Packers Related Interview With Football Outsiders - Part 1 of 2
I had the opportunity to interview Bill Barnwell of Football Outsiders about his chapter in their 2010 Football Outsiders Almanac (now available through Amazon.com) about the Green Bay Packers. Yes, this is in part a plug for their book, but I've been reading it every year they've ever published it, and I've never read a better primer for the football season.
I'll post Part 2 of 2 later today.
Acme Packing Company: Mike McCarthy has mentioned the need to improve the red zone offense. While they did decline in your stats from 2008 to 2009, it isn't a big drop to 8th overall. Is there any specific problem with their red zone offense that you think they need to address?
Bill Barnwell: I don't think so. For a team that was fifth in overall offensive DVOA to be eighth in red zone DVOA isn't anything out of the ordinary. Coaches need something for already-good offenses to work on and so they end up saying something like that in the offseason.
The one thing I would say is that, last year, the Packers' only real threat in the red zone was Jermichael Finley; no one else really had a good year inside the 20.
APC: It looks like the Packers really improved on yards after the catch in 2009 vs. 2008. The running backs were much better on running back screens too. Did you notice something that the team did better to improve those stats?
BB: Hmm. I think it was just the sheer amount of explosive players in the lineup. Greg Jennings was tops in the league in YAC in 2007, then fell off to 4.2 YAC per catch (28th) in 2008, but was back in fifth with 6.8 YAC per catch in 2009. James Jones was seventh, at 6.1. The biggest difference, though, was Jermichael Finley (5.3 yards after catch, 18th amongst tight ends) replacing Donald Lee (2.8 yards after catch, 37th amongst tight ends in 2008).
APC: You mentioned the secret to their pass defense in 2009 was the short passing game. While he rarely generated a pass rush, Johnny Jolly did a good job at knocking down pass attempts and he recorded 10 pass defenses in 2009. Can you tell how much (if any) his absence might have on the pass defense?
BB: I think it's more of a knockdown effect with the depth than anything else. We were already aware that Jolly was probable moving into a reserve role, but his absence means that the primary reserve end will be rookie Mike Neal and the injury-riddled Justin Harrell. I don't think you can really count on them to be effective contributors as rookies (although we also can't say that they won't be effective). It's more uncertainty than I'd like if I was Ted Thompson, and I'm surprised they didn't make a move for a veteran like Vonnie Holliday during the offseason.
APC: You're no fan of the new contracts for Clifton or Tauscher (while I was supportive because I thought the other options worse). They're both overpaid for 2010, but do you see any reason why they couldn't repeat their performances from the 2nd half of 2009?
BB: Well, I agree that they were better than the alternatives. My issue isn't with signing them, necessarily, it's creating a situation where re-signing them was a necessity. The issue with Clifton and Tauscher is always going to be health; they were (relatively) healthy during the second half and played well, but expecting them to play 16 games is always a scary proposition.
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1. The bigger the targets we have in the passing game, the better our Red Zone could potentially get. I’m not saying that tall WR’s automatically make your Red Zone Offense better, but it does increase your odds. I’m not expecting too much out of Quarless this year, but one way to improve our Red Zone Offense is to go with a 2 TE Single Back Formation inside the 20. It would feature: Driver and Nelson at WR. Finley and Quarless at TE. Those are our biggest targets and may help us score more in the Red Zone. Jennings is a beast, but he is best at stretching the field. It’s a lot more difficult to do this when you’re near the end zone though.
2. Well, we all know Lee really is only valuable to us in run blocking now. Maybe even delay pass routes every now and then.
3. Most of you know how I feel about Jolly. If anything, his loss affects depth, nothing much more. i don’t want to bring that debate up again though.
