Making The Case Against Mark Tauscher
by Brandon on Mar 16, 2010 7:00 AM CDT
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Everyone here seemed supportive of the news that the Green Bay Packers signed RT Mark Tauscher. But Greg Bedard makes three points against it:
1. It's a myth Tauscher spurred Packers' offensive turnaround
2. Should be able to replace performance level
3. The big one: It's past time to move on
Those are all good points.
I don't know if it's a full-fledged myth that he spurred their offensive turnaround, but I agree that he didn't turn them into a great offense all by himself. The second point is his best point: RT Allen Barbre was so bad that anyone would have been a major improvement.
His third point is the trouble. While OL T.J. Lang is good enough to start, there is no one behind him. See Greg's depth chart here. I want LG Daryn Colledge gone, so OL Jason Spitz moves into the starting left guard spot. Then if Lang starts, it leaves three guys (Barbre, RT Breno Giacomini, C Evan Dietrich-Smith) who should be battling for their roster spot lives. They could draft someone, but draft choices don't always work out, and they certainly know what they're getting with Tauscher. Lang should be the top backup, and he's certain to get some playing time based on all the injuries they played through last season.
NFL Mock Draft point: While most mock drafts have the Packers selecting an offensive lineman at No. 23 overall, signing Tauscher has to eliminate that thinking. Any lineman drafted would start the season no better than 7th on the depth chart, and he shouldn't be needed in 2011 either because LT Chad Clifton and Tauscher just signed for multiple years. Drafting an offensive lineman high also seems misguided when the top remaining priority should be finding a pass rusher to replace LB Aaron Kampman and to complement LB Clay Matthews. LB Brad Jones is a good pass rusher, but he's not someone who would ever demand a double team.
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If you don't draft, and don't sign anyone during FA, then you're stuck with the same guy
Yes, draft choices don’t always work out, but neither does bringing in a FA. Your arguments against a draft pick can equally be applied to a FA.
So let’s call a spade a spade. The O-Line is going to suck once again UNLESS we draft and find a hidden gem. After the first week people will be putting up the “How many games does Aaron last” polls and the “Ted Thompson murders puppies” fan posts.
The problem is that we know what we’re getting with Tauscher. And I have very large doubts that it gets us past the second round of the playoffs at best.
REALLY??? Did you write this just for me? lol
1st off ~ Tauscher came back from a major knee injury and DID save the Packers from another 10 + sacks…
2nd ~ While we SHOULD be able to replace performance… We COULDN’T… because none of our back-ups could STEP UP…!!
3rd ~ While it may be PAST TIME to move on… We were left with little to NO OPTIONS, but to bring Mark Tauscher back!
Now ~ What do we do about it? 1st the MISGUIDED thinking that we can’t draft OLine because we signed these guys to multi year deals is Stupid! How many years did Brent have left on his contract when we drafted Aaron? How many WR’s did we have when we drafted JORDY???
LT ~ CLIF – LG ~ LANG – C ~ SPITZ – RG ~ SITTON – RT ~ TAUSCHER
If this is our starting line-up who do we have for Quality, PROVEN DEPTH??? I’ll tell you…
Scott Wells @ Center and that is it!
Unless you think D. Colledge is aquality LG back-up… or Allan Barbre is a Quality RG back-up … or Breno G. is a Quality RT back-up… LMAO…
Best case scenario… All three of these guys come back and are good enough to play behind our starters! Which wasn’t the case last year!! IMHO…
Even if that’s the case… We still need a QUALITY LT BACK-UP if Clif goes down! Now maybe TT thinks he can get away with College, Barbre, & Breno as back-ups the whole year… and maybe Smith can contribute…??? I can’t imagine after last year he does…
But I can still see TT drafting at the very least 2 OLinemen this year! Maybe not in the 1st if he doesn’t think he’s getting 1st round talent… but, if He doesn’t draft at least one LT prospect… and maybe a RT prospect like Kyle Calloway from Iowa…
His days are probably numbered… Unless by some miracle… he’s got a couple guys that are going to go UNDRAFTED and he knows they can do the job… & How could he possibly know that?
