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Packers OTAs Begin Next Week, Haynesworth Could Become A Viking, and Aaron Rodgers Can Run

 - We're still a week away from OTA's which start on May 17, so this should be a quiet week. It's possible one of the unsigned restricted free agents will sign: S Atari Bigby, LG Daryn Colledge, DE Johnny Jolly, or CB Tramon Williams. They might all be looking for long-term deals (not from other teams, but from the Packers). They might even be waiting until the end of June to see exactly how much money the Packers made last year so the Packers can't plead poverty.

Vikings fans are speculating that DT Albert Haynesworth might end up in Minnesota. I don't understand all these Haynesworth rumors. Why would the Redskins pay over $30 million for one season, and then try and trade him away just when his contract is getting reasonable? The only thing that makes sense is that Haynesworth was signed by the previous guys in charge and not by Mike Shanahan, so they aren't loyal to him.

 - I've been digging through stats lately, but I don't have enough to post much of anything yet. I've got to get a better handle on the overall team stats because I'm still smarting that I overlooked how bad TE Donald Lee was in 2009 when discussing why they drafted TE Andrew Quarless. One statistical comparison to consider:

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Player FO RankPro Football Focus
Rodgers 12 2

The reason why QB Aaron Rodgers is lesser regarded by Football Outsiders is that their stats are passing only, while Pro Football Focus has pass, run, and penalty worked into the equation. Rodgers is only No. 6 at passing according to Pro Football Focus, and he's the 2nd best rushing QB. He ran for 316 yards last season and had a number of 10 yard runs for 1st downs. Just a reminder that running plays are an important part of his game.

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Haynesworth isn't becoming a Viking

Supposedly in his I’d like to be traded campaign he mentioned MN as a place he’d like to be traded. He isn’t in control and there is no way the ’skins will trade them for what the people at DN are talking about. Before the draft there was a rumor they wanted a high 2nd rounder for him and the people at DN would like to make that trade. The issue though is that was before a huge roster bonus that he got right before the draft so he is probably more expensive than a high second rounder now.

by jpulido on May 10, 2010 8:33 AM CDT reply actions  

I think the reason the Skins want to trade him is because he was hired as a 4-3 DT

When they went to the 3-4 he got pissy and his numbers went way down. I personally don’t think it will happen since it’s after the draft and I don’t really see another NT on the Skins team right now.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on May 10, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Redskins were a 4-3 team last year

His numbers went down cuz once he got millions of dollars he got out of shape and complained a lot. Your right though that his numbers could drop even lower as a NT cuz he doesn’t have the freedom to jump into gaps and he doesn’t want to have to play the toughest least rewarding position in football.

by jpulido on May 10, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haynesworth to the Vikings would be a bad football move...

for the redskins. First their draft picks will likely be low if they have a similar season so if you get say a first, its going to be a late one. On top of that, you are helping a team you have to play later in the year and also a team that you might have to get by in the playoffs if you think you have a chance of getting there. I can’t see how the owner would be willing to just dump him after giving him all of that. I would need a HUGE ransom in return. Players sometimes take a year or two to adjust adjust to a new system…he could come out and dominate again this year.

That said, the fact that Haynesworth says he wants to go to the Vikings doesn’t mean jack squat. He has NO control. Of course he wants to go to a title contending team who plays a 4-3 D with other strong D lineman. He has no say or control though…

by TrevorR on May 10, 2010 9:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Could the Vikings even afford Haynesworth?

Even with Pat Williams close to retirement, that would be a lot of money in the defensive line.

by Charlie Kelly on May 10, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haynesworth is overrated. I said it.

The Vikings are too smart to blow a ton of cash on him. They have servicible DTs without Kevin and Pat Williams, should their suspensions stand. They don’t need to blow a ton of cash on one guy who might start all of four games.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 10, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pat Williams is 38 years old and really starting to slow (finally). Trading for Hayneworth would be a move for the future of the position just as much as it would be for compensating for the present suspension.

by Jayrome007 on May 16, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Vikings could afford him

Most of the big money has already been paid to him. The Skins have actually already paid $21 million just for being there through this point. From here on out his contract is pretty normal, so yeah they could afford him.

by PackApologist on May 10, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your?

ummmm…..who are you talking to? Cause I’m pretty sure that I’m a Packer fan. So is hermit and OBrien as well.

I’m also pretty sure that the Packers really don’t want him since he would be in the same role that he is pouting about in Washington.

As for the Vikings, well we really don’t know the books, but his contract really isn’t quite as unreasonable anymore since the Redskins have gotten through most of the outrageous parts. I would imagine that’s the reason why they are slow in trading him.

by PackApologist on May 10, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its still a lOT of money for a team that is basically maxed out if Favre returns. I guess there is no cap this year so they could manage, but how much would this owner be willing to fork over. I don’t think Haynesworth would put them over the edge to get them to the next level.

by TrevorR on May 11, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

My deepest apologies to hermitcrab

umm yea i don’t know what i was thinking that was pretty obvious

by jpulido on May 10, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Aaron Rodgers'

running game is completely overlooked by virtually everyone (including our own coaching staff and every opposing defense). Now of course I don’t want him going between the tackles and taking a beating, but I feel there should be a couple run/pass option plays after rollouts incorporated into the playbook (especially last year when the pocket was the least safe place on the field). He’s quick on his feet, he knows how to avoid shots and knows where the first down marker is, and no sane defense is going to waste a defender even considering spying on him.

When I tell people about how Aaron Rodgers is the career highest rated QB in NFL history to people (I do this often even though it won’t be an official stat until later this season) I also throw in that he was the #2 rushing QB (damn that Garrard for passing him up in the final game).

by Archibaldcrane on May 10, 2010 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

McCarthy calls a lot of Rollout passing plays for Rodgers

If he calls for strictly running plays, keep in mind that that’s where QB’s get injured the most. You are only adding more risk to losing your QB by doing this. Considering we have 0 depth at the QB position behind Rodgers, I’m not one to make that gamble. Besides, if it is a Rollout play, Rodgers has the ability to pass the ball or tuck it and run with the defenders having their backs on him. This works better for Rodgers.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on May 10, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh

I thought you were saying you wanted designed runs for Rodgers.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on May 10, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the rollout plays are already enough for Rodgers to take advantage of his legs. I remember seeing some ridiculous stat last season about Rodgers having one of the best Qb ratings when throwing out of the pocket. I hope we can produce a semi-decent running game this season. Think about how much more effective the play-action could be if the LB’s actually thought we were going to run haha.

by packallday555 on May 11, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Rodgers is great, but let's not get too carried away.

He was responsible for many of the sacks we gave up, I would say. Holding the ball drove down his incompletions and INTs, but they were negative plays, and they were his fault.

by Curly Lambeau on May 10, 2010 2:52 PM CDT reply actions  

All things considered

It was only his second year starting. Yeah, he spent 3 years toting a clipboard learning, but playing is where you truly get better. Last year, he was able to effectively apply the lessons learned in his brutal first season. His improvement was dramatic. Can we get the same type of improvement again? Why not? And if we can get the right o-line chemistry this year, look out!

by Welzy on May 10, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, this is what makes me excited about him. To have the kind of season he did with the swiss cheese OL he had in front of him for half the year is pretty amazing. I can’t wait to see what Finley does for our offense this coming season. He opened up a ton for us towards the end of last season, and at 23 he is only starting to come into his prime!

by packallday555 on May 11, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

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