Can You Imagine WR Dez Bryant as a Green Bay Packer?
by Brandon on Mar 31, 2010 8:00 AM CDT
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PrintBecause WR Dez Bryant was suspended for the 2009 season, and the Green Bay Packers don't have a need at wide receiver, I haven't considered whether they should draft him. However, alongside Bryant in the picture is John Dorsey, the Packers director of college scouting and top evaluator behind GM Ted Thompson, who took the time to talk to him at the Oklahoma State pro day on Tuesday.
Bryant is still struggling to do some things right, he couldn't remember to bring his shoes for the workout (Shoeless Dez?), but Mocking Dan points out that Mike McCarthy was also in attendance and that Bryant is too good a prospect to be dismissed.
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sure why not
if he’s their at #23, i cansee the pack drafting him, it’s not like it would be the first time we drafted a wr high that we diddn’t need. bryant can start in 2 years, have to look at the future notjust the present———-i’ve been told.
Hell yeah...
if he falls to us at 23, I wouldn’t cry if we picked him. We have good WRs now…its a solid group but really I don’t know if we have that TRUE great #1. Jennings is pretty good, but he hasn’t taken that next step in becoming great. I think he was passed for the second best WR in the division last year and he just kinda spun his tires. Driver is getting old and honestly I don’t think Jones OR Nelson has it in them to step into his shoes. If Bryant fell to us, I think we HAVE to take a chance on him. He’s dynamic and being in a town like GB could be good for him. Having Driver around him would be good for him. Having Woodson around him would be good for him.
I don’t think he’ll fall to us but they have to seriously consider him if he does. I worry about how that affects other positions, but we don’t have a position that we HAVE to take in the first round so I think its best guy on the market this year.
I'd rather wait until next year
DD is our go to guy possession receiver. Jennings is our big playmaker and stretches the field. Jordy and Jones are our slot receivers and are reliable. That’s a very good group with excellent chemistry. I feel adding Dez Bryant will be like having 2 Jennings. Sounds good, except I don’t trust Jennings enough to throw it to him on each down. I view Bryant as a big playmaker, but he will have adjustment issues.
The way our offense is set up, Finley and DD are the Go to Guys to move the chains consistently. When we need a quick strike or big play, we look to Jennings. Very similar to Minnesota. When they want to move the chains, they go to Sidney Rice. When they want a big play, they go to Bernard Berrian.
So, to replace DD, I would like to address that next year as there will be 5-6 WR’s standing 6’ 5 that will be entering the draft. That means we get our version of Sidney Rice.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I can agree with you on that. I just don’t want us to be complacent with our WR group. We once thought we had the best group of WRs in the league…I don’t know that I feel we are top 5 really right now. If DD moves on, we fall off BIG time. Of course that isn’t counting Finley. I do think in the next couple drafts we need to get a playmaker at the position though. Maybe next year is the year!
uuuummm TrevorR no
i mean it would be great to get him because he will be dynamic but wow for someone to actually say that the packers dont have a position of need??? okay yes they do OLB CB SS OT, those are positions of need. i would feel much better about taking Dez Bryant at 23 than when TT drafted jordy nelson with our 2nd rd pick in the 08 draft, all that being said i would rather see CJ spiller Kindle or Taylor Mays get drafted by the packers you can get a really good WR in every draft every single year Dez bryant may be good but not for a 1st when you could probably get some one with comparable talent in the 3rd-4th round
I didn’t say we don’t have a position of need. I said we don’t have one position that we HAVE to take in the first round. IF we hadn’t resigned both Clifton and Tauscher, it would have been tackle but we can get by with all the guys we have. We need to improve a bunch of positions, but we aren’t sitting there saying, if we don’t get _ in the first round, we are screwed. THAT is what I said…I think you misread my post.
It’d be hard to pass on him but we should if he is still on the board when we are up. Though it doesn’t really matter what I want, or anyone else for that matter. I’d say it’s a pretty safe bet that TT would pick Bryant if he was there. We all know his fascination with WR’s. Last year we would have likely taken Crabtree had DT not been such a huge need. And while OT is, to me, a bigger need then DT was last year, I could see TT not thinking so since he just gave Clifton a 3 year contract.
I think if we’re gonna pick a WR this year we should go after Mike Williams out of Syracuse. He’s got a big body, pretty good speed, and can go up and make a catch in traffic. Bryant is all those things as well and probably more but we wouldn’t have to take Williams until probably the 3rd round.
Mike Williams......
Mike Williams would not be a good pick. Yes he is talented but he is even a worse headcase than Dez Bryant. He is way too many character issues for the Packers to be drafting him. He got thrown off his team this year if I remember correctly.
Mtpackfan- Yeah, he decided to step down himself apparently because he was going to be facing suspension for a car accident he got in with a few of his teammates.
