Season Reviews: Ryan Grant
While our 2009 wasn't as successful as it was for other teams, we saw enough to expect more success in 2010 and beyond. There's a lot to like about the Green Bay Packers going forward, unless of course you're cheering for the other team. But which players fit in the best? Which don't? Which ones are keepers, and which ones need to be driven out of town? It's time to look at who did well (and who didn't), and ultimately what their role will be going forward.
We actually jumped the gun on this subject way back in November, when I dove head-first into the mysterious vortex that is the Ryan Grant debate. But in the spirit of the offseason player reviews, and in light of Grant's second half improvement, the debate merits revisiting.
Let's recap: Grant was undrafted out of Notre Dame and came to the Packers via trade in 2007. His league debut featured rushing for 929 yards in 9 games and a 200+ yard outburst in the playoff victory against Seattle. Well worth the price of a 6th round pick, eh? Then, 2008 rolled around, and Grant's agent took advantage of that year's version of Favregeddon and got his client paid, but the holdout and a hamstring injury limited his pre-season training, effectively scuttling his 2008 season outlook. Sure, he still managed 1200+ yards, but only 4 touchdowns, a 3.9 ypc average, and 4 fumbles.
We figured, hey, one bad year does not ruin a productive player. And considering Grant was (and still is) one of the few running backs who accounts for the majority of his team's carries (50% in 2007, 71% in 2008, 64% in 2009), he'd certainly have enough opportunities to produce. His stats for this past season were 1253 yards with a 4.4 ypc average, 11 touchdowns, and 0 fumbles. Certainly seems productive, doesn't it?
But here's the question that we can't seem to shake: is Grant really the best back for the offense?
I did a lot of fancy-schmancy number crunching in the November article, but the conclusion I came to was one that many of you had already reached:
I'm no statistician, but even I'm shocked at how much the numbers back the argument. Ryan Grant simply isn't consistent enough to be the running back that McCarthy wants him to be. Is he effective? In certain situations, yes. But I don't think that he should be a 20+ carry workhorse; he simply isn't that kind of player.
Was it fair to make these claims with nine games remaining in the season, including a five-game winning streak, where Grant was the team's leading rusher in each game? Maybe, maybe not. But the numbers told the story as of Week 8. But what about weeks 9 through 17? Let's find out.
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The first metric involves dividing Grant's production by the number of attempts he receives. NFL running backs typically carry the ball 20 times in a game. The best way to break down a running back's production is to look at how many yards he gains on attempts 1 through 10, then how much he gains on 11 through 20, and finally anything above carry number 21.
| Attempts | Yards | Average | TDs | |
| 1-10 | 450 | 2175 | 4.8 | 15 |
| 11-20 | 306 | 1208 | 3.9 | 10 |
| 21+ | 77 | 323 | 4.2 | 1 |
Surprisingly, Grant is least effective between carries 11 and 20. Back in November, he was least successful with the highest number of carries, but a few big gains late in games help to restore both his numbers and his reputation as a big-play back. Broken down further by number of games played further shows this anomaly:
| Carries | Yards/game |
| 1-10 | 48.3 |
| 11-20 | 26.8 |
| 21+ | 7.1 |
This metric shows the same conclusion I/we reached in November:
Anytime Grant carries more than ten times, his yards gained for the second decuplet of carries is halved. Halved! For a back who's known for explosive gains throughout a game, it sure seems like he can't do much after his tenth attempt.
And what's worse? The difference between the numbers then and now is stilted even stronger towards the first section of carries: the career totals are two yards more for carries 1-10 and two yards less for carries 11-20.
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One of the most damning statistics regarding the Grant debate was how he consistently did less with more. His yards-per-game average when he received a significant share of the team's carries (between 51 and 74%) was actually higher than when his share of the carries was over 75%. In other words, he managed fewer yards despite getting more opportunities.
With the additional nine games of the 2009 season, however, these numbers become normalized. Well, as normal as a self-created metric can be. As I stated in November, I don't have an official name for it yet, but it measures Grant's production based on what percentage of the team's carries he is responsible for. I tried to quantify how well Grant performed when he received a minority of the carries (< 50%), a significant share (51-74%), and a majority (>75%).
| % of team's carries | Games | Attempts/game | Yards/game | Average/game | TDs/game |
| <50% | 6 | 7.8 | 44.3 | 5.67 | 0.33 |
| 51-74% | 23 | 16.9 | 78.0 | 4.61 | 0.56 |
| >75% | 16 | 21.5 | 84.4 | 3.92 | 0.50 |
After adding the entirety of the 2009 season, a logical progression emerges where Grant consistently puts up more numbers the more chances he gets. In November, his yards/game average in games where he accounted for more than three-quarters of the offensive carries was two yards less than where he was between 51% and 74%. That anomaly seems to have corrected itself, but one can't help but wonder why.