I’m not near as worried about our Line as I was a WEEK ago… but, there is no DOUBT about it… We need 2 guys in the fold to replace Clifton and Tauscher… and I personally don’t think those guys are on the roster at this time! I bet they are after the Draft though! : )
Go Pack!!
by BirdDogUni on Mar 16, 2010 8:32 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
took myself
1 snickers bar to read that entire rant BirdDog. lol, seriously though, the article was basically about thompsons inability to draft o-lineman and the inability of the coaches to get these guys ready. i also believe the pack will draft 2 OT’s early in this draft. 1 in the 2nd and the other in the 4th.
just because cliffy signed a 3 year deal, doesn’t mean he’ll be here for 3 years, afterall he’s only gauranteed 7.5 million the first year, so that tells me that he may be 1 and done. that also depends on thompson drafting his replacement in the 1st 2 rounds..
@ Crab: Sorry Dude.... LMAO... You know how I feel about the O-Line... : )
As an OLD QB… I have been on both ends… My HS LINE WAS AMAZING! Never got touched… My College line was worse than the Packers the 1st half of the season last year! So I’ve been on both sides… and I only played my Freshman year because of that line… Just don’t want that to happen to Aaron!
The Line is to me… as Hughes is to STROH! LMAO… : )
Go Pack!!
Line to you
Wait… The line to you is like Hughes to me?… Well hell, I LOVE Hughes!!! Does that mean you LOVE our OL?!!! LOL
Might wanna explain that a little more, since I KNOW you don’t like our OL…
For what its worth, I think Tausch and Cliffy were MUST signs… We have some issues, that cannnot be denied… BUT, I am holding out hope for them to improve alot this season. Next yr I would like to see a new LT, Lang, Spitz, Sitton, Giacomini. We’ll see if that happens or not, but either way we will likely draft 2 OL again this season. A LT and either a RT or OG.
i'm with ya
about the o-line. thompson should have found cliffy’s replacement by now instead of drafting these guys from small schools and from the 4th round and below. he has treated the o-line with indifference and by doing that he was backed into a corner and forced to sign cliffy and ttauch, so the the line could have some sort of cohesiveness. still, just like last year, 1 injury away from our OT’s being very, very, bad.
i wouldn’t count out teddy not drafting his future LT in the first round.
I agree w/ him that it doesn't make much sense to draft an OT in the 1st Round
The OT wouldn’t start for at least 3 years to replace Tauscher or 4 years to replace Clifton. Now, we do need to search for one to be a good replacement, but it isn’t worth using our top draft pick on one that may not play for a while. I did mention I liked the signing of Tauscher for insurance, but as I mentioned in one of my threads I’m not sure if it was a good signing to rebuild our OL. If anything, it may have just postponed that. I think overall though, re-signing Clifton and Tauscher bought us more time so we can address other needs. Our biggest need like he mentioned is a need for another pass rusher. If we can’t get to the QB, we will get lit up against the better teams in the league. Considering we have a very difficult schedule this year, that doesn’t look good for us.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
@ Jabooty ~ I just agreed with me on another thread... SO I might as well here... : )
IF when we pick at #23… the OT we could take is comparable to the guy we’ll get in the 2nd Round…
I say go OLB!
As long as we address the OT in the 2nd Round! Waiting until the 3rd or 4th for our LT of the Future is probably NOT a good Idea! : ) I’m all for Drafting Kyle Calloway in the 4th if he’s available… to be our RT of the FUTURE! : )
If it were my decision… I might Draft My OLB @ #23… and then Trade Colledge & Hawk to Get an additional ~ High 2nd Round Pick to get a LT that might have fallen… Wishful thinking? God I love this stuff… Can’t wait to see it all play out! : )
Go Pack!!
