Mock Draft: Packers Select Texas LB Sergio Kindle
by Brandon on Mar 31, 2010 4:30 PM CDT
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PrintIn our SB Nation Writers Mock Draft, I selected Texas LB Sergio Kindle. It's a pick not everyone will agree with, Mocking Dan reacts with surprise in the post that the Packers would pass on OT Anthony Davis. You can follow the link to vote in agreement or disgust.
I'm focused on improving the pass rush, now that DE Aaron Kampman is officially gone, and Kindle is one of the best rushers available. His pressure should also improve the pass defense and hopefully hide some of their weakness in the secondary. Adding depth for the secondary and offensive line are both needs, but I've put the pass rush ahead of them. They've still got 7 more picks after this one to fill those needs.
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I think I like it
This is one of those drafts where I don’t think I am going to be disgusted with a first round pick unless its something like a DT or a QB. There are numerous positions where we could improve. None of them are can’t skip it in the first round type picks so it really opens the door for taking the best player on the board. This seems like a good move. Getting more pass rush and stopping the other teams pass rush are clearly our two biggest needs.
I like the pick of OLB
I don’t know if I like Kindle, but I’m not really sure who’s better between Hughes and him. But I think OLB is easily our biggest need, if we can get a pass rusher opposite Clay Matthews, then our secondary will look a lot better. As for OTs, the ones available at this point might be a bit of a reach so I’m all for looking later in the draft.
I would love to get Kindle
Seems like he would be a good fit for the packers, really improve the pass rush.
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I support it
Anthony Davis does not fit our offense.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Pick at 23
Right position… WRONG player!!!
Hughes has FAR better production, and FAR better combine numbers!!! 40 yd dash is pretty equal, but in the 10 yd split Hughes put up a 1.53 as compared to nearly a 1.70. EXPLOSIVENESS defines Hughes!!! As a pass rusher Hughes is so much better its not even funny!! Also in the 3 cone drill and 20 shuttle which measure quickness and change of direction Hughes was #1 and #4, whereas Kindle wasn’t even top 10!!! THis means that Hughes will be better in coverage cuz he can get in and out of breaks quicker!!! In Run D, Kindle MIGHT be a little better, but Hughes was going against OT every down!!! As a 34 OLB, he will be going up against RB and TE… NOT OT!!!
Hughes should be better in every way than Kindle w/in a years time!!! And it won’t even be close!!!
I don't buy too much into combine and pro day results
Some players aren’t very good at performing those drills or mess up for whatever reason. But it’s a non football situation where they aren’t even wearing pads. I don’t think you can put that much stock into it.
by Charlie Kelly on Mar 31, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
very true——- if you look at hawks combine numbers he blows hughs’s numbers out of the water and well, he’s just average at best, but he did have great numbers at the combine,
looks like tarzan, plays like jane syndrome like gohlston and mike mamula. great combines but below average football players.
i would be fine with either a LT or OLB with the first pick. charlie brown or GRAHAM!
GRAHAM——-GRAHAM—-GRAHAM—- SORRY FOLKS, those last 3 were for stroh. lol!!!!!
Graham
I like Graham better than Kindle… But Graham is a better fit for a 43 DE than he is a 34 OLB. At least Graham has produced in college. Kindle gets everyone excited, then doesn’t play up to the hype!
i like
hughs better than kindle also, but graham, i’m just thinking about woodley. same guy as graham, woodley was a hand on the ground end and pitt turned him into a pro bowl lb in short time.
plus i have a soft spot for big ten players.
I think I might be leaning more towards Graham along with you. I was originally for Hughes but the more I read about it, the more it seems like he is similar to Matthews. Not that, that is a bad thing at all but I think it might be better to have more of a bull rush type guy opposite Matthews.
