Schefter: Packers To Move Up In The Draft?
by Brandon on Apr 20, 2010 7:01 AM CDT
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PrintWill the Green Bay Packers move up in the 1st round? From Adam Schefter:
Packers, Eagles have expressed interest in trading up to 10-12 range.
stedtfeld got this conversation going with a Fan Post. I spent most of last night trying to figure out who they might move up and draft. I'd been surprised this offseason by how few mock drafts expected the Packers to target a pass rushing outside linebacker. It seemed like I've been one of the few to do so, but in the past day the Press-Gazette and the Journal-Sentinel have both had stories about outside linebackers. Maybe the winds are changing. Or maybe not because I don't see any reason why they'd have to move up to No. 10 or No. 12 overall for a pass rushing LB. There should be many good players available if they just stand pat. But here's who they might consider at No. 10 overall:
- South Florida DE Jason Pierre-Paul. While they don't have to move up for a pass rushing outside LB, if they think he's their man then they'll have to move up to draft him. He's usually projected to go before the Packers spot at No. 23. I hope he's not there man. He only played one season at South Florida, so I don't trust that his 2009 production was real.
- Georgia Tech DE Derrick Morgan. If he's the man then they'll have to move up for him. He's been a great player over the past two seasons, and was named 2009 ACC player of the year. Trading up for him would be a good move.
- Boise State CB Kyle Wilson, Florida CB Joe Haden. Wilson has been moving up the boards, maybe into the top ten, while Haden's stock been up-and-down since a poor combine. If the Packers want either then they may have to move up to No. 10 make sure. I'd like either at No. 23, but I'm not sure about moving up for them.
- Texas SS Earl Thomas. He's often projected for the Jaguars at No. 10, and the rumor is the Jaguars want to move down. So this one might make some sense. He's not a huge guy, but he's a good tackler and good in coverage. While he'd help provide depth and possibly become the extra CB in the nickel or dime package, his arrival would signal the eventually departure of SS Atari Bigby. Eventually he'd also tie up a lot of salary cap room at safety along with FS Nick Collins's new, big contract. I'm not sure I'd like this move.
- Not an offensive lineman. The top 3 offensive tackles (Russell Okung, Bryan Bulaga, and Trent Williams) are widely expected to go in the top 6 to 8. Trading up to No. 10 wouldn't bring any of those players home. It's possible that after those three are selected, no other offensive lineman is drafted until the Packers spot at No. 23.
- Anyone else I haven't discussed. If I haven't discussed someone else it's because I expect they'll be drafted before No. 10 overall or it's possible they'd still be available at No. 23.
Overall, it appears that moving up in the draft would mean they are moving up for a defensive player. It could go either way whether that means a defensive back or an outside linebacker. I don't know whether trading up is a good move, it's hard to say without knowing what they'd have to give up in return. But I'm certainly open to the idea.
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Derrick Morgan
The NFL Network says he is not a good fit for the 3-4 defense so I doubt it would be for him.
Is it possible the Packers would move up if Spiller was still on the board at 10? RG25 has had a couple of good years, but based on the reports I’ve read, Spiller could add a new dimension to the offence.
Personally, I don’t see it happening, especially with either Charles Brown or Anthony Davis likely to be there when we come to pick. It’s fun to speculate though!
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I like Spiller and think he would be a great fit
But I think RB is more of a luxury than a need and you don’t trade up for a luxury unless all your needs are met.
by Charlie Kelly on Apr 20, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Spiller
I’m just assuming he’s gone to the Seahawks at No. 6, but who knows. Even if he was available, I’m not sure there’s enough ball to go around for RB Ryan Grant and Spiller. Grant’s a lock for 300 carries in 2010, so there’s not much left over for Spiller. I’m not sure how he’d make an impact in 2010.
I’d be shocked if they traded up for a safety. The recent track record for highly-drafted safeties is not very good. Why draft a safety that highly when you can get a guy later in the round or the draft who goes on to be that stud safety you’re looking for?
