Johnny Jolly Trial Postponed Until Friday
by Brandon on Jun 2, 2010 12:03 AM CDT
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PrintDE Johnny Jolly was scheduled to begin his trial on Tuesday, but it was delayed (AGAIN!) until Friday. Since he was arrested back in July 2008 it's come out that he was warned "to be careful about whom he associated with in Houston" and he was recently hosting a club party. Now he's failed a polygraph but passed a drug test.
The Green Bay Packers seem content to wait the trial out because they've just re-tendered their contract offer to him but there is some speculation that he might be released.
What should they do with him? At this point - nothing. Maybe he'll plead to a lesser charge. Maybe he'll be found innocent. Maybe he'll be found guilty and sentenced to prison time. Maybe he's put himself into some bad spots in the past and he just needs another chance. We'll just have to wait and see.
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I hope he is released
He is average at best with little upside. Factoring in his numerous mental mistakes on the field and now his issues off the field, it’s just not worth keeping him on the roster. I feel we can get the same production or more with Mike Neal, Justin Harrell, Pickett / Raji, and maybe just maybe even CJ Wilson.
I’m optimistic of Justin Harrell though. I have a feeling he will shine. Man it’s a tough gut feeling to express, but I just have it.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
We lose a LOT of depth this year if cut him. Could really make us vulnerable to an injury. Now if we have him (after his suspension) out there as a backup we have a solid deep line. I guess the good thing is that hopefully the coaches will use this opportunity to give Neal and Wilson lots of time on the line in practice!!
Average at best
He certainly doesn’t offer much in pass rush, which is all that most fans think about, but he was VERY good vs the run! Remember he was drafted as a 43 DT, not a 34 DE, so his skill set is more suited for playing inside rather than outside! THat said, the Packers said he had his best year last season.
He certainly has value to alot of teams. Any 43 team would like to have him as starting DT are hard to find. THere is no way the Packers release him. My guess is he plays this year for the Packers and depending on the development of Neal and Wilson they either trade him or he walks as a FA and we get a compensatory pick for him!
Except he was terrible in his one and only year in the 4-3 in 2008
I think he was better in the 3-4 because he was less exposed as opposed to being in the 4-3 where teams always went right after him. Pickett struggled a little too, but not as noticable.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
1. Cullen Jenkins
2. BJ Raji
3. Ryan Pickett
4. Mike Neal
5. Justin Harrell
6. CJ Wilson
We only need 6 guys on the depth chart at the most for the defensive line. Harrell is the only question mark, but I am optimistic about him this year. We’d be better off using his sport of the roster on someone in the secondary for depth and Special Teams.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
DL
My guess is they go w/ 7 DL… Jolly isn’t going anywhere yet. At least not this year! In addition there is a good chance that Wilson goes on the practice squad. Harrells injury concerns make it almost a MUST to have another viable DL on the roster. A long shot might be Ronald Talley. He’s been on the PS for at least the past year and might be ready to step into a roster spot…
Not a good roster
Raji and Jenkins have lost parts of seasons with injuries, and Raji, despite his big contract, is showing signs of wear and tear. After than, you have rookies who have never played in the NFL, and the Immortal Justin Harrell (I can’t believe ANYBODY would count on that guy). I like Johnny Jolly as a football player and I hope his legal problems get worked out. His lawyer should be smacked however, for letting him show up in court dressed like that. Spend $1,000 on a suit — he can afford it.
Raji
Exaxtly how do you think Raji is showing signs of wear and tear?!! I don’t see that at all…
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY (including the Packers), is counting on Harrell. If, he can stay healthy and contribute EVERYONE will take it as a bonus!
Pickett
I thought Pickett played really well last year. What do you base his wear and tear on? He missed practice yesterday as a precaution. Still can’t see him wearing down…. Not unusual for NT to play well into and over 30 yrs old. Pat Williams is 38 and showing signs of wear, but I think Pickett could play out his contract! Guess is the Packers trade him if they find a younger NT in a year or two.
You have all that money and you wear that, too court????
by I love football! on Jun 2, 2010 10:19 AM CDT reply actions
When you've got tattoos all the way down your arm and past your knuckles
It might be a wise idea to wear a long sleeve shirt while in court for felony drug possession.
by Charlie Kelly on Jun 2, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Most long sleeves are on shirts
Although I guess they could be on sweaters or jackets. He should be wearing a suit, with a tie.
Maybe, just Maybe
He is acting as if he’s innocent… You know the whole innocent until PROVEN guilty thing?!!!
Even if that wasn't his codene...
he never should have been in that situation to start with
It’s still way early, but I gotta think that when it comes time for roster cut-downs, Jolly’s going to have to work to avoid getting cut, even if there’s no conviction.
Mistake
I didn’t say it wasn’t a mistake to be in that situation, but that doesn’t make him guilty either. I have been saying for awile now, WHY would the Packers put a 1st rd tender on him if they didn’t think he would be aquitted? I would think they know all there is to know about the case, and it seems to me, they could have put a much lower tender on him if they thought he was really guilty… I could be wrong, but makes you wonder…
Her can't
I’m a lawyer. He can’t make public statements about how sorry he is — the prosecutors will use themn against him. Wait until after the trial for contriteness, then judge if it is sincere. But right now, his lawyers aren’t letting him say anything.
They’re also not telling him how to dress. Or not to let people take pictures of you sitting on the floor.
Seriously! How did this picture happen? Wow…he hired a terrible legal team OR he’s just an idiot and doesn’t listen to them.
