Rumorville- Marshawn Lynch
by Jabooty on Mar 10, 2010 10:51 AM CST
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Rumor Is, Marshawn Lynch, 2007 12th overall pick, is available for a fourth round pick. If any of you followed the draft in 2007, you will probably recall a strong following of Packer fans for HB Marshawn Lynch from the University of California. We all had our hopes on him, but Buffalo drafted him and we ended up getting DT Justin Harrell. Well guys, Lynch is available for taking. Buffalo is apparently asking for a 4th Round Pick for Marshawn Lynch. You can see the stats below, and that is behind a pretty bad offensive line. I'm not sure if he's worth it or not because he does have off field issues, but he is a proven back and he's still young yet which is very important.
| Season | Team | Games | Rushing | Receiving | Fumbles | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| G | GS | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Rec | Yds | Avg | Long | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| TOTAL | 650 | 2,601 | -- | 56 | 17 | 93 | 663 | -- | 42 | 1 | 7 | 3 |
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| 2009 | BUF | 13 | 6 | 120 | 450 | 3.8 | 47 | 2 | 28 | 179 | 6.4 | 35 | 0 | 3 | 1 |
| 2008 | BUF | 15 | 15 | 250 | 1,036 | 4.1 | 50 | 8 | 47 | 300 | 6.4 | 42 | 1 | 2 | 1 |
| 2007%3loop-even ">6.4 | 35 | 0 | 3 | 1 | |||||||||||
| 2008 | BUF | 15 | 15 | 250 | 1,036 | 4.1 | 50 | 8 | 47 | 300 | 6.4 | 42 | 1 | 2 | 1 |
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He is will be a great player if he can stay out of jail….that being said maybe being in a smaller City like Green Bay would do him good and calm him down. For a 4th round pick he is worth it however he seems more like a Jerry Jones special than a Ted Thompson trade.
by greenbay packers backer on Mar 10, 2010 11:23 AM CST reply actions
LMAO ~ : ) Another Good One Crabby!!
I’ll pass… Want quality people who care about their team mates and the community… I’d rather have an OLD L.T… Just because of his character!
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by Bird Dog Uni on Mar 10, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Praising LT's character?
You are kidding, right? He pouts more than a 4 yr old and hasn’t been a real supportive team mate.
Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?
by BleedsbluinMI on Mar 11, 2010 8:26 AM CST up reply actions
You would prefer the pouting,
The sitting out each important game due to injury? Seriously?
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
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by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 11, 2010 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
This is a good debate
At the moment, I don’t have a stance, so maybe somebody could persuade me. I just wanted to let you all know this recently came up.
Like Bird Dog mentioned, he has character issues and issues off the field. On the other hand though, he is a very talented back and would fit in well with Green Bay. So, is he worth it?
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
i would say it would be a good pick up because having lynch and grant as our 2 backs would be awesome but he does have off field issues that need to be solved then again woodson had some before coming to green bay and they went away so im sure with the right people around him he could to as much as i like lynch he is the same kinda running back as grant the pound it in no real burs and thats what we need is the speed back so i would hav eto say no
by Adam Tarasievich on Mar 10, 2010 1:57 PM CST reply actions
Personnally ~ I would rather draft... There are plenty of good 4th round backs! Per Mike Mayock!
I would rather draft a young, smart, High Character guy… He would cost us a 4th Round Pick anyway… and I think if the scouts do their Home Work… They can find us a guy who would make a GREAT PACKER… and not a future headache! Someone who wouldn’t mind playing special teams as a rookie… a guy that isn’t going to go out and make the STUPID off the field mistakes that ML does! Just my opinion!