The short, simple answer? Signing Ahman Green. The long, extended answer? Green was signed after week 6 and didn't even play until November 1st, the day before this was published. Between weeks 8 and 17, Green played in six games, averaging 6.5 carries and 26.5 yards per game. Paired with a back who has potential for explosive gains but can't produce effectively with too many carries, the combination of Ahman Green's relative health and veteran experience (along with the complete nonfactor that is Brandon Jackson) was the perfect elixer for what ailed the Packers' run offense.
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It's obvious that the correllation between Ahman Green's return and Ryan Grant's newfound effectiveness after week 8 is more than just coincidence. Grant could shine as a complimentary back. He is above-average as a workhorse. But in a setup where the offense only needs to run the ball 25 times and Grant is only counted on for (about) 16 of those carries, he can be extremely effective. He might never be a 100-yards-a-game guy...but he doesn't have to be.
Obviously, with a passing attack as potent as Green Bay has, it would be nice for the number one running back to be a credible receiving threat. Grant is servicable in the pass-catching department, but he's nothing to write home about. This flaw in his game is one of the driving forces behind fan-led pushes to sign players like LaDanian Tomlinson or Brian Westbrook, who excelled at catching passes.
In my opinion, a pass-catching running back is so much lower on the priority list that it doesn't even register. With two solid receivers starting with two developing ones backing them up and two very good tight ends (one of whom might be special), and all in an offense that promotes short-range passes to produce YAC, what are you going to do with a RB? Unless you can fix the problem that plagues the Packers' screen plays (which have been downright woeful for a while), it's not necessary. A back in this offense needs to run hard, make quick cuts, and move the chains. That's about it. Ryan Grant can do that...as long as he's not all by himself.
But unfortunately for him, the season reviews are all about individuals. So, dear readers...
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Very interesting analysis! Thanks.
I’ve never been a Grant guy. I can be won over…I wasn’t a Rodgers guy but he won me over. Grant has gained a LITTLE respect in that he’s been a pretty good back and hasn’t turned the ball over but that is like being happy with a B- in school. Sure its better than average and it might keep your parents off your back but honestly you could do much better. Another analogy would be having 15 chochkies on your shirt when they require 14. Sure you exceeded their requirement but you aren’t really impressing the boss!
He is serviceable. As the game goes on, when you are a winning team, you need a back that is going to get BETTER not worse. Running becomes MORE important as the game goes on as you need to wear down defenses and run the clock but he seems to get worse and might actually get worn down by the defense. I think those numbers were damning of him. When Ahman Green and Jackson start showing you up later in games you know something isn’t going well. I don’t want to see us going after LT or Westbrook…different reason on each but I do think its time to bring in some fresh blood at RB. Not someone who will neccessarily replace him but someone that can take 40-50 % of the carries and provide a spark on 3rd downs and later in games. Green is a filler at this point and he’ll be waiting for us if we don’t manage this, but honestly we can and MUST do better.
I HAVE been a Grant guy, despite his background from Notre Dame
Mabye what we need is to bring in someone like Brian Westbrook who is a deadly guy in the open field to help RG by getting the occasional carry. Brandon Jackson was as visible as glare ice; he wasn’t producing when the team needed him to step up.
My thought is that the Packers should trade Jackson and pick up Westbrook if they can for a good salary. Westbrook might be willing to take the chance to play for GB, and that opens up all sorts of doors the Packers will open and close during Free Agency.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 24, 2010 3:33 PM CST reply actions
"Brian Westbrook who is a deadly guy in the open field"
As long as he doesn’t get tackled, then he’s a deadly bench warmer, if he knows where the bench is. But hey, if you think Westbrook can rip off a TD every touch then I say bring him in.
OUCH!
Brandon Jackson would have warmed up the bench nicely with all his contributions (or lack thereof), but I think he forgot how…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 25, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
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the same people that say we can do better than grant are the same ones that think that hawk is a better than average LB.
pretty laughable. i’ll take a team full of ryan grants over a team full of a.j. hawk’s.
I’ll take neither. A team full of Grants = 7-9 to 8-8 seasons and a team full of Hawks = 5-12 to 6-10 seasons.
If you don’t think we could do better then Grant then that is laughable. And I’m not talking like the only guys who could do better then him are AP and Chris Johnson. It would be fairly easy to do better the Grant. He is so inconsistent. When he actually runs like he is an NFL Rb and breaks some tackles he is good but when he gets up ended consistently by Cb’s (which happens much more often then him running hard) he is just an average guy.