Oh yeah, I know where you stand on this one
You and I have the same exact feelings about this draft. Round to Round
1. OLB
2. OT
3. CB or S
4. OT or BPA
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
by Jabooty on Mar 16, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
need
i thought some here said you can’t draft for need. if you take an OLB first that would be a need pick.
some have to make up their minds and get off the fence.
you can’t push all in twice on a single hand.
lol
i wasn’t implying you… i’m all for drafting for need, but when i stated the fact i got bombarded by the “experts”.. i just won’t be surprised if thompson drafts an OT or RB. nothing will shock me after the 08 draft.
I guess it depends upon how you look at it
One could argue our biggest need is OT. It appears the experts don’t think OLB is a big need at all. When I see Mock Drafts and notice how Hughes or Kindle may be available, I feel they are the best player on the board and also fill a need at the same time.
Sorry if I come off as someone wishy washy.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Just Maybe...
Maybe TT kept Giacomini around b/c he is the long term answer at RT…and yes,
maybe TT kept him around b/c he’s stubborn about his draft picks.
Maybe they find Clifton’s replacement in a later round like Jason Fox in the 3rd round.
Maybe Lang, Colledge, Spitz and Barbre all compete for the LG position.
Maybe two of the losers at LG get traded for draft picks.
Maybe when Colledge is challenged he steps up and plays well like he did in ‘08.
Maybe TT finds a veteran LT/RT backup via trade/cut ala Earl Dotson.
Maybe Barbre shows he can be a decent backup if they leave him at one spot (RG/LG).
Maybe as we’ve seen w/ the O-Line where a week (last week to this) can make a lot of difference then w/ the draft, OTA’s, trades, cuts, and injuries the next 6 months can look a world of difference.
@ BubbaOne ~ All VERY GOOD Maybe's... : )
If I had a crystal ball… I could TELL YA! : ) But, you brought up some good points! I just can’t wait to find out! : ) lol… We do have some great possibilities… at LG, and even RG… Still think we need to come out of this Draft with SOLID LT & RT prospects! That is not the only way to ensure we have Tackle depth… but, it’s probably the best way! IMHO…
Go Pack!!
MAYBE
if the pack haven’t treated the OT position like a circus monkey, the pack wouldn’t be in this quandry.
by hermitcrab on Mar 16, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But they have, and complaining about it now does no good. I’m sure a couple of years ago TT thought he would get 4-6 more good years out of Cliff and Tausch as opposed to the 2-3 that seem to be what’s going to happen. He drafted a couple of guys at RT, one was horrible in his first chance and we’ll find out about the other soon enough. Gianconmini is actually built like a real OT as opposed to some of the other more “versatile” guys like Colledge, Barbre, or Lang. This is definitely a positive cause it just seems like the “versatile” guys don’t work.
by packallday555 on Mar 16, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Resigning Clifton and Tauscher doesn’t mean we don’t draft an offensive lineman in the first round. As others have mentioned, we still need depth as well as a starter in the near future.
But what Clifton and Tauscher really does is give Thompson more options in the first round and buys time for a lineman to be developed in a the first year if he chooses to draft another position. Without Chad or Mark, we’re basically forced to draft a lineman in the first round to increase the odds of him being able to start right away.
Agree Yumy : )
We are not LOCKED in to draft a LT @ #23 ~ Now that our starting tackles are returning it’s not the DIRE need it was a week ago…
It is… a concern to say the least…
We have NO LT Depth at all IMO… and Breno Giacomini may develop in a RT someday… but, We would be better off not counting on that and assume we still need a RT back-up…
I have faith that TT isn’t stupid and even if he’s stubborn… MM won’t let him get away from the draft without at least a couple of good prospects for the O Line!!
Go Pack!!
Totally agree
Look, we’re going to be looking at the #4 OT in the draft at best if we get one at #23. Will that guy be ready to step in a day 1? In a pinch, probably. Ideally, he’ll get a little bit of time to learn the game first and be a capable backup. This situation we have right now is exactly the one you want to be in – you know you have a need in a year or two, so you’re planning ahead so the guy you get can hit the ground running.
