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Predict The Packers 53-Man Roster

After the jump is my ridiculously early look at the Green Bay Packers projected 53-man roster. I expect I'm wrong, wrong, wrong, so I'd love to hear what you think about it. Here's the thinking that went into it:

  • I ignored injury risk or rehab as a factor. So guys coming back from major surgery (CB Al Harris, WR Brett Swain) or who missed the entire 2009 season (CB Pat Lee, DE Justin Harrell) make the May roster.
  • The power of incumbency. CB Jarrett Bush and RT Allen Barbre were awful in 2009 but they wouldn't have lasted this long on the roster if the coaches didn't like something about them. 
  • First year players on the practice squad. While some veterans are eligible for the practice squad, the reality is that it's mostly made up of current draft picks and other first year players. I booted three players drafted in 2010 off the active roster, but they would seem like good candidates for the practice squad. I also added some of the top undrafted free agents to it.

Star-divide

The 53-man roster:

Name Position
Aaron Rodgers QB
Matt Flynn QB
Ryan Grant RB
Brandon Jackson RB
James Starks RB
Quinn Johnson FB
John Kuhn FB
Scott Wells C
Jason Spitz C
Evan Dietrich-Smith C/G
Daryn Colledge G
Josh Sitton G
Chad Clifton T
Mark Tauscher T
Bryan Bulaga T
T.J. Lang T
Allen Barbre T
Jermichael Finley TE
Donald Lee TE
Spencer Havner TE
Greg Jennings WR
Donald Driver WR
Jordy Nelson WR
James Jones WR
Brett Swain WR
Ryan Pickett NT
B.J. Raji NT
Cullen Jenkins DE
Johnny Jolly DE
Justin Harrell DE
Mike Neal DE
Clay Matthews LB
Nick Barnett LB
A.J. Hawk LB
Brad Jones LB
Brandon Chillar LB
Brady Poppinga LB
Desmond Bishop LB
Cyril Obiozor LB
Charles Woodson CB
Al Harris CB
Tramon Williams CB
Pat Lee CB
Brandon Underwood CB
Nick Collins S
Atari Bigby S
Morgan Burnett S
Derrick Martin S
Jarrett Bush CB/S
Will Blackmon CB/S
Brett Goode LS
Tim Masthay P
Mason Crosby K

 

The 8-man practice squad:

Name Position
Graham Harrell QB
Sam Shields CB
C.J. Wilson DE
Alex Joseph LB
Marshall Newhouse T
Andrew Quarless TE
Anthony Levine S
Chastin West WR

 

Players who missed the cut:

Name Position
Josh Bell CB
Trevor Ford CB
D.J. Clark CB
Jarius Wynn DE
Ronald Talley DE
Korey Hall FB
Nick McDonald G
John Russell LB
Frank Zombo LB
Tim Knicky LB
Robert Francois LB
Anthony Toribio NT
Aleric Mullins NT
Chris Bryan P
Noah Shepard QB
Quinn Porter RB
Kregg Lumpkin RB
Charlie Peprah S
Khalil Jones S
Chris Campbell T
Breno Giacomini T
Tom Crabtree TE
Shawn Gore WR
Charles Dillon WR
Jeff Moturi WR
Patrick Williams WR

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I’m with you, although I could see Quarless causing them to cut Donald Lee, and Newhouse causing them to cut Barbre.

by Troy J. on May 21, 2010 8:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed.

I like Donald Lee, but I suspect that the TE position is going to have some added responsibilities that Lee might not be such a great fit for. Quarless is fresh – someone they can shape into the kind of player they want at the position.

I’m still kind of skeptical about Tramon Williams at safety…. I also think Jones locks down a start at LB. Maybe I’m carrying the torch a little too ardently for this guy, but I think he’s going to show us all something in the preseason that will calm the skeptics down a bit. I liked what I saw and even though it wasn’t lights out, there’s some promise there.

"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi

by AdamA on May 21, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

My Take:

Harrell makes the 53-man roster mid season

The Lyle Leong Bandwagon will Continue to Roll!!!

Respect Everyone....Fear No One!

