SB Nation 2010 NFL Mock Draft 1.0
by Brandon on Mar 7, 2010 9:00 AM CST
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Offensive Line
The pick has to be somewhere on the O-line, right? Who is out there that might be available then besides Brown?
GB will draft the best player available
If DE/OLB Sergio Kindle is available, I’m sure TT will draft him. I do not have faith him Brad Jones starting next season for us. If Kindle isn’t available, then it would most likely be an OT. In all reality though, it depends upon who’s left on the board. Even if CJ Spiller falls into our lap I wouldn’t be surprised if we pick him. As long as we get an OT in Rd 1 or 2, I am happy.
Top Needs: OLB, OT, CB, S, HB
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
It is too bad Brad Jones couldn’t be average in a more need position like RT so the Sergio Kindle argument was even more valued though having less than a guaranteed starter in either tackle position with Cliffy being injury prone creeps me out.
I think we gotta give Jones a chance. He provided a decent pass rush last year as a rookie who came in and started in the last 8 games of the season. He was a 7th round pick, and didn’t even have a whole season to mature and improve. I think we forget that Matthews didn’t really come on until the later half after he’d played 8 or 9 games. Jones also played at 239 lbs. last year which is smaller for an OLB. MM has said that they are hoping he can put on 10 lbs. this offseason, and I think with an offseason under his belt he could improve his pass rush.
I’m not saying he’ll turn into Clay as far as pass rush goes but I think he could definitely be a guy who can provide a good pass rush. He did have 4 sacks in 9 games, and like I said that was in the last half of the season, which is where the guys who played the first half of the season really started to improve. We should give Jones a chance, and I’m pretty sure TT will.
by packallday555 on Mar 7, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
I hope you're right, but I'm not counting on it
In 2 of his 4 sacks he got total, they were against Ben Roethlisberger who held onto the ball for 6 and 7 seconds each. That’s not a great play on Jones, but a bad play on Ben. You’re right that he can develop, but I think he is at least a couple years development project and if he can’t provide a good pass rush this year, our D will be disected against the better teams in the NFL.
I’ve been wrong before on these players. So if we don’t draft anybody, maybe I’ll be eating my words on Brad Jones for this season. Afterall, I did eat my words on Aaron Kampman after we resigned him following the 2004 season.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I know but they’re still sacks and there are a lot of Qb’s who do hold onto the ball too long. I just think he’ll improve for sure. I guess I just don’t see how he can’t. The perfect example is to just look at Clay and his season. He really came on after he had half of a season under his belt, and just as Jones got to that point our season ended. Guys usually improve and are at their best later in the season, and Jones didn’t have that opportunity.
I really think our lack of pass rush is more due to Pickett and Jolly provided little to no push on passing plays. Against the Cardinals neither got any push on passing plays and Matthews and Jones actually did provide a rush off the edge. It don’t matter though cause Warner just took a step or two up in the pocket and bought himself more time. I think more then anything we need Raji to become that impact player, and big guy who can provide a good pass rush.
by packallday555 on Mar 7, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with your second paragraph
which is why Im hopeful for Raji
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
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Best?
Everyone is talking about us getting Spiller, but what if he is taken and Best is available. He did run a faster 40 than Spiller and would add explosiveness to the offense
That's possible, but is he a 1st Round prospect?
I thought Best was a 2nd Round prospect, but I could be wrong.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
That mock draft was published thursday, FA started Friday & completely changed the game for so many teams. So that mock draft was ineffective right away and has no real sort of “preview” of the draft. If they were smart they would have done it this week or next.
For example, JAX isnt gonna draft a DE in Rd 1 since they signed AK.
Favre 4 Ever
I Believe In Chris Drury
Hey Plusch ~
They might Draft a DE to learn behind AK… and be his back-up if the knee gives him trouble…?? I’ll bet Aaron comes back from the ACL injury… and I bet he’s a real beast in 2011… I’ve heard a lot of people say they don’t get their explosiveness back until the 2nd year after an ACL injury… Just a thought!?
Go Pack!!
It's possible Jax still drafts a DE
Carlos Dunlap will still be availalbe. He has the size Julius Peppers had when he entered the NFL Draft. However, Dunlap is from Florida, and I get a little skeptical of those Florida players. LOL.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
That mock draft
Is a mess. Top 4 OTs gone, no Kindle available. It looks like a “worst-case scenario” mock for the Packers, honestly.
