NFC North Trade and Free Agent Rumors: McNabb to Vikings; Pacman to Lions
by Brandon on Mar 27, 2010 8:00 AM CDT
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PrintWhile most of the rumors from the Eagles side and from the Raiders side have focused on a QB Donovan McNabb to the Raiders trade, one rumor is that he might go to the Vikings. Maybe those rumors are coming from McNabb himself since Minnesota appears to be his first choice. I can't imagine McNabb in 2010 outperforming QB Brett Favre in 2009, so McNabb is unlikely to make them any better next season. A trade might even prevent them from improving if the Eagles insist on nothing less than the Vikings's 1st round pick. If Favre isn't coming back, then the trade makes some sense for the Vikings, but I expect Favre will reappear on the eve of training camp once again.
I understand why the Raiders would want McNabb because their recent plans involve trading or signing any veteran player who becomes available. The Vikings won't make the trade because Favre will return (eventually). It seems to be more speculation then sourced, but the Bills would be a good spot for him. Despite only being ranked No. 16 overall by Football Outsiders last year, he'd be a huge upgrade over any of their current 2010 options. The Bills also have a couple good offensive players in WR Lee Evans and RB Fred Jackson to help immediately. Unfortunately they would have to use the rest of their draft to rebuild their offensive line, but Bills fans seem open to the idea if they could get some commitment beyond 2010.
Meanwhile the Lions have signed CB Adam Jones, or maybe they haven't. They have such a massive need at cornerback that Pacman would help them in 2010, but he's not going to push them into the playoffs either. Maybe the Lions are looking long-term and not that interested in what Jones (and all his troubles) could do for them now. They seem to be a win-now mode, or otherwise they wouldn't have signed veterans like WR Nate Burleson and DE Kyle Vanden Bosch, so maybe this is a signing that will happen soon.
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No WAY
I can’t envision ANY scenario where the Eagles would be stupid enough to send McNabb to the NFC Championship runner up last season. That is just BAD BAD football savvy if you ask me. I haven’t seen any legit sources on McNabb to the Vikings. I have seen McNabb to the Rams for their 2nd rounder and their free safety (who’s name I can’t spell). I’ve heard rumors about the Bills being interested too.
I repeat though, there is NO way the Eagles send McNabb to the Vikings…NONE!
@ TreverR: Completely agree with you!
I can’t see McNabb, TJ, & Sage riding the pine behind BF either! : ) LMAO
I expect the Vikes to draft a QB this year though, to be ready to play when BF retires in 2015! LMAO! : )
Go Pack!
I think
ANYthing that the ’queens might do to improve their QB situation, especially if it involves adding someone who could, conceivably, challenge Bertt for the starting job, would (understatement comming) make Favre bristle. LMAO :D
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The glass is more than half-full.
Just because McNabb prefers the Vikings...
…that doesn’t mean the Eagles want to trade him to the Vikings. It also doesn’t mean that the Vikings are willing to give the Eagles what they want and, so far at least, I haven’t heard or read anything thing that suggests that the Vikings are even considering trying to acquire McNabb.
Lotta' facets to this... lotta' interested parties... lotta' in's, lotta' out's, lotta' what-have-you's
From Minnesota’s point of view, would you rather have McNabb for 5 years or Brett for 1? [ insert “Brett’s never retiring” joke here ]
And I don’t think that the Eagles would mind sending him to an NFC team. They’d rather not, of course, but McNabb has to be happy for any deal to go through. And MN isn’t in their division, so they could live with it.
But Favre’s under contract for this year. So, in order to pursue McNabb, the Vikes would have to pursuade him to retire and stay retired. [ insert line from “What About Bob?” here ]
amazingly the people here for the most part seem to say they’d take Favre for 1 over McNabb for 5. I live in MN and listen to their sports talk here all the time. They’ve been discussing it a lot and the overwhelming majority said they’d rather keep Favre.
I still completely disagree on the Eagles take. They were a playoff team last year. They will likely be one this year or at least close. I could see them sending him to an NFC team but not an elite one that could knock them out of the playoffs…so Rams yes, Vikings hell no.