He is 6’3" 215. He has red flags but that shouldn’t necessarily always stop you from taking a guy, and many times for GM’s it doesn’t.
I should note, I don’t really want TT to take a WR, I just think he will. And of all the possible guys he could take (assuming he does so later in the draft) I think Williams is the best.
by packallday555 on Mar 31, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
You've always heard me say this:
If we are going to draft a WR to replace DD within the next couple years, make it a big target for Rodgers. 6’ 3 is a good size and sounds like he could potentially be a good replacement for DD. Otherwise we can wait til next year. The only problem with that though is we’ll probably have to use our first round pick on a WR. In next year’s draft, there will be approximately 5 WR’s standing 6’ 5 and are expected to be off the board in the first couple rounds. Next year is deep for WR’s.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Yes I have...
..and i agree with you. Between Jennings and Jones, we have two guys who are good because of their route running. Really our only big body WR is Nelson but I more so seem him as just a possession WR. It’d be great for us to get a big WR, who can go up and make big catches downfield. I assume that’s what your thinking/wanting as well?
Though it should be interesting to see the impact Finley has. He is a TE but he lined up quite a lot at WR last season and was pretty effective.
by packallday555 on Mar 31, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
He does
but it seemed that we used him a lot on our drives, then when we got into the red zone he has to catch his breath on the sidelines. Therefore, we lost our biggest target in the end zone, thus resulting in missed field goals for Mason Crosby. LOL.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I thought we used Finley a pretty fair amount in the redzone. He caught a couple of fade route TD’s. We didn’t use him nearly enough though. Honestly though, anytime we get inside the 10 yard line we should use a spread formation with Finley lined up on the outside. If he is single covered and Rodgers can throw it anywhere in his vicinity, it’s a TD. If a safety helps over the top on him, we isolate Jennings or Driver in the slot in single coverage.
Basically, we should use Finley in the redzone the way the Vikings used Moss in the redzone…Just throw it up too him haha.
by packallday555 on Apr 1, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Imagine having another guy with Finley’s height who was even faster on the outside though…just think of how much more effective that would make us with two guys that are like 6’5"! Wow.
Yeah, it’d be hard to ever stop our offense.
by packallday555 on Apr 1, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
OT
getting another OT would be huge. Our offense is legit if we give rodgers any sort of time in the pocket. I also agree with robbie. I would rather pick spiller, kindle, or mays if any of them are there along with Dez. But we will have to wait and see
Easy answer...NO!
While WR needs to be more on the radar than we think, DD getting up there and Jordy and Jones have their contracts end in the same year, WR is not where we need to be this year….at all. It’s been said over and over by amateurs and professionals who are watching the Pack this year, the Pack needs a LT, OLB, and some kind of secondary help either in CB or S. With this draft being deep I can’t imagine that we can’t get one of those three things out of the first round. Once we hit Friday of the draft then we are go back to those catagories or add in a RB if there is a playmaker on the board. Hell, I’m fine with drafting at WR at 2 if he can also help in the return game.
Bryant doesn’t help in the return game.
Bryant is a head case.
Bryant can’t run all the drills at his all important workout.
Bryant can’t even bring cleats to this workout.
Come on people!
Does everything have to be so dramatic?
Look dude. People have differing opinions. I wanted to let you in on that secret so you can stop shortening your lifespan by FREAKING about about everything that is said that you don’t agree with.
Isn't this what Finley is for?
I want a 6’ 4"+ receiver as much as anyone else here, but then I got thinking- "isn’t this why we have Jermichael Finley? why spend a valuable draft pick on a receiver for “big plays” when we already have one of those super tall guys right now in Finley. If we’re desperate then just put Finley out as the #2 reciever. let wait a while to replace driver, a year when the draft for recievers is stacked, this years it’s the OLB and DB’s that are stacked.
All TE's are big targets
It’s just that Finley adds in speed. He’s a good target, but he’s not enough. He does take plenty of time on the sidelines too so he can stay fresh. If we rely too much on our TE’s, then our offense becomes more like “gasp” the Bears. Scary thought.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
If he fell, I'd say hell yes
he’s a talent I’d be very hesitant to pass up, considering he is the best player at his position. While we are fairly stacked at WR and do have needs elsewhere, taking the BPA is never a poor strategy in my estimation.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
It depends upon the situation and where you are drafting
Generally I prefer the BPA philosophy, but if we draft towards the end of the round, then it might be better to address a need. It really depends. We also have to compare. Who is the best player on the board between OT Charles Brown, WR Dez Bryant, and OLB Jerry Hughes? Who addresses a bigger need? Who will make a bigger impact on our team? Who better fits our team? If those 3 are available, I believe Charles Brown is about equal value if not a little less compared to Bryant. Add in how Bryant would not get much playing time compared to DD and Jennings and how Brown is shoring up our OL, I think Charles Brown would be the better pick. While we need to find a replacement for DD, we also need to find a replacement for Chad Clifton.