Haha this damn draft just needs to hurry up and get here. I find myself changing my mind every other week it seems like.
by packallday555 on Mar 31, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
combine
I don’t put alot of stock in combine numbers either… Some are usefull for predicting success in certain phases of the game though. Like the 3 cone and 20 shuttle for coverage ability…
I MUCH prefer production!!! Kinda like the PRODUCTION Hughes had in college!!! Production and good testing/drills suggests an elite talent!!! What was Kindles production in college? Pretty ordinary compared to Hughes!!! What was Kindles drills compared to Hughes? Very ordinary!!!
Hughes is better hands down!!!
Hughes or Wootton would help.
Wootton because he has the size to play 3-4 DE, Hughes because he can provide a rush to take some of the pressure of CM3.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 31, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't need to capatilize for emphasis. Sorry, that just bugs the crap out of me.
But of course Hughes had better production, he plays for TCU, who plays in the Mountain West Conference, whereas Kindle and Texas play in the superior Big 12, so I’m guessing Kindle faced better competition. Also, if you look at Hughes season, the only decent team they played, Clemson, he was pretty much shut out. And Kindle missed two games in 2009, and one in 2008.
by Charlie Kelly on Mar 31, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Superior? Big Twelve? Heh,
That’s entirely subjective. If not for Texas, the Big Twelve would have been a resounding joke this last year.
Okay, Nebraska humiliated Zona in the Holiday Bowl after coming out on the short end of one of the worst officiating mistakes in historyThat surely counts for something.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 31, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't say it was a great conference, but it's better than the Mountain West is it not?
by Charlie Kelly on Mar 31, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, it is.
Still, the Big Twelve had some issues… Namely a collapsing Kansas team, a middling K-State, an Oklahoma with an amazing D and an injured Sam Bradford, a Nebraska team that couldn’t play offense to save its life, and a TERRIBLE Colorado team.
Texas walked away with the Big Twelve. Again.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 31, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I know I cited a ton of Big Twelve North schools, but again, aside from Texas, everyone else in the South was just as middling.
TT’s signiature win was over Oklahoma, Oklahoma’s was over…who? Oklahoma State once again found middle of the road preferable to WIN, Baylor was Baylor, and A&M found amazing new ways to get throttled every week.
Not exactly the greatest, but it did get Texas to a National Title game…for all the good THAT did.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 31, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I wasn't trying to argue whether or not the Big 12 was a quality conference
Just saying that it is better than the Mountain West and thus Kindle was more likely to face quality competition than Hughes.
by Charlie Kelly on Mar 31, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Point taken.
But I still have to wonder how TCU would have fared against UT. Boise pulled every trick out of the book and a wild Bronco to beat TCU.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 31, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
!!!!!!
Everyone has their own way of writing and emphasizing things to make a point!!! Let him do his thing!!!!!!!!!!! If you are going to yell at him about something, focus on the explanation points!!!!!!! :-)
The explanation points are kind of annoying as well
but if I complained about that then I’d just look like a douchebag.
by Charlie Kelly on Mar 31, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
@Charlie
You don’t need to capatilize for emphasis.
Maybe not, however…
Some of us, including Stroh and myself, also post over at the Bleacher/Report Packers page (among other Packer sites), where we don’t have the luxury of boldface or italics to use for added emphasis, so we use CAPS and !!!s, instead.
I, for one, post more there than here, and can see where, for some, at least, it either can be easy to forget about the alternatives here, or, it can just simply be easier to type the same way everywhere (which I suspect to be the case with Stroh)!!!
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The glass is more than half-full.
@ Stroh: I'm sick of you beating around the bush! Tell us how you really feel! lmao
How many guys will be drafted? 224? You know I love Hughes as a Packer, but, the chances are against us. Though he does fit a need for us and he probably is a very real possibility in the 1st or 2nd round for us. I do believe he’s on Ted’s radar, but, I think it’ll depend on how highly he values him. Does TT think he’s worth a #23 pick? Does he think he’s a steal at say #39? I’m thinking he may take someone else in the 1st, and then on day two, trade up to #39 to get him, if he’s still on the board! We can only hope! : )
Go Pack!