Mitchell’s analysis really shows Grant’s worth and abilities. He would be a good change of pace back but he just isn’t anything more then an average starting Rb in the NFL. Our zone blocking scheme requires a Rb who can make quick cuts, has good vision, and can get upfield in a hurry and Grant does none of those well. When the hole is there and he can go 3-4 strides before a defender makes first contact he is fine but the problem is that just isn’t going to happen.
I don’t think we’ll do anything this offseason to upgrade him which I’m fine with because we have other greater needs. I do hope we bring in a 3rd down back to compliment our running game though. Could go a long way for us.
by packallday555 on Feb 24, 2010 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
Grant can be great; use him wisely
Similar analyses are being made about Adrian Peterson, some doubting if he is most effective as a workhorse. The breakaway threats that runners like Grant and Peterson pose forces defenses to cheat in ways they would rather not. There may be some truth to idea that overuse of a back can diminish that threat. Grant’s second half surge was encouraging.
Grant is no Peterson. But, what a find. Someone on the Packers was on the ball. Undrafted, brought in for a 6th rounder. Incredible.
Grant is not a breakaway threat by any means. Unless of course he has a hole a freight truck could fit through.
Grant was a good find for sure but just isn’t all that special of a back.
by packallday555 on Feb 24, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Grant is NO where near the breakaway threat the Peterson is. There is NO comparison between the two…lets not even flatter him by going there. YOu are right though, for the cost of a 6th rounder, he was a nice find. Another feather in Thompson’s cap I guess. Lets just not make him out to be more than he is though…
grant/hawk
hawk is NO where near the playmaker on defense as demeco ryans is. there is NO comparison between the two. lets not even flatter him by going there, YOu are right though, for the cost of the 5th overall pickhe was a bad find, not exactly another feather in thompsons cap i guess. lets just not make him out to be more than he is though.
See here’s the thing…my response was directly in response to someone who said the words “similar analysis are being made about Adrian Peterson” which is ridiculous. The he stated “The breakaway threats that runners like Grant and Peterson” as if to say that they are both breakaway threats in the same way which they are not even close. Grant does NOT have breakaway speed. At all.
You post was a waste of 30 seconds to read.
hermitcrab/packallday555
hermitcrab is NO where near the blog poster as packallday555 is. there is NO comparison between the two. lets not even flatter him by going there, You are right though, for the cost of nothing he was a bad find, not exactly another feather in Brandon’s cap i guess. lets just not make him out to be more than he is though.
Ryan Grant is SOLID!
You try to run behind Colledge & Barbre… LOL… Grant is not WALTER PEYTON… He’s Ryan Grant… Solid 1,200 yard rusher… Now… Do we need someone to help him out… YES!!!!! L.T. Just said all the right things at his press conference… If TT could get him in the 3rd wave of FA… Fairly cheap… I say go for it… I feel if L.T. has a change of scenery… and we get our OL sorted out… I think he’s got at least 2 years left… (He said… 4 YEARS!)
L.T. is a class act… Mark my words… I think he’d be a great addition to pair with GRANT!!
GO PACK!!!!!
This year showed
When Grant was used in the trio of Green/Jackson/Grant he seemed more effective though in part when looking back at the games John Kuhn opened up a few 20+ yard holes like in the Bears game and Quinn Johnson seems very dependable to lead the way as a Fullback, I don’t think Grant has anything up his sleeve though this year proved he can be a good workhorse and role player.
Good Back
Grant is a good running back. Nothing special, but decent power and speed. I disagree that a receiving back couldn’t be helpful to this offense though. Remember the 9ers of the 80s and Greatest Show on Turf Rams? Receiving backs helped to make those offenses special…
Supplement, not replacement
Ryan Grant is a good back. That his yards-per-carry is lower later in the game could be explained by the fact that the Packers are a passing team. When he gets 20+ carries a game, it usually means that the Packers are in control and trying to run out the clock. The opposing defense knows it’s a run and have the line stacked.
It seems that some people would like to completely replace Grant, calling for an upgrade. We all know that the Packers’ real needs to be a Super Bowl team are OT, CB, pass rusher, KR/PR, punter. Trading up for a RB, or signing an expensive FA could actually hurt future chances. (Either giving away too much, or paying too much and having to let other key players go.)
What we could use is a speed back, who can catch the ball out of the backfield. A RB, who can take a dump off, screen, short flat for 30 yards, will keep the LBs honest and reduce some of the pressure on Rodgers.