Wreck 'em, Tech!

by Tortilla Pirate on May 21, 2010 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree

 I dont know how he went undrafted after the career he had at Tech. Although he did have a good WR there. But nonetheless he seems like a great pick up for a #3 or maybe after a year even a #2 guy

by bizzle4 on May 21, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Truth is

Tech’s Receiving Corp ususally runs about 2 deep at all (x,y,z. & h) postions. It the QB’s job to DISTRIBUTE the ball not just to the WRs but the RBs as well. He was great at that

The Lyle Leong Bandwagon will Continue to Roll!!!

Respect Everyone....Fear No One!

Wreck 'em, Tech!

by Tortilla Pirate on May 21, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope not

If he’s making the roster mid season then Flynn or Rodgers has gone down for some reason. That’s not a good thing.

by PackApologist on May 21, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Considering Graham Harrell struggled to find a spot on an NFL Roster

I think it’s a safe bet he’ll be our 3rd String QB, only on the Practice Squad.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on May 21, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are plenty

of reasons you shouldn’t read too much into a why guy like Harrell didnt “find a spot” on an NFL roster

Anti Spread Offense Bias
Anti Mike Leach Bias (his college coach due to Leach also having coached Josh Heupel and Tim Couch)
etc…

Truth is Harrell is smart, accurate, and DOES have strength in his arm. Just check out the famous Harrell to Crabtree TD to defeat #1 UTexas in 08. He made that throw from outside the hashmark to the opposite sideline.

Im not wishing injury on your guys higher on the depth chart. Im saying Harrell has the makeup to EARN his way on to the 53 man roster. A guy like Harrell, or any QB from a BigXII “offense first” kind of conference you just gotta think believes in himself enough to think he can beat out the guy from La Tech.

The Lyle Leong Bandwagon will Continue to Roll!!!

Respect Everyone....Fear No One!

Wreck 'em, Tech!

by Tortilla Pirate on May 21, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh no doubt he's got to earn it

I just know they love Flynn and have gone with the two QB depth for a few seasons now. They did it when Farve was on the team and since Rodgers has played through minor injuries since becoming a starter they like to live with that luxury. Thus the only reason why should add a QB mid season to the main 53 would be because someone gone down with an injury.

by PackApologist on May 21, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eggzacktley

Newhouse and Quarless will make the 53 man roster. Depending on Jolly’s situation C.J. wilson prolly might too. I might see them keeping 3 Qb’s on the active roster, and not keeping as many linebackers as last year, mainly because of the 9 that were on the roster last season only 5 or 6 really contributed, and I’d like to see them keep more linemen on the active roster. You have them having the same line as last year + Bulaga. I think the open competetion in training camp could force out Barbre and possibly Colledge. But again I think they want depth, so I could see them keeping 9-10 linemen, mainly because i could see there being games where they rest Clifton and Tauscher and get Bulaga and Lang reps. It’s going to be a tough call because they are going to have to cut some players that could end up contributing on an inferior team. But i think they’re going to have to sacrifice keeping the players who can contribute now. hopfully if they have to cut sertain young players, they can resign them to the practice squad.

by jemoen on May 21, 2010 11:10 AM CDT reply actions  

practice squad guys

If the Packers were to try to sneak Quarless, Shields, and Newhouse on the PS, they’ll be snatched up. I should hope that Thompson would realize by now that our #54-58 guys with potential aren’t going to last during the waiver period.

If Qualress shows anything, he’ll probably make it over Havner, unless Havner can supplant Lee.
I’d love if if Shields showed enough to stick – with Blackmon possibly moving to S, Martin would then be expendable. I don’t see us keeping that many safeties.
Newhouse should supplant Barbre.

I’m also assuming we’ll try to stash away a player or two on the PUP list to start the season.