Haha I was wondering the same..The picture of him on the floor looked bad too me, and then I noticed what he was wearing, which made it even worse!
by packallday555 on Jun 3, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Justin Harrel
I think people were optimistic about him last year, too. I am therefore extremely skeptical of any planning that includes him. Given his track record, my money is on him to be injured in pre-season. Also, questions of health aside, whether he can play at the requisite level of ability is still something of a mystery.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Jun 2, 2010 3:32 PM CDT reply actions
Planning
I don’t think ANYONE is actually planning on having a healthy Harrell this season. More a matter of, if he stays healthy and contributes, we’ll take it as a bonus… An unexpected bonus! Why do you think they drafted 2 DE?
Yea, at this point I'm not expecting to get any return on the Harrell investment
But if for some unforeseeable reason, he lives up to his potential, or even stays healthy and provides solid depth I’ll be pleasantly surprised.
by Charlie Kelly on Jun 2, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
You are right
It’s two issues. First, can he stay healthy? The evidence to date is that he can’t. Second, even if healthy, can he contribute? He has played in a handful of games and he has done nothing noteworthy.
Yeah, who really knows. I just don’t see him ever getting onto the field.
by packallday555 on Jun 3, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
jolly
you can take the rat out of the hood, but you can’t take the hood out of the rat.
jolly’s a thug and should be shown the door…….4-6 game suspension is very likely.
maybe jolly can help the packers out by helping the trainers pass out vicodin, errr, aspirin to injured players. i heard he aspires to become a “pharmacist” when his football career is over.
Texas
Isn’t there something constitutional about having a trial within a decent time frame? Article 8 of the Bill of Rights?
JSOnline reports that prosecutors are claiming that Jolly was trafficking drugs from 2006 to 2008. Read the article. It sounds a lot like Texas-style justice for a Black man.
There is...
… but it’s not as cut and dried as that. The defense often is the reason for the delay, and the timing of the trial in relation to the filing of the charges are what matters, not the passage of time since the crime was committed. In this case, the defense sought delays so Jolly could finish the 2008 and now the 2009 seasons, and the case was dismissed last summer and reissued.
So while the crime occurred a while ago, the case is less than a year old this time around, and it’s gotten that old in part because of Jolly’s wish to play football. In any event, getting to trial in less than a year of filing the charge is usually enough to avoid a constitutional objection.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Aren't you one of the ten or so that hangs out on Brew Crew Ball?
Do give my best to that creepy little bald guy over there.
And you forgot to mention that the right to speedy trial is a defendant’s right, not the government’s.
I didn't say it was the government's right, bright boy.
And while I didn’t say it was the defendant’s right, I did say that the defendant’s contribution to the delay is taken into consideration when evaluating whether the speedy trial right has been violated. I also used the words “constitutional objection” and as anyone who’s had a civics class in junior high knows, the constitution doesn’t guarantee the rights of the government, but the people. Next time try reading a comment before responding to it.
And there are more than 10 of us that hang out at BCB. There are more people there than there are around here, in fact.
Now tell me this: are you always this stupid, or are you just in a bad mood?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
The obvious point
As a lawyer myself, and one who routinely handle complex civil and criminal litigation, I think your explanation omitted the obvious point — the right to speedy trial is a defendant’s right. I re-read your comment, again, and it isn’t of the caliber that the intelligent readers on this blog should have to wonder about. It belongs on that other blog, the one with a mere handful of club members.
The right to speedy trial IS reasonably cut and dried, from the defendant’s perspective. If the defendant wants a speedy trial, the defendant is entitled to one. The defendant can waive that right by requesting continuances, as Jolly has in this particular case. The government has the advantage of being able to put its case together through other means — a grand jury, for example — that are not available to a defendant.
You're not the only lawyer in the room.
The right to a speedy trial is simple in theory, but complex in application, which is what my original comment pointed out. And i think you know that. I think you just chose to be deliberately obtuse (and continue to do so) because you recognized my name from BCB and wanted to pick a fight because your feelings are hurt over the fact that you got banned there. In fact, the only person who seemed to be confused was you, suggesting that you are either a bad lawyer who doesn’t know what they’re talking about, OR, that you’re pretending that my comment was confusing so you can get into an argument. Either way, you’re wasting my time.
You’re quite correct that a defendant has the right to a speedy trial if they want one, which I think my original comment made clear. But the constitutional right to a speedy trial is generally not violated until a year lapses after a charge is issued, which hasn’t happened in this case. It’s also obvious that Jolly didn’t want a speedy trial, since he contributed to the delays that have occurred. And your last sentence, and the reference to a grand jury, is completely beside the point.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 4, 2010 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And you need to be nicer
Insulting readers by calling them “stupid” can get you banned on low-quality blog sites. Ask that creepy little bald guy. Of course, reasonable debate by posters other than the “usual 10” are welcome on this site, so you’re okay here.
If Brandon wants to ban me he can.
I’ll call it like I see it. You need to be less bitter about getting the hook at a site that you obviously didn’t like in the first place.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 4, 2010 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I have no idea if he'll be convicted or not...
… but if he is, say goodbye. The prosecutor is now alleging that Jolly was involved in the distribution of drugs, and not just codeine, in the Houston area. If so, this isn’t just a substance abuse problem, it’s a character problem, and he’ll get the hook from Goodell if he goes down even if he dodges prison. Obviously, if Jolly gets a prison sentence, what the NFL does is beside the point.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/95460664.html
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 7:46 PM CDT reply actions
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