Arguing that a first-round pick couldn’t outperform either Tauscher or Clifton by his 2nd year, especially given the injury history of those two, is foolish. And if that happens, it still doesn’t make re-signing either of those players a mistake.
by Archibaldcrane on Mar 16, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
LT is a glaring need
There’s good talent and depth at every other O-line position, but there’s nobody behind Clifton, who has a history of injuries and is in the golden years of his career anyway.
We obviously know that they’re not going to get a LT option through free agency or trade, so that means they have to draft somebody who’s going to be able to contribute as a rookie or…
I mean, think about it. If Clifton gets hurt, who plays LT for us? I’m all for drafting a guy with upside, but to think that somebody’s not going to have to step in and play this year is not realistic. And everybody on our roster has shown themselves unable to play LT. Again, Clifton WILL miss time at some point. And, again, nobody currently on our roster can play LT.
I mean… …y’know?
by Curly Lambeau on Mar 16, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
You are sooo wrong
Mr. Greg Bedard you are so mistaken! He stabilized the line big time, With out his help they would have gone on to allow 100 sacks for the season instead of 50 some. I for one feel relief that they signed him . If nothing else to be depth at the position, until the young ones improve to handle the rush…. And as for Brad Jones, He only played a half a season, no one could no what you claim to know about him. Which says more about you then Brad Jones… My opinion ……..
Eh, we're treating Brad Jones like he's a top fifteen pick...
Uh, we very well COULD have had Maybin, and he didn’t exactly do too much last year…Is he the next Jarvis Moss? Jamal Reynoulds? Vernon Gholston?
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 16, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Jones was decent against the mediocre teams, but he was one of several defenders that got lit up by the better teams in the league. Considering we have a tougher schedule this year, that doesn’t look too good. I think with more experience he’ll come around, but as a 7th Round draftee, he is a project player. Nothing more. We can’t afford to throw him into the fire too early.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
What Tauscher did
Before Tauscher (“BT”), the offensive line had two glaring weak links: LG and RT. An offensive line coach can cover for one weak link by chipping, keeping a TE or RB in, rolling out, etc. However, when you have TWO weak links, it becomes next to impossible to design pass protection schemes. We all now accept that Colledge and Barbre just plain didn’t do the job last year, with there being only come minor debate about the relative degrees of suckage. When Tauscher returned and was able to play Barbre went to the bench, leaving only Colledge to have to help out. Schemes are available to bail out one bad offensive lineman. The premise, therefore, that Tauscher is NOT responsible for the offensive turnaround in midseason is thus simply false. Without Tauscher last year, the team would never have achieved what it did.
Ding, ding, ding we have a winner!!!
Before Tauscher ("BT"), the offensive line had two glaring weak links: LG and RT. An offensive line coach can cover for one weak link by chipping, keeping a TE or RB in, rolling out, etc. However, when you have TWO weak links, it becomes next to impossible to design pass protection schemes.
This is exactly right.
by packallday555 on Mar 16, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
And as for Brad Jones, He only played a half a season, no one could no what you claim to know about him. Which says more about you then Brad Jones… My opinion ……..
Really? The guy had 4 sacks in his 9 games played, and I don’t think he ever blew an assignment like so many other guys did for us this season. He was a 7th round draft pick, who was playing the OLB position at 240 lbs. which is like 10-20 lbs. smaller then the ideal weight for a 3-4 OLB. I think it’s pretty safe to say he is a pretty good pass rusher. I also think it’s pretty safe to say if he adds some weight, and more importantly gets some more experience, he could become a really good OLB for us. We should all keep in mind that Clay Matthews didn’t start to show all his ability until he got about 8-9 games under his belt. Which is all Jones was able to play. Anybody else think if he got to play 7 more games we would have seen improvement?
by packallday555 on Mar 16, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
geesh
Come on and have faith in TT decisions. After all he is making the moves to improve the team more and more each year. You all are skeptical beyond belief. Just give the Packer organization some time and see what happens with the draft.. I for one trust his decisions. After all he made the most impressive one letting Mr. (I run the show ) Favre go. He will do right for the team. Remember he has Mark Murphy breathing down his neck too!!! Lets not forget that!
faith?
i leave that for sundays. improvement is just an opinion, if you can actually look at it objectively, had to sell improvement until the pack actually puts 2 winning seasons in a row. right now it’s like riding a roller-coaster, up-down, up-down. no consistency.
how much more time do we give the gm and coaching staff?
that question is left up to the individual, no-ones opinion is right or wrong.
intersesting tid-bit. thompson would have to go 15-1 this year to equal shermans record as a gm after 6 years at the helm.