I could see us going back to one FB, and one of the FA LBs should stick on the PS.

by swilldog on May 21, 2010 11:44 AM CDT reply actions  

i think quarless shields and newhouse will make it. But the expendable person wont be martin it will be jarret bush. The one who everyone wish’s will get cut finally will. I say barbe bush and lee will get cut.

by Adam Tarasievich on May 21, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably

But the Packers have tried to keep a couple recent 5th round picks (WR David Clowney, RT Jamon Meredith) on the practice squad but ended up losing them to other teams during the season. So it’s a move I could see repeated again if Quarless and Newhouse don’t shine in the preseason.

by Brandon on May 22, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

My hope is that they learned from their errors last year!!

by TrevorR on May 22, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, first there is now way Newhouse and Quarless go on the practice squad! Both would be grabbed in a heartbeat! You have to take either Havner or Lee off the team… My choice would be Havner!!! So you have Lee, Finley and Quarless on the roster!

Newhouse has way too much potential to risk putting him on practice squad! Barbre takes the fall so Newhouse can stick.

I really don’t think Shields will pass waivers and make practice squad either. My guess in Bush is losing his roster spot this year! Shields is a gunner and ST ace, so he sticks, and he also has alot of potential at CB. No need to keep Blackmon and Bush as swing players at CB and S.

I see Shephard over Harrell on the practice squad. Harrell has little potential, he can’t make NFL throws! And since Shields isn’t on the PS I put Kalil Jones on it… He has alot of promise as a Safety!!!

by Strohman on May 21, 2010 12:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I wish Mason Crosby could punt...

Wouldn’t it be nice if you didn’t need to take up two spots for a punter and a kicker?

On second thought, I wish Mason Crosby could kick field goals…

by StephanL on May 21, 2010 12:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I also think

Newhouse and Quarless will make the roster

by Yankees10 on May 21, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quarless is definately making the roster

I think they’ll keep Spencer Havner because:

A- Special Teams
B- Provides depth at TE, FB, and LB
C- Donald Lee seemed to be too inconsistent and provides no upside

Donald Lee will be cut, Quarless makes the active roster

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on May 21, 2010 12:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Good job, thanks.

It’s depressing that you’re almost definitely right about Jarrett Bush making the team again.

I agree with everybody else that Quarless and Newhouse probably wouldn’t clear waivers and wouldn’t last long on the practice squad even if they did. Somebody would snatch them up before long. Like Meredith last year. …and, once again, we’ll have to know that a talented player is gone because Jarrett Bush is on the team, taking up a roster spot, just hanging around like a gym sock on a shower rod.

You know, everytime I make a Jarrett Bush comment, part of me hopes that TT & MM know what they’re doing with him somehow, and he’s going to someday prove me and everybody else wrong and turn into a good player. Like, maybe he’s just a late bloomer, like Al Harris or Asante Samuel.

…but then the memory of the sheer volume of all his screw-ups washes over me. I see the NFC championship game against the Giants in ‘07 when he just had to pick up a damn fumble and couldn’t do it. I see the time he had two off-sides penaties in a row that one time. I see the clip they constantly show on SportsCenter where Big Ben is throwing a TD pass to Holmes last year and Jarrett Bush trots harmlessly behind him. And on and on and on it goes.

And I sigh.

(sigh)

by Curly Lambeau on May 21, 2010 12:40 PM CDT reply actions  

They kept 3 FBs and 3 TEs on the roster last year so it is entirely possible that 2FBs and 4TEs make it this year.

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on May 21, 2010 12:43 PM CDT reply actions  

True

My thought was that it was done because Johnson was a rookie who they had to keep on the 53-man roster. They ended up using Korey Hall so little last season that I think they’re ready to give up on him and go back to 2 FB, 3 TE like before 2009.

by Brandon on May 22, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Defensive Line

RE- Cullen Jenkins, Mike Neal, CJ Wilson
NT- Ryan Pickett, BJ Raji
LE- BJ Raji, Justin Harrell, Mike Neal

I’m gonna be bold here and say the surprising move after Preseason will be the release or trade of Johny Jolly. I think his numerous mental errors (penalties), lack of pass rushing skills, and off field issues will force the team to release or trade him. Justin Harrell will remain on the team because this is his final year to prove himself and if he is healthy, he will be a tremendous asset for our defense.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on May 21, 2010 12:47 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I don’t think they’d release Jolly. Big guys with his agility don’t come along that often. He’s too much of a commodity to release outright. I wouldn’t mind seeing a trade though.

