Packers Notes: Merriman Is Available, Daniels Is Released, and Heckendorf is a Seahawk
by Brandon on May 13, 2010 8:00 AM CDT
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Print- Do you think that one of the teams that may have tried to trade for Chargers LB Shawne Merriman on draft day was the Green Bay Packers? I actually doubt it because the Chargers seemed determined to acquire a 1st round pick for him, and I don't believe GM Ted Thompson would have offered that much. He's apparently still available. Despite the missed 2008 season the fans in San Diego still like the guy. What do you think? I'm on the fence about it. Here's his 2009 stats:
| Player | GS | Tackles | Sacks | INTs | PD |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Merriman | 14 | 36 | 4 | 0 | 0 |
- According to the Press-Gazette, OL Stanley Daniels was released. He spent 2009 going on-and-off the practice squad, and as far as I could tell he was just a big, strong guy. The writing was on the wall that he'd have no chance at making the active roster when they drafted two offensive lineman. It didn't seem likely he'd spend another season on the practice squad (even if he was eligible for it).
- I got my hopes up when the Lions released WR Kole Heckendorf that maybe that the the pride of Mosinee would get another shot with the Packers. But former Packer executive John Schneider, now with the Seahawks, claimed Heckendorf off waivers.
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I'm probably in the minority here but I don't think Merriman is worth it
- The Chargers probably want too much.
- He’ll likely want more money than he’s worth.
- Even though he’s young, his best days seem to be behind him.
- He’s got some baggage.
All in all, another impact OLB is a big need but I’d rather see what we have in Brad Jones than overspend on a guy like Merriman.
While I think he’d instantly make our LBs better, I don’t think I want him only because both the Chargers and Merriman are going to want too much. Merriman still thinks he’s a pro bowler and honestly he just isn’t. The Chargers wanting a first shows they are WAY overvaluing him too. If we could get him for much less than a first and were assured we could get him for a fair deal then I say go for him but I don’t see that happening.
Definately not worth it
You don’t trade a 1st Round pick for a guy that produces only 4 sacks. We are just as good with Brad Jones. Merriman was good….when on steroids a couple years ago.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I have wondered about Merriman as well. One question I have, though, did he play LOLB or ROLB? Would getting him require a position change by either him or Matthews?
I don’t put much stock in his numbers for last year becasue he was still recovering from the knee injury the year before. The Chargers want a 1st rd pick for him. The Packers will likely draft in the 25-32 range of the 1st rd, so that seems like decent value. The Chargers may even be willing to take a 2nd rd pick becasue they will not sign him to a long-term deal, so better to get something for him other than another season of play.
He hasn't done anything in the NFL since being called out on using steroids
Way too risky for a 1st Round Pick. It’s a huge risk that Merriman will not come back to Pro Bowl form after 2 years of dissapointment. Sure he was injured, but that’s the risky aspect of it. Most players don’t recover from his kind of injuries. I’m not willing to jeopardize our future for a small window of a chance that Merriman bounces back. I’d give up a 4th Round pick. That’s it. Elvis Dumervil is worth a 1st Round Pick, but not Merriman. I would be willing to give up a 1st and 3rd for Dumervil. That’s a fair trade and far less risky then going after Merriman.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I would even go 3rd
I’m slowly coming around on the concept of Merriman, but at the right price. I think 3rd is the sweet spot. Perhaps you are paying a bit too much, but if SD is overpricing reaching at 3 isn’t too bad. He could make an impact, but a 3 not panning out isn’t the end of the world. You could delay in his long term deal for a bit to see how his knee holds up. It could work.
by PackApologist on May 13, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
in fairness to merriman
the whole “he hasnt done anything sense the roids” is kinda ridiculous. he was suspended for the first four games of the 2006 season and still had 17 sacks.
AFTER being suspended for roids and being tested much more frequently, and then the following year he has 12 sacks.
i think its more something people just hear and assume.
Life is like riding a bicycle, to keep your balance, you must keep moving.-Einstein
ACL
DIdn’t he have and ACL tear a coule years ago? I think the robbed him of his explosiveness that was his trademark! Maybe part has to do w/ not being on the juice too… But it seems his case after the positive test is pretty good. Anyone know when he had the knee injury?
I do think he still has some left…BUT like we said, he still thinks he’s a pro bowler and should be paid like one and the Chargers want pro bowler compensation. The price tags are just too much. If we could get him for a fair price, I am all for taking a chance on him. It could be a HUGE signing if he comes back to where he was. If he gets caught for drugs again though he’s pretty much done.
