Free Agency Starts: Will The Packers Lose Clifton and Kampman?
by Brandon on Mar 5, 2010 7:00 AM CST
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The rumor is already floating that the Green Bay Packers may lose LB Aaron Kampman to the Seahawks. Instead of debating the merits of retaining him, I've become resigned to losing him. He didn't receive the franchise or transition tag, he didn't like the change to a 3-4 defense, and he's probably gone. On the other hand, John over at Field Gulls isn't too excited about signing a rehabbing DE on the wrong side of 30, especially when they've already got two good young ones:
Seattle drafted Darryl Tapp in the second round of 2006. Through four seasons, he has 18 sacks. Kampman, 13.5. Vanden Bosch, four. He turns 26 in 2010. He is entering his prime. In 2009, he had 13 quarterback hurries, tied for seventh in all of football. He's improving. He's hugely valuable. He's not old man Kampman or old man Vanden Bosch, he's the next Kampman, the next Vanden Bosch.
If he gets the chance.
Lawrence Jackson is 24. He has 6.5 sacks through two seasons. Better than Kampman; better than Vanden Bosch.
I'm not sure which scout Pete Dougherty was talking to, but his source seems right on the money:
"I don’t think there’s a lot of people in the market for a Band-Aid," said a scout with an NFC team.
"There’s been a lot of left tackles drafted the last couple years," added the NFC scout. "I can come up with only two teams (that need a left tackle), or one team in the NFC, and that’s Washington."
Then Adam Schefter reports that the Redskins will meet with LT Chad Clifton on Friday. Right after he added fuel to the Kampman-Seahawks rumors fire. The estimate that Clifton might want $7.5 million per season are probably true if the Packers weren't able to resign him, and everyone knows the Redskins don't balk at big money demands.
Is it time to let both players go?
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Dear Ted,
Get your head out of your ass. Our offensive line was feeble last year, with the likes of ProBowl left tackle Chad Clifton. If you think you can compensate for his loss by drafting a tackle in the 4th or 5th round, well think again sista! There are already gaping holes in that offensive line. Spend some damn money, we all know you are capable of it, because you WAY over paid Chillar a few months ago. Oh and while we’re at you better as heck, not let: Collins, Bigby,Jolly, and Picket crawl away to other teams. Don’t you dare think you can outsmart this free agent system by not spending money. Use it wisely, but key in on the word USE it. Thanks.
-OznCoop
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
Pickett was franchised
he’s not going anywhere.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
Note to world and panic artists, false-start Cliffy can and will be replaced!
You would seriously pay this guy $20 mil, guaranteed? His best days are behind him, he is nowhere near a “ProBowl left tackle”, he is not a good run blocker, and his future snaps are very limited. Yes, he did help save the season for us this year and he deserves credit for what he provided.
Given his history of (successfully and quickly) rebuilding the whole team, it would be appropriate to just give Teddy a chance to finish the job. He has proven he can get the job done. His primary focus last off-season was the big changes on D. He did very well with it.
This year’s focus will be solidifying the O-line. Everyone is still PTSD/shell-shocked because of the O-line play last season, but there is no way the team lets that happen again.
Good luck to the Skins.
not surprised
if cliffy and kampy don’t come back but tt better have a plan. as of right now,imo, we don’t have their replacements on this roster. fans get geeked up every year for possible free agent pick ups by tt and get dissappointed in the end. it’s like waiting for christmas when you were little and wanting that BB gun so badly, but in the end you just get a pair of pajamas like duke preston.
huh?
those stats regarding kampman are all wrong, 13.5 sacks in the last 4 years?? WTF. talk about homers. I can see not replacing tapp with kampman (age/injury), but he’s better than lawrence jackson, whoever the hell that is.
I don’t mind playing hard ball with clifton and tauscher as they’re both on their last legs. I’d say its 50/50 for them to play even 3/4 of a season at this point. But you HAVE to have an alternative lined up. We can’t have another disaster on the line like last year. Wake up Ted!
Jets aquired Cromoardie for an unnamed 2011 draft choice,
really Ted? Comon, that petty cash!
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
Even so, thats a heck of a deal for the Jets.
Without a doubt the best CB tandem in the NFL.