Maybe Jolly and one of our fullbacks to the Redskins for Haynesworth and their first round pick. (just kidding. It always cracks me up when people talk about packaging one of our fullbacks in a trade, as if anybody would give us a bag of footballs for our fullbacks! …or Atari Bigby… hahah. We’d be lucky to get a nice Happy Meal toy for him) Seriously, I could see Jolly getting maybe a 4th round pick if we wait for a needy team to get hit with an injury or two. …assuming that we don’t get hit with some injuries ourselves! Yeah, upon further review, I think we should stick it out with Jolly this year and worry about it when his contract is up next year, a la Colin Cole. (although Jolly’s much better than Cole, who was basically just a fat guy.)

by Curly Lambeau on May 21, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

They could almost certainly trade Jolly for a mid-round pick in 2011. I’m leaning towards him getting the Corey Williams treatment: keep him around as long as they can on one-year contracts, or trade him, but without any intention of signing him long-term. His legal problems might be enough of a red flag from him ever getting a long-term deal with the Packers.

by Brandon on May 22, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep

And he’s shown no signs that he’s interested in changing.

by Curly Lambeau on May 22, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Swain...

I dont think he makes the 53 man. He will probably be right back on the PS which would open a spot at TE for Quarless

by bizzle4 on May 21, 2010 1:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Swain

He was a default option. It’s possible they keep only 4 WRs, but they usually have 5 WR in case of injuries, so I had to add someone. After Swain, all of the other WRs have never been on the active roster, and none of them played last preseason, so I hadn’t seen any of them play. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of them stepped forward to beat out Swain.

by Brandon on May 22, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be surprised to see them only keep the top 4 WRs and keep 4 TEs then too. Finely and possibly Quarless could line up as a WR if needed.

by Gotty033 on May 22, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

choice

Thats an interesting idea… But then it comes down to a choice of Havner or Swain! I gotta give Swain the benefit of the doubt… He made a great ST play vs chicago, Havner didn’t make any ST plays… As a reciever, I would definitely take Swain over Havner!!! Havner is not a good TE… He got lucky and made a few receptions when basically nobody was covering him. Havner hasn’t impressed me in the least!!!

by Strohman on May 22, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is a very interesting choice…however I see them keeping Havner due to his ability to play more positions (TE, LB, ST, FB). I mean…why have they kept Bush around for so long when others can do that job a heck of a lot better than he can!

by Gotty033 on May 22, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Swain played WR, CB and does ST… And he’s got more potential at WR than Havner does at any position…

by Strohman on May 22, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is still assuming Lee stays on the team. I feel like he might be the odd man out if Quarless looks good. Why keep around a former starting TE when you have the younger guy that needs his time and practice.

by TrevorR on May 24, 2010 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

starting

Cuz Lee has starting experience! Cuz Lee is the best blocker among the TE! Cuz Lee is willing to play ST and is very good at them! Cuz if Finley gets hurt who do you want starting Lee, Havner or Quarless? I DEFINITELY want Lee!!!

by Strohman on May 24, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

My 53 as this moment

I could join the throng that are point out your flubs Brandon (like many of them I really don’t see Quarless or Wilson clearing waivers to make it the PS, they’ll make the 53), I’ll just put myself out there to look bad as well and put out my take on the 53.

QB: 2 (Rodgers and Flynn)
RB: 5 (Grant, Jackson, Starks, Johnson, Kuhn)
WR: 5 (DD, Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Swain)
TE: 3 (Finely, Havner, Quarless)
OL 10 (Cliffy, Spitz, Wells, Sitton, Tauch, Bulaga, Colledge, Smith, Lang, Newhouse)
DL: 7 (Jenkins, Raji, Pickett, Neal, Wilson, Harrell)
LB: 8 (CM3, Hawk, Barrnett, Jones, Poppinga, Chillar, Bishop, Obizor)
CB: 5 (C-Wood, Williams, Lee, Underwood, Shields)
S: 5 (Collins, Bigby, Burnett, Blackmon, Martin)
ST: 3 (Bryan, Crosby, Goode)

by PackApologist on May 21, 2010 1:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Doubt it will happen though

This doesn’t take into account the one last weird move TT always does right before the year starts. We should start to call it the Ryan curse.

by PackApologist on May 21, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Forgot to put on there

He would be on the PUP list early on. Probably one of the Safeties cut to give room for him.

