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Aaron Rodgers Loves ESPN

Since I'm someone who usually changes the channel or hits the mute button anytime one of the ESPN talking heads comes on Sportscenter (I'm only watching the highlights), I'm firmly in QB Aaron Rodgers's camp on this one. Shutdown Corner has part of the transcript where he bashes Tony Kornheiser ("I don't think (he) knows anything about sports"), Ron Jaworski ("I know your song and dance") and Marcellus Wiley ("He's not any good.")

Later he tweeted that he "didn't realize people actually listened to a homers show" and it was "in jest." Does he really think these guys know nothing, or are they all friends and was he just giving the ESPN guys a hard time? My guess is that the truth is somewhere in between. And it probably doesn't matter since he's arguably the best (fantasy) QB in the NFL, and they're not.

Kornheiser said in response, via The Big Lead, that Rodgers vented because Kornheiser was "publicly critical of the Packers" when they "got rid of [Brett] Favre for an untested player." He should listen to the interview again because Rodgers was being critical of the dumb questions you were asking during MNF production meetings and not what you said publicly.

And he can rip my Monday morning QB analysis anytime he wants because I don't know what to do against a storm blitz either.

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A-Rod took alot words out of my mouth

Kornheiser was really a struggle to listen to. But if you listen to the interview, He totally nails Mike Tirico being maybe the best play by play guy in football. I think we can all learn to appreciate Mike Tirico even more than we do.

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by jobe on Jun 9, 2010 1:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Kornheiser is alright in my book, but I agree that everyone else is terrible. Dilfer shouldn’t be on an NFL analysist, but he’s better than most chumps on there.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Jun 9, 2010 1:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Awesome interview.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Jun 9, 2010 1:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Saw this on Google news this morning and came over here...

…to express my admiration for your QB. Kornheiser IS an idiot, and it’s high time that someone brought him to heel for it. You might have expected it after old Tony called for motorists to intentionally hit bicyclists and then, by way of apology, had Lance Armstrong on the show, but no. Sadly, it took Rodgers, who seems not to have realized that anyone was listening, to finally give a realistic, unvarnished opinion.

Here’s hoping Kornheiser gets the axe.

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by DannoE on Jun 9, 2010 6:54 AM CDT reply actions  

no doubt

Kornheiser was THE worst decision espn made with their broadcasting booth. I literally stopped caring about MNF when he was a broadcaster, it was unlistenable and that isn’t even a word…I had to make up a word to describe how bad it was!

by TrevorR on Jun 9, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wowser

I can’t believe he just said that. Gutsy move A-Rod. I agree with him though, his honesty is much appreciated.

by Tim V on Jun 9, 2010 7:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Ridiculous

It’s ridiculous how much flak Rodgers is getting for his comments. Not only the comments about Kornheiser, which I tend to agree with, but for his list of top 5 qbs (and OMG leaving out Favre) and his perceived “attitude”. Seriously, I the Favre loyalists will look for any little thing to criticize Rodgers.

I listen to Homer fairly consistently and people need to understand that the sarcastic/condescending tone is just the dynamic between Aaron and Homer. It’s playful banter that the haters want to take as him being a genuine asshole.

by chewie on Jun 9, 2010 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

I listen to Homer fairly consistently and people need to understand that the sarcastic/condescending tone is just the dynamic between Aaron and Homer. It’s playful banter that the haters want to take as him being a genuine asshole.

Yeah, that’s what I tried to tell some Vikes fans over on DN. It seemed pretty obvious to me that the two were going back and forth taking playful stabs at each other.

by packallday555 on Jun 9, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I saw. Lol it was a valiant effort, but there’s no way to argue with guys like R4F because we are handicapped by reason.

by chewie on Jun 9, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haha yep, pretty much impossible.

by packallday555 on Jun 9, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!!

So true…just SO true. I don’t even waste my time talking to that illogical rube.

by TrevorR on Jun 9, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

My heart went out to you

That was the first RFF post I read. I can honestly say it was a bit disturbing actually. I even kicked around the idea of joining in to defend you, but I didn’t see a point. How can one reason with a person who has such a man crush on one player? Or to a fan base that has sold their collective souls to that same player so much that so few see reason on these points (that’s Purple Jesus and Grime primarily)?

by PackApologist on Jun 9, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh you haven’t seen him before? Its pretty amazing actually because he is clearly just bitter as hell at the Packers and in love with Brett. Its ALL he talks about on there…never about anything but Favre. Kinda sad…kinda trollish except he just stays on their board so its not! haha

by TrevorR on Jun 9, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I saw he lived in GB

He claimed that much at least. I guess it just reminds me of the saddest part of that whole saga, the fans who decided to leave. I guess I don’t understand the people who cheer for one player over the team. I know I have only done that when I am not a big fan of the sport, so I cheered for Jordan, but wouldn’t think of myself as a Bulls fan.

Oh well, it takes all types to make the world go round. Right?

by PackApologist on Jun 9, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, for the sports that I truly love (football and basketball), I don’t think I could ever cheer against my favorite team. No matter what the circumstances were/are.

by packallday555 on Jun 10, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

As an old friend of mine used to say

“It don’t take all kinds, we just have all kinds.”

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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 15, 2010 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, probably just best too stay out of it. I decided to bite my tongue a bit regarding some things in that post too.

by packallday555 on Jun 10, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

but sarcasm and condescension are marks of an asshole

That kind of assholish tone is the mark of an asshole. Assholes will often tell you that they are merely acting like assholes rather than being assholes, you know, in the ontological sense. The distinction is usually lost on the rest of us.

Whatever. He’s just a football player, some guy on the TV screen. “Kornheiser” is another video projection. Let them fight it out in medialand.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Jun 9, 2010 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

I suppose

but I tend to think he just has an awkward sense of humor.

by chewie on Jun 9, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

meh…if I see it creep out into other areas then maybe I get concerned. If ex teammates start to mention it or something then we can talk. Until then I think he’s probably just having some fun.

by TrevorR on Jun 9, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Tirico and Gruden

I think the game has changed a lot since Jaws played it, he knows players, but I think Gruden is by far the best analysis guy.

Good bye Big Walt.

by Generzal Zod on Jun 9, 2010 12:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I like Gruden the most by far. Seems like he is the most football intelligent of all the guys, which should probably be expected.

by packallday555 on Jun 9, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup…Gruden is great on there…I think they either need to stick with him OR Jaws or they will just keep stepping on each others toes.

by TrevorR on Jun 9, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I honestly don’t watch much MNF but when I do I tend to have little patience for the Gruden/Jaws combo. If the network is committed to the three man set up then you need to have a heel in order to keep the conversation moving. Gruden and Jaws just throw too much love on the stars in the game which becomes annoying if the game itself isn’t interesting.

by PackApologist on Jun 9, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

spot on with the love bashing

and not even trying to start anything with this but it seemed like every MNF game they would spend aleast 5 minutes talking about Favre even if he wasnt playing in that game!

But its also not even just MNF alot of the commentators are annoying and are just stupid! Thats when I usually turn on mute and listen to Wayne Laravee (sp?) maybe one of the best play by play guys on the radio

by bizzle4 on Jun 9, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah you do have a point there…they both seem to just harp on and on about how much they love everyone. I think the problem is just that they are too much the same…they need to pick one of them and move on and then replace the other with an interesting personality who brings something new to the equation.

by TrevorR on Jun 9, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Kornheiser wasn’t great, but at least he could play the heel well and let Jaws shine.

by PackApologist on Jun 9, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Rodgers comments were in jest

"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn

by 49er16 on Jun 9, 2010 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I am sure they were…but if you WANT to hate him, its going to seem like he’s an ass and if you want to love him its going to seem like he’s just having a good time with it.

by TrevorR on Jun 9, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly. For a guy like R4F, who hates Rodgers, his interview made it easy to try and point out his “arrogance” and all that other garbage he is always saying. To me, it just seemed like two guys taking playful shots at one another. It doesn’t really surprise me that some of the Viking fans didn’t see it that way though.

by packallday555 on Jun 10, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some Vikings fans have reason.

Which means they can think about it rationally and laugh it off. Other Vikings fans just can’t. It’s not even possible for them to let go of something like this. And why that is, I have no idea…

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 13, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Personally

I think Rodgers should have just said that what the ESPN analysists motivated him to work harder to improve. Instead, he did call them out. On the other hand though, I appreciate his guts to call out somebody he doesn’t have respect for. It’s not easy to play the game against the media. If somebody was saying crap about me, I’d do everything in my power to prove him wrong. After that, it is human nature to point it out when you succeed.

The NFL teams have done a good job of keeping its players less vocal towards the media. However, Rodgers is at that point of stardom. He will be called out if he falters. I’m sure he is well aware of the risk. Overall, this whole thing does not bother me.

Guys like R4F are just idiots. Like Favre never called anybody out? Favre called out his own teammates! When has Rodgers done that? Now you tell me, which one is the A-Hole? Just for the record though, I did support Favre for calling out guys like Javon Walker. Point is, Rodgers and Favre have both done it. So the Favre lovers have no leverage in this argument.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Jun 10, 2010 12:07 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Wow

My grammer was terrible in the first sentence. Sorry, I’m tired today.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Jun 10, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

When I first heard of Kornheiser (I'll be nice, and leave his name alone),

 he was a funny little print humorist/columnist, and I (my younger, less wise self) looked forward to seeing his syndicated column each week.
Then, the first time i ever saw him on TV was, of course, on ESPN (PTI, I think) and I immediately realized that it was just wrong, and that he needed to go back to exclusively print (more accurately, we needed him to).
I thought he was awful back then, and he has never done one thing to even nudge that opinion.

Two years ago, right after Rodgers starting debut win over the Viqueens (when Bertt Favre’s career was still in a holding pattern with the Jets), ColdHardFootballFacts.com ran an article about Kornheiser’s coverage of the game.

We know Kornheiser is clueless because his entire commentary during Green Bay’s 24-19 win over Minnesota Monday night revolved around one player and one player only – one player who wasn’t even playing.
Kornheiser’s role on Monday Night Football is to be the Joe Six-Pack "everyman" – just the regular schlep who throws in his two cents, but leaves the real analysis to the expert (Jaworski).

(They like Jaws a lot over at CHFF. :)

It might be a good shtick, if not for one problem:
We know a lot of Joe Six-Packs, folks, and so do you. None of them are like Kornheiser.

This article is a couple of years old, but is relevant to the topic at hand, and is still well worth the (re-)read.

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by NorthStarr on Jun 11, 2010 3:43 AM CDT reply actions  

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