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He does bring a 3rd down back type of play ability but he wouldn’t be happy here in a timeshare (I don’t think). That is basically what happened in buffalo and it didn’t seem to work out. While I think he could bring something good to the team, the risk is higher than the reward so I might just pass. What a shame, so much potential! Is Buffalo now the place young RBs go to die? Look at their last three drafted starters…
Looks like I’ll be in the minority here but I would trade a 4th round pick for Lynch is a second. Yeah, he’s got the character issues but I don’t think that means we should stay away from him. There is no denying he is a really talented back and better then Grant, IMO. He runs better then Grant, and also can pick up blitzes and catch passes out of the backfield. I remember in 2007 it was rumored that if Lynch fell to us in the draft that we were going to take him but obviously that didn’t happen. Anyways, picking him up makes instantly would make our team better.
$20 and a bag of chips
That’s all I would give up for him. I’ve followed Lynch mostly cause there was a strong contingent of fans pushing for him, and besides one good year he’s not done much besides nearly get kicked out of the league
Sorry ~ I really have to disagree ~ Lynch's stats aren't even as good as Grant's!
How many games has he missed due to suspensions? I would so much rather draft a guy like Toby Gerhart… Fast, Powerful, NOSE FOR THE ENDZONE… and a class act!
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This may be hard to believe, but Lynch has been playing behind a worse OL for the past 3 years. This past season may be an exception, but not by much. On top of that, when teams gameplan to stop our offense, they gameplan to stop Aaron Rodgers and the passing attack. When teams gameplan to stop Buffalo’s offense, they gameplan to stop Lynch because they know Buffalo doesn’t have a capable QB to rely on. That’s a huge difference! Stats can be deceiving.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Exactly. Lynch is a really talented guy who shot himself in the foot by doing some stupid things. Because of those things he never really got a chance this year. If he got the carries he would definitely be productive, and is a much better fit for our offense then any of our other Rb’s.
by packallday555 on Mar 10, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Actually that was Burress that shot himself in the foot! haha I wouldn’t put it past Lynch though! ;-)
Sure he could be great…that is what everyone has said about him but he just hasn’t been. He’s just a poor character guy who will always let you down I think…
Haha I was wondering if anybody was going to say anything about Plax in reference to the shooting him self in the foot comment :)!
You could very well be right about Lynch. The reason I like him is just cause I know he isn’t going to disappoint on the field. That’s not necessarily everything though!
by packallday555 on Mar 11, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
Stats don’t say much. Think about our offense compared to Buffalo’s since 2007..not really a comparison. All the Bills had was a running game, and that was with a pretty weak OL. Grant played in pretty high powered offenses in 2007-09 (2nd in 2007, 7th in 2008, and 5th in 2009.). In comparison the Bills ranked 30th in 2007, 25th in 2008, and 30th in 2009, with virtually no passing game all 3 years.
Watching Grant play it’s pretty obvious he really isn’t much above average as a player. He has mediocre speed, mediocore quickness, can’t block or catch passes. And the two things he is supposed to be, which is a power back and a good one cut back, are two more things he does pretty mediocorely. And in addition to that he NEVER falls forward and has poor vision. Obviously I can’t say for sure but I would bet my life that if we gave Brandon Jackson the same amount of carries we gave Grant this past year he would put up the exact same stats as Grant.
by packallday555 on Mar 10, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
grant and hawk
sound like the same playe, but one plays offense and the other defense. your feelings about grant are the way i feel about hawk. hawk does nothing great or even good. he can’t shed blocks, he doesn’t play downhill, he looks loike he’s running with hip boots on, he’s a liability in pass coverage and is way overpaid. plus, imo Bishop, given the same amt of snaps could do the same job if not better than hawk.
Totally agree. I have a feeling we will see either Chillar or Bishop get a chance this year to play more of a starting role…at least I hope.
by packallday555 on Mar 10, 2010 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
Well of course they're not as good as Grants stats,
whether you people want to man up and admit to it or not, Ryan Grant is a top 10 NFL back. His stats speak for themselves. Lynch may be a nice pickup as a powerful 3rd down guy, but he’s not worth a 4th rounder. Id say something like a 6th round pick.