@Crab ~ You know I love ya CRABBIE... : ) But ~ HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YA HERE... : )
I do believe TT has made some mistakes… God knows he makes me scratch my head sometimes… That being said… I think the Packers are built for a solid run the next 4 years… I feel we are better off Financially… As long as we take care of a couple things… O Line and CB’s… age is a major factor… and it has been up and down… but, I think we’ve finally gotten over the hump as far as that goes! Even with a tough schedule this year… I for 1 expect big things from MY PACKERS!! The Defense will improve in their second year in the system… The O-line has to improve for us to be a contender… I am very optimistic about the draft… That’s why it’s so much fun discussing it! Don’t be too Crabbie : )…
If TT drafts a punter in the 1st round and a RB in the second and a QB in the 3rd and a Center in the 4th and a DT in the 5th… Then I’ll meet ya in GREEN BAY!! LMAO!
Go Pack!!
We'll see
I’m not a big proponent of drafting for need, especially when you draft late. I don’t see any position that should be off limits: If Jimmy Clausen or Colt McCoy is available when the Packers draft, they should take him. I would NEVER take a punter or a kicker in the first round, however.
Whether the Packers are poised to make a solid run over the next four years is to be seen. I have been a fan since the day I was born, but last year’s team just didn’t have me convinced. I am uneasy that the Packers fattened up during the regular season by playing the weakest schedule that I can ever remember, and while the team is not responsible for putting patsies on the schedule, the fact remains that they beat Detroit (twice), the Bears (twice), the Rams, and the Browns, who were a combined 28-68 (after the Browns went on a four-game winning streak).
And?
Your comments, complete with bad punctuation, was understood for what it was, and my comment about not drafting a punter or a kicker in the first round was, like your amusing prose, sarcastic. My point is that the team should not get locked into drafting for need.
Hey ktenreb ~ I like to think of it as OVER PUNCTUATION! : )
I sometimes use too many capital letters too! lol I hope to see ya on here more. It’s nice to talk FB with guys who aren’t afraid to say what they mean! As for drafting Colt McCoy, I absolutely love the guy. Since he played HS FB 9 miles south of my kennel, for Jim Ned, I had the chance to watch him grow up! If he is still on the board in the 3rd round, I won’t argue with TT if he picks him!
Go Pack!!
no problem
disagreement comes with opinions. everyone is entitled and their is no right or wrong. that’s why people blog, to say their opinions.
financially really wasn’t that big a factor as some would point out. 2005 we were in bad shape yes, but 2006 we were a league best 32 million under the cap already and in 07 we were a league best 21 million under the cap to start the free agent period..
thank god for fools like us, so the nfl can get those enormous tv contracts or i’m afraid little green bay wouldn’t exist in todays market. plus the tax payers in green bay had a say in it as well.
financially really wasn’t that big a factor as some would point out. 2005 we were in bad shape yes, but 2006 we were a league best 32 million under the cap already and in 07 we were a league best 21 million under the cap to start the free agent period..
..which is because of Ted Thompson. Not saying I agree with his penny pinching ways but there is no denying that he has our team in great position financially.
by packallday555 on Mar 16, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Did Ted conserve money and leave the Packers well under the cap?
Yes. Is that his job? I say no.
The way I see it, a GM’s job is to put the right roster together for the coaching staff to train and make into a winning football team. I personally don’t feel that the GM should be given any credit for the cap situation.