Sorry for that oversight.

by PackApologist on May 21, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

You forgot JARRETT BUSH!!!!!!!

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on May 21, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope

That one I definitely did not forget. Bush is replaced on special teams between Pop, Martin and Shields.

by PackApologist on May 21, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

But it's Jarrett Bush!

that guy’s a stud on….ahhhhh…….ahhhhh……special teams. Yeah, Special Teams! That’s it. He hasn’t been cut yet, because he’s a beast on Special Teams.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on May 21, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

You forgot Jolly

BTW Bush played with the first team during the OTA so i think he’s prolly a front runner to make the team.

by jpulido on May 21, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm....

i wouldn’t read anything into who’s playing first team OTA. I understand how that put him in a strong position of making the team, but you never know, flukier things ave happened.

As for Jolly, I read this last night and thought about it awhile. You’re right, I don’t have him on the team and that was an oversight. However, I don’t see them keeping eight DL’s. Wilson might be a PS guy in that case, or they try to trade Jolly. I’ll stick by my weak assessment for now though and leave Jolly off the team.

by PackApologist on May 23, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would be pretty ticked if they kept Barbre on the 53 man roster. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out he allowed the most sacks out of any other individual OL last season. I remember seeing him getting straight up owned by Adewale Ogunleye (a former Indiana University player by the way) multiple times in one of the games against the Bears last year. I think the only reason they kept him on the team last year was because of a lack of depth. As much as I have always liked Donald Lee, I would not be upset to see him go to make room for Quarless. I just don’t want to see Quarless get scooped up by someone else; it would be like we wasted a draft pick, and since TT puts so much stock in the draft it would be like losing gold.

by smileyfacejackson on May 21, 2010 1:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, as bad as Barbre was against the pass (and I agree that he was beyond awful), he was still okay in the run game.

I think they should try him out at guard so that he won’t have to play in space, which is where he failed as a tackle. …and I did read that he is the backup guard right now in OTAs as Spitz comes back from back surgery.

(although I was disturbed to read that Spitz had the same kind of back surgery that Justin Harrell had! Yikes!)

by Curly Lambeau on May 21, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on May 21, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

why?

why are Bush and Barbre still on the team at all, they suck. Don Lee only looked good compared to Franks.

by Matthew Grassinger on May 21, 2010 2:54 PM CDT reply actions  

If it were up to me...

I’d release Allen Barbre and Jarrett Bush and replace them with Sam Shields and Marshall Newhouse. We got better depth at tackle, and Barbre is expendable now. Shields will be valuable to the return game, and if Blackmon goes down again, we’ll still have him. Bush was responsible for many special teams penalties and didn’t cut it at corner, and Blackmon is moving to safety, so he really needs to go. If Justin Harrell goes down, definitely bring in C.J. Wilson, and put Tim Knicky on the practice squad instead of Alex Joseph.

by Ian O'Brien on May 21, 2010 3:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Shields

You know, I have this feeling that Shields is going to be more valuable as a gunner. From what I’ve read that really seems to be what he did down at the U, and that seems to be his mindset.

And that’s a great thing.

If he pans out to be a top gunner then he can help solidify our special teams and push Bush out of a spot, cause really that’s what’s been saving Bush’s career to this point.

by PackApologist on May 21, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

tryout?

how can I get a try out? do I need an agent? I never played HS or college ball, but I’m 6’6", fast, smart, and I have big, soft hands. Will I ever get my chance?

by Matthew Grassinger on May 21, 2010 5:22 PM CDT reply actions  

How about this as a change of pace

The last few years TT has done something really weird with the roster at the last minute. Call it the Ryan Curse. So whether it’s cutting our punter in the 11th hour before the season, or keeping three fullbacks, there is always one odd thing that comes out of 1265.

This move also usually has some kind of special teams twist to it.

So my question is, what are some predictions for the weird move this year?

