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Start: Pickett, Raji, and Jenkins On The Defensive Line

One thing the season long suspension of Green Bay Packers DE Johnny Jolly did was solidify the starting lineup for the defensive line. When OTAs were underway in June, DE Ryan Pickett was surprisingly at defensive end while NT B.J. Raji was starting at nose tackle. Now instead of wondering about Jolly's new role as a backup, or whether this new alignment was a good idea, we can be pretty sure that starting the top 3 returning defensive linemen are going to start. And this only relates to starting on 1st down when pass rushing is not at a premium. 

Left DE: Ryan Pickett. He started there last month, and their franchise player has to start somewhere, right?

NT: B.J. Raji. It's hard to argue against finding a starting position for your previous year's top 10 draft pick. Plus he did improve as the 2010 season went on. If any defensive player is going to make the jump in 2010, he's on the short list.

Right DE: Cullen Jenkins. He remains their best defensive lineman.

Star-divide

When the Packers went to a nickel formation, generally (not always because Dom Capers did unveil some unusual formations last season) Pickett came out. Jolly usually remained in the game as a pass rushing tackle, which accounts for one of the reasons why he ranked first in snaps and tackles among defensive lineman last season. Another reason why Jolly played so much was because of an early season ankle injury to Raji and a late season hamstring injury to Pickett. Interesting point: while Jolly wasn't much of a pass rusher he had 10 pass defenses in 2009 which made him arguably the best lineman in pass coverage and an asset on pass defense.

So the question isn't about whether they can replace Jolly as a run defender, but whether they can replace him against the pass.

There's also the minor question of who will backup Pickett and Raji against the run in case of an injury. Since that backup player would probably play less time then anyone else on defense, he would be the first player to go when they switch to the nickel, I'm not too worried about the backup to the least used position on defense. 

They aren't going to replace Jolly as a coverage player, so it's more likely his replacement is going to have get after the quarterback. Here are the candidates:

DE Mike Neal. The 2nd round draft choice is going to have a lot of eyes (including mine) on him this preseason. GM Ted Thompson already gave his seal of approval by using a 2nd round pick on him, and fans as Purdue watched as every opponent focused their attention on stopping him. He's still an unknown as a pass rusher, but he appears to have the most potential. 

DEs Ronald Talley/Jarius Wynn/C.J. Wilson. I'm not expecting much from Talley, but Wynn proved he could play a little last preseason. It's hard to say about Wilson until I see him play this preseason. It's not a bad thing if all they get out of this group is another season of Wynn sitting deep on the bench.

NTs Anthony Toribio and Aleric Mullins. Just as Wynn looked good last preseason, so did Toribio. Mullins falls into the same category as Wilson: I want to see him first. If anyone got a leg up on a roster spot with Jolly's suspension, it's these two guys. At 315 and 319, respectively, they would be more likely to fill the 300+ lb. roster spot vacated by the 325 lb. Jolly. 

DE Justin Harrell. Normally a healthy, former 1st round selection, would rank higher. But I'm not considering him until I see him on the field. From the absence of negative reports about his health, this appears to be the healthiest he's been since joining the Packers. We'll have to see how he holds up next month.

And that's it. That doesn't seem like a lot, but that was why they tendered a contract to Jolly in the first place. Still, I've mentioned two high draft choices and a few interesting late round picks, so the cupboard isn't bare. What do you think of this group so far?

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Who should start on the defensive line?
LE Pickett, NT Raji, RE Jenkins
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Some other alignment
42 votes

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Neal looks like a bull!

Dude has massive legs. Hope he can really push Pickett for that spot, but only after he gains experience.

GO PACK GO!

by Pack-R-bacK on Jul 19, 2010 8:18 AM CDT reply actions  

I think Neal will win the job in Nickel/Dime Packages

Jolly was playing because Raji was injured most of the year and we had nobody else on our thin roster. Now we have Neal and maybe the others that can come in and help collapse the pocket. He is an ox. Everytime I read reports on Neal, I can’t stop thinking of Jay Ratliff. He is an undersized NT, but is extremely strong and athletic. Hopefully Neal can play to a level of comparison in the NFL, even at the DE position. With Neal and Jenkins in on passing downs, we get our 2 quickest DE’s when we need them most.

Justin Harrell is considered a hidden gem at this point. If he stays healthy and works his way onto the field, then great. If Pickett fails at the DE position, then Harrell may get an even bigger window of opportunity. I never expect a 7th Round pick or undrafted players to make an impact so early in their career. Yeah, Jones did well for a 7th Round pick, but in all seriousness, that is a very rare occurance.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Jul 19, 2010 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Pickett - Raji - Jenkins

is easily our best starting line-up…but it will definitely change over the course of the game. On nickel situations I see Pickett coming out in favor of Neal. But then also to give Raji a spell every now and then, I think we’ll see Pickett slide to NT with Jenkins and Neal.

Essentially, Pickett, Jenkins, and Neal will rotate at DE and Pickett will spell Raji at NT every now and then. Despite my article the other day, I hope Harrell stays healthy and can contribute as well.

"stay (green and) gold"

by Green and Bold on Jul 19, 2010 11:15 AM CDT reply actions  

That would seem to be the most likely scenario.