4. I supported resigning Tauscher. Not a fan of Clifton anymore, but perhaps a 1 year contract would have been better to see how this year’s and next year’s draft played out. It turned out that Bulaga fell into our lap this year.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I agree with what you said in number 1 but I think I’d rather have Driver, Jennings, Finley, and Quarless in the red zone. I realize Nelson is bigger but Jennings is probably the best route runner we have on the team. Having him in there to run some slants or jerk routes is smart. He usually draws a double team too which obviously helps everyone else out. I suspect Finley start drawing double teams in the red zone as well.
by packallday555 on Jul 29, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I would put jones in over quarless, but absolutley a 5’11" jennings running a whip rte a la Az plyff game TD is better than 6’4" lee dropping a wide open TD like the MN game. I’d much rather see a massive line push for Grant to walk into the endzone and not run the risk of throwing a pick 6 like a certain silver fox was good for 5 times a year.
by Matthew Grassinger on Jul 29, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
point 4
makes you wonder why they took a DT so high when they needed a LT. Raji is great but MM should have known Barbre wasn’t gonna work out.
by Matthew Grassinger on Jul 29, 2010 4:10 PM CDT reply actions
Question...
How long is Clifton’s deal anyway like 3 years? I like Taush too, the guy is solid…Also, here is a thought…Nelson and Jennings in the redzone with Havner and Finley at TE…Havner has caught some good ball’s in the redzone and in traffic…Not to mention he could even be moved to FB and come out to catch a pass…However I think Quinn Johnson is going to be the Goaline FB…He can really bring the wood..
Clifton has a 3 yr deal, but its heavily front loaded and the first year has like 7M guarenteed, after that its very palatable. Tuascher has a 2 yr 8M deal… We basically had to sign Clifton since there was no way of knowing Bulaga would fall. Either way it was worth it IMO… Bulaga will benefit alot by not having to jump right into a starting job.
Havner was never a target in the red zone or any pass for that matter. Only reason he ever caught a pass was as an outlet after blocking when the D ignored him! You can’t seriously put him in the game and expect him to run a route and beat a defender! Quarless on the other hand is a viable reciever who can beat a defender or win a jump ball.
...What about
When we played Dallas? We lined him up wide and the pass was going to him from the jump…And thats what i meant about him lining up at FB and slipping into a flat on PA or whatever…Just a thought but its another dilema thats worth having…So many options that is…With that being said, I also agree that re-signing Clifton was a good move, and Taush…Bulaga came out after his Junior year so he has some time where he can develop…I mean look at Finley, it worked out great with him..He came out after his Sophmore year because he red shirted and he worked his way in slowly and he is doing very well to say the least…
You can just as easilly use Kuhn or Hall as a FB in the same situation… And then it doesn’t telegraph that a pass is coming. Whereas if you use Havner then it might tip the D that a pass is coming (why else would you use a TE in place of and lined up at FB?)…
Dont remember the play vs Dallas… DId he make the reception over the defender? And are you sure he lined up as a reciever and wasn’t an H-back or something?
Also
Just by looking at the game details… Havner caught a TD 2 yds… Another interesting point I saw… After Finley returned Havner caught just ONE pass the rest of the season!!! So he was an expendable player after that and one that is likely to lose that chance to Quarless in any future situation like that.
He isnt going to jump over anyone...
I’m not comparing this dude to to Randy Moss…AND YES IM SURE that he was lined up wide…Im saying that he is a big target with descent hands…
replay
Showed the Havner TD… Short pass where the defender lined up about 3-5 yds deep in the end zone and Rodgers threw to Havner before the DB could close. So he caught the pass, but still didn’t really beat coverage, just wasn’t respected as a target and caught the ball. Pretty easy pitch and catch… But can Havner actually beat coverage in any way?
So your right he was lined up wide and did score, but he didn’t beat a defender. But do you want a reciever in a situation where he can’t really be counted on to beat a defender to score. Or are you OK w/ him just lining up and catching a pass? Just sayin, cuz its not like he beat coverage. Just caught a pass and I give him credit for that.
My preference would be to have someone who can beat a defender and has to be accounted for.

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