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If you look at stats maybe Grant is top 10 but if your judging them by talent then there is no way. I’d take Chris Johnson, AP, Steven Jackson, Jones-Drew, Michael Turner, Ray Rice, Cedric Benson, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathon Stewart, Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Frank Gore, Rashard Mendenhall, Marion Barber, Pierre Thomas, Fred Jackson, Marshawn Lynch, Thomas Jones, Brandon Jacobs, and Ahmad Bradshaw over Grant any day. Plus, probably some young guys like Felix Jones, LeSean McCoy, Beanie Wells, and Shonn Greene over him as well.
In the first list that’s 19 guys who talent wise are probably definitely better then Grant, and if you included the young guys list that’s 23 guys better then Grant.
Grant’s stats are merely a product of a system. The fact is the only times he broke long runs was when he had a hole the size Texas to run through and he piled up a lot of his yards at the end of games that we were winning pretty handedly! Another thing about Grant is he never shows up until the last weeks of the season.
Lynch has legal issues but also has serious talent. He is only 24, and if he came here and could get his life straight like others have, he would be our starting Rb for years to come. Think about how big of a steal that could be if we only gave up a 4th round pick.
by packallday555 on Mar 11, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Thompson
This seems to me to be the kind of thing Thompson could pull the trigger on. If I’m Thompson, I wanna talk to him in person. Ask him straight if he can be Grants backup for another year or two and be a good teammate… And ask him if he is committed to becoming a better person. Look him in the eye and if he can look you in the eye and say he can, then go ahead and pull the trigger.
If Thompson was as interesed in Lynch prior to that draft as it seemed, then he might take the chance. None of us really know Thompsons thoughts of Lynch. Speculation was rampant the packers wanted him, but if was speculation, nothing more from what I could tell.
Pretty much my exact feelings on it. I mean I certainly don’t think it’s something he just shoot down right away just because of his past issues. If he does have any interest in him then talking to him would be something that TT needed to do. If he doesn’t like how the talk goes then fine but if there is or was any interest I would hope TT wouldn’t just simply say no because of past issues.
by packallday555 on Mar 11, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
eh…I wouldn’t take Lynch, Benson, Jones, and honestly maybe not even Barber (at least not the current one) over Grant. The rest of the list is pretty good. That puts him in the top 15 range which means he’s quite average.
I can understand not taking Jones over him but why not Benson, Jones, or Barber? Just curious.
by packallday555 on Mar 11, 2010 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Benson has had ONE good year and like what 3-4 AWFUL ones. I am not sold that he’s able to continue it but it was a fab year that he had. Barber is already showing signs of his battering ram style…his best years are WAY behind him already in my opinion. I haven’t been that impressed with him as a back to carry the full load. He’s a thunder to someone’s lightning at best. Thomas Jones is old…sure he had a great year last year but honestly how many more of those are in him? Maybe 1?? I wouldn’t give up our average back for one slightly better season.
Fair points. Honestly, I just think Benson’s struggles were just a result of being in Chicago. He had a good last half of the year in 2008, and like Grant in 2007 everyone was pretty interested to see if he could put a full year together, and he certainly was able too.
I see what your saying about Barber and Jones. I think I’d personally take Benson and Barber over Grant at this point but probably not Jones.
by packallday555 on Mar 13, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
4th rnd pick
if teddy isn’t going to give up a 4th round pick for moss, why would anyone believe he would give a 4th round pick up for lynch. he has bigger off-field issues than moss ever had….
true
but lets be honest, ask woodson if the raiders are a good organization to play for.
remember, woodson only had 2 teams after him in free agency, us and the browns. he chose us because we offered him more money, it was as simple as that. losing can’t be fun for a couple great football players, so they BOTH tanked the last couple years to get out of a bad situation. it seems it worked out for the both of them to get out of purgatory which is the raiders.
