Might The Packers Trade For A Veteran On Draft Day?
by Brandon on Apr 15, 2010 8:00 AM CDT
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PrintThis isn't a post to speculate on a rumor. I was reading Sproo44's FanPost and it got me wondering if the Green Bay Packers aren't done acquiring veteran players. There are always a couple draft day trades for an established veteran, such as this one last season where the Eagles acquired CB Ellis Hobbs for two 5th round picks. It might be a small move, but they might be able to find a player they could use at the expense of a couple longshot draft picks. Using Hobbs as an example, he wasn't a great cornerback but he was a good returner, which is something the Packers could use. With all the unhappy restricted free agents who have been forced to re-sign with their previous team, some of those players might become available for a mid to late round pick.
Do you like the idea of the Packers trading picks for a veterans, or should they continue to draft young talent and keep the picks they've got?
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It would be a great option IF and I mean IF they can get a veteran who will start on day one; and improve any area the Packers need veteran playmakers.
Ravens – (OL)Jared Gaither
I would easily trade this year’s second round pick for him. He’s very talented, well coached and only 24 AND the Ravens have three starting caliber OTs, which would slightly reduce his trading value (compared to Marcus McNeil, for example).
I could see the first three rounds as follows:
1) CB like Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty in the first round, Best available (pun intended), or trade back to acquire more picks (then target Kareem Jackson, Dominique Franks or Patrick Robinson at CB)
2) Trade pick for Gaither
3) Jason Worlids or Akwasi Owusu Ansah (if we didn’t get a 1st round CB/PR/KR)
When I retire, I want to have Ted Thompson's job!
Who?
I don’t disagree that it could be beneficial, but my question is who would/could we get? Gaither? I guess I’m softening my stance on him, but it would still probably take a 1st or 2nd. Other than that I don’t know of many other players that could be on the table that would be a significant upgrade over who we have.
My biggest problem with fans this time of year is often they demand for something to be done almost for the sake of making a deal, not necessarily evaluating whether the player is really an upgrade or just different from who we already have on the roster.
Very true!!
Fans want action NOW !!! lol. To get someone just for the sake of doing it—Does not make sense. The Pack is CLOSE to winning it all…believe me. As a fan for over 50 years; I have been through it all—-And I LOVE IT !!!
Who Is a great question.
As the article stated—there may be some signed restrictive free-agents out there the Pack could give up some draft picks for; not necessarily current free-agents which are not that good when you look at the list. I do believe TT has done this in the past??
Players that are "on the block"
The following is a list of players rumored to be “on the block” right now. Who do you like? Who would you like to see the Packers trade for?
- Redskins – (QB)Jason Campbell
- Vikings – (QB)Sage Rosenfels
- Jets – (QB)Kellen Clemens
- Buccaneers – (QB)Josh Johnson
- Buccaneers (QB)Byron Leftwich
- Ravens – (QB)Troy Smith
- Cowboys – (RB)Marion Barber
- Dolphins – (RB)Ronnie Brown
- Bills – (RB)Marshawn Lynch
- Jets – (RB)Leon Washington
- Cowboys – (RB)Tashard Choice
- Dolphins – (WR)Ted Ginn Jr.
- Seahawks – (WR)Deion Branch
- Saints – (WR)Lance Moore
- Giants – (WR)Sinorice Moss
- Ravens – (WR)Demetrius Williams
- Buccaneers – (WR)Michael Clayton
- Steelers – (WR)Limas Sweed
- Bears – (TE)Greg Olsen
- Redskins – (TE)Chris Cooley
- Broncos – (TE)Tony Scheffler
- Cowboys – (TE)Martellus Bennett
- Bears – (TE)Desmond Clark
- Chargers – (OL)Marcus McNeill
- Buccaneers – (OL)Donald Penn
- Rams – (OL)Alex Barron
- Ravens – (OL)Jared Gaither
- Saints – (OL)Jammal Brown
- Dolphins – (OL)Justin Smiley
- Chiefs – (OL)Brian Waters
- Ravens – (OL)Chris Chester
- Patriots – (LB)Adalius Thomas
- Browns – (LB)D’Qwell Jackson
- Vikings – (DE)Ray Edwards
- Giants – (DE)Osi Umenyiora
- Redskins – (DE)Andre Carter
- Chiefs – (DE)Glenn Dorsey
- Redskins – (DT)Albert Haynesworth
- Browns – (DT)Shaun Rogers
- Rams – (DT)Adam Carriker
- Eagles – (CB)Asante Samuel
- Raiders – (CB)Nnamdi Asomugha
- Panthers – (CB)Richard Marshall
- Rams – (S)O.J. Atogwe
- Redskins – (S)LaRon Landry
- Bills – (S)Donte Whitner
- Jaguars – (S)Reggie Nelson
http://thesportingreview.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/2010-nfl-players-on-trading-block/
by TrevorR on Apr 15, 2010 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
- Jets – (RB)Leon Washington – Third down back and return guy…invaluable!