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
I don't think it would have been a good trade
I think Tramon is as good if not better than Cromartie (Who hasn’t quite been as great since his pro bowl season). Also, take a look at Cromartie’s personality and he doesn’t seem like the type of player who would’ve liked to stay in Green Bay anyways.
by Charlie Kelly on Mar 5, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Your probably right but I still think only having to give up a 3rd rounder for him would have been worth it.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
not sure where they got 13.5 sacks in the past four seasons for Kampman
it’s 40.5 by my count.
Selgy
Ok smart guys....
I get that you want keep Cliffy, I do too, but at what cost? What is he worth to you?
After you answer that, then ask yourself how much is Washington, who is known for over spending this time of year, is willing to pay?
See, this is where all the TT haters annoy the crap out of me….you love to complain but you don’t look at the real logistics of what his happening here.
Another great example is Cromatrie. A third for a guy who has put together one good season and two bad ones. Not to mention that the two bard ones were his last two years and his one good one was his first. No, that’s not good value. You don’t blow your wad on the future and how it all works out. If you do you’ll just end up like the Bears last year or the Vikings next year with no rings and no hope of being competitive.
Here's what I would suggest
Thompson shouldn’t wait until the last minute before he tries to extend or renew, and he shouldn’t have maneuvered himself into a corner where he has no viable alternative on the roster, in case Dan Snyder decides to do something stupid. If Clifton walks, are we going to try Colledge again? Lange? Neither is a left tackle that will take this team to the Super Bowl.
Similar issue on the other side. Tauscher isn’t signed and is a free agent, and we don’t have anybody else capable of playing there (as last year demonstrated). Thompson has had five years to deal with his tackles, and he hasn’t done it.
If Favre returns, the Vikings will be competitive next year. I hope we kick their @sses, but they will be competitive.
"Neither is a left tackle that will take this team to the Super Bowl."
Neither is Clifton. I was happy with Lang playing LT last season, I even felt it outperformed Clifton there, but I’m hearing they want Lang at LG…
Tauscher is the one I want resigned because I don’t trust anyone else to play RT and he was clearly the best out there when he did play, much better than Clifton IMO.
If Clifton ends up with the Redskins and gets the money reported than congratulations to him, but he’ll never live up to the money—a trend Redskin’s fans know too well.
As far as Kampman is concerned, I’ll be sad to see him go. I think he can still be an effective 4-3 pass rusher but at what cost? And is that cost worth it? I wish him the best of luck because he was a wonderful professional in his time here.
Get out of my dreams and into my Chuckie Carr
-Molitorfan 12/23/09
By the way...
No one has answered what they would pay Cliffy….what he’s really worth.
by PackApologist on Mar 5, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
pay
i would give him 2 years 10.5 millionn.
7 mill the first year so we can keep him for at least 1 year, because we have no other options on the roster at this point.
He wants 7 mill per year
Congrats hermit you just lost Cliffy to Washington.
He wants 7 mil per year, that would be a 2 year 14 mil contract. I highly doubt he would take your 7 mil this year and 3 the next offer.
by PackApologist on Mar 5, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
you asked
the question and i gave an honest opinion on what i would pay him. i didn’t suggest that he would take the offer.
actually, tt might lose cliffy to washington , not me.
competitive?
is that our goal now? just as long as we are competitive?
i thought that to build a championship team is that if you think you are close that you add a couple pieces to take you over the perverbial hump. i guess tt doesn’t believe the team is close enough yet and we’re still in competitive mode.
There isn't a free agent....save Peppers....who will get anyone "over the hump"
Not to mention that Peppers will only get a team over the hump if he truly wants to be….and since he’s going to Chicago I don’t think he wants to be great I think he wants to be paid.
by PackApologist on Mar 5, 2010 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
doing nothing
isn’t the answer either. imo. when you have a glaring weakness and keep putting band-aids on an open wound, it aint’t gonna work. the tackle position has been problematic for a couple years now and not to mention the pass rush is non-existent other than matthews.
to get over “the hump” one would see the positions of weakness and correct them, not always through the draft with a young inexperienced player, but ith a veteren that has actually played at the nfl level.
i would like tt to give our 1st rnd pick to san diego for marcus mcneil(LT). their isn’t going to be a LT at #23 that can play from day 1. would you trust a rookie protecting the franchise. save lang playing LT, he’s a gaurd. that’s why last year during spring training he played behind colledge through-out the whole camp and never took one snap at any tackle position. he played tackle last year out of desperation, but he was projected as a gaurd for the packers, not a tackle.
