Where does Starks fit in?
This is the first installment of JonBob's Camp Countdown Questions series. Each day leading up to July 31st, we'll be posing a crucial question the Pack need to answer in training camp.
Normally, expectations wouldn't be high for a 6th round running back, not to mention one out of a lackluster program like the University of Buffalo.
However, James Starks is no ordinary late-round, cupcake-college player. He's big, strong, and he's got wheels, all qualities which helped him rush for a school record 1,333 yards and 16 touchdowns his junior year, despite missing two and half games due to injury. His accomplishments had him listed as a preseason Doak Walker Award candidate, and earned him a 2nd round grade from draft analysts around the country.
A nasty injury changed all that. After tearing a labrum in his right shoulder, Starks missed the entire 2009 collegiate season, and his draft stock suffered. Once thought to be a Day One prospect, 192 picks passed before he was selected by the Pack.
But all that's in the past. The moment you strap on the pads and step on field, it doesn't matter where you were picked; it matters if you can play, and James Starks certainly has the talent to do just that. With training camp only 12 days away, it's time to see what kind of impact he can make.
(And if you have concerns that what I'm doing is unethical, Brandon has given me his approval. Probably should've gotten it first, but I'm young and I'm stupid, so there you have it)
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Impossible to know
There are three positions which are very difficult to judge before camp: O-line, D-line, and running backs. The reason why it’s tough to tell what you have a player before hand is the same for all three positions. Basically, you don’t know what you have in any one of these three positions until the pads come on and the hitting starts. When guys start hitting each other
As my wife’s grandfathers says in his jokes “To make a long story,” It’s impossible to tell what Starks role will be until he is actually tackled by the D, until he takes his shots and stays healthy. Once we see him catch that pass, gets hit, and holds on…then we can talk about his hands.
Say what you will about Jackson, but he is a solid 3rd down back. He is currently our best option there because he knows the blitz picks ups, has good hands, and is reliable. Trust me, you don’t to play musical chairs with this position. Ask a Vikings fan how important Chester Taylor was to the team last year. The third down back becomes a safety net for the QB and essential to keep the offense on the field. I don’t want to be too hasty to anoint a rookie in that role who hasn’t strapped on pads yet.
Brendon Jackson
I think Jackson is turning out to be a very solid well rounded back…He wasn’t great early on but he has descent speed, has good hands and can block his ass off…James Starks might push Jackson to his full potential this year…This might turn out better for Jackson than we might think..
by SpaceGhost34 on Jul 19, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
He will pass Jackson as the number 2 back by midseason
If they thought that Jackson had not already met his potential they would not of drafted Starks. Jackson has been in the league three years already. Yes their are some injury concern with Starks (like their was with Jackson) but I think in a couple years we will look back at this years draft and say what a steal Starks was. If he learns the zone blocking scheme quickly who knows he could have an immidiate impact!
Starks
I have read and believe that Starks would have been a 2nd or 3rd round pick if he had not had the shoulder injury. Thompson got great value getting him in the 6th round. Only thing that’ll prevent him from beating out Grant next year is an injury. Yeah, he needs to show he can stay healthy and available, but sometimes thats a crap shoot.
Watching him run on the videos he has as much speed as Grant, runs lower w/ more power and is far more elusive! He has much more of a “feel” for the cutback lanes than Grant could ever hope to have. Its not just the initial cut to head upfield, but when you do cut upfield can you instinctively know and be able to make another cut into the open field. Grant doesn’t he can only make the one cut, but I saw Starks have the instincts to make the 2nd cut that breaks him into the secondary!
by Strohman on Jul 22, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
this stuff
is why I’ve been so high on him since we drafted him. I don’t think he’s going to steal Grants job this year or anything but I think he has a chance to be the number two and maybe the RB of the future.
No Guarantees in anything....
Sorry but with any heavy contact player there is never any guarantees that they will play a full season or two games in the pre-season. Unfortunately with running backs its a full gamble as to whether or not you will get a Barry Sanders (who played pretty much injury free his entire career) or a Ki – Jana Carter (who if my memory serves me right floated around the league like an injured puppy for a couple of seasons and racked up a whopping 100 yds in his career). So do I hope that Jackson can rebound from a couple of injury prone years and show some more flashes of what we had hoped for from him when we drafted him? Yes I do. As with Starks I really hope he develops into a great back that can produce many years of consistent play for us. I really feel that it is time GB went out and got a great Running Back instead of having a dozen average ones. Then again I would rather have a great QB and a solid all around good team to support him too.
DREB
by Packer-fan-atic77 on Jul 19, 2010 3:26 PM CDT reply actions
Role
I see Starks role as being the opening day kick returner, 2nd string RB and backup to Jackson as the 3rd down RB. Jackson is still to valuable for his blocking to let him go… Until Starks can prove his worth as a blocker he won’t take Jacksons role.
I think Starks has the ability to be the kick returned right NOW. Big enough to run thru arm tackles, fast enough to threaten the field…
As of now he is Grants backup. But I think Starks is far more elusive than Grant could ever hope to be. Watching the way he runs, he doesn’t run like a 6’2 RB. He is able to make breaks and cuts much quicker. Grant makes very rounded cuts and changes directions slowly, Starks makes cuts and changes of direction MUCH better!
If he stays healthy Starks takes Grants job next year and runs away w/ it for 7 yrs or so!!! He might be my next jersey… I’m am SOLD on him provided he’s can stay healthy!
speaking of his jersey
does anyone else think that #44 is a bad fit for him? hard after seeing it on a bruiser like najeh.