- Dolphins – (WR)Ted Ginn Jr. – Strictly for returning kicks…very exciting return guy
- Patriots – (LB)Adalius Thomas – What is the cost though? He was GREAT with the Ravens
- Eagles – (CB)Asante Samuel – Couldn’t possible STILL be on the blocks after the Eagles shed two more??
- Panthers – (CB)Richard Marshall – I don’t know much about him, looks like nice stats…
All the safeties are considered FS, not SS so I don’t know if any of them would fit in our system.
Could OL guys could make sense too McNeil? Gaither? Penn? Not sure we are in the market for acquiring one after resigning both our guys though. I am sure this is a position we’ll draft at.
Don't go for Ginn accept on the cheap
Since the phins are trying so hard to get rid of him I would wait. Hell, they may even cut him and then we wouldn’t have to part with any additional compensation as well.
by PackApologist on Apr 15, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
We do need to trade for him
I’m not advocating a trade for Ginn (although I do think a third day pick would be worth it). But, you have to understand that if the Pack don’t trade for him, they won’t get him. Ginn is not a vested veteran, so he would not become a UFA upon being cut, rather he would have to pass through the waiver wire. Teams are given priority on the waiver wire based on their previous year record. The Pack with an 11-5 record would not get a sniff at Ginn on the waiver wire system because a team with a worse record (Chicago, Carolina, Seattle) with serious needs at WR would put in a waiver wire prior to the Pack being able to acquire him. So the question isn’t how could the Packers acquire him, but is the price in a trade worth acquiring him.
Michael Clayton?
According to who? Bucs are so weak at WR that they cant trade him even though he sucks.
I'd make a move for Reggie Nelson and end any talk of drafting a CB in the first round.
But the price has to be right. Could the Packers get him for a third round selection?
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 15, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Ouch
I don’t think he’s terrible, but he’d be a better fill-in if either starting CB went down or as the 3rd CB in nickelback situations.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 15, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe not terrible but really bad.
Hes the worst tackling safety in the league and doesnt do anything else very good. Hes not worth a draft pick.
Interesting
I’d love to get Ronnie Brown, Marshawn Lynch, or Leon Washington. The 2nd two guys probably wouldn’t come at all that high of a price either.
Gaither and McNeil would be interesting but I doubt we ever go that route.
Richard Marshall or Samuel could be interesting. Though Samuel would probably be really expensive, which is also why I didn’t list Nmadi.
Atogwe, Whitner, or Nelson would all be huge upgrades over Bigby. Atogwe is the guy I’d be most interested in, and I’ve seen some places that he could come pretty cheap.
One guy to maybe consider would be Jackson. I doubt we do it because between Hawk, Chillar, and Bishop it doesn’t seem like we have a whole lot of room on the roster. Jackson is a proven 3-4 ILB though, and would be a huge upgrade over Hawk.
by packallday555 on Apr 15, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Washington is the only one I'd go for
I’m not sure about Brown and how he’d fit and Lynch could be great or he could just get kicked out of the league. Washington is very interesting from his return and mismatch ability though I will admit.
by PackApologist on Apr 15, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Washington but if we’re going to give up a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him (just my guess) then I would almost prefer we go after Lynch, who would probably be worth the same price, and is a guy who could become our full time starter. Yes, he has discipline problems but he would be a big upgrade over Grant.
by packallday555 on Apr 15, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Washington
No way would it cost a 2nd or 3rd rounder. 5th maybe 4th. He is coming off a pretty major injury. Also Lynch wouldnt be an upgrade over Grant.
Oh, your probably right Washinton had an ACL tear last year didn’t he?