Exactly, this is a very weak free agent market
Which is why I’m completely content with the Packers spending money on retaining their own proven players than take a gamble on some over the hill free agent.
by Charlie Kelly on Mar 5, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
let's not get our panties in a wad
Dude said that we need to not overspend for guys that clearly are not the final pieces of a championship team. How is that shooting solely for competitive mode?
Is had Clifton worth $7 million+?
That’s what he’s asking for, 7 mill a year probably for 3 years. Now, Clifton is the best LT on the market right now, sure….
Yes, he’s our best option at this point with out we have on our “roster” or whatever it is right now in the state of the NFL.
BUT…is he really worth that much cash? Really? Cliffy of three to five years ago of coarse, but now? He had four surgery’s last year….FOUR, and he still couldn’t stay on the field.
I’m all about bringing talent and veteran leadership to this team, but let’s take a realistic look at the costs versus what the Packers make. Since there is no owner to this team there is no war chest accept what the Pack squirrel away. They aren’t poor, but they aren’t Danny Schieder buying a new multimillion dollar toy.
My ultimate point is be realistic. Clifton only has so much value, and $7 mill plus is not it.
Yeah, you have a point here. It’s laughable that he wants a 3 year contract. Anyone who watched him last year knows he maybe has one year left in him, and that one year won’t be at a very high level of play. The bottom line though is we have NO other LT options. Unless TT is planning on trying to get either McNeil or Gaither, he better pay Clifton what he wants because we’re not going to be able to pick a LT at 23 who can come in and be able to play at the level we’d like him too.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
i agree
cliffy is not worth 7 million a year, but management backed themselves into this corner with the lack of adequate replacements for our aging tackles.
i think rodgers will have many sleepless nights if he has a rookie protecting his blind side.
i vote for mcneil(LT) from san diego if cliffy signs elsewhere.
this might be interesting for some. the average salary for a starting LT in the nfl is 5.5 million, so how much would you pay the man that is protecting the franchise. remember jennings got 3 year 27 million dollar deal and all he does is catch the football thrown by the franchise(rodgers).
Well, it looks like we’re going to lose Clifton to Washington and I’m sure Kampman will sign else where as well. The thought of Clifton wanting $7 mil a year is kind of frustrating to me. He probably has like half a good year left. I don’t think that warrants that kind of contract, especially when you consider he played average at best. He does have the leverage though because we don’t have any other LT and neither do the Redskins. I can understand why TT doesn’t want to pay him that but we have no one else to play at LT…and no Lang CANNOT play at LT and be even as good as Clifton was this year.
TT sure as hell better have some other plans in his mind for what we’re going to do at LT..at least I hope.
Lang vs. Clifton
Granted I haven’t done extensive film study, but from what I saw of Lang at LT he wasn’t that much of a dropoff from Clifton – and at times looked better. His reach and footwork look more like that of a RT, but he’d do just fine at LT for a year or two if needed. His long term home is probably at RT.
Were I GM, I’d come back to Clifton with a 4.5mil/year offer over 2, front loaded with a nice signing bonus, maybe a roster bonus before year 2. If he plays lights out in 2010, talk about a 3rd year extension.
If after 2010 the Packers decide it’s time to move on, there’s still a reasonable chance another team out there would be willing to sign him in 2011 (assuming no lockout, which no doubt is affecting our bargaining stance), yielding at least some sort of additional signing bonus. So his financial concerns should be addressable to some extent if he takes the risk of staying in GB.
The smaller contract should be offset by the lure of a much more plausible championship run in GB than in WAS. If the money’s the only thing that matters at this stage in his career (and more power to him if it is), then it’s clearly time to move on.
Really, my biggest concern is if Tauscher also goes. We cannot afford to lose both tackles.
Amen to Tausch
My hope is that we trade up and get a younger LT in the draft. The class is deep and if we make a move we may be able to get a nice solid SB window going.
My favorite idea I’ve heard so far is signing Tausch to a smaller contract for a year or two and letting him transition into an o-line coach. Something akin to what they did with Edgar Bennett. It would be great to keep in the organization.
by PackApologist on Mar 5, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
I suppose your right but Lang is still no better then average at LT, and struggled against Allen, and will struggle against Peppers if the Bears land him.
Apparently we offered him $5 mil a year for two years but he was asking for $7 mil a year. Now that Washington is interested in him we might as well just say goodbye to him now.