RDE – Jenkins and Wilson
NT – Raji and Pickett
LDE – Pickett, Harrell and Neal

Passing downs
Raji and Jenkins then Neal…

by Strohman on Jul 19, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Icould easily see Harril taking snaps at Nose, he has the bul.k for it

by the yooper on Jul 20, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm a little confused

In the Nickel/Dime Packages, there are only 2 defensive linemen that act as DT’s, then there are 2 OLB’s. Of course that is out of the base packages. There really is no NT in these packages.

This is my hunch for the base 3-4:
RE- Jenkins
NT- Raji
LE- Pickett

For the Nickel and Dime Packages:
ROLB- Mathews
DT- Jenkins
DT- Neal
LOLB- Jones

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Jul 19, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Raji is going to get most of nickel/dime pass rush opportunities

If you want pressure in the QBs face in nickel/dime you need one DT to collapse the pocket and Raji is that man. Jenkins and Neal can’t collapse the pocket like Raji and Raji would draw doubles to allow Jenkins or Neal to be pure inside pass rushers and play off the double Raji draws. Jenkins and Neal won’t be able to collapse the pocket on their own. Pickett will still be needed at NT on some run downs to give Raji a blow.

by Strohman on Jul 19, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Raji will be out there for sure. He and Jenkins played quite a bit last season in the nickel, and now that Raji is actually 100% and has some experience I’m sure he’ll be out there as much as he possibly can.

by packallday555 on Jul 19, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I also agree...to some degree

I can definatly see Raji playing alot of places and lets not forget the idea’s that Capers have for Jenkins…Imagine this…
3-4
It seems obvious that we all agree with the Jenkins, Raji, Pickett lineup for the mostpart…
Nickle and Dime
ROLB-Mathews
DT-Raji
DT-Pickett or Neal
LOLB-Jenkins
Just ponder that idea…

by SpaceGhost34 on Jul 19, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a thought

but I think Capers was thinking more in terms of the Psycho Package though. Not exactly sure on that one though.

On the contrary, I think I would feel as comfortable with Jenkins being out LOLB on passing downs as Brad Jones.

I highly doubt Pickett will get any reps in the Nickel/Dime Package. He can hold his own, but he doesn’t have the ability to collapse the pocket. It would either be Raji and Neal or Jenkins, or just Neal and Jenkins using them both as 3 Gap DT’s. I think it would be best to mix it up in a rotation between those 3. One thing we need to keep in mind is Raji doesn’t have the stamina and endurance some of these other linemen have. Bigger guys require extra rest.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Jul 19, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the experiment of Jenkins as a LB is just to get him standing up and rushing. I could see him lining up anywhere on the DL standing up and maximizing his matchup.

Ideally I would use Pickett at LDE on 1st down and depending on the distance at NT on 2nd down, to give Raji a breath so he can come back on the field on 3rd down pass downs. Raji and Pickett should each get about 2/3 of the plays in that way. Neal is going to be needed this year as a part-time DT in nickel at least. Trgo and Capers will have to find a way to split reps to keep Raji, Pickett and Jenkins rested and able to keep pressure on pass downs!

Harrell being able to play LDE in base would help Pickett alot and provide more depth. You listening Harrell? Stay healthy so we can use you!!! LOL

by Strohman on Jul 19, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jenkins

The psycho package will probly be utilized quite a bit more often this year I agree…but as far as Jenkins is concerned, I don’t want him dropping into coverage after last years playoff game…They tried it with him a few times and it wasn’t good at all…I like him standing up to rush the passer and I could see him playing the run pretty well but don’t man him on Tim Hightower…

by SpaceGhost34 on Jul 19, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

NO. I don't want Jenkins dropping at all...

Just stand him up and move him around to get the best matchup for him as a pass rusher!

by Strohman on Jul 20, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Knowing

Its hard not knowing who is going to be the starting DL. Raji and Jenkins will start, and likely Pickett, but we don’t know for sure. Beyond that we have a lot of questions that need answers. Harrells health would likely settle alot of other issues, but nobody is going to count on that. Neal is a complete unknown (until the pads are on) we don’t know what he can do. Wilson and Wynn are late rd picks and young… Its one reason Jolly was valuable… he was such a known commodity!!! Not to mention a productive one.

by Strohman on Jul 19, 2010 11:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Harrell staying healthy...

…after losing Jolly would be incredibly nice.

by TheSwish on Jul 19, 2010 12:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Tell me about it. It’d be awesome if he were to stay healthy this season, and be a solid rotational guy at the least but who knows with him.

by packallday555 on Jul 19, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the best line up that can be seen now

Really all of these questions are going to be straightened out at camp. I said it before, it really can’t be found out if Neal will pan out or if Pickett has the quickness to to play end. Add on top of that the development of Wynn, the abilities of Wilson, and the health of Harrell. Well, it’s going to be a very important camp for the DL.

by PackApologist on Jul 19, 2010 1:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Absolutly

This season camp will be huge for the Defensive line…If we can get inside pass rush or atleast Raji collapsing the pocket, our defense will be top 3 hands down.

by SpaceGhost34 on Jul 19, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

def line

we need a better pass rush this yr. and not just mathews, and def backs THE DEF.LINE

by mr.concern on Jul 20, 2010 7:44 AM CDT reply actions  

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