Lets not pretend...
that those were the only issues Moss had. He was known for taking plays off in MN too. He also ran over a crossing guard here in downtown Minneapolis and was known for just being kind of a prick at times. Its not like him sucking in Otown was a one time deal for him. I am still not convinced that Woodson tanked out of Oakland. He was injured quite a bit…I don’t see how tanking your way out of a paycheck makes any sense. If anything he showed its a poor decision as it makes you end up in a boring place like Green Bay! haha
please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
except reality——————-woodsoon came here for the contract,, thats it -——-do the math,
that was kind of my point. He played like crap and basically he was left with GB as an option as the only place that would give him a nice deal.
My point was that in Oakland, Woodson was getting HUGE money, why would he tank? He couldn’t be franchised again (it was his second time) so why tank it again, it was his year to make his BIG contract finally.
Woodson played well in Oakland actually
The problem was he was injured frequently and took his pay for granted. He wasn’t on the field as often as the team would have hoped and he was often late for practice…even a couple games. When he hit the Free Agent market, nobody really wanted him because he was supposedly an injury prone locker room cancer. All he really cared about was partying. Well, Woodson sought to prove everybody wrong while playing for Green Bay. Since coming to GB, he kept his mouth shut and just played football. He doesn’t party anymore either or at least he hasn’t been caught.
He came here though because he didn’t have any other option as already mentioned. He didn’t come here because it was Green Bay, he came here because he wanted to prove his critics wrong and continue to play football.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
We’ll keep Ted if you guys keep Chilly.
by packallday555 on Mar 10, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds a ok to me! It’s going to be fun to see Chilly run your offense again after the Favre era.
by packallday555 on Mar 10, 2010 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
Kind of similar to the...
what seemed to be 10 some years of the Queens not winning the NFC North and never ever winning the Super Bowl?
Now, a joke…what is funnier, the fact that the New Orleans Saints now have a better history than the Minnesota Vikings or the joke they call a football team in Minnesota?
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Karen couldn't make you guys win the Super Bowl
Even if you had the best players in Franchise Mode on Madden.
Just sayin’.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 11, 2010 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
It’s funny that the whole not signing Moss thing still gets brought up. It’s like people don’t realize all 30 of the other NFL teams passed on Moss too..The only reason it gets brought up with us is because our former GM..oops, I mean Qb Brett Favre wanted to get him.
by packallday555 on Mar 10, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
So what? Our offense still went on to be #2 in the league that year. WR was the least of our needs. Especially one with the history Moss has, along with his 2 horrible years with the Raiders. It’s just silly that people try and use not trading for Moss as a knock on TT.
by packallday555 on Mar 10, 2010 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
would've been #1 with Moss
Favre with Driver/Jennings/Moss. It’s almost laughable how good that offense could have been in 2007. I know we’ve had this debate before, but I still think Moss would have gotten you over the hump to win the super bowl that year.
There's no way to tell if Jennings would have developed though
2007 was Jennings break out year. Adding in Moss, in which would be Favre’s only target, then Jennings may not have developed. In addition, because Favre would have such a huge hard on for Moss, he would have costed us another chance of the Lombardi as defenses would catch on.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
oh yeah you're right
Favre doesn’t spread the ball around at all….All you have to do is look what he did to our WR’s and TE this year to figure that one out.
Yep, he accomplished quite a bit too
That Lombardi Trophy he brought you looks good in MN…oh, wait…..
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
He does but Jennings would have been the #3 WR had we signed Moss. There probably isn’t a guy that spreads the ball around better then Favre but as the #3 target your only going to get so many chances.
by packallday555 on Mar 10, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but that was more so due to his play on kick returns. The argument could also be made that Moss and Driver would have formed a much better duo then Rice and Berrian did, which is something you have to take into account.
by packallday555 on Mar 11, 2010 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
The argument could also be made that defenses would have played Moss and Driver tougher, thus leaving more opportunities for Jennings.
Or that once Jennings had stepped up,
Driver could have gotten open more easily.
Ah well, … it’s all in the past….