We really need to re-sign Tauscher. If we lose both Clifton and Tauscher, and go into the season with Lang-Colledge-Spitz-Sitton-Barbre/Ginacomini we should all start a rally to have TT fired.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
I doubt it will get to that point
Besides it would probably go something like this…..
Lang/Colledge – Spitz – Wells – Sitton – Lang/Barbre/Ginacomini
Scarier and much more possible should the worst happen
by PackApologist on Mar 5, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
I don’t think Colledge is an option. He proved to be a TERRIBLE LT this year, and in years past. The only guy who we can really even consider moving there is Lang. Your probably right about Spitz-Wells-Sitton but it really wouldn’t surprise me at this point to see Colledge remain the starter. With I think TT is praying to God that Gianconmini will pan out at RT but even that will be questionable.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
average will do for now
Clifton’s no better than average at this point as well, so why way overpay?
We should be able to gameplan for the likes of Allen and/or Peppers. We had the immense misfortune in 2009 of playing the Vikings at the start of the year when they were on fire and our O-line was a horrible horrible mess. Hopefully we’ll be more settled in 2010. And I may be in the minority, but Peppers strikes me as more smoke than fire at this point.
As for the worst-case scenario you mentioned: don’t forget the draft, and the (admittedly outside) chance of a FA pickup. This looks like a good year at tackle and guard, so we’ll probably do okay restocking the line. Unfortunately, we’d be forgoing other areas of need (OLB and secondary) if we have to fill in too many holes via the draft.
I agree paying Clifton $7 mil would be a HUGE waste of money but at this point what other options do we have? Sure, we can move Lang over there but it’s reasons like that our o-line was so bad this past year. When are we going to stop playing “the o-line lingo” game? Lang is a LG, and possibly a RT. He could be good at either position but making having him constantly jumping from spot to spot is NOT smart. Colledge was a good LG for us his first two seasons with us, and then we started throwing him around as a stopgap anytime there was a hole at any other position. Did that contribute to his HORRIBLE play this year? I don’t know for sure, but my guess is yeah, to a degree it probably did.
I’m just so sick of TT basically just throwing anyone and everyone at any position on the o-line in hopes that they’ll work out. We have a good football team but at the same time we have some needs. We out outside interior o-line and help at the Cb and SS spots. To state the obvious, that’s 4 needs, 4! If TT would go and address at least two of them we could instantly turn into a contender. But my gut tells me, like always he’ll just try and “address them through the draft.” Thing is, that isn’t the way to build a contender. Most draft picks don’t instantly come in and make an immediate impact, and by the time most do (2-3 years), there are other positions that now need addressing because of aging or injuries.
In short, he needs to pull his head out of his ass (excuse my language), and make some moves to make us a legitimate contender. It might take some big money but don’t you think a SB win could be worth it?
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
But there aren't any solid free agent options at offensive line
And although resigning Clifton might help in the short term it would have negative effects later on in that we would owe that much money to a pretty much useless player. This is a very deep draft for tackles and if we get one earlier on, it’s not impossible to think that he could be an adequate blocker.
by Charlie Kelly on Mar 5, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Then we need to make a trade for a good one who got tendered, or trade up in the draft to take Okung, Davis, or Buluga. Going to the draft to get our Day 1 starter at LT and possibly at RT is just not smart and not reliable. It could end up being the first 8 weeks of 2009 all over again.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
You guys have puffed TJ Lange into some sort of Superman
All you have to do is look at Lange and realize that he is a guard. He is not a tackle, and I refuse to accept all of these comments that he played okay at left tackle last year. He didn’t.
Weird side point...
Since we are talking about O-line troubles, my great worry recently has been mock drafts showing us picking an interior lineman with our #1 pick. Man, that would piss me off. Our interior line is fine, it’s tackle that needs to be addressed.
I saw that too. I don’t think he’d want to go to either of those teams though. Neither are really contenders at all, and it’s not like Kampman has all the time in the world for them to rebuild. I think he’ll end up with Philly or Chicago.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Don't forget about Tennessee
If Kampman was serious about reviving his career, he should go to Nashville and be coached up by the best d-line coach in the business, Jim Washburn. Plus, the Titans have a hole to fill there, after letting KVB walk.
