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Packers NFL Draft Grades, Day 3, Round 4 through Round 7

For the Green Bay Packers, Day 3 was actually only rounds 5 through 7 because they traded away their 4th round pick to move up and select S Morgan Burnett in the 3rd round. But thanks to an additional 5th round compensatory pick for the loss of DT Colin Cole to free agency in 2009, they still had four picks on Saturday. 

There are some areas they didn't address. They allowed 51 points to Arizona in the NFC Wild Card playoff game but didn't draft a pass rusher to replace DE Aaron Kampman and they didn't add a cornerback. They didn't draft a punter or a kick returner to help their awful special teams. All true. But I'm not surprised they didn't draft a linebacker. While I hoped they would, unless GM Ted Thompson is willing to give up on either LB he drafted in the 1st round (Hawk and Matthews), any of the LBs he's signed to multi-year extensions (Barnett, Poppinga, and Chillar), or any of his other recent draft choices (Jones, Bishop, and Thompson), it seemed unlikely they'd add a 9th LB to that mix. With CB Pat Lee and CB Will Blackmon returning from injuries in 2010, it's not surprising they didn't feel like they needed to add a cornerback. And it's a weak year to draft a punter. I don't agree with all those reasons, but at least it makes some sense.

These rounds are the time to add depth. They've recently done a good job finding starters in the late rounds (DE Johnny Jolly, FB Korey Hall, LB Brad Jones) but usually these rounds provide depth. And sometimes the depth isn't even that promising. So keep that in mind when evaluating these picks: they aren't likely to provide much to the team.

Star-divide

5th round, No. 154 overall. Penn State TE Andrew Quarless. With three TEs currently on the roster, it didn't seem necessary to draft another one who "is not very aggressive when blocking" and went through an alcoholic rehab program just to stay on the team at Penn State. The only way I can justify it is by saying that they added a receiver. Starting TE Jermichael Finley is just as much a receiver as tight end, so Quarless may give them more flexibility with Finley. And Quarless is 6'4" 254 lbs. with 4.69 speed in the 40, so he could be mismatched against smaller DBs and slower LBs just like Finley. He's far from my favorite pick in recent years, but I'm willing to give him a chance. Grade: C.

5th round, No. 169 overall. TCU LT Marshall Newhouse. Another head scratcher. After drafting a future LT in the 1st round, they went and drafted a LT project in the 5th round. Here's my best spin on the selection. He's been a starter the past three years at TCU and the Packers might have serious depth problems on the line in a year or two if Clifton and Tauscher decline rapidly, and Colledge and/or Spitz leave as free agents. His biggest problems seem to be technique and awareness of schemes, which can be fixed by coaching. However you can't teach a guy how to be 6'4", 319 lbs. with an arm length of 34 inches (longer than Bulaga). He's an interesting tackle project. Grade: C.

6th round, No. 193 overall. Buffalo RB James Starks. He's my favorite Day 3 pick. One thing I realized when I considered the possible signing of RB Brian Westbrook was that the Packers might be in real trouble if anything happened to RB Ryan Grant. Westbrook sure couldn't take his place anymore. Now they've added a Ryan Grant clone (Grant is 6'1", 222 lbs. and Starks is 6'2", 218 lbs) with speed. He's strictly Ryan Grant insurance, but that's not a bad thing either. Grade: B.

7th round, No. 230 overall. East Carolina DE C.J. Wilson. While Starks might be a Grant clone, Wilson is a clone of 2nd round pick DE Mike Neal. At the NFL combine, Neal was listed at 6'3", 294 lbs. and was a top performer in the bench press with 31 reps. On the other hand, Wilson came in at 6'3", 290 lbs. and was a top performer in the bench press with 32 reps. It appears the Packers are content with their pass rushing linebackers and instead were looking for some pass rushing defensive lineman to provide an inside push. Grade: C.

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On Starks

 Kinda like Grant but even more of an upside. Watch him juke guys out of their cleat’s at 54 sec. He has very good hands also. This guy might be a steal.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ3dPkL0pr4

Newhouse might be a steal also, he faced Jerry Hughes every day in practice.

by GBfan73 on Apr 25, 2010 4:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Good point

about Newhouse!

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by NorthStarr on Apr 25, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sweet! We are thrilled to have him here. He is the 2nd or 3rd on my list of guys we drafted that I am PUMPED to see something from. I think he’s one of the steals from our draft.

by TrevorR on Apr 27, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've always believed...

…nothing motivates starters like younger versions of themselves being drafted at their position. I think in many ways, some of these guys don’t even need to see the field to improve the team.

by soliman on Apr 25, 2010 7:10 AM CDT reply actions  

On Starks

I am in LOVE with this pick. Sure he’s a 6th rounder so the odds of him panning out are probably not great…but you want to talk about a complete back, this might be him. First he’s a converted QB and CB so not only can he run, but he can throw the ball (not sure if he’s comfortable running wildcat like plays though). GBFan found a great highlight package, what you can see is that the kid can put his head down and run up the gut, he has the speed to get around the edges and that extra burst to pull away when he sees daylight.