Grant Review
Interesting stats but you almost totally ignore an important element to all those stats. The O-line. Creating running lanes was the last thing on their minds after having every D-line run through them play after play.
So was he wearing down after 10 carries or does that stat point to the O-line wearing down. Hmmm…
Or maybe play calling predictable?
I can understand that Grant doesn’t blow you away with any one attribute but as a package I think he is slightly under rated.
He seems to be going forward. I like that in a back. I’ve watched too many of these guys not know how important that is.
And 1200+ yards IS a good year.
Lastly what are the options here? Do you think a running back is the highest priority on this team now? I hope not an not where they’re drafting this year.
He does everything McCarthy asks. Maybe he needs to ask for more.
by ProfessionalGrade on Feb 24, 2010 10:03 PM CST reply actions
Sherman vs. MM? Is that who I have to choose from?
Well I’d rather have neither, I think they are both average coaches, but if I had to choose I think I’d go with what we have…maybe. I was NOT a Sherman fan, but I think it was more due to his bad job as a GM than it was him as a coach. Unfortunately he was both so I kind of meld them together in my analysis. I don’t love McCarthy, he’s decent…far from great, but not terrible. I think we could do better but I fear that we could do worse! haha
I think Sherman’s offense was more unpredictable and maybe more exciting too…but I don’t know how much of that was the Favre factor.
I'd say I prefer McCarthy by a slim margin
I completely disagree about Sherman’s offense though. It seemed really standard issue but it was very effective so you couldn’t really complain. Still though, I think McCarthy does a lot more interesting and creative things on offense. The problem with evaluating both of them is that it’s hard to evaluate how good they are because they always had more than enough talent.
by Donald Driver on Feb 25, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
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Grant confuses me. He’s a top 10 back but really isn’t good at anything. He’s not really fast, he’s not really strong, he doesn’t break tackles or catch the ball particularly well. He’s had his share of injuries, he’s inconsistant and he’s all in all not very impressive.
What he does do is break a big game once every other game, rarely fumbles, and he gets 80 yards a game give or take 30 yards. I’m happy with him, I guess. Ehh, he’s best back we’ve had since Ahman Green, but then again, before that the best back we’d had since Ahman Green was Samkon Gado.
Good at everything, great at nothing
I’d say your comments are right on.
I’d simply add that while Grant is not a speed demon, he’s got good speed. He can run away from a LB and it’s not easy for a DB to catch him when he breaks one.
He’s not a power back, like Brandon Jacobs or Marion Barber, but he can usually get an extra yard or so after getting hit, and even occasionally break a tackle.
He doesn’t have great hands, and he doesn’t catch the ball and turn it up field quickly for big gains, but he can usually catch the ball and pick up 5-10 yards.
He can’t cut on dime like Barry Sanders, Walter Payton or Chris Johnson, but he makes the first cut and finds the hole pretty regularly.
While Grant doesn’t have any great strengths (other than not fumbling last year), he doesn’t have any great weaknesses either. As a QB he might be like a Bob Griese or Trent Green; someone who gets things done, but doesn’t do anything outstanding to do it. You wouldn’t want to depend upon Grant to build your team around, anymore than the Dolphins or Chiefs were built around Griese or Green. But doing everything well, all added together, makes for a pretty solid back.
by MikeDB on Feb 25, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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Grant is serviceable. I’d like to see his conversion rate on second and 2 or less and 3rd and two or less. He’s a top ten back in yards, but he’s also one of the ever-shrinking number of backs who gets a great majority of his team’s carries. Grant is a huge liability in the passing game, both in receiving and blitz pick up. One huge plus for Grant is that he doesn’t put the ball on the ground.
While everyone would pick Adrian Peterson over Grant, Grant’s stats this season stacked up well to Peterson. Both had 4.4 yards per carry. Grant had as many 20+ yard carries, and only one fewer 40+ runs. Peterson had 7 fumbles to Grant’s 1.
Rushing wise, Peterson had a HUGE down season. If you compare the two you can’t compare Grant this year to Peterson this year…you have to compare the full body of work. Also you pointed out a few areas where they are close (still speaking about THIS year only) but didn’t really hit on other important stats: TDs (18 to 11 on the ground), receiving yards (436 to about 200), etc.
Grant DOES have a big plus about not fumbling…though he DID have 4 the previous year. We’ll count that year as a fluke though.
Grants Ok
I think he needs to work on his field of vision, I cant remember how many times i seen him run into the backs of the OL. The ideal role to me is Grant would be a great back up your #1 RB should be on the field at all times, not taking off on pass plays. This makes the offense more predictable unless you add a speed back with Grant but he don’t fumble a lot big plus for me.

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