Plus, I’d rather see him in the AFC, and not in direct competition with the Packers.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
Forgot about them! That would be a good fit for Kampman.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
He might do really well there in TN…good call. If he’s smart thats where he ends up. If he ends up on the Bears, that would piss me off. I don’t think Kamp would do that though, he’s a pretty classy guy and I think he genuinely likes GB and its fans.
I wouldn't be mad at Kamp if he went to the Bears
Because unlike a certain someone, Kamp didn’t pull any schemes or plans to get out of Green Bay. If he leaves it will be because the Packers didn’t want to resign him. Also, I doubt he would sign with the Bears with the intention of getting back at Green Bay.
by Charlie Kelly on Mar 5, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Well thats all good and stuff but I still don’t want to see him on the other side of the ball two times per year in those ugly blue and orange colors. No matter how he gets there, I don’t want to see him on their team.
I don't either
But I wouldn’t hold it against him if he was. Unlike that other guy, Kampman has proven to be nothing but a class act and I doubt he would do anything childish like try to get revenge on his former team.
by Charlie Kelly on Mar 5, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I agree…I wouldn’t hold bitterness against him. I talked about that in the Favre conversations before. I usually don’t hold it against a player if he moves on, as long as he does it the right way. I don’t like McKenzie and Walker even though they were two of my fav Packers when they were here. They put money ahead of everything and lost my respect. Not the case with Kamp…he’s just in a system where he’s not being used right and its an amicable split up.
Why would Tennessee let their own relatively healthy 30+ year old former Pro-Bowl DE leave, just to pick up our not healthy 30+ year old former Pro bowl DE?
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Mar 5, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Because KVB showed that he lost ALOT last year. Even, when KVB was at the top of his game, Kampman was still the better player, and thats probably still the case.
Its a good point though, that teams should be cautious of Kamp’s health. Though already Chicago, Tampa, and Seattle are very interested in Kamp regardless of his health.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
worst case scenario:
Lang at RT
Sitton at RG
Wells at Center.
Spitz at LG
First Round Draft Choice at LT
worst case:
Thermonuclear war, and utter collapse of civilization. Apparently, losing Clifton to an absurdly higher bidding competitor is a close second. ;-)
best case scenario
tausch at RT
sitton at RG
spitz at Center
lang at LG
mcneil at LT
draft another RT in the 2nd or 3rd round for 2011.
One positive on possibly losing Clifton...
is that its probably one less team in front of us that would be grabbing an OT then so it moves our stock up a little for getting a good OT in the draft. Just a little silver lining I guess…
Although, if it's the Redskins I'm thinking they were already gonna be drafting a QB
by Charlie Kelly on Mar 5, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
If I was Bruce Allen
if Eric Berry is there at #4, I’m taking him. Though, I probably think your right, they’ll probably end up taking a QB.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
I would take Gaither
Gaither would only cost a first, when mcneil would cost a first and third. But i would take both over clifton any day. But would tt take a chance giving up his first for proven LT.
I would take either as well but the other teams have the right to match as well. It would take a Hutchinson like contract to get either.
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Mar 5, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Julius Peppers is going to Chicago
Peppers is a nice player but that doesn’t worry me too much. Peppers plays when he wants to and now that he’s got a six year deal….
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
at least they're trying to improve their team.
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
I think it’s more Jerry Angelo trying to appease a disgruntled fan base.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
How doesn’t this worry you? Peppers is the best DE in the league. His presence alone will help Tommie Harris and Brown or Ogunleye are more then capable RDE’s. Oh and this guy named Urlacher is coming back. The Bears might be back to having a really good defense.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
The last couple years in Carolina, Peppers played with Jon Beason at MLB (definitely better than Urlacher) and Thomas Davis (about even with Lance Briggs) and a genuinely talented defense, and those were slightly above average defenses those years.
Plus I almost always subscribe to the ‘Marv Levy’ rule of free agency: The team the free agent leaves is hurt more than the team he goes to is helped.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
Davis isn’t even with Briggs but your probably right about Beason. I don’t know, I just don’t think he won’t have a big, big impact. Marinelli may be a horrible HC but he is a good DL coach. I think he’ll be able to get Peppers to apply himself.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Did you watch much Carolina last year?
If he hadn’t been lost for the year mid-year, he was playing like one of the five best linebackers in football in my estimation.
I forgot about Marinelli. He could very well end up lighting a fire under Julius that was never really fully lit in Charlotte.
