Andrew Brandt On Mark Chmura and Brandon Underwood

by Brandon on Jun 9, 2010 8:00 AM CDT in Green Bay Packers Analysis

Andrew Brandt has written a couple of good articles in regards to the CB Brandon Underwood assault investigation, including a brief recollection of the Deuce of Davenport incident, and he compares it the criminal trial of TE Mark Chmura. From the National Football Post:

What struck me driving back that day was that how, in the blink of an eye, Mark Chmura’s career, reputation, image and family life changed, all on a public stage. That is how fast it can happen, which should be a cautionary tale for all players, including Underwood.

As mentioned in previous comments, the incident doesn't appear quite as bad as it did initially. As reported by the Press-Gazette, RG Josh Sitton said the charges are "bogus" and Underwood is now back at practice with the first team defense.

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Yeah I saw this article too…thought about posting it but just felt like we had way too many articles on this (non?) story already so I didn’t. It was interesting to hear his behind the scene’s story on the Chumura incident though.

by TrevorR on Jun 9, 2010 9:13 AM CDT reply actions

Chmura

Just a note to show my appreciation for Chuey …very real threat to all players out there. It might only take one stupid night to turn life into nightmare. Bad situations are far more numerous than bad players in the NFL. Love our Pack ! Still only positive and fun memories of a tight end we all loved once.

by lsvgold on Jun 9, 2010 9:58 AM CDT reply actions

nnnnnah

C’mon…

True or False: Mark Chmura got in a hot-tub with high school girls.

Answer: True. That’s enough to make him at least sleezy. If anything more than that happened, then he might get into the “don’t let your daughter near this guy under any circumstances” category. But just being in the hot-tub is enough.

Don’t get me wrong, people can change and I’m not going to sit on my high horse here… But, at the same time, I’m not crying any tears for Chewey.

by Curly Lambeau on Jun 9, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions

He should have just been watching them through the blinds inside the house like everyone else, right!?! ;-)

by TrevorR on Jun 9, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions

Funny

But, yeah, I think one of the things that caused such a stir with Chewey’s actions is that we all understand the temptation. There’s a lot of grey areas when it comes to sexual ethics in our society, but going after high school girls is a bright, neon line that a guy just doesn’t cross.

…at least for now. We’ll see what happens in the future if the Democrats stay in power. (that was for uglyfatpimplynerd, who’s obviously wound a little too tight when it comes to politics)

by Curly Lambeau on Jun 9, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions

LOL

“We’ll see what happens in the future if the Democrats stay in power. "

IF thats the case then dipping cigars will be legalized!!! LMAO

by Strohman on Jun 9, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions

Hypocrite of the worst sort

Chmura was too pure to visit the White House when Clinton was prez, but somehow drinking and getting in a hot tub with high school girls is OK? The hypocritical bastard isn’t getting any sympathy here.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Jun 9, 2010 11:34 AM CDT reply actions

Well, Chewey’s never said that what he did was “OK.”

That doesn’t get him off the hook, but it does mean that he’s not a hypocrite. So… while I’d agree that he was a bastard, he wasn’t a hypocritical bastard.

by Curly Lambeau on Jun 9, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions

But he did it!

He blew off the White House visit for a golf tournament & later criticised Clinton, saying he knew what a bad guy he was all along. He’s also on the record for applauding Shermie’s dumping of dope smoking teamates and saying that Charles Barkley and Dennis Rodman were poor role models. But there he is a year or so down the road partying in a tub with high school girls. That made everything he said about morality false and hypocritical.

I’m not a Democrat, Curly, and i’ve never liked or even respected ol’ Bill, but all the same, i think that stuff about Clinton was classless grandstanding from Chmura. All the more so after the night of the hot tub.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Jun 9, 2010 2:10 PM CDT reply actions

I know he did it. My point is: so does he.

Being guilty of doing something that he condemned doesn’t make him a hypocrite. He would only be a hypocrite if he said that he himself was justified in doing what he condemned. In other words “it’s wrong when somebody else does X; but I can do X and it’s okay.”

In Chewey’s case, he condemned Clinton’s behavior (very publicly), and then was caught in similarly bad behavior, at which point he’s self-condemned. He had become what he previously criticized. …but, still, as long as he admits that what he did was wrong (which makes him guilty), then he’s not a hypocrite.

by Curly Lambeau on Jun 9, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions

And, btw, I think I read that Chmura has since said that he regrets dissing Clinton in the way he did. So, y’know, you can look at that from the hypocrisy angle and say that, in order to avoid being guilty of what he’d condemned, he backed off his judgment that the behavior is wrong instead of admitting that he was a bad person. In other words, the progression went like this:

He says that Clinton is bad for doing X
He is found guilty of X
He no longer condemns X

It would’ve been better for him to say “I’m guilty and I’m sorry.” …but nobody’s willing to do that.

by Curly Lambeau on Jun 9, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions

interesting definition of hypocrisy you got there

you some kind of criminal defense lawyer or something? ;-)

by swilldog on Jun 9, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions

No I’m not. It’s just… that’s what the word means.

“Hypocrite” is one of our more commonly misused words, I would say. …and it’s a big difference. I mean, if we were only allowed to praise those virtues that we ourselves exemplified and to condemn those sins of which we were completely innocent…. it’s like, nobody would ever say anything.

by Curly Lambeau on Jun 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hypocrisy

Here are two actual definitions:
The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
The practice of professing standards, beliefs, etc., contrary to one’s real character or actual behaviour, esp the pretence of virtue and piety

I think one can say something is bad and make a mistake, do that thing he is against, and still think its bad to do. Just because someone does something contrary to their beliefs doesn’t mean they condone their actions which is what he would have to do to be a “hypocrite”. I couldn’t tell you if Chumura ever condemned his actions but I’ll guess he never said much about them due to the criminal case against him.

by TrevorR on Jun 9, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions

GREAT point and clarification. The only way you are a hypocrite is if you condone the actions for yourself but not for others…like a parent who could lie to their children but not allow their children to lie to them.

by TrevorR on Jun 9, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions

And I take back what I said about you being wound too tight on politics, btw. I thought this was a “how dare he criticize my idol Bill Clinton! I hate him for life” situation. That’s clearly not the case.

by Curly Lambeau on Jun 9, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions