How Does McNabb To The Redskins Effect The Packers?
Since the Eagles won the other NFC Wild Card spot last season along with the Green Bay Packers, the trade of QB Donovan McNabb to a division rival could change the Eagles playoff chances in 2010.
- But first, how does it change the April draft? Rob Rang wrote that QB Jimmy Clausen is the big loser here. While Clausen was mentioned at No. 4 overall to the Redskins, now it's possible he goes into a QB Aaron Rodgers-like draft free fall. Or maybe he should be compared to QB Brady Quinn who had a similar fall in 2007 for apparently good reasons. Meanwhile, Mocking The Draft points out that the trade has a big effect on the 2nd round.
Are the Eagles dumber than the Packers for trading their franchise QB to a division rival? The Packers did everything they could to prevent QB Brett Favre from going to the Vikings, but are these situations different?
- From the Redskins standpoint: I just don't get it. From Hogs Haven:
I know Jason Campbell has a lot of sympathizers on this Web site, and frankly, I'm sad he'll never get his chance in Washington (unless this is all part of a grand plan that none of us could foresee). But if you had asked absolutely anyone on this Web site yesterday if Donovan McNabb was a better quarterback than Jason Campbell, we all would have said yes. And for that reason, this is a good move.
So I guess I'm a Jason Campbell sympathizer. Here are the stats.
Some similarities, but McNabb was better last season. Pro Football Focus agrees: McNabb was much better in 2009. However I'm impressed how well Campbell did behind an awful o-line, and in an offense sometimes run by lame duck head coach Jim Zorn and sometimes run by former Packers offensive coordinator/bingo caller Sherm Lewis. Looking back to 2008, when the Redskins still had LT Chris Samuels and Zorn wasn't looking over his shoulder for Daniel Snyder, Pro Football Focus determined Campbell was better than McNabb. McNabb doesn't hurt them, but I'm not sure they really needed him either. Plus they gave up the No. 37 pick in a loaded draft.
- From the Eagles standpoint: Is QB Kevin Kolb ready? It was hardly certain that Rodgers would excel when he took over in 2008, and Kolb appears to be standing in the same shoes. I don't expect he'll be better than McNabb, but the Eagles are in a better position (with the addition of the draft pick) if he can be just as good. From Bleeding Green Nation:
I guess my first reaction is that it doesn't seem like the Eagles brass thinks too much of McNabb at this point to risk dealing him to a division rival. Either way, that first game back in Philly is going to be EPIC!
The Eagles don't think little of McNabb, they think little of the Redskins. If the upgrade to McNabb from Campbell is minor, if an upgrade at all, they should have had no trouble trading him to their division rival. And that's why this trade is different than a situation where Favre could have been traded to the Vikings in 2008. Favre was a huge upgrade over QB Tarvaris Jackson and clearly made a difference to their team.
The good news for the Packers is that this major trade can only help them if Kolb turns out to be a mistake. I expect he'll be good, so the Eagles should be in the playoff mix again in 2010. It still doesn't make the Redskins a threat for a playoff spot because they've still got the same horrible offensive line and below average defense they had last season, no matter what John Clayton says.
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it should help
since most think that kolb is worse than mcnabb. the packers play the eagles this year, so packer fans should be happy.
Redskins...
are poised to make a HUGE leap this year in my book. Sure they have a poor Oline…so did we! A good QB with some new talent from the draft (likely an Olineman in the first round) along with their three solid RBs and the groundwork for a decent D.
McNabb isn't quite as youthful as Rodgers though
It’ll be interesting to see him running around again :) (McNabb that is)
From the only TRUE North division
by thewild_viking_twins on Apr 5, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
better hope not
the packers also play at washington next year.
looks like the packers schedule just got even harder next year
We weren't dub to do this- Eagles Fan here
I think its a good move, sad to see the greatest quarterback in Eagles history to go but it had to happen.
We have a talented young gun waiting to step up whos on the last year of his rookie contract, McNabb was on his last yr too.
One or the other had to be traded, McNabb- while still a great ball player, showed a drop off in his skills this year. I know the stats say otherwise but take it from a fan who watches every game.
Meanwhile Kolb is building in talent and confidence, a move had to be made. It definitly hurts to lose a guy who I have loved for the last 11 years, a guy that has done so much for his team and city, hurts even more to know he’ll be wearing Burgandy and Gold- but it’s the way of the NFL.