Though, my point is, does this Peppers acquisition put the Bears ahead of us? I say no.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
Yeah, it’s hard to say. I mean it seems like we always struggle to a degree against the Bears. I know we beat them twice last year but the games were extremely close. Taylor will make their Martz led offense much more effective. I just hope they don’t get Rolle too.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
I would not get too worried about Chicago signing a slightly above average safety like Antrel Rolle.
Look, my big thing about these free agent acquisitions, and pretty much every single offseason move, is to take them with a grain of salt. We really don’t know anything until next season kicks off.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
I suppose your right. I just don’t see how Peppers doesn’t make that Bears defense better. Lovie’s defense is all predicated on Qb pressure. He likes to rush 4, and drop 7. His LBs are all very good at dropping into coverage, especially Urlacher. I can’t lie, I’m definitely worried about the Bears and even the Lions (as silly as that may sound.)
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
WOW
If the Bears get Peppers and the Vikings already got Jared Allen, we desperately need a LT to hold them off 4 games out of the year…
Yeah, gave him four years. Once again, this move does not particularly worry me.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
I swear to god
If I see one more person put an “e” on LANG’s name, I’m going to rage.
That being said there are 5 very highly rated LTs in this draft (7 or 6.9 grade on PFT) – one of them will fall to 23.
I do hope we keep Tauscher though.
This week has been alot of fun
NHL trade deadline on wednesday, NFL free agency on friday.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
5 LT's?
i hope your not including williams, brown or campbell in that group. they have “potential” of becoming starter quality LT’s, but next year won’t be it.
i like Lange to replace colledge at LG.
Yeah, aside from Okung, Davis, and Buluga I don’t think anyone can come in and start day 1.
Haha it’s T.J. Lang, not Lange! But yeah, he looks like he could actually be a good LG.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
sarcasm
LANGE will be a fine LG. i just want to see Archibaldcrane to rage.
Haha should have figured, my apologies!
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
If it wasn't my actual last name
It wouldn’t bother me nearly so much. ;)
Stupid silent letters.
by Archibaldcrane on Mar 5, 2010 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
the packs division
just got a little better in the last 12 hours. detroits d-line with vandenbosch and corey williams and the bears with peppers and us with no viable tackles on the roster.
RUN AARON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember that their going to draft Suh or McCoy too! We better hope we don’t go into the year with Lang at LT and Gianconmini/Barbre at RT.
by packallday555 on Mar 5, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Corey Williams?
Holmgren got rid odf Williams because he was a bitcher and a moaner.
Since the Packers traded him to the Browns, he has not covered himself in glory.
Vandenbosch is a good player, Peppers a great player but I don’t sweat Corey Williams
No he got rid of him cause he didn’t fit the 3-4 system they run. Williams is a solid-good DT in a 4-3 and you better believe he’ll be good next to Suh or McCoy.
by packallday555 on Mar 6, 2010 1:07 AM CST up reply actions
Huh? Holmgren? Williams? They were never anywhere near each other. He was traded by Thompson in 2008 because we had an “excess” of good D Lineman and he was due a HUGE contract and was deemed expendable. You should still sweat him, while he was a bust in Cleveland, he is a good 4-3 tackle. He’s not Kevin Williams but he’s a very nice upgrade for Detroit for a low price tag.
silver lining
well, with the peppers signing with the bears, at least we don’t have to worry about kampman going their anymore.
Losing Clifton
Does anyone else think that it is not a good idea to lose Clifton and/or Taucher?? Last year this offensive line led the league in most sacks allowed with the two… Now replace them with 2nd yr or Rookie players? How is that a good thing???? Oh wait, ITS NOT!!!!! Even McCarthy mentioned that yet Lang did ok, hes not ready for the starting job. Heres another jab at Retarded Ted Thompson… The NFC North now has Allen(Vikings), Peppers (Bears), Vanden Bosch (Lions)…. How can a 2nd year player handle that for 6 games, HES NOT!!!!! We better get Clifton back or find a very good Veteran!!!!
Losing Clifton
is it my mistake or did the Packers give up all those sacks with Clifton on the line? He didn’t play well, missed some games and generally kept up his pattern of drive killing offsides penalties. So other than being a Left Tackle, what is so great about him? If he is back with the Packers, he still gets schooled by Allen (and now by Peppers) so what is his upside again?