Lynch would be an upgrade over Grant. There is no way Grant is better then Lynch is. I think a lot of people, us Packers fans especially, overvalue Grant. The guy really is nothing more then average. Average speed. Below average quickness. Below average vision. Below average strength. If we gave Brandon Jackson 312 carries this next season I bet you he could put up 1, 100-1,200 yards.
by packallday555 on Apr 15, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Right. Grant’s always solid, occassionally spectacular, and he’s an unassuming, good guy. Lynch, on the other hand, is always crazy, occassionally productive, and a jerk by all accounts.
So, while I don’t mind the idea of adding a RB, either through free agency (Westbrook), the draft, or both, I’d still have to say I’m fine with Grant. He’s good. Is he great? No, not consistently (although he is sometimes). But I’d rather cheer for and read about a guy who breaks a big run now and then as opposed to a guy who breaks the law now and then.
Lynch was good his rookie year. Now he’s more of a run-into-the-pile-and-fall-down guy.
by Curly Lambeau on Apr 15, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I’d still have to say I’m fine with Grant. He’s good. Is he great? No, not consistently (although he is sometimes).
I respect you a lot Curly, and usually agree with the things you say but this ^!? I just don’t know. I don’t think I’ve seen Grant play great since 2007, and I’ve only seen him play good for the last 4-5 games in 2008 and 2009. He just is so soft, and usually the softer Rb’s have tremendous speed or quickness to kind of make up for that but Grant doesn’t at all.
Maybe I just have a disliking for the guy (as a football player) but it seems to me that he accerlates slowly, has no vision, and runs soft. I’m not necessarily saying Lynch is a guy we should for sure consider or go after. I just think we need an upgrade over Grant, and to me Lynch just happens to be a guy that would be just that.
by packallday555 on Apr 16, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry but Lynch is just not an upgrade
the stats do not lie. The guy is also trouble. He is not worth it.
Well, thanks for disagreeing so nicely.
But, yeah… I disagree. Look, Grant’s no Barry Sanders. But he is good. He’s like Dorsey Levens, maybe a little better, I’d say, since I think Grant’s faster than Levens was.
Maybe your impression of him comes from 2008 when his hamstring wasn’t right all year. But I’ve never seen him be “soft.” I mean, again, yeah, I admit that he’s not a guy that you’re going to construct the offense around, but so what? If we had a guy like that, he’d be a disruption, since our offense is geared around the pass.
Ryan Grant does his job well. Period. Why fix what isn’t broke?
by Curly Lambeau on Apr 16, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Stats aren’t everything though, and even if you do look at stats, I think they still go in Lynch’s favor. He hasn’t ever had more rushing yards then Grant but he also hasn’t ever gotten nearly as many carries. He’s averaged more ypc then Grant has over his career, and is a much better receiver and blocker then Grant.
And it should be mentioned that the Bill’s have finished 30th, 25th, and 30th the last 3 years in total offense. Their passing game with Losman and Edwards has left something to be desired to say the least, and their OL may have been worse then ours was this year in 2008 and 2009.
Maybe you guys are right about his legal issues. Maybe those problems outweigh the talent he has but I don’t think there is anyway you can compare he and Grant, and conclude Grant is better.
by packallday555 on Apr 16, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Stats go in Lynch's favor?
Not at all. Check out the rushing averages Grant: 2007 – 5.1, 2008 – 3.9, 2009 – 4.4, career – 4.4. Lynch: 2007 – 4.0, 2008 – 4.1, 2009 – 3.8, career – 4.0.
But as you said I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
He was great in 07’, decent the past 2 years. His 4.4 ypc was simply a result of teams completely playing our pass game. I think Lynch’s numbers are more impressive when taking into account his teams woes but yeah, we’ll just agree to disagree.
by packallday555 on Apr 17, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
The only way I have interest in lynch is if they think the can supplant Grant and I don’t know that he could. Something wasn’t right with him last year. Same crappy team but worse results. I don’t think he’d be a happy camper as a third down back on the team though…and I don’t know that he’d be happy living in GB.
You know that I am NOT one who over values Grant but honestly with the system, its hard to know if Lynch could adjust to run with our zone blocking.
i'm not crazy about grant
How many runs over 15 yds did he have last yr? Maybe the o-line has something to do with that but I think he’s lost a step or 2. He can slug it out but never hits a homer.
by bigbill992001 on Apr 15, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Go back and watch the way he ran against the Vikings and the Bears
He just seems to be more fired up for some games and less for others…
When I retire, I want to have Ted Thompson's job!