Drafting a safety in the top ten is a major luxury – one I don’t think the Packers can afford with significant needs elsewhere.
lets just hope that interest in Dez Bryant wasn’t real. What about Brandon Graham?
They want power. We want respect...
I would love it if we selectred Kyle Wilson
It seems like he’d be a great fit for our defense, and would give us really solid options in case of injury or Harris not coming back.
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
Pretty sure Morgan and Pierre-Paul are strictly 4-3 DEs.
They don’t have the lateral quickness to drop back in coverage.
If they’re trading up to target an OLB, I think it would have to be Brandon Graham.
Selgy
I think the thing to keep in mind is that the information you and I have is all speculation from writers. What Thompson knows is likely real intel on what other teams are truly leaning toward and thinking about. While we like to think we know a lot about what teams are thinking about and doing, most of what we hear “leaked to the media” is done intentionally to throw people off the scent. Holmgren recently admitted it as well.
Another thought…sure anyone could still be available at 23 but they likely won’t be. If they feel like a certain OT is their guy and someone at like 15 is leaning toward him, then moving up to get him makes sense. Just cause he could fall doesn’t mean he will. Somehow these guys seem to find out great tells on teams and that is usually when moves are made.
Derrick Morgan
Is not going to play 3-4 OLB, so there’s no way it’s him.
I could see them moving up a handful of picks to draft Brandon Graham, but not all the way to 10. He’ll be available around 15. I can see why TT and all would be in love with him, but I tend to think he’s a little too much like Kampman. We need a better athlete at that spot, someone like…HUGHES!
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With the 23rd pick in the 2010 draft............ Running back
I dont see the Packers moving up at all. I think that more than one excellant player will be available. I dont think we shoulddraft a OT G in the first round. Our luck with first round offensive lineman speaks for itself. we have other concerns to look for with pleanty of good tackles and guards coming to us in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. We need RB CB Saftey and OLB lots of needs and so few picks. Personally as I have said before we need that threat of a breakaway runner. Grant is good but we need that threat that just says TD everytime he walks on the field. Best, Spiller, Dixon all very capable of being that back. They may want to wait till the second round and hope Gerhart falls into thier laps but i dont think we ain anything there he is not any faster than grant but he would make a better starter than jackson.
Dixon is slow.
I can’t see Spiller falling to us at #23 and Best has pretty big injury concerns.
I can see maybe getting some value out of a 3rd down back like Joe McKnight in the 4th round or so.
Selgy
I would trade down. Getting 3 picks in the second round in this deep a draft would be huge. then we could take a corner, tackle & olb. a running back in 3rd, and a safety in the 4th.
I would target Koa Misi DE/OLB & Ricky Sapp, Charles Brown & Jared Veldheer OT, Brandon Ghee & Devin McCourty.
And if Taylor Mays falls to them in the second round, I would take him, straight away. I know he’s not a cover guy, but he could line up close the LOS, help in run support and blitz with his speed… then he could slowly learn how to cover. He should be smart and very coach’able.
And Toby Gerhart in the 3rd.
So if could choose(also called wishful thinking ;) )
Mays, Brown & Sapp in the 2nd round and Toby in the 3rd.
But i don’t think that would ever happen, sadly.
I think if the packers do trade up it will be if joe haden is avalible. Also if mccourty because alot of people are saying he could be a top pick. If they do trade its not going to be for a linebaker because grahm will most likely be avalible by our pick if not we will get hughes which would be great in my opinon. But if we do its going to be for joe hadden or kyle wilson if they see them getting picked up before our 23. But you also gotta figure whoever is at number 10 isnt just going to give us the number 10 pick sraght up. We will prolly have to give up our 2nd or 3rd or possibly both i say stay put whatever happens happens im sure hughes davis wilson mccourty one of them will be here at our pick.
by Adam Tarasievich on Apr 20, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions
Brian Westbrook
I read that the Packers are looking into signing Westbrook if we don’t get what we want in the draft.
