We need a CB, maybe a Safety (???), OLB and maybe a Dlineman if Jolly ends up in prison.
last year i saw a defense step up against bad teams and get shredded by good teams.
the offense was consistent last year with a shoddy o-line in the begining of the year. unfortunately the packers are going to have to give cliffy a 2 year deal worth 12-14 million. no other options.
only on the cheap
I do think he’ll probably improve on last season, but he’s not really someone you can count on to start a whole season anymore and he’ll be too costly as a backup.
YES x infinity
I know i’m letting emotion cloud my judgement on this but I’d die to see LDT as our 3rd down back. I’m pretty confident he’s got enough left for that role. He’s an excellent receiver, blocker, smart player. Will he accept a backup role and playing in GB? I can’t see him getting a starting job anywhere, and the Pack are definitely on the upswing. Depends who else offers him the same type of role I guess, and maybe the amount of money.
$$$$$$
The addition of LT would undoubtedly be good for the team in several ways: a good character veteran influence, a good back out of the backfield on 3rd down, an upgrade on all of our RBs behind Grant, and the possibility of some regaining of his old form, especially if less is asked of him.
However, money is an issue. I don’t really pay much attention to contract details, salary cap rules, etc. I am not a GM. But if LT would cost us more than he could provide in terms of football, then signing him isn’t worth it. If we signed him under his current contract terms, it would be ridiculous – interfering with our ability to resign RFAs we need to resign (e.g., Collins, Jolly, Pickens, etc) But if LT has made enough big bucks, and is now playing for a Super Bowl ring, then it could be a really good move.
Tomlinson is done
Have you looked at his numbers? Yards/carry has fallen every year since 2006. Total yards for 2009 are half what he had in 2007.
LdT’s days as a starting running back are (or, at least should be) done. Based on what he’s said (or reports thereof), he still thinks he can be the #1 guy.
He could be OK for the Packers, but (I think) only if he’s willing to play (and get the pay of) a 2nd-string back. But if he was willing to do that, why not stay with the Chargers?
He wants to be on a team that can actually get to the next level, not just a great regular season team. I think he wants a ring and I think SD is just done with him…not necc his choice!
Or, to flip what you said
SD wants to be a team that can actually get to the next level, not just a great regular season team. They want a ring and I think LT’s legs and knees are just done… not necessarily his choice.
It’s easy to say that SD is abandoning him, but in truth LT has tied their hands the last couple of years with his performance plunge. Anyone remember Shaun Alexander? The exact same situation with LT. In a year or two he may not even be in the league.
Westbrook...
I guess now that he’s officially released, he could fit into this exact same mould. He’s more of an injury risk though with his concussion history.
No-Brainer
Yeah LT is a No-Brainer… NOT to sign him!!! LOL
Forget about it, it won’t happen!!! Period, End of Story!!
I’d rather see us get Westbrook. It’s pretty clear LT just doesn’t have much left. His injury in the playoffs a couple of years ago was when he started to decline, and probably why he started to decline.
I suppose if we're playing either/or
Then yes, Westbrook would be the winner. However, I wouldn’t classify either as even a short term solution, unless your definition of short term is a fraction of a season.
If it's either/or
then stick with Ahman Green.
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