That’s the problem. He screams inconsistency. Against the Vikings it looked like he was a rag doll. Winfield and Henderson blew him up countless times, and really so did a lot of the teams we played.
The guy had good stats, yes. But we need to keep in mind that he got a lot of carries, and that a fair amount of his yards came at the end of games where we already had the victory in hand.
by packallday555 on Apr 16, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
The only way I have interest in lynch is if they think the can supplant Grant and I don’t know that he could. Something wasn’t right with him last year. Same crappy team but worse results.
He was treated a lot differently this past season by the Bills and rightfully so. When he was suspended those 4 games Fred Jackson came in, and did a really good job. I’m sure they figured hell, Jackson is playing just as well as Marshawn would, only he doesn’t have any legal issues.
Lynch got only 120 carries in 12 games this season, as opposed to the 250 carries he got in 2008. It seemed pretty obvious that the Bills were/are leaning towards making Jackson the featured Rb. I think this has more to do with Lynch’s legal troubles as opposed to his actual on the field play but who knows.
When looking at Lynch’s play I don’t think there is any question he is a great Rb. He’s a good runner, and probably just as good of a receiving threat. He’s averaged 4.1 ypc in his 3 seasons with Buffalo which is impressive to me when considering how bad their OL has been and how non-existent their passing game has been.
by packallday555 on Apr 16, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Brown would fit alright with us. He is a shifty guy, who has pretty deceptive power and size. All of those qualities bode well in the zone blocking scheme.
by packallday555 on Apr 15, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah, Brown would have to be THE guy, he’d have to be paid accordingly, and he always gets hurt. The combination of those three things makes him a bad fit, despite his amazing talent. Y’know, it’s not fantasy football.
As for Marshawn Lynch, I think Grant’s more explosive and a better all-around back.
Washington’s still got enough to prove that he would be content with a decent salary (which, the question of “who makes more” can be very disruptive in the locker room) and he might accept a part-time role. And, the biggest thing… he’s a really good kick returner. Not to mention that the Jets probably wouldn’t mind parting with him too much given Shonn Greene’s emergence. He’s a perfect trade target.
by Curly Lambeau on Apr 15, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The Bills want a second for Lynch (according to reports) and for our needs, that just isn’t good for us. I don’t think we could give him enough time to keep him happy and out of trouble. Plus who knows how he would react to living in GB.
Leon Washington would be a GREAT pickup. I would give up a pretty high pick to get him because not only would he be a great 3rd down back for us but he’d be a great returner too!! He fills two needs on the team with one pick. He’s coming off a serious injury though so you have to take that into account.
If we could get Lynch
with a 3rd (and our pick isn’t a high 3rd), I’d be interested. He’s got talent, he’s only 26, and we need a reliable 2nd back. He’s got some personality issues, but hopefully a change of scenery and playing for a winner would straighten that out.
by Archibaldcrane on Apr 15, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Ted Ginn is off the list.
just got traded to SF.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Apr 16, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, only for a fifth!
Man, that wouldn’t of been a bad trade. Oh well.
by PackApologist on Apr 16, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Weird thought
I doubt this is a big deal, but do you think the phins would of tried to get more from us because we would of played them this year?
by PackApologist on Apr 16, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I say we trade for Sage
The Vikings don’t know what they have with him, I see a superstar in the making.
by Charlie Kelly on Apr 17, 2010 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Asante Samuel and Nnamdi Asomugha
are two that interest me. But who knows what there teams would want for them.
An outlandish scenario
So I was just thinking to myself that what could be very interesting would be if the Packers traded down, got some extra picks in the 2-4 rounds and then trade a few of those extra picks for a guy like Gaither or Penn. That wouldn’t be too bad actually.
Wow, interesting list, TrevorR
There’s a lot of guys who would interest me there.
Leon Washington would probably be the best fit considering GB’s particular team needs. Of the realistic players on that list (Haynesworth and Asomugha are obviously not realistic), Ronnie Brown’s probably the most talented player there. …but I wouldn’t say he fits our team.