I think it’s going to happen like that in the real draft as well. There are a lot teams in front of us that need OTs and Kindle has been projected by a top 15 guy consistently in most mock drafts and even top 10 in some. I think Kyle Wilson will be available, who we’ve been rumored to like but I think he might kind of be a reach. I think Spiller will be gone but Best will probably be available. The more I think about it the more I think TT is going to trade out of the 1st round.
by packallday555 on Mar 7, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe somebody could help me with this...
Who is the shortest 3-4 OLB prospect in the NFL Draft this year? The reason I ask is guys like Elvis Dumervil who are 5’ 11 are so effective with their speed rush because the OT’s are so big and tall that they can’t get their hands on them. Maybe this could start a new trend, draft short, fast, and strong OLB’s for the 3-4 as opposed to the traditional big and tall DE’s we are used to seeing.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I know Graham is like 6’0" but I’m not sure about the rest of the guys. Too add to that list, Harrison (Steelers) and Woodley are shorter guys too and provide a great pass rush.
by packallday555 on Mar 7, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
I we're on to something packallday....starting to see a trend????
Who is Graham? I’m not familiar with him.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Oh, Brandon Graham from Michigan
He’s a prototypical 4-3 DE though, isn’t he?
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Yeah, he is. It’s been said that he isn’t as fluid in his hips as most 3-4 OLBs are, so for that reason alone I hope we stay away from him. I think Kindle will be gone and for that reason I’d like to see us go after Hughes if TT decides to go in that direction. He is 6’ 2" but he ran a 4.69 as well as a good 3 cone, and is really athletic which is what you need in a 3-4 OLB.
by packallday555 on Mar 7, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Hughes
Geez, about time you guys start agreeing w/ me… LOL
I’ve been a fan of Hughes for over a month now!!! His performance at the combine is about what I expected of him, though he did better in the shuttle drills than even I thought he would. Shuttle drills are really important, cuz they demonstrate change of direction and quickness, both vital to 34 OLB. He just confirmed his status w/ me.
If Bulaga, Davis, Trent Williams are all gone I would take Hughes in a heartbeat!!!
Hey man, I always said we needed an OLB
I was just fixed on resigning Aaron Kampman and signing the best player on the board in the 1st Round. I think I’m ready to jump on the Hughes bandwaggon though, the only one I was thinking about was Sergio Kindle at the time.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Bird Dog
Hey… Your over on Bleacher report!!! But have a different screen name don’t you?!!! LOL
You sounded familiar but wasn’t sure… Whats your screen over there again?
Southern Hills Kennel or Brent Wilbur...
Just depends on where I log in from… LOL… Was wondering if you connect the dots… We don’t always agree on everything… but, most of the time we do… lol… I still think Gaithers would be awesome… so does Pat Kirwan… LOL Take care ~ We’ll be talking non-stop all year long!
dots...
Right on… Thought the kennel one but couldn’t remember the name off hand… And Brent, I didn’t connect, was curious where Southern hill kennel went! LOL
At least I don’t have to deal w/ MJ on this site… LMAO
How do you guys like Bleacher Report? I’ve been over there a couple of times and haven’t really liked it too much. I usually like Jersey Al’s stuff but some of the other guys seem like big homers and aren’t very realistic about things.
by packallday555 on Mar 8, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
BR
Bleacher Report is good. Some wanna be journalists that write articles and others like JerseyAl, that are actually quite good… I don’t find most of the articles all that interesting or well written, but for the most part I like to comment and have discussions, similar to APC… They are the two sites/blogs I visit most for discussion. Besides reading the real journalists at the news outlets.
While it is his M.O. to trade down... I don't think Ted will trade down if:
Kindle, Charles Brown, Wilson, Hughes, or Graham are still on the board when we pick… Unless he gets a lot more than our pick is worth! I’m not sure what that would be… but, I’ll leave it to TT to decide… : )
Go Pack!!
I understand why you voted down the Mock Draft selection for the Packers.
Charles Brown is a big question mark. Production is NEEDED badly from the offensive line, and having a first round pick sit on the bench, which I see Brown doing, is not going to do it.