While there will be growing pains, Kolb will do just fine
Thanks for 11 great seasons McNabb
I think they made the right move in trading McNabb. I think the time had come and its best to get something for him before he’s a FA. I just don’t like the fact they sent him to the Redskins. I like Kolb, I think he has tons of potential! In the long run, its probably the right move (we’ll see) but in the short run, the just made 2 more of their division games even harder to win!!
according to Ried, he was tradded to the Skins as a favor to McNabb. That is where he wanted to go over the Raiders and Bills. On top of that the Raiders and Bills had a bigger compensation but Reid wanted to keep his long time friend happy- pretty stand up stuff
Thanks for 11 great seasons McNabb
funny
according to espn reid said that he didn’t want to get rid of mcnabb and that the decision to trade him wasn’t reid’s. reid also expounded on the fact that this was the best deal for the philadelphia eagles.afterall 1 player doesn’t make a team. as packer fans should know.
the way you said that made it sound like you thought you were calling me out…
Reid didnt want McNabb gone, FO did, and they sign his checks. Oakland offered a 2nd and Nnamdi Asomugha- We need a corner.
Also it’s been said the Bills offered thier 1st. McNabb asked Reid not to deal him to eather, that he prefered to go to the Redskins where (Offesive genius) Shanahan is the new head coach.
So no he didnt want to trade McNabb but when his boss said to trade him Ried took both the teams and his long time friend McNabb’s best interest in consideration- something you generally do not see in the NFL
Thanks for 11 great seasons McNabb
What? Hermitcrab calling someone out and being divisive? Never.
Did Oakland seriously offer Nnamdi and a 2nd? That seems like a kings ransom…how could someone turn that down? Reid is a much bigger man than most people I think…I couldn’t imagine being in his shoes and making this move if I have Nnamdi and a 2nd on the table. I just hope it doesn’t cost him his job…I like Andy Reid.
lol
easy to turn down. look at nnamdi contract, what does he get this year 18 million.
no andy reid really is that fat on t.v.—-objects really are that big on camera.
if you can cut and paste those trade assumptions for all to see it would make it a fact instead of conjecture. right now it sounds like when tt could have gotten a better deal from the vikes instead of the jets in 08———again nobody really knows if he could have or not.
lol—finally, exactly how a football team is run,turn down a #1 pick for mcnabb—ahhh that’s not good business——if that truly happened,imo, reid would have to answer to his bosses because he would have been an idiot not too——until there is concrete eveidence that says what buffalo or oakland were offering, i’m not buying.
ted could have gotten a 1st for favre in 08 from the vikes…..same scenario..no proof but 2nd or 3rd hand info.
I know im only a guest here, but this hermitcrab guy seems kind of douchey
Thanks for 11 great seasons McNabb
by MeanGreen5 on Apr 5, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This completely reminds me of the whole Rodgers and Favre drama
Both Rodgers and Kolb kept their mouth shut. Favre was whining about not getting what he wanted, but McNabb insisted he wanted to remain in Philly. Similar…very similar. Rodgers had 1 game, 1 solid performance under him. Kolb had 2. The way I see it, it was the right choice by Philly to move ahead and start a new era. One thing you can say that we can’t, is it did not end bitter with McNabb and the fans. That’s something you can say with your chin up. Philly is still sitting very good with Kolb.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Wow, I can’t believe this happened! I guess you did tell me so not too long ago though hermitcrab :)!
I still don’t get the move from the Eagles standpoint. First they trade away Sheldon Brown and now McNabb? Both are good players for them, and have been. Do they not feel like their team is ready to win now? I mean Kolb came in and was good but can he really be expected to get him over the hump this coming season? I don’t think so. Like you Brandon, I think he’ll end up being good but I think it’ll take some time for him to be able to get them over that hump.
Seems like a good move for Washington. I kinda thought Campbell would get a chance under Shanahan though. I mean the guy has been pretty good/solid despite playing behind horrid o-lines and a different offensive system in all 3 of his seasons so far. The McNabb trade pretty much assures them taking Okung as well, which should help that OL a bit. This move should have Washington back to an above 500. team.
Although the Saints secondary was decimated at the time...
Jason Campbell shredded the Saints defense before the Saints won in overtime last year. He is a good quarterback who was playing behind an awful offensive line. Someone will make an offer for him.
looks
to me that eagles are going to take a step back this year, to take 2 steps forward the next.
it’s good for washington, if for anything else at a confidence level in the locker room.
@ packall: Okung may go to the Lions, which in turn means Bulaga, or Campbell goes to Washington!
Which means that even Charlie Brown might not be available when we pick @ #23! The way it looks now, Okung, Williams, Bulaga, Campbell, and Charlie Brown will all be gone… It does AFFECT the Packers, because so many teams need LT help, that now we’re probably talking about trading up to even get Brown! I could be wrong, but, I don’t see how the Lions don’t take Okung to protect Stafford! I don’t see how the Redskins don’t pick a Tackle to protect their new QB McNabb! Chiefs, Bills, 49’ers, all need tackles too. It could get very interesting, very quick!
Go Pack!
by BirdDogUni on Apr 5, 2010 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Is it me
or is every division in the NFC except the West getting a lot tougher? I wouldn’t be surprised to see the 49ers come out with an exceptional year, largely padded by the fact that their division won’t be as competetive as the others will.