worth 23
I look at it like this… He had Matthews rated from 12 to 15 in last years draft. If memory serves, one of the things that sold Thompson on Matthews was 10 yd split of 1.49… If that and Matthews limited experience and modest stats at USC had Matthews at even #15 last year, then Hughes’ 1.53 10 split, quickness and PRODUCTION at TCU should be worth the #23 pick…
I think alot depends on how Thompson and Capers feel about Brad Jones as a pass rusher!!! If they think he’ll be a really good pass rusher, they give him a chance this season. If they aren’t convinced Jones can deliver as a pass rusher and playmaker then Hughes will be even more appealing. Personally I think he’s a good player, and a very good backup, but not a starter or a playmaker like you need as a 34 LOB. He just didn’t make plays, and I never saw him step up in games, much less big games!
wouldn't it suck
for packers fans to sit and watch the draft for 3 hours on a thursday night, just to hear the words—-“the green bay packers trade the #23 pick to _____________”
Unfortunately....
I’m afraid TT is going to do just that!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
NEWS FLASH !!!!!!
Favre just announced on ESPN that he has offically-officially retired again—————-more details pending. this just opens the door for mcnabb going to the vikes.
just kidding———-it is april 1st
i just figured i would be the one to break the non-sense.
by hermitcrab on Apr 1, 2010 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Here's a breakdown in my reaction to that news flash:
1. Really, wow, it’s about time.
2. Wait, no, he can’t possibly make a decision until Training Camp begins
3. Oh….that’s right, it’s April Fools Day! I’VE BEEN PUNKED!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I think that TT is just about due for another Justin Harrell draft. Therefore, you need to find a position where the Packers have no urgent need (QB, WR?) and find a projected 4th rounder that TT can pick in Round 1, give big money, and then refuse to admit is a bust and keep around for 5 years.
Hey Trevor ~ I don't think we need another Harrell pick but,
I don’t think we need another 2008 either! I don’t see the need to trade down for more picks and with our 1st Pick in the 2nd Round, take the 15th best WR again either!
I hope we are in more of a 2009 mode. Get a need in the 1st round @ #23, and then move back up into the bottom of the 1st, or top of the 2nd, and fill another hole! : ) While I hope those 2 picks are Hughes and a LT, not necessarily, in that order, I’ll let TT decide for us! : )
Go Pack!
LT
I am all for getting a LT as early as possible w/o reaching for one… If Bulaga or Williams fall to us I take them over Hughes. Brown I think is a High 2nd rd pick, so I don’t see the value in him at 23. Brown needs a year minimum to get strong enough and good enough for starting duty! In the 2nd I would definitely take Veldheer in the 2nd…
I’m sure Thompson has his priorities and wish list handy to take the players we need to make us a stronger team and compete for the SB next year!
you guys
are hypocrites——-your willing to justify the jordy nelson pick,which will take him 4 -5 years to start,but you can’t stomach the packers drafting a LT tackle this year with the #23 pick to sit for 1 yeart to protect the franchise.
“but we’ll draft the LT later in the draft signed”————-t. moll,d. colledge,a.barbre, b.giacomini.j. merridith.————-wait, we really never drafted a LT under thompson yet.—————-they just thought they did.
Like Stroh said
If an OT who is worth the 23rd pick falls to us then pull the trigger but you don’t just reach for an LT who might not even be ready to start this year when impact players at other positions of need are still on the board.
We’re taking a pretty big gamble hoping Clifton and Tausch can play the whole season but say we draft an LT who’s not ready to start, if Clifton goes down we’re still not really any better than we were before.
by Charlie Kelly on Apr 2, 2010 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
Who is justifying the Nelson pick? Who isn’t okay with the packers taking an OT? I think you are making things up to start controversy or something.
Who is justifying the Nelson pick?
yourself for one———-saying you don’t have to draft for need.
you can go back into the archive if you like.
it’s okay to reach for a wr with your first pick in 2008(nelson), but its not okay to reach for a guy like brown in 2010.
if memory serves me, we were a lot closer in 2008 to winning it all than we are this year.