Hopefully Clifton is 85-90% when the season comes around. But I don’t like the idea of picking Brown in the first. He’d be a good/great SECOND round selection. Just my thought.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 7, 2010 4:46 PM CST reply actions
nice of ted's mom to support him at the games
OT and OLB are the only two positions I care about us filling in the first 3-4 rounds. Then take a punter in 5-7. Those are the positions we’re really thin at. I’m not as worried about DB as most.
loss of Kampmann
The resigning of Clifton and the loss of Kampman most likely means that the Packers will be drafting the best player available who happens to play …
TT will keep with his philosophy of taking the best player available, but that doesn’t mean drafting Bradford if he would happen to fall that far, for example. It means that when he and his helpers look at their draft card/scouting report, when it comes time to pick they’ll have a few players graded fairly even (having scratched off those already picked). Then they’ll take one of those few who are graded highest and left on the board who plays in a position of need.
What this means is that if a CB, for example, that is rated high somehow doesn’t get picked, TT will likely take him. The same would be true for an OLB, an OT, a RB and maybe even for a defensive lineman. (Imagine a miracle, more or less, where Suh or McCoy fell to #23.)
The point is that TT isn’t going to zero in on a particular position need, and then settle for an OT, for example, that is lower on his draft card.
All that said, it seems to me that with the depth of quality players at OLB for a 3-4 in this draft, that this will be our most likely pick.
Without a doubt...
GB needs to come away from this draft with a solid OT, a 3-4 OLB, and some new blood in the defensive backfield.
Less than a week ago, I would’ve told you that I’d prefer to target a LT with our pick at 23. However with recent developments (Clifton re-signed, Kampman gone), I have the opportunity to reconsider. It’s not that either of these transactions were unexpected, but even so, the fact that they are now a reality allows me to assess our situation with new found clarity.
Our goals still remain the same: get a OT, OLB, and some secondary help. However, there is no longer the overt urgency to draft a tackle capable of starting on day one. For this reason, I believe TT will resort to his typical best player available/trade-down approach. This draft is incredibly deep with incredible consistency in the first few rounds. I can see us trading out of the first and maybe picking up a 3rd rounder.
"stay (green and) gold"
Clarity
This is exactly the way I saw everything playing out from the beginning of the offseason.. Except that I thought Kampman wouldn’t sign w/ anyone till close to training camp due to his injury, but I had resigned myself to the fact that he wasn’t coming back.
I figured Clifton would be back in GB…
The way things look to me now if what I figured and why I didn’t expect, nor want the Packers to take Brown in the 1st. To me he is a 2nd rd pick, he could start in a year or two, but not as a rookie. Needs being LT, LOLB and CB, and looking at the players available…
Hughes, Graham, at OLB, Wilson at CB in the 1st rd.
Brown, Veldheer at LT or one of the many 2nd rd CB if we don’t take one in the 1st.
In the 3rd, which ever hasn’t been addressed in the top 2 rds.
But that is strictly by need and ability, and doesn’t take into account a highly rated player falling to us at any of those picks!!!
Trent Williams
Clark Judge at CBS sports has the Packers taking Williams (Oklahoma, OT) at #23 in his latest mock draft. I don’t have a lot of confidence in these mock drafts, and I don’t see Williams dropping this low. But if one of the 4 tackles (Bulaga, Okung, Davis, Williams), who are generally rated as immediate starters were to become available that late in the draft, I can’t see TT bypassing them for another position where there is more depth and more possibility in a later round.
I hope TT doesn’t trade out of the 1st round. That strategy had been justified as building depth on a weak team. Now that the Packers have built a solid team, grabbing extra players in lower rounds doesn’t meet the criteria of becoming a consistent playoff team and Super Bowl contender. We need to add quality more than quantity.
Trade
Your correct about trading down to help build depth… But, there is another reason. In this draft there are considered to be about 18-20 players rated above everybody else. If all of those players are gone at 23, and the next group of pretty much equally rated players lasts into the 3rd rd, then it also makes sense to trade down get the same or equally rated player at 23, and try to get another player in that 2nd group if you can.
I havent seen Williams to the Packers before!!! And I am in total agreement w/ you… If he is on the board, or Bulaga, Davis or Okung, then they are the pick w/o a doubt!!! Those 4 OT are among the 18-20 best players in this draft!!! Williams combine performance should move him farther up the draft and I didn’t think he would last to 23 anyway!