Maybe he'd head to somewhere like Oakland then.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 28, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Why are we talking about this?
It’s not going to happen. I mean really, this is not going to happen.
If Favre makes his mind up before the draft...which isnt likely,
the Vikings WILL be looking for a QB. Mcnabb will be on top of their wish list, and a deal would be highly probable. The Vikings know they are too close to being “great” to go into the season with the QB’s currently on their roster, it just wouldn’t be fair to the organization.
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
Which is another reason I'm glad he's done here
He holds his teams hostage with his indecisiveness. Even though I’m about 99% sure he’ll be back right around the middle of preseason, if for some reason he doesn’t, the Vikings will be left high and dry with Sagevaris Jacksonfels, after they pass on a QB about as good as Favre who has much more left in the tank.
by Charlie Kelly on Mar 28, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
McNabb didn't hold a candle to Favre's season last year.
Also, I wouldn’t be so sure McNabb had THAT much left in his “tank”. He is definetly on the down side of his career.
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
McNabb also doesn't have Adrian Peterson
And while I don’t think he has a lot left himself, when compared to Favre, who will be 41 and looked worn down at the end of last year, I would say McNabb has more in the tank.
by Charlie Kelly on Mar 28, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Again....
It’s not going to happen. It’s just not. MN is going to wait. Farve will come back. McNabb is going somewhere else. What’s more interesting is what happens next year than what happens this year.
by PackApologist on Mar 28, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Which would be terrible.
I hope they can reach an agreement soon.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 29, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
If the Vikings were smart, they'd do everything they could to make this happen
Instead, they’ll wait on the land baron to come back after training camp and inevitably blow it like he always does.
the same qb
both are 2 games above .500 in the playoffs, favre is 13-11 and mcnab is 9-7, but it’s still better than p.manning’s 9-9.
Except one will be 41 in October while the other is 33
I’d personally rather have five years of opportunity than one when the chance of success is about the same with each option.
by Charlie Kelly on Mar 28, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
injuries
mcnabb has had plenty of injuries and his body is in no better shape than a 41 year old qb. i hope mcnabb does get the minny qb gig and that favre stays in mississippi. that way the packers will have a better chance of beating the viings next year. right now favre is better than mcnabb despite the age.
Bertt has also had "plenty of injuries."
He just played with them.
Some of them, however (for the sake of the team) he shouldn’t hsve.
But, I guarentee you, Bertt’s injuries have taken their toll, as well.
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The glass is more than half-full.
no comparison
mcnabb had a fractued ankle, torn acl, sports hernia, broken ribs/chest bone which caused him to miss significant game action,
favre has had none of those injuries unless you count a sprained ankle and broken thumb, but it seemed like it diddn’t affect his play.
I do
count the sprained ankle and broken thumb, as well as his sprained shoulder in 2008 with the Jets, and they most certainly did affect his play, especially the thumband and the shoulder.
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The glass is more than half-full.
I think his shoulder injury was more serious then a sprain as well.
by packallday555 on Mar 29, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t think he’s “better” so much as he was in a better position to succeed last year. He had a fantastic RB, great line, great receivers, McNabb had average support at most of those positions.
The only one of those where McNabb has had average support during his career in Philly is WR. He’s had GREAT Olines and had Westbrook behind him for much of his career. He had a pretty pathetic crew of WRs up until this past season though…
Yeah, I don’t even know if you could call his WR’s average that he has had. For a while Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown were the top guys…Both guys who would probably be 3rd WR’s on your average team.
When he had T.O. he was great and lone behold his team went to the Super Bowl.
I think he definitely has something now in Jackson and Maclin though. It would be a big mistake (I think) for the Eagles to get rid of McNabb. In Jackson, Maclin, and McCoy the Eagles have some great young talent, and with their defense getting some players back from injury this year I think they could be more serious contenders this coming season.
by packallday555 on Mar 29, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Yea, I don't know why this is even in discussion
McNabb has had his ups and downs but this team isn’t in the process of rebuilding, they’re only two years removed from an NFC Championship appearance. If anyone should leave, it should be Reid or their offensive coordinator.
by Charlie Kelly on Mar 29, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
time to move on
for the eagles. mcnabb got him as far as he could just came up a little short. let kolb have his chance, you’ll get a high 2nd or first round pick for mcnabb, good business.
mcnabb will betraded before may, that’s when the eagles would have to pay him a hefty roster bonus.