I wouldn’t mind us trading, say, a third round pick for a LT. I’ve been saying we need to draft a guy, but honestly I’m a little hesitant about James Campen’s ability to coach up a young guy who needs somebody to teach him the pro game from the ground up. I’d be more confident with a veteran player who’s going to be able to recognize when his coach is full of crap and when he’s not. Campen’s seems like the Randy Wright of coaches. He’s your guy, and he’s not that great, but you’ve got some history with him so you don’t fire him.
ah Randy Wright
Man I totally forgot about him. Those were the days weren’t they?
by PackApologist on Apr 15, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah…
I thought about going with Perry Kemp but I thought people might not remember him. Or Don Bracken. Year after year, these guys just kinda’ hung around… not completely awful, not like “cover-your-eyes” bad, but just… bleh. But they could never find anybody better, so there they were. Or Mark Murphy is a guy you could include here too. …or Ed West. Just a lot of remarkably average guys from those years.
by Curly Lambeau on Apr 15, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
well those were also the days when the Pack was just a cash cow.
It was almost an effort in futility since so many in control of the Pack just saw the butts in the seats and the swag being sold, so they didn’t care what kind of product that was being shuffled out there.
by PackApologist on Apr 15, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks…I thought producing a list of players “rumored” to be on the blocks might help to get some more conversation going. Looks like it worked. After posting it, 2 or 3 hours later there were like 25 new comments! haha
Where is Strohman and the others…curious to hear what some of them think!
Whatever happened to Packer Haiku?
Packer Haiku wrote
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But where has he gone?
by I voted for Kodos on Apr 16, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Haha good question. I loved that guy haha.
by packallday555 on Apr 16, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
reasons
I am not opposed to bringing in anyone who can help. But Gaither has issues related to his effort level and professionalism. He doesn’t take the game serious enough… It was a reason he wasn’t a 1st rd pick. And his does NOT fit the zbs at all… Nope, not interested!
Lynch has too many off the field issues for Thompson to take a chance on… I doubt Thompon would give even a late rd pick for him. Might be a major pain if he’s not getting enough touches…
Ginn is a one trick pony… He’s a HORRIBLE WR. Only thing he has is some return ability. If he was even a decent WR he would be worth it… Of course if he was even a decent WR he wouldn’t have been available! LOL
If Washington were not injured he would be a hot commodity!
Have I missed anyone?!!! LOL
by Strohman on Apr 17, 2010 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ravens – (OL)Jared Gaither
I would easily trade this year’s second round pick for him. He’s very talented, well coached and only 24 AND the Ravens have three starting caliber OTs, which would slightly reduce his trading value (compared to Marcus McNeil, for example).
I could see the first three rounds as follows:
1) CB like Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty in the first round, Best available (pun intended), or trade back to acquire more picks (then target Kareem Jackson, Dominique Franks or Patrick Robinson at CB)
2) Trade pick for Gaither
3) Jason Worlids or Akwasi Owusu Ansah (if we didn’t get a 1st round CB/PR/KR)
When I retire, I want to have Ted Thompson's job!
Gaither
If we can get Gaither for a second I’d be very happy. Very very happy.
Then they could use the first for a top-tier pass rusher – if they’re sure Brad Jones won’t become one. If they think he can be a good pass rusher go with Iupati, Thomas, or another 0-lineman.
Leon Washington, D’Qwell Jackson, O.J. Otogwe or Marcus McNeil would be worth a third to me.
I’d also be happy to trade a late-round pick for a returner like Ginn.
by I voted for Kodos on Apr 16, 2010 12:51 AM CDT reply actions
I think giving up our 3rd or 4th to get Leon Washington would be a tremendously smart move as he’d fill two lower profile needs on the team at a pretty cheap price. He’s still young and if not for the injury, he’d probably be worth a 2nd so we’d be buying on the cheap. I would have been very much up for Ginn too…especially at the price of a 5th rounder.
3rd and 4th for a guy coming off a major injury?
Thats too way too risky and overpriced. A 5th rounder alone would have been enough.
How about Darren Howard?
He’s not a bad player, he could come in at 3-4 DE, and he’s not going to be too expensive. The Eagles let him go earlier this offseason.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 17, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Free Agency
Ted, are you listening? With a single signing to fill a position of need, we could have an outstanding draft day!
Going to say it again
Signed two free agent tackles this year.
Extended two more contracts at positions of need, one for a two time pro bowler.
I know it’s not what people expect, but these are critical signings that allow us flexibility come draft day so we don’t have to make reaches come draft day.
by PackApologist on Apr 16, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
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