I say sign him up and then we don’t have to worry about RB this year or next year. Give him a deal that is heavy this year and lighter for the next year or two so we take the hit in the uncapped year. He should love it…no one else is kicking those tires from what I’ve seen. I wasn’t a HUGE fan of bringing him in early on, but now that he’s been humbled a little bit and might come on the cheap, I am okay with it. I just really don’t want to see him unconscious on the ground at Lambeau. Part of me just wants to shake him and tell him to retire so he can enjoy life with his family down the line!!
Westbrook
I read that too but there you have that concussion problem. do we really want that problem. I like Ricky Sapp he could fill that OLB spot that we need . It is also looking like Dexter McCluster is falling way down the charts I dont even see him in the top 10 RB’s anymore.
I’ve read about so many guys who “could go in the top 15” that it makes my head spin. It seems like there’s about 50 guys who could go in the top 15! (and, before you ask me to list them… don’t)
It sure seems to me like, whoever gets taken 1-22, the result is that there’ll be several choices left with first-round talent. In other words, there’s no reason whatsoever to trade up. If anything, you trade down. But it’s also easy to outsmart yourself with slick moves like that. We should take the guy who falls to us and move on.
That said, if we do trade up, it should be for an elite LT prospect. (which I don’t think we really need, since Clifton gives us the cushion we need to coach up a less-polished guy as long as he’s got the talent)
In summary, I think that the #23 slot is perfect for us to get a legit 1st rounder who will avoid some of the hype that usually goes along with – and can easily derail – a 1st round pick (see Hawk, AJ (who’s had a very nice career so far but gets blasted just because he was drafted in the top ten and has a cool-sounding name, and so everybody expects him to be Lawrence Taylor or he’s automatically a bum. I mean, holy crap, he’s a good player… leave him alone. Not every 1st rounder is going to set the world on fire.) And, in conclusion to my summary, let me say this: Brett Favre sucks.)
EXACTLY. that is why I don’t get into speculation when we are so far down. There are probably 30-35 players that we could reasonably think could be “the guy” so why get all in a tizzy. When we are sitting at 7, the talk is worth it cause there is so much less that could happen in that time. For all we know, Al Davis could have another crazy moment and take Hughes well before our turn…don’t say he couldn’t do it. We all know how crazy that team is! haha
TT going after Spiller would shock me, but in a good way
Trading up for DB, LB, or OT makes the most sense since TT would like a starter at those positions, However, even though there are some highly graded RBs they can draft later, Spiller would be a steal. Seattle needs Spiller desparately, but may roll the dice and hope he falls to their 2nd first round pick.
TT may be high on someone at all three of those need positions. But why move up that high for a LB when they can jump, oh, 5 spots and get Kindle?
kindle a bad example
since most project him likely to be available, but I was just making the point that jumping to 10 – 13 is bold when a smaller jump could cost less and land someone to fill these needs – unless it’s Spiller
Either way, we must go BPA...
would absolutely love the jump for Spiller. Also possible Mays will be there at 23.
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It will be a steal.
The guy has a motor, and Thompson really loved that about Matthews. He would be a great prospect for Kevin Greene to work with at outside linebacker.
I love Schofield too.
If he recovers well he’ll be a steal and a beast. He’ll probably be there in the last three rounds due to the nature of his injury.
Selgy
14 is the more likely place...
I can’t see us giving up all our picks in rounds 1-3…just not something he’d do, but he might give up his second again to move up to say 14 and make a trade with his old buddies in Seattle.
Apparently the Raiders like Lupati at 8
so maybe a legit LT could be had 10-12.
They want power. We want respect...
OT
If we move up it had better be for an elite OT…otherwise why bother giving up the 2nd rounder who will probably be 90% of any LB/corner we select at 12?
Trade Up
If the Packers trade up the ONLY position they will be looking at is LT!!! Its the ONLY pick that would make sense… A top LT like Okung, Williams or Bulaga.. Maybe Davis… I think you stay at 23 and likely get Brown and Campbell.
Persanally I would take Hughes at 23 and move up in the 2nd to get Veldheer if you don’t think he’ll be there at 56.
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