I like Jerry Hughes, but I’m skeptical on one thing: does he fit “our” system? Dom Capers runs his 3-4 a little differently from the rest. He doesn’t really have a weak side primary pass rusher and a strong side OLB. He has his OLB’s play on the same side of the field on every down, regardless of where the TE is lined up (even though it’s usually on the right side). So, if the TE is lined up 70% of the time on the right side, does a speed rusher (Hughes) fit better than a more powerful OLB to take on the extra blocker? I think this just adds to the idea in who will come at better value.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Good points. It would be a tough decision if all the 3 you mentioned are on the board. I don’t think any of the 3 would be day 1 starters for us, so no one really gains an edge there. OT and OLB are much greater needs for us then WR is so that’s a plus for Brown and Hughes. But at the same time, neither Hughes or Brown are considered to be the best in their class like Bryant is.
Your right about questioning whether or not Hughes is right for our system. I read the other day that he has trouble holding the edge, and getting off OT’s blocks on run plays. It made me think of Matthews right away. I know Hughes is a great pass rusher but like Clay he is a speed rusher. Would it be a disadvantage to have 2 speed rush type guys, who aren’t as powerful? Maybe but at the same time you pointed out Capers does not designate a strong side or weak side OLB in his system.
by packallday555 on Mar 31, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
if he falls
good chance the Patriots will grab him.
OT and SS are huge needs now, of course, but will there someone available at that pick who can step in, learn the system, and produce at a high caliber this year? If Bryant got past New England, I’d grab him and fill those other needs with free agents with pro level experience and build for the future at those positions with later picks.
Remember last year when people were talking about the possibility of picking Crabtree?
Well look what happened with the 49ers and him. Now could Dez Bryant or Crabtree become superstars? Possibly. But headcase diva receivers are almost always more trouble than they’re worth. Look at two examples with Moss and Owens, both have contributed to their teams and played well but ultimately neither of them have rings and ultimately left their teams on bad terms.
Also, you have to factor in where the Packers play, Green Bay is not a place where a young star receiver with a big ego will want to play.
change of subject
Brown is a free agent…C’mon Teddy take a chance and nabb him. Jolly might be having legal troubles and you know Brown would be playing with a chip on his shoulder. Nice solid d-lineman to help with the loss of Kamp and Mont. I only see positives at grabbing this guy
Teddy takes best avil at the time
Teddy always takes the best avil player at the time not what we need…..Did we really need a QB when we drafted Rodgers??? No….If Teddy didn’t give Brett the old send off we still wouldn’t need him.
We will see………..
by greenbay packers backer on Apr 3, 2010 8:42 AM CDT reply actions
@ greenbay packers backer: I beg to differ with you on that one...
“Teddy” in 2008, traded away our 1st Round Pick, and with our 1st pick in the second round took WR Jordy Nelson. Jordy Nelson was not the “Best Player Available”, he wasn’t even the best WR available!! Teddy wanted him for some reason, and he got him, but you can’t even dare to say he was the “Best Player Available!” “Teddy” will do what “Teddy” wants to do!
Go Pack!
Yea we did need one
Brett has been pulling the will he or he won’t he since about 2003.
by Charlie Kelly on Apr 3, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
WRONG, greenbay packers backer!!!
Did we really need a QB when we drafted Rodgers???
We most certainly did!!!!
Here’s why.
Following the 2004 season, Favre publicly said that he didn’t know how much longer he would continue to play, if at all.
He said, prior to the 2005 draft, that he didn’t even know whether or not he would be returning for the 2005 season, and that he wanted to take his time, before making a commitment.
He made it evident that he wanted to do so regardless of whatever consequences to the Packers.
It wasn’t even the first season at the end of which he flirted with the idea of retirement, publically.
When Ted Thompson first arrived on the scene, Bertt had already put the organization on notice that the Packers had better get doing something about the aquisition of his long-term replacement, if they wanted to be prepared and in position to win whenever the time of ‘Life After Favre’ arrived, be it sooner or later.
I was on board with the pick at the time and, naturally (and obviously) am even more so now.
Had we not drafted Rodgers, we would currently be up the proverbial creek without an oar!!!
And Ted knew it, then!
(For you B/R readers, I apologize for the deja vu, but this argument is as valid a response here as it was there.)
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The glass is more than half-full.
Great post!
Aaron Rodgers was 100% necessary when he was drafted. I remember the year before his draft thinking we should draft one THAT year. When Rodgers fell to us, I was unhappy because I didn’t like him coming out of college but I knew we’d take him…it was a no brainer. I actually had time to watch the draft in those days and I remember sitting in front of my TV saying, “here it comes”.
It looked even smarter when the next couple seasons Favre’s play dropped off dramatically and the retirement talks got even louder. We all know how it ended but the Rodgers pick was the right move…100%.
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