Added dimension
That’s what he brings. He makes people account for him on the field. He got double teamed a lot last year just because he was playing. I like the prospect of bringing him in. Also have a picture with him so I can justifie it then.
by Giant_in_la_area on May 13, 2010 11:51 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Merriman and the Packers
I dont think he (Merriman) would be a good fit. A good player when he keeps his head in the game, but the company that he kept while in S,D, says a bit about him. You want players who realize that they are not bigger than the game. And, like it or not, they are in the public eye and there is a expectation of them to behave in a way that is honorable.
by Bleedinggreenandgold on May 13, 2010 12:00 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah but
Green Bay, WI is a place where football players can just focus on football. It’s not like Merriman’s crowd is going to follow him out there. If he’s game for playing for the Pack, then his head should be on straight. Well, that is unless he decides to just live at the Radisson and fly in and out of Austin Straubel all the time so he can make his meetings during the week and try to head out somewhere else on his Tuesdays off.
by PackApologist on May 13, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait, he gets Tuesdays off?
He can just drive down to Milwaukee…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 13, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
1st and 3rd for Dumervil
He proved himself in the 3-4 last year, but that’s a lot to give up, unless………unless you, Ted Thompson, boldly predict your team making it to the conference finals. Then giving up that late pick for an intrigal piece in the defense may be crazy enough to consider such a hefty price.
I don’t think so, but – just saying.
Dumervil could very well make us an instant favorite. Matthews was a beast last year and Dumervil led the NFL in sacks. Even Raji should improve from a pass rushing stand point, and Neal looks like he was brought in because he is a good pass rusher.
by packallday555 on May 13, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's a dream
Throw in Colledge, a four, and seven, and one of the fullbacks.
Not sure if SD is really in need of any of those pieces, but if something like that went down I would be very happy.
They kinda need a reserve guard.
How about we toss Chillar into the mix to sweeten the deal?
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 13, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we'd save more than 15% if we went with Bishop instead of Chillar.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 13, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
But
Chillar does more than Bishop. Chillar is a bit more of the fly to the ball and make something happen sort of guy, while Bishop is a bit more of an inner thumper guy. Chillar also can play his role a bit more then Bishop which cuts down on the bit play.
Don’t get me wrong, if it takes Chillar plus a mid to low rounder, I won’t weep too much, but I would miss Bishop less than Chillar if I had to choose between the two.
by PackApologist on May 13, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont really like Merriman
but I would do that deal. but I doubt a deal like that would even be discussed.
What would you do for a Klondike Bar?
So let’s make up Merriman trades that might be bearable. Remember, in addition to whatever you give SD, the Pack will also have to make up some sort of long term deal in order to get him to play here.
Merriman
I like the group of LB’s we have right now, Matthews really was a good pick and Hawk seemed to be more involved with the defense and his speed was better utilized. Barnett was his usual self, and was it Jones who came in and did a real good job when Kampman went down? Poppinga is a good sub as well
by Bleedinggreenandgold on May 13, 2010 6:55 PM CDT reply actions
You forgot Chillar
Dude made some big plays, like hurdling a dude to make a sack.
by PackApologist on May 13, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Hawk for Merriman
Hawk and a pick (3/4?) for Merriman, I’d do that in a minute. I don’t think SM will ever be the dMVP again, but a linebacking core of Merriman/Barnett/Chillar/Matthews is SICK.
good thought
but san diego getting rid of 1 average high priced lb and receiving another, wouldn’t make much sense. plus hawk’s contract next year is for him to make 10 million. i guess 10 million in the nfl these days don’t get ya much. damn inflation.
contracts
Both would have to agree to contract extension before that trade would ever happen!!! Why do you think there are so few player for player trades anymore?!
Cuz of the cap considerations!!! Something Wolf sited as his main reason for retiring, is he could no longer use trades and FA as effectively… FA now is very dilluted and extremely overvalued!!! And some of you still complain that Thompson isn’t active enough outside the draft, but fail to remember that that is why Wolf retired!!!
by Strohman on May 13, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So confused
There’s one part of me that thinks we would get a more consistent production from Hawk and would thus not get the good end of that trade.
But you’re right, Merriman/Barnett/Chillar/Matthews would be a sick LB corp. Especially when you factor in Jones and Bishop filling in on spot duty.
I guess I would dig that trade.
by PackApologist on May 13, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Guys guys guys...
Merriman is awful. You’re thinking of steroid Merriman. HE was good. Natural Merriman, on the other hand, has never done anything in the league. Nothing.
To say “yeah, but he was hurt” misses the point. HGH helps you avoid and recover from injuries. Actually, that’s the main reason guys take it. It gives you that little extra oomph all around, to be in position quicker, hit harder, be stronger, and not feel as much pain. Y’know, football is about doing things that give you an advantage. And, again, Merriman could NEVER do that. He only had an advantage when he got it unfairly. Since then, he has done NOTHING!! …and that was over two years ago.
Remember that scene in “The Program” where Latimer goes off the juice for awhile and gets trucked at the goal-line? That’s Merriman now. In fact, that exact same scenario happened a couple games into the ‘07 season. He met MJD in the open field, and MJD absolutely ran right through him and put him on his ass. …and it wasn’t a cheap-shot or anything. They met mano-e-mano, MJD ran through him, and there was nothing Merriman could do to stop it.