Unfortunately, WIlliams's regular season performance was subpar at worst, average at best...
I don’t want Trent Williams. I know I’ve said this before, but the only OT I’d support taking in the first round is Bulaga. Why?
Davis has weight and work ethic issues. Both are problems that don’t just vanish overnight.
Okung had his moments, may be worth the hype. If he’s available, take him.
Trent Williams. Oh boy. He was a Pre-Season All American candidate who did NOT protect his QB (then again, Landry Jones held on the the ball WAY too long) and he pulled a great vanishing act against the only competent defensive lines in the Big Twelve. That’s not a good sign.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 8, 2010 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
Oh boy...
I totally understand on first glance about Williams! I would like him, cuz if he doesn’t work at LT, he can be great at RT. I read that Williams was a very good LT when he arrived at OU, but Loadholt was already in place. And Williams started last year w/ an ankle injury that affected him for part of the year. Then he even got moved to Center for a game or two.
Seems he never really had a chance to settle in at LT when healthy. I think he would do well at LT, but could be dominant at RT. If nothing else you’ve made two spots better if he’s a RT… RT and LG for Lang taking over for Colledge, maybe even Center if Spitz is better than Wells.
@ Stroh ~
Hey Correct me if I’m wrong… This is how I would like to see the line play out this year…
LT ~ Clif +1… Gotta get at least 1 prospect in the Draft!
LG ~ TJ LANG ~ I really don’t think he’s a LT OR RT…
C ~ Spitz ~ Wells as Back-up
RG ~ Sitton ~ (a healthy Sitton!)
RT ~ Tausch ~ +1… We have to re-sign Tausch! And probably draft another RT…
I just can’t see Breno G… or Allen Barbre… or Smith even as BACK-UPS??? Can you? MAYBE Barbre as a guard back-up??? Colledge… I heard he was nursing a high ankle sprain almost all season… If that were true and he can get back to some sort of form… I wouldn’t mind him as Lang’s back-up… I just really think we need some serious help!
Our line problems are so much worse than our Defense… Injuries tore up our secondary! If they come back healthy… and we dump BUSH… we need at least 1 good CB prospect… maybe 2… and you already know how I feel about Hughes! lol!
Go Pack!!
by Bird Dog Uni on Mar 9, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
That’s what I would hope the OL will look like next year but I don’t think that’s what will happen. I don’t think TT wants to sign Tauscher very much, which probably means Lang will be our RT going into the year. Which also would mean Colledge would be LG or Spitz would be LG with Wells at C. I think what TT really wants to happen though is have Gianconmini start this year at RT, which probably means Lang at LG.
However the OL ends up next year one thing we know for sure, is we NEED replacements at the OT positions.
by packallday555 on Mar 10, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
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I am kinda thinking Lang at RT and Colledge/Spitz at LG…
You may not think much of Breno G., Barbre now, but give it another year… Heck, maybe even this year!!! Rivera didn’t start till 3rd yr after drafted, Wahle lost a starting job, not once but 2x, before he found a home at LG. Flanagan after being injured his first 2 or 3 yrs didn’t become a full time starter till year 6!!!! OL take years to develop… I am not happy w/ Colledge after last year, but the year before he graded out the best OL on the team!! Spitz is just a good player, who needs a home…
And...
And about Davis, I don’t like him alot, but his talent is undeniable. Worth the risk to me. He’s been at a good playing wt for the past couple years.
Only problem w/ Bulaga might be arm length, though that seems to have gone by the wayside a little. He might be as good as he can get too. Scouts question if his ceiling can get higher than it is. But he is a KNOWN commodity…
I have a bad feeling about Buluga
I was thinking the same thing. For some reason, I just have a bad feeling about him. He’s a good run blocker, but he does struggle in pass protection. We can get a RT just as good as him in the 2nd Round. There won’t be any true LT’s available for us when we pick at #23.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
OLs tend to get underrated
when their QB consistently makes horrible throws. See Ricky Stanzi and Landry Jones (again)… Or Jevan Snead…
Sometimes, you can’t tell who really was to blame: The QB, the WR, the DB, or the OL…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 9, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
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