“Retarded” Thompson makes some pretty good personnel moves
I agree
I want someone else at LT, even TJ Lang is good enough for now at LT. With what went down in the last 12 hours, I think we almost have to resign Mark Tauscher at RT. We’ll then have to draft an OT high in the draft. What we do with Lang at that point is up in the air. One thing is for sure though, TJ Lang must be a starter. Whether it’s at RT, LT, or LG. I don’t care, he proved he can play either position. I’m sure we all agree he would be best at LG, we may not be able to get him there just yet.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Relax
Thompson is one of the best GM’s in the league and will get the tackle issue solved. Even with the problems of last season, #3 offense in the NFL. Ross Verba was the 30th pick in the ‘97 draft and started for a team that went to the Super Bowl. I can’t believe you’re actually worrying about the Lions free agent moves. The Bears just got better, but they had to since they have no draft. When the next CBA is signed they’ll have to dump salary to get under the cap.
Wow, we better get a LT soon
or Allen, Peppers, and Busch are going to be in a competition to see who can take Rodgers out for the season first
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
Clifton and Kampman
If Clifton gets three guaranteed years at $7 mil per year – go for it
Injury prone, penalty prone and not the player he was – There is one born every minute (that means you Snyder). Lang played as well as Clifton did last year and Clifton was in/out of the lineup. Tauscher is the glue that made everyone improve.
As for Kampman, sad to see him go but he didn’t try very hard last year. He moped and pouted all pre season and the early part of the season until Barnett and Matthews outplayed him.
i just heard Clifton was re-signed on NFL Network
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
Seriously?
I mean I haven’t seen anything on that yet. Even if we do get him back we still need to draft a LT high, maybe now it can be a little bit of a project if one of the good ones isn’t there at 23, but still need to come up with a plan.
by PackApologist on Mar 5, 2010 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
Cliffy is signed....
I guess TT did value Cliffy at the three year 7.5 mill mark. At least that’s what the Press Gazette is reporting right now.
I guess you have to overpay in a bad market when you have no other options.
Options....
TT doesn’t like playing the free agent market. I keep watching the updates knowing that the Packers will not make a splash. Like last year. Here we come draft.
by Giant_in_la_area on Mar 5, 2010 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
To me Cliffy is a splash
I know they wanted to keep him, but still….that’s a lot of money for a guy who’s average. Guess Packer fans can sleep alittle better tonight. Now all we need is a deal for Tausch and all is well.
by PackApologist on Mar 5, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
Even with what went down the past 12 hours
I’m not happy with resigning Clifton, but at least we know what we are getting out of our LT.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I'm reading 3 years, 20mil
7.5m guaranteed.
Getting him back for under 7M a year…I mean, it’s not great, but it’s less terrible than our O-Line will be without him.
Should we assume Tauscher is gone for sure then?
Nah...
Tausch isn’t in as high of demand as Cliffy was, I think the Packers were working with a very set priority list:
1. Pickett (franchised and settled for the moment)
2. Cliffy (done)
3. Tausch
4. Who knows, Collins could fall here but that’s doubtful, really at this point they will probably sit back and see who shakes out from rosters with the various transitions that are happening
by PackApologist on Mar 5, 2010 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
I think
We should take Bulaga or Campbell (whichever is left at 23), stick him at RT and let him learn. Then 2 years from now when Clifton is on crutches or whatever, we shift him over.
Clifton
Lang
Spitz
Sitton
Bulaga/Campbell
would suit me just fine. If they can get Tauscher for 2/3 years for no more than 4.5M a year, that would be ok too.
by Archibaldcrane on Mar 5, 2010 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
Phew...
Especially with the influx of DE’s in the division, it’s good to hold on to him. I’m mostly worried about Allen. Vanden Bosch is ok and I could go on and on about Pepper’s overratedness (is that a word?)
oh I have no doubt he is overrated
but with the ancient LT we have, all he would have to do is fall forward and he would get a sack
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
Thanks Ted,
it took all day, but you completed your first task of the offseason. Kudos.
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
leverage
i guess cliffy did have the leverage in this situation. nice big fat contract. not really surprised that tt gave in, he really had no other options. he was watching the division rivals get better on the d-lne today so he had to lock up cliffy.
i would say he over-paid for cliffy, but that’s what happens when you fail in trying to replace him. now rodgers can sleep a little more comfortably tonight.
that OLB in the first round is looking better. Kindle or Graham is still my pick.
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