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Jul 19, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure on this one
I get the merits of this argument. I really do. A part of me loves this…on paper.
At the same time, giving a guy with injury problems an important role like kick returning just seems like it’s begging for problems. Especially since kick returning puts a lot of wear and tear on the body.
I know we do this every year with Will Blackmon, but isn’t that also part of the reason why our Special Teams suck like every year?
by PackApologist on Jul 19, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
If you have a better idea or option for returning kicks, I’m all for hearing it… But I also don’t want another year of Nelson, and I want some of the wear taken off Blackmon… I think Starks is the best alternatve.
If you try to keep all the players out of injury situations, nobody can play. You can’t play scared… Just have to put them in position do play a role and hope for the best!!!
I also don't want another year of Nelson drifting in the wind.
What the heck. Let’s give Starks all the opportunities he can get in the preseason.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 20, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I am with you…if the alternative is Nelson, then lets go with Starks. I thought we brought in a few young guys to vie for that role too though (Gore, dillon, Shields, etc). I hope one of those guys can step in and take that role…maybe Shields, and then we can let Starks focus on becoming a dynamic back in the future and not worry about him reinjuring himself on some freak play.
Those other guys you mentioned don't really have a position.
Shields as a CB, but he has alot to learn about playing CB and has trouble catching the ball. Until either or both of those change he’s practice squad.
Dillon and Gore are both WR, who are light years behind Swain and Patrick Williams for the #5 WR. Both Dillon and Gore are fighting for another practice squad spot, IMO.
Until those guys show they can play a position they won’t win a return job!
who would you rather have
a guy who lights up the return game in the preseason as your #5 guy or Swain…basically a guy. We can continue to be mediocre and just keep guys or we can get aggressive and give a roster spot to someone who makes an impact. Not saying these guys will but heck if one of them looks GREAT returning the ball, I say bye bye Swain or bye bye Bush…not even a second thought!
He is a big back...
But I agree…28 would fit on him or something like that…I don’t know if that number is taken or not just sayin
I’d guess he’ll at least see time as the 3rd down Rb, and probably some time as a returner too. How he performs will obviously effect what role he secures (or doesn’t). Seems like he’s the change of pace Rb that we’ve been in such desperate need of.
space them out...
Its fine if you want to promote your blog, if you are adding to this one but try to space them out a little so its not one after another after another in here.
He's a good writer and a good contributor to the site.
Let him do it… Brandon doesn’t care so why should you?
ever hopeful
that TT pulled a rabbit out of a hat and landed a super stud late in the draft. His cutups show a guy with power and speed, yet can be patient. One shoulder injury doesn’t necessarily concern me and suggest a long history of problems.
I think our RB situation is solid, if unspectacular. I’m not going to sneeze at 1200 yards, but what’s missing is the consistency of it. In Year 1 as a starter, Grant had a bunch of long runs. That spin move he put on his old team in his first action as a Packer made me a fan. I just want to see more of it.
Is Starks that guy? I hope so, but I’m not counting on it.
Competition
The one thing our team is missing is the back that can take the dump off pass for a big play. It would be great if he’s the guy. Sure looked good in the video blowing over people running away from DB’s but I caution that wasn’t a big ten defense he was doing this against so well see what he looks like against the big boys in about 2 weeks.
C'mon
I stand behind Brandon Jackson but that doesnt mean i dont want starks to become a beast…I agree that we need the pass out of the backfield threat and Starks looks like that kind of player actually. But lets see what Jackson can do with the ball coming off looking pretty good last year.
Marshal Faulk - 2000 Rams
The last “great” RB on a Super Bowl winner
I’m fine with what the Packers have considering our style of offense,
Starks should make a good push for playing time
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He will be an explosive player for us. He was recruited by Buffalo to be their quarterback. Half back pass anyone?
by Sproo44 on Jul 22, 2010 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Where does starks fit in?
Ok……. No Wynn and No Green….. so we get Starks,plus we need help on ST. I have zero complaints about Jackson. IMO he has had LIMITED opportunities. He weighs a whole whopping 2 lbs less than Starks so that puts the whole “bruising back” hypothesis out the window. Especially since the human body can fluctuate 3lbs in 48 hrs naturally.
With the limited action I have seen Jackson in——— he blocks well, can actually catch a screen pass when it is called ( unlike Grant who I like but…..) and does OK running with the LIMITED holes the O line has opened for him. I hate to say it but I will———- We have had non-stop O line issues since he has been on the roster. I am anxious to see Starks get time on the field. I also like the fact that he is tall…. so ya could throw him out there in the WR slot.
I will say that I miss watching running backs that are capable of de-cleating a player out of their shoes though… :)
Where you been man!? Good too see you back.
I will say that I miss watching running backs that are capable of de-cleating a player out of their shoes though… :)
Right on. Starks seems like he has that ability, which is one we’ve been missing for a while. Especially in a league where pure athleticism at the Rb position (regardless of size) is becoming more and more valued. It’d be nice to finally see one of our guys doing it, as opposed to AP doing it to our guys haha.
by packallday555 on Jul 24, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Good to see you and
Trevor, Booty, PA and the gang. Ive just been out fishing , camping working alot, been on this working out kick since I quit smoking last yr, been feeling good. Summers I try to take a little break from computer and TV and do stuff outside. Taking a summer class. My typing still suck obviously but blogging wiyh you guys should help the speed LOL. I am excited about our picks though…. at first I was like WTF… but now they make sense. I always learn about the game more from you guys and am ever greatfull I bumped into the site last yr.
Chris

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