You guys are talking about which round picks you’d package with which players… I’d be against signing the guy off the street! Give him room and board and let him clean up the parking lot after games. That’s it.
Actually
Actually he had the suspension during the 06 season and still posted 17 sacks! In 07 he had 12.5 sack, so that argument doesn’t really stand!!! The question is the ACL, that he suffered in 08… In 09, his 1st season after the ACL he only had 4.5 sacks… SO that ACL in actually the problem, or was… In 09 he also had foot and ankle problems that limited him. So going into the 10 season he should be fully healthy and recovered from the ACL!
Just heard the problem is SD wouldn’t trade him for a 2nd rd pick and Merriman wants a new, probably rather large contract!!!! WHich seems to be why he hasn’t been moved! My guess is gets traded after this season if he has a good year or is allowed to become a FA if he doesn’t poorly!!!
by Strohman on May 13, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was four years ago, dude. Get over it. …and I’d say the roids were still wearing off. You know, just because he stopped taking the juice in ‘06 doesn’t mean he was CLEAN in ’06.
going into the 10 season he should be fully healthy and recovered from the ACL!
Well, I guess we’ll know our answer after this year then, huh?
This is all academic anyway. We all know TT is never going to trade for him. …which I believe is a very, very good thing. I know you don’t agree, but that’s okay. You will after this year.
by Curly Lambeau on May 14, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
'10 season
Yeah, I guess we will know after this season! And I never said he still might not be using, but he has not tested positive since, and thats all we can go by isn’t it?!
I have to agree, its a moot point, cuz Thompson wouldn’t be the one to make that trade. Unless he can get him on the cheap and Merriman agrees to play this season for his current contract so we can judge his recovery and know where he’s at physically!
Part of Merriman’s success was that D that surrounded him too. They were STACKED from top to bottom. A lot of the key players have since left though, including some on the line. I don’t know if the line is nearly as good as it was back when he was pulling down 12 and 17 sacks. The Dline is crutial to him posting those big numbers. I still think if he’s healthy and what he was he should be able to at least double his sacks even with a mediocre line. I guess we’ll see what happens.
Well, think about it. If I bulk up to Tony Mandarich levels (an admitted ‘roid freak), even after I stop using them it’s going to take me a couple years to lose everything I gained. (Although, in his case, TM didn’t have enough natural ability to really capitalize on the ‘roids. His feet were just too slow to play LT in the NFL). It’s not like I take them and I’m instantly a superstar and I stop and boom I’m Joe Shmoe again.
With Merriman, I think he had/has enough natural ability to be “a guy” in the NFL, but not enough to be an impact guy. The PEDs gave him that edge, and it took awhile to wear off even after he was off the stuff. Now he’s back down to earth entirely.
he has not tested positive since, and thats all we can go by isn’t it?
Right. …and he DID test positive, and his production has fallen off consistently since he was busted. What’s your point?
by Curly Lambeau on May 14, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
production
Well his production dropped from 17 sacks to 12.5… Still 12.5 sacks is nothing to sneeze at!!! If he can put up 12 sacks every year that will be a damn good career. The year after he put up the 12 sacks he had an ACL tear and missed all but the 1st game. Last year he was still getting over the ACL, remember it usually take till year 2 after to be back to 100%… And he was bothered by foot and ankle injuries last season, I believe… Do you think it would be worth trading for him???
As a former Strength and Conditioning Coach/Specialist, I can tell you that when you get off steroids you lose quite alot of the gains you made while on it really quickly!!! You lose alot of explosiveness almost immediately, and the strength drops some too. THe strength may be a little more gradual, but the explosiveness goes really quickly!!! It is NOT a mattter of a coule years before the decline begins… Its almost immediate and dramatic…
LOL
Yeah, kinda… Or that purple pill thing… LMAO
In all seriousness, IMO, I would say that w/in 6 months of stopping PED’s you probably lose about 90% of the gains you had while on them!!! Maybe more… I haven’t read alot on the topic as in the past couple years, but that seemed to be the thinking a few years ago, and I don’t see how it would have changed that much since.
My cousin’s crotch went numb from taking Propecia.
Thanks for the info Srohman.
by Curly Lambeau on May 14, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
HGH
makes you feel less pain? Really? I’d love to see a link for that one.
What I meant is that you recover from injuries faster. In other words, the bumps and bruises go away faster. In other words, you feel less pain.
Clear? Still need to see a link? I would think that this is pretty self-evident stuff.
by Curly Lambeau on May 14, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
anybody
know where i can score some HGH, because some days on this site after reading goth’s post————-i need something to make the pain go away faster.
by hermitcrab on May 14, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I don’t know why you guys keep replying to him. It’s like that old saying: Just because you see an ass braying in the field doesn’t mean you have to stop and talk to him.
by Curly Lambeau on May 14, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, there’s another old saying: In some arguments, there are no winners and losers… only willing participants.
by Curly Lambeau on May 14, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
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