Just not smart..McNabb is a top Qb in this league. The illusion that it’s his fault or something that they haven’t quite been able to get over the hump is silly. Look at the teams he has had around him, particulary on offense.
Sure, Westbrook was a great Rb but we might as well just call him a WR when referring to him as a Philadelphia Eagle. For many years Reid called pass plays near 70% of the time compared to near 30% run plays. McNabb has had to carry the entire team on his back, and he has had to do so with his Rb being his best receiving weapon. The one year they did get an elite WR for McNabb in T.O. they went to the Super Bowl!
Then they lost him, and coincidentally enough, they went back into the cycle of coming close but not quite close enough.
Now they have finally have some weapons for him to work with, and their going to get rid of him!? He showed last year that he could be really, really effective with Jackson and Maclin, and as the two of them improve that effectiveness will only become greater. And then you take into account that they lost two of their starting LB’s to injury early in the season, as well as one of their starting S’s. Having a healthy defense, and young improving core on offense, plus an experienced Qb puts the Eagles in Super Bowl contention. I think getting rid of him would be silly unless their positive, and I mean POSITIVE that Kolb is going to be a good Qb in the league.
by packallday555 on Mar 29, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't seem like good business to me
When you have a team that’s pretty close to being a championship contender, you don’t get rid of a solid dependable QB in favor of a first year starter. I don’t know much about Kevin Kolb but I highly doubt he’s ready to take this team to the next level as of right now. He’ll get his chance but this team wouldn’t have traded for Peters, and signed Samuel/Andrews if they were planning on rebuilding.
by Charlie Kelly on Mar 29, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
your not supposed to rebuild
an nfl team unless you get rid of coaching staff. kolb has sat long enough (ala rodgers), it’s his turn, he played pretty darn good last year when donovan was injured AGAIN.
kolbs in a good situation, solid o-line, good wr’s sat and watched mcnabb play the position..
mcnabb will be traded by the time he receives his roster bonus in may. it will be kolb team next year and beyond. no-one expected rodgers to play as well as he has in his first 2 years of starting, maybe kolb can do the same thing. i’m just guessing here, but i’m pretty sure that the eagles know a little more about kolb’s ability than the people blogging on this site, so if they get rid of mcnabb———-they believe that kolb can get the job done (ala rodgers)———why we didn’t bring favre back because thompson and mccarthy thought aaron could do the job.
plus it would save the eagles millions————nfl is big business. don’t forget.
It's not really the same situation as Rodgers
Favre retired, then Rodgers was given the starting job. But if you remember, before Favre retired, there was no talk of him being pushed out as starter in favor of Rodgers (Despite what all the Thompson conspiracy theorists think) And after Favre came back, the reason they held their ground was to keep Rodgers, as he would’ve left had the Packers jerked him around. This is completely different than the McNabb situation.
But I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree, I think a team that’s built to contend right now would be better off with a veteran who despite his inability to finish, has still lead the team to five NFC title games and a Superbowl, than a first year starter who could take a few years to develop.
by Charlie Kelly on Mar 29, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
funny thing
i bet the eagle fans wouldn’t be sad to let him go for a #1, remember he was booed on draft day, i bet the eagle blogs are calling him a choker as well. afterall, he’s only 9-7 in the playoffs
lol
the eagle fans really don’t care if mcnabb leaves——lol. they want kolb to start next year. they feel mcnabb has gotten this team as far as he can and it’s time for a change. go to an eagles blog, it’s hillarious.
they are more upsett of losing dawkins , who they say was the heart and sole of team, then losing mcnabb. mcnabb to the RAIDERS————-priceless.
Haha I know and I think it’s crazy! They’ve always been unappreciative of McNabb, from the second he was drafted.
by packallday555 on Mar 30, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly...
I guess we shouldn’t be surprised. The guy was booed when he was drafted, its only fitting that he leaves in this way.
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