My guess is keeping an abnormal amount of secondary personnel.

by PackApologist on May 21, 2010 5:42 PM CDT reply actions  

or

Maybe he’ll keep 6 WR’s , after last year it’s hard to picture an abnormal amount of DB’s just as long as he doesn’t hang on to 3 TE’s and 3 FB’s

by Matthew Grassinger on May 21, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good question

There does always seem to be one thing that comes out of left field. …and doesn’t that make it impossible to predict by definition? But, to take a stab at it… how about…

4 quarterbacks (and does that make 1 fullback? …get it? “quarter”…“full”)

no, but seriously, how about…
…can’t say two punters, ‘cause that’s Sherman’s move.
…can’t say too many CBs, ‘cause that’s not so crazy.
…can’t say 3 fullbacks, ‘cause he’s already done that.
…can’t say too many white linebackers, since he does that every year (which, as an aside, isn’t it strange that nobody calls him on this? Especially since TT himself is a former white linebacker? I don’t know. I just find it odd, I guess. We’ve got to have some kind of modern era record for “most white linebackers”) anyway…
…yeah, I give up. I have no idea. I’ll go with this as my prediction:

TT will cut Desmond Bishop so that he can sign himself to a one-day contract, enabling him to ‘retire as a Packer.’ Bishop will then be claimed off waivers by the Seattle Seahawks, causing Wisconsin to experience a great disturbance in the force as millions of voices suddenly cry out in terror and are suddenly silenced. The cry that is heard will be this: “WTF?!”

by Curly Lambeau on May 22, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL. White Power!

We drafted AJ Hawk because he’s a white guy!
We drafted Clay Mathews because he’s a white guy!
We kept Aaron Kampman up until this year because he’s a white guy!
We gave Brady Poppinga a good salary because he’s a white guy!
We signed Brandon Chillar because he’s a white guy!

Oh Teddy…..Good Ol’ Teddy. : )

I mean that in a humorous way too. I’m not racist.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on May 24, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chillar

Actually Chillar isn’t white/caucasian… He’s native american… Indian. LOL

by Strohman on May 24, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

You kept Joseph on the PS

over Zombo and Knickey? Insanity!

"stay (green and) gold"

by Green and Bold on May 22, 2010 5:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Zombo and Knickey

Oh I’m not counting anyone out. But those are two guys I’ve really got to see. Can they rush the passer? I could see it right away with guys like Cullen Jenkins and Brad Jones. If they show it, as long as they can contribute on special teams too, they’ll become locks to make the roster.

by Brandon on May 22, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

alot will change between now and the start of the season....

however, donald lee, jarret bush, and brett swain will not make thr roster and will be cut.
popinga will either be traded or cut. c.j. wilson, newhouse,quarless, and sam shields will make the team. shields because of his speed, i see him on special teams and possibly as depth in the secondary. bush just needs to go period…..could’nt cover the ground if he fell on it. donald lee is only good as a blocker, not worth a roster spot for that. havner might not even make the team if quarless shows what i think he will as a player, making way for one of the free agent OLB’s (zombo maybe) . swain has an uphill battle, he has to show that he can also be a good enough reciever to consider keeping on the roster, and i just don’t see it. popinga has had a few years now and it looks like he just does not fit this defense, his coverage skills are poor, so it’s time for one of the young guns to seize the oportunity….it’s there for the taking. it should be fun to watch.

by IcemanBT on May 22, 2010 2:31 PM CDT reply actions  

QB two is a stretch with as many sacks as this team took last year . You did draft O-line #1 for a reason . If you hold both vet OT’s on opening day I’ll be suprized.
RB A vet here is a must . Who will give you the sweep at home you will need to contend with the Vikes !!!
TE solid.
WR Driver’s presence in the first six games will be solid . But after that ? Great depth in the first half of year .
OL 10 is a push as a true goal line back is more of a need . You are probably correct though this line is in flux and needs all the help it can get with Peppers,Suh , and Everson Griffen added to the North this year .
K Mama says if ya aint got something good to say ………..
Nose Good starting depth
DE Jolly was a key to this up and coming D . Know what ? Neal is a work in progress . McCarthy does have this group ready though . Mathews will be watched by the commish as all USC players will we will hope that he has 10 clean sacks this year as last .
LB Including Mathews a fine group butt…….Is AJ the next on the trading block ?
S When healthy more than good .
CB old and older . How much longer can you wait . OL or CB in the first ??? I agreed with your strategy but it doesn,t make things feel better ……
P WOW no comment ……
ST The North as a whole has some amazing KO/PR guys and unfortunately GB isn’t mentioned in this conversation . Field position on offense could help that O-line .
Overall , the schedule is slightly tougher but health as always is key . The practice squad looks improved . A healthy QB is the big question . NO real backup experience and the O-line n flux . Too many holes to get thru all 16 . Only time will tell if the gamble works for you !!!!