Also: Anyone wanna bet McNabb gets injured again and Rex Grossman starts at least 2 games next season?
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
I suppose so
The NFC North and East keep getting better and better. The NFC South has Atlanta on the rise with New Orleans already good. The NFC West, well, yeah…….
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
2009 NFC West = 2008 AFC West
2009 NFC West = Cardinals won division at 10-6, closest competitor was 8-8 49ers. Close up top, two HORRIBLE teams below at 4-12 and 1-15.
2008 AFC West = .500 Division champion Chargers are horrifically inconsistent all year long, but DESTROY Denver to take it all on the final week of the regular season. Very VERY close on top, two more horrible teams below (4-12 Raiders, 2-14 Chiefs).
And, um, these conferences have been like this for a while…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 6, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking about this today...
About Favre/Vikings and McNabb/Skins. How the Pack did everything they could to keep Favre out of Minnesota and how the Eagles didn’t care about trading McNabb in the division.
While the scenarios are certainly different because Minnesota truly was just a QB away from being a powerhouse and the Redskins aren’t… I wonder if the Eagles didn’t learn a lesson from the Pack.
In the end, all Green Bay did was defer Favre’s arrival in Minny for a year. If the Vikes offered more for Favre than the Jets, was that one year worth taking less in return? Maybe it would have been worth just letting Favre go the Vikings directly and taking the better deal?
Of course, I don’t know that Minny offered more and like I said… they’re a much bigger threat with Favre than Washington is with McNabb.
I don’t recall hearing that the vikings offered anything…though that is probably because we told everyone we wouldn’t listen to offers from them anyway. They might have learned from it…it certainly didn’t pan out the way we all hoped it would. I don’t know if McNabb would go to the kinds of efforts that Favre did though either…
I really hate to be 'that guy'
But it’s a front page story and I really care about the content on this site, I want it to be the best that it can. The title should be ‘affect’ not ‘effect’. That said, I promise this will be a very rare venture into the realm of grammar nazi.
I’d say both the Eagles and Redskins are getting better, but I don’t see how it immediately benefits either team. McNabb is good, but I’d say if they get immensely better, it’ll be primarily due to Shanahan and his bodyguard of running backs, as well as improving the O-line. That said, McNabb seems to be the type of guy that brings in much more of a leadership presence on the team, so maybe that will help his value.
As for the Eagles, they already have many of the right pieces around Kolb, so it’s more or less up to him- I agree with you there. I do think management made a mistake in trading McNabb, but with the right draft picks, they could be a powerhouse a year or two from now.
I’d compare this to Brees going to the Saints, obviously with some strings attached. San Diego had an up and comer, as well as an established Vet with some good teammates around him. Brees obviously found success eventually with the Saints when they drafted right and gave him weapons, whereas San Diego is still struggling with the same things their fanbase was frustrated with when Brees left. It’s a pretty consistent cycle.
I
Brees is kind of a different situation. McNabb was traded, Brees was not resigned. McNabb was an aging vet. Brees was a young guy who JUST found his groove the year they drafted another QB to replace him.
I am with you on Washington though, I think they will improve though only part of it will be due to McNabb being on the team. He might allow them to take a HUGE leap this year though. I think they’ll be at least a .500 team this year!
Brees also suffered a horrific torn rotator cuff in the last game of the season.
I believe the Chargers missed the playoffs, and they offered him a contract that Brees thought was a vote of no confidence in his abilities.
Guess who has a Super Bowl win? It isn’t Philip Rivers…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 7, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Difference is that
The Packers knew that the Vikes were one good QB away from being a legitimate SB contender, regardless of the draft picks Green Bay might have gotten in return. Ted Thompson was right to avoid moving Favre within the division at almost any cost, because Favre made the Vikings better than the Packers, at least short term.
Washington is still going to be bad, regardless of who the quarterback is. Philadelphia is going to be good with McNabb or Kolb, and getting good draft picks from a division rival hurts Washington long term. They need a lot more help on both sides of the ball, and losing those draft picks to bolster the o-line, a replacement for Portis, or defense is a mistake that will hurt the Redskins in outlying years, after MCNabb is long gone and those guys they could’ve had are playing for their division rivals, who are still at or near the top with Kevin Kolb.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
by Ted Glover on Apr 7, 2010 5:35 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
OK, call me a grammar Nazi if you wish, but it’s how does it affect the Packers.
Granted, I know that this is a hard one. It’s very easy to mix up. But I hate to see what is otherwise a good article marred with a big bold grammar error in the headline like that.
You almost never “effect” (as a verb) your direct object. You can have an effect on an object, but here your verb in the sentence is “have”. The way you have this written, you are actually asking how does the trade of McNabb cause the Packers to exist. Given that they’ve been around as a team for quite a few years, I’m quite sure this is not what you meant to ask.

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