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 11, 2010 12:55 AM CST up reply actions
I suppose but when Moss is playing at his highest level a double team can’t cover him, and you really for the most part only can double one WR. I don’t know it’s all in the past now. I’m sure Moss would have made us better just like he would have done for nearly any team but again, we had a really good WR corps and a really good offense. So it’s hard to look at not signing him as the reason we didn’t win the SB.
by packallday555 on Mar 11, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, he does that.
He also tries too hard in the critical spots. I still laugh hearing “THIS IS NOT DETROIT, MAN, THIS IS THE SUPER BOWL!”
Nice Lombardi Trophy you got there … oh hang on a second, there’s been a reversal….
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 11, 2010 12:57 AM CST up reply actions
Slam! *give me a sec to wipe the tears off my face*
Ok I feel better now…
I have to admit I can now laugh about that detroit line…
Possible ya but can you really ask for more then the #2 offense in the league? It’s hard to find one weakness that offense had in 2007, and to go along with that we had what was a top 10 defense in the league.
We were definitely a top tier team in 2007, and I think it could be argued that we were already above that hump.
by packallday555 on Mar 10, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
I understand that but when I hear someone talking about a team finally making it over that hump I guess I perceive that hump being kind of the border that seperates really good teams and elite teams. Sorry, I probably should have stated that in my post.
by packallday555 on Mar 11, 2010 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
...and it's too big for Minnesota to climb up.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 11, 2010 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
Does anyone remember one of our trade offers for Moss?
Aaron Rodgers for Randy Moss. Yeah, you still wish that went down?
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Uh, I'm kind of glad that didn't happen.
Who knows where we’d be now if that one had gone through. Who would be our QB? Our old GM, er, QB would still be gone.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 11, 2010 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
Thug Alert!
TT won’t bite on this. Foxsports.com reports ML’s 2009 salary at $2,635,770. A 4th-rounder will undoubtedly be a lot cheaper with less chance of blowing up in our face. Yeah, Woodson turned the corner by coming to Green Bay. But he was the exception, NOT the rule.
Plus Koren Robinson
He behaved while in Green Bay.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Robinson was no Lynch
Robinson had a huge drinking problem and only behaved after he stopped drinking. Coming to Green Bay was the secondary reason.
Lynch has a long rap sheet of run-ins with the law that varies from drugs to guns to hit and run to (supposed) assault on his girlfiend. What if? What if instead of turning the corner in Green bay, he brings along his entourage and taints the existing feel-good situation? We don’t need a Pacman Jones on our hands.
memo to self
please refrain from bringing up the receiver that used to play for the vikes, raiders and is currently playing for the patriots.it seems to have started a border war.
It's okay.
dsludo has been bashing the Packers ever since he first came over here from DN. It’s not you. He must have seen you mention said receiver, and decided to get his two cents in.
He trolled here every time the Packers lost last year, and took a shot at me on the Chicago Bears’ blog too.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 11, 2010 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
Where did I bash your beloved Packers?
trolled every time the Packers lost? I’m calling you out on that one. But whatever say what you want.
Just because you don't remember it now
Doesn’t mean you didn’t do it.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 8:02 AM CST up reply actions
Lynch the player, yes
Lynch the person, hellz no. Guy is a severe POS whose personal life is ruining his career. I’m all for acquiring talent but this guy is too much trouble.
meh
Lynch has some miles on him now and definitely has an attitude problem (though playing for the Bills over the last decade would do that to anybody). I see no reason why we’d want to invest a 4th rounder on a guy with a sizable contract. There may not be clearly better out there, but that’s a pretty hefty investment on a guy who’s no better than our current starter and doesn’t seem well suited to a backup role.
Were he a FA pickup, I’d think about it. But given the risks and financial investment required, I’d give no higher than a 6th in a trade.
point taken
I guess I’m just leery of a workhorse-type back playing behind a shoddy o-line – more of a wear and tear issue than an overall mileage issue. I clearly could have chosen my words better.
I'd have no problem getting Lynch for a 4th round pick,
but I think Lynch will be a Charger by April.
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