I know his competition probably wasn’t top notch, though I think I saw our new SS Morgan getting burned by him on one play. this is one pick that totally addressed a need we had. Not only can he come in and provide something on 3rd downs, but there is a chance he could challenge Grant down the road…he needs a good challenge!

by TrevorR on Apr 25, 2010 7:49 AM CDT reply actions  

On Newhouse

I see this as a depth pickup. He’s someone they are going to work on making into a replacement. He’s probably a project for them, but heck he was basically a 6th rounder, what do you expect. We need depth at that position pretty badly and it might allow for them to move Lang into the Guard position he belongs in.

by TrevorR on Apr 25, 2010 7:51 AM CDT reply actions  

He’s probably a project for them, but heck he was basically a 6th rounder, what do you expect.

Just so, Trevor.
Projects are all that are usually left by the point where he was drafted. :)

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by NorthStarr on Apr 25, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

On Quarless

A bit of a head scratcher, but my guess is that they felt he was too talented to pass up on. From what I’ve read on him, he basically had to beg to get back on the squad at Penn state and he was like 2nd round talent with an undrafted level head. If he’s actually turned things around he could be a steal and heck imagine having TWO Finley’s out there at once. How would someone cover us in the red zone? If he doesn’t pan out, we wasted a 5th but at least it wasn’t a 3rd rounder. I am a bit surprised we didn’t grab a CB here but they must not have liked what was left. I am not going to pretend to know much about who’s out in the later rounds.

by TrevorR on Apr 25, 2010 7:54 AM CDT reply actions  

its a classic TT, best player available, pick.

by TrevorR on Apr 25, 2010 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had the same reaction a few years ago when Finley was taken. That one seemed to work out well so I’m willing to give TT the benefit of the doubt.

by AaronR on Apr 25, 2010 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

…my guess is that they felt he was too talented to pass up on.

That, and maybe they already see him as better, with more of a future, than Havner.
Also, maybe Havner’s motorcycle incident was (or not) a factor.

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by NorthStarr on Apr 25, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

imagine having TWO Finley’s out there at once.

With ONE Finley, who has not yet quite perfected the blocking aspect of his game, out there, the defenses simply defend against him as a receiver; with TWO such players out there together, defenses are kept more honest!

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by NorthStarr on Apr 25, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not going to pretend to know much about who’s out in the later rounds.

I don’t even pretend to know who is out there (atop TT’s board, at least) in the first round, let alone the other earlier ones.
The later rounds,

Fogeddaboutit!

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by NorthStarr on Apr 25, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah! Very true…all most of us know is what the media points out.

by TrevorR on Apr 25, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

So true.

…and the media generally knows only what is read from other media, or what they heard from some scout in a press conference or something, which by the time we get it could be completely twisted around. If you want to know what our scouts and coaches think, watch their press conferences and get a bigger picture than what you could get from any moron writer. I will watch like a TT press conference or something, and then see a clip on the nightly news that takes what was said somewhat out of context, just to get the writers point across…even though what was really said may have been quite abit different, or about a different point altogether.

by PackerD on Apr 26, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, Kampman was a nonfactor this season.

He didn’t adapt well to the 3-4 D and is now in a system he can work VERY well with in Jacksonville.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 25, 2010 8:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Excited about Starks. That’s exactly the type of player we needed to bring in to improve our offense. Let’s hope he can come back healthy from that injury and be a contributor for us.

by packallday555 on Apr 25, 2010 1:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Looks like they're looking for a permanent fill, in retro

why draft double at one position unless you’re looking for the next franchise player at that position? I really don’t understand the TE draft… can only suppose there isn’t much faith in their starters being healthy all season or are looking to hedge in a trade.

"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi

by AdamA on Apr 25, 2010 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Probably looking for a reliable second TE

Donald Lee isn’t very good and neither is Havner.

by Charlie Kelly on Apr 25, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think that is it. Havner REALLY isn’t that good of TE. I know we all loved him cause of the couple of TDs but lets be honest, Mike Vrabel used to do that for the Patriots too and he wasn’t a good TE either! I think this kid could be a potential KILLER combo with Finley if he can keep his life straight. Imagine covering TWO 6’4" monster TEs in the redzone!?!?

by TrevorR on Apr 25, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was keeping my eye on him before the draft started

So when we picked him in the 7th Round, I was happy. I saw a little potential in him. I never really noticed anything that will make him a starter, but I see him being a quality backup for many years for us. With him being drafted, I see backup Wynn being released after Preseason. I think we got another hit in the 7th Round in CJ Wilson, glad we picked him. He’s got ideal size to play in the 3-4 as a DE. Maybe add on 5 lbs, but that’s it.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Apr 25, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was also happy

I like this guy and think we got good value out of the pick. Like you said I dont think he will ever become a starter but can become a very good quality backup. If its him and Wynn competing I think he would make the team.

by Yankees10 on Apr 25, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man....

CJ Wilson’s highlights on Youtube make him look better than Mike Neal! Neal was picked in the 2nd Round for a reason though, and I trust TT’s judgment. Especially when it comes to drafting.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Apr 25, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I trust TT’s judgment.

+1,000.

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by NorthStarr on Apr 25, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

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