The ownership (or in our case, board of directors) should be the ones making the budget decisions, and the GM should be following their instructions. In Ted’s situation, I think this means either the ownership told him to be frugal and conserve money, in which case it’s the ownership that deserves any credit, or they told him he had more money to devote to player personnel than he used. If the latter is the case, then I think we should be criticizing Ted for not using all of the resources at his disposal rather than praising him. It’s either that or he couldn’t find personnel to spend the money on, in which case there should be no credit or blame at all.
"Career highlights? I had two. I got an intentional walk from Sandy Koufax and I got out of a rundown against the Mets." - Bob Uecker
jobs
The salary cap IS the budget… Or it was until this year! The GM can only sign guys if we arent over the cap. IF our roster is over the cap, we can’t sign them… Its a HARD cap. The GM’s job is to put the best team on the field w/in the constaints of the cap. Every decision made on player acquisition has a direct effect on the cap.
By building primarily thru the draft, you can manage the cap more conservatively… SInce guys working on their rookie contracts are generally paid less than vet FA…
Kind of how I was looking at things too but I can certainly see Tex’s point as well. Ownership (board of directors) deserve credit for our financial situation but I think Ted deserves some as well.
by packallday555 on Mar 16, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
not thompson
remember the last HUGE tv contract with the nfl came out that year and the teams payroll went up 30 million. it had more to do with that, remember ted spent a lot of money in 06———-brought in woodson and pickett———-resigned kampy,al harris
I'm not worried about competency
I’m worried about health.
My hope is that Clifton and Tauscher have career seasons.
My expectation is that they’ll have a slightly better season, IF they can stay healthy.
…and that’s a really big IF because they’ll be squaring off against defenses in the Bears and Lions that are committed to improving upon the pass rush. And with receiving tight ends, those outside corners are going to be a battleground.
If the Packers staff haven’t put some serious thought into adding depth at tackle… well, it’s going to be a long season.
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
"career seasons" dont come to 30 something O-linemen.
lets just hope for career average seasons and we should be fine.
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
We’re still going to draft some OT’s even with the re-signing of Cliff and Tausch…at least I hope. Just because Clifton signed for 3 years doesn’t mean he’ll be with us for that long, and for anybody that watched the guy last year it’s evident he maybe has 1 more full year left. (probably not even though) His back-up needs to be drafted this year, and really he HAS to work out. We’d better hope that TT gets over his fascination of “versatile OL” otherwise it won’t matter that we have great talent at the skill positions on offense.
At RT things aren’t as bad but they still aren’t solved by any means. Lang should be at LG not RT. Sure, he can play RT, but we should play our OL at their TRUE positions and not just plug them in where their needed. Gianconmini will get his chance this year, and who knows maybe he’ll work out. He’s had the time to develop and if he isn’t ready this year then I doubt he ever will be. I still hope we take a backup RT, even if it is in the later rounds of the draft.
Did you See Greg Bedard's O Line Depth Chart? LMAO
He had Lang as back-up for both Tackles and Both Guards… LMAO I agree with you totally packallday!! We have to have a Good Back-up for Clif and I’m hoping we also pick Kyle Calloway, RT ~ Iowa! I’m not sure what round he’s projected in, but, if we could get him in the 4th Round I for 1 would be a very happy camper!
Go Pack!!
How about Safford from Indiana?
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 16, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Some DA on Yahoo Sports had him going in the 1st round to the Cowboys I believe! LMAO
He had us taking Ryan Matthews and passing on Get THIS:
Brandon Graham
Golden Tate
Roger Saffold
Jerry Hughes
Devin McCourty
Iupati and
Sean Weatherspoon!
I laughed my butt off!
Go Pack!
I would so take Sean Witherspoon for our defense.
If we want help in the secondary, Chris Maragos might be worth a look. And I am NOT talking as an undrafted free agent. Maragos should be our 5th or 6th round pick.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 19, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
My BEEF with keeping Tasuch/Clift
isn’t that we did, but the contracts we gave them…not the $$$, but the length. 2 years a piece would’ve been ideal. I realize they’re front loaded so we could probably release them in like 2 years if we don’t need ’em, but still seems like too long.