You are taking statements and making inferences from them…what a ridiculous way of arguing. Where have I said its not okay to reach for a guy like Brown. Show me. PLEASE.
Second, I really don’t get into draft speculation. I really don’t care. I care about who is on the team now, draft speculation is dumb and a HUGE waste of time that I don’t have. I leave it to you guys who clearly have more than enough of it I guess.
I didn’t like the Nelson pick. You can go back right in this thread and find that statement so stop making crap up just to get people going. Who determines what a “reach” is? A bunch of idiot sportswriters who make ridiculous mock drafts? You really think they know more than scouts who’s sole job is scouting college players? Ridiculous.
lol
for somebody that doesn’t care about draft speculation, you sure do blog about it a lot.
afterall the title of this thread is:
“mock draft: packers select lb sergio kindle”——-lol !!!
I think the only reason the Nelson pick was even brought up
was because hermit misconstrued what I said about trading back in to the first round.
by Charlie Kelly on Apr 2, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
2008 was an utter disaster. I do hope you were being sarcastic, because that "god-awful" defense beat TWO decent teams: The Colts and the Vikings (the first time)
After that, the line couldn’t stop anyone and the Packers gave up WAY too many game-winning drives.
HermitCrab, I sure hope you were being sarcastic about that. 2008 was a defensive nightmare.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 2, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey Crabbie ~ Really? Hypocrites?
1st ~ I thought taking the 15th best WR in ‘08 was a stupid move when we had other needs, and Jordy Nelson wasn’t even the best WR available! He damned sure wasn’t the best FB player available!
2nd ~ I don’t want to MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE again this year! I would rather take the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE than reach for the 5th best LT!
3rd ~ I do want a LT, but, I’d rather have the 2nd Best OLB, or the 2nd Best CB, or the 2nd Best RB, or the BEST WR, than I would the 5th best LT prospect!
If that makes me a hypocrite, I guess I am. I want what is BEST for the Packers! If TT thinks the best thing is the 5th best LT prospect, I’ll back his play. If he thinks, Dez Bryant, or Ryan Mathews, or Jerry Hughes, or Kyle Wilson is what’s good for the Packers, I’m all for it!
If he trades down, well, I guess we know he’s more interested in picks than an impact player in the 1st Round. Just always keep in mind hermitcrab, I’m a Packer Fan 1st, and foremost! Whatever is best for the Packers, that’s where my loyalties lie!
Go Pack!
didn't realize
i was calling YOU a hypocrite b-dog. i think we agreed on that jordy wasn’t a very good pick at the time.
as far as loyalties go——-my loyalties lie with a few close friends and my family, football is just a source of entertainment. just like blogging.my perspective of course.
Just guessing, crabby, but,
I’m pretty sure that BirdDog was refering to his football loyalties, rather than his life loyalties. LOL.
Right, Brent?
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The glass is more than half-full.
Yeah…at this point we have fewer needs so getting MORE picks maybe isn’t super necessary. I think if there is a player he really has a good feel aobut, TT isn’t afraid to move up to get him, that is what he showed us last year and I loved it. Then again, if we hit 23 and he isn’t big on anyone out there, don’t be surprised if he moves back. Its all about value and who they like
he moved
up last year because he had anextra early round pick. this year he doesn’t , so expect to stand still or trade down.
He traded up because there was a player he wanted that he felt could make a good impact on the team.
by TrevorR on Apr 2, 2010 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah gotcha…doesn’t matter. He has an extra pick this year in the 5th too. He’s had extra picks in many of his drafts. If he likes a player he’ll go get him, if he doesn’t he won’t.
If he’s sitting at his pick and doesn’t like anyone he’ll trade down and get more picks. It happens in the first round it happens in the 5th round. Thompson makes trades all over the board depending on who they like and if they think they can get them later or not.
Maybe our first round pick will go to the Patriots and all this discussion will be pointless.
Anything’s possible this far before the draft…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 2, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, he did.
Doesn’t make it the reason why he made that trade, though.
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The glass is more than half-full.
by NorthStarr on Apr 4, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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