by gothicpurple on May 23, 2010 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Goth, you gotta do some research man!

QB two is a stretch with as many sacks as this team took last year . You did draft O-line #1 for a reason . If you hold both vet OT’s on opening day I’ll be suprized.

What do you mean if we hold both vet OT’s on opening day you’ll be surprised? Are you saying we’re going to cut one? Seems doubtful after we just signed both to new deals…

RB A vet here is a must . Who will give you the sweep at home you will need to contend with the Vikes !!!

I guess I’d consider Grant a vet. He’s 29, and has started for us the past 3 years. I’m not real high on him but he still is a veteran guy.

WR Driver’s presence in the first six games will be solid . But after that ? Great depth in the first half of year .

What do you mean first 6 games? Are you predicting injuries now too!? Nelson and Jones have been just fine behind him, but honestly without Driver we’d be fine with Jennings and Finley.

It’s laughable that you’d mention Griffen with Peppers and Suh, and even Suh with Peppers. Peppers is an all-pro, Suh was considered the best DT prospect in the last 20 years, and Griffen was a guy who dropped to the 4th round because he is terribley inconsistent.

DE Jolly was a key to this up and coming D . Know what ? Neal is a work in progress . McCarthy does have this group ready though . Mathews will be watched by the commish as all USC players will we will hope that he has 10 clean sacks this year as last .

Jolly really isn’t a key. He was probably our 4th best DL behind Jenkins, Pickett, and Raji. He had been playing less and less as the season went on, and Raji got healthy. He’s great as a depth guy but even if he isn’t available for us, we drafted a couple of DT’s this year. So just because Cushing went to USC and tested positive for PED’s that means Matthews was on them too? Seems silly. Does that mean Malaluga and Matthews did too? Hell, does it mean Sanchez took them? Flawed logic there.

CB old and older . How much longer can you wait . OL or CB in the first ??? I agreed with your strategy but it doesn,t make things feel better ……

Well to answer, we went OL first. Woodson had his best year ever last year. It’s not out of the question to think he has a couple good years left. Tramon Williams is good, and let’s see how our 2nd round pick from 2008 Pat Lee pans out. Underwood was also a guy who was better then expected last season, and appears to have a future as a starting Cb (probably nickel).

P WOW no comment ……

I’m curious, do you even know either of the guys we have on the roster now at punter haha? Judging by some of your evalutations of us, I’m guessing you don’t. That aside, the punting situation doesn’t look pretty. Though getting rid of Kapinos and bringing in 2 new guys was a good move.

ST The North as a whole has some amazing KO/PR guys and unfortunately GB isn’t mentioned in this conversation . Field position on offense could help that O-line .

Actually, we do have a pretty good return guy. Will Blackmon. He was injured last season but had 2 punt return TD’s in 2008, and average 12 yards per return. Also average 23 yards on kickoff returns. Not great, but not too bad. It could be argued that after Hester, Blackmon is the best punt returner in the division.

by packallday555 on May 25, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Close, but wrong on rookies

I believe all 7 rookies will make the 53-man roster. Quarless instead of Donald Lee; Newsome instead of Barbre, CJ Wilson over Harrell. I also think Shields makes the team and Harris starts on the PUP list and goes on the 53 after 6 games replacing a DB who is injured.

I also think Poppinga, Swain, and Bush are very much on the bubble. I wouldn’t be surprised to see one of the FA OLBs make the team over Poppinga. Should be a competitive training camp.

by aaronqb on May 23, 2010 2:49 PM CDT reply actions  

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