Glad these two will retire as Packers though.
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Mar 16, 2010 10:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The only way we could get Clifton back was to give him 3 years. I’m not sure if you read the transcript from his press conference about the signing but he was quoted as saying that he thinks he still has 2-3 good years left in him, hence his 3 year contract. I’m sure Ted realizes he doesn’t have 3 years left but one would think he didn’t really have a choice. Clifton had a tremendous amount of leverage. It was either let him sign with the Skins and have no starting LT or give him the deal he wants simply because you almost have too.
I think the Tausch signing is alright though. He looked really good last year and I don’t think it’s crazy to think that he could really give us 2 more good years.
by packallday555 on Mar 16, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Broncos Fan
here who cares about the Pack because, for one thing, you don’t have Brett the gloryhound Favre anymore, and second I’m an NFL historian, or an aspiring one anyway. With that said, in the name of all that is holy in the NFL, Lombardi (I have ancestors from the Italian province of Lombardy, so I feel connected to Coach Lombardi in that way), Nitschke, Starr, Lambeau and Hutson, I must confess I have a problem with your new unis. Incidentally, my former neighbor, Devin Frischknecht, has a great chance to contribute to the Pack, I believe. I’d sure like to see the pride of Manti, Utah in the classic green and gold. That is the Packers, that is Americana, that’s what the NFL is all about. No disrespect intended, Pack fans, but those new uniforms suck. What do you guys think?
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Mar 16, 2010 10:42 PM CDT reply actions
Haha ya there was a post on them recently and we pretty much all hated them! I still think the Broncos throwbacks are uglier then ours though :)!
by packallday555 on Mar 16, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
the Broncos’ throwback uniforms are the worst thing ever. God Bless Mr. Phipps and others who insisted the orange uniforms be a staple.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Mar 17, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they're
As good an homage to a classic PACKERS uniform as you’ll get. And the original colors, like it or not, were BLUE and gold BEFORE they were green and gold. So get over it! It’s an alternate throw-back, not a full time uniform. I would think you’d be able to appreciate it for what it is, given that you’re an “aspiring football historian.” Apparently, you only care about relatively recent Packers history.
As for the Broncos throwbacks…I appreciated them for what they were and they grew on me. I thought they served their purpose.
best available or need?
I’m a lifelong GB fan living in the Philippines now. Looks to me like OL is job #1. 50 sacks is off the charts. We have a very good QB waiting to get blown up on one of those sacks. Dont expect him to be injury free like Favre. Also, if the O-line improves maybe, just MAYBE Ryan can get some holes. How many runs over 15 yards did he have? Anyway, I think that we take the best athlete avail. in the draft coz the truth is we can use upgrades at almost any position…….OL, LB, RB, DB, pass rush. Someone said take McCoy in the 4th if he’s avail. I agree. Flynn is not the answer if AR goes down on one of those sacks. Just 1 man’s opinion.
no better than 7th?
Why do you say that? Just about EVERYONE on our line, at this time in their career, is average. I can’t think of one of them that is scary good. They are decent…could EASILY be bumped by a rookie that picks things up quickly. Just think if there is a Joe Thomas kind of guy out there that comes in and plays at a high level from day one. I guess I just don’t see how its a done deal that he’d be at best 7th on the depth chart.
Yeah, that's kind of a ridiculous statement.
Although…if we did get a OT in the draft and aren’t interested in using him as a guard – I doubt we’d supplant Clifton or Tauscher (barring injury to either) this season unless either regresses, regardless as to the rookie’s quality – if for no other reason than continuity.
Well, unless he’s Joe Thomas good.
by Archibaldcrane on Mar 17, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
THAT is going to be hard to find.
Joe Thomas is crazy good, he’s just on a terrible team.
Maybe if Holmgren’s truly going cut-crazy, we can offer our first round pick for JT. That shores up our OL for YEARS.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 19, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
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