Jolly: What's the Story?
First, I should disclaimer this by saying that I don’t know the story; I’m just merely asking a question. Johnny Jolly receives an indefinite suspension for (all that is known to the public) 200g of codeine. Yet Michael Vick is connected to a shooting at his birthday party, no discipline. Vince Young gets into a fight at a strip club, no punishment. I don’t mean to imply that Vick and Young should face such severe penalties – although one might argue that for Vick…I thought he was supposed to keep his nose clean to stay in the NFL…I’m just wondering why no fines, no suspensions.
Goodell has a track record of doling out hefty sentences in order to “clean up” this league, but these past two rulings have me questioning what is going on. Is this so much of a QB driven league, that they get preferential treatment? But then that didn’t work out so well for Big Ben.
So what’s the story? What is it that we don’t know, because I’d like to know?
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Purple Drank
I live in Texas and maybe people up north in respect to everyone up there in GREEN BAY!! Its a huge thing down here and especially in Houston…Honestly, 200 grams of that stuff sounds like AND IS but i wouldnt doubt that he had that for personal use with the income he generates…I hope he doesnt get locked up for a dime with a charge like he is lookin at…Houston and Harris County takes that stuff seriously considering how prevelant it is in the area..
Substance abuse.
The suspension was for substance abuse violations… That much was reported. 2 substance abuse violations are needed before getting to the level of suspension (3rd positive test). Judging from that info, I would have to think that Jolly tested postive a 3rd and maybe 4th time. It could be a 3rd positive and given the facts of the trial it raised the suspension to a year. Or it could be that it was a 3rd and 4th came in relatively quick succession to trigger a year, and that the indefinite is going to depend on the trial.
The first couple violations are not necessarily made public knowledge per the CBA… And the 3rd would be kept private dependent upon an appeal and would only become public when the appeal is lost.
We should find out more during or after the trial, or at the very least when the suspension is over and Jolly applies for re-instatement… There is not alot known otherwise.
But I did read that it was a substance abuse violation. What isn’t known is if it was his 3rd and he got more than the usual 4 games due to the arrest, trial and evidence. Or if he got a 3rd and 4th (4th violation is one year suspension) in relatively short amt of time and it didn’t become public knowledge pending an appeal.
It's a little foggy
There is something about substance abuse, but his suspension isn’t for exactly 12 months like a Stage 3 violation (as you said it’s indefinite and he can apply for reinstatement after the Super Bowl). There are allegations from the D.A. that Jolly was actually a dealer/major player in the Houston drug scene, so there could be something here to do with the conduct policy. With the trial postponed until after the start of training camp (just by a couple days) maybe the NFL just didn’t want the bad publicity of having Jolly show up for camp, but then leave a couple days later to sit for his trial.
stage
Is a stage 3 a full calender year or is it a full season (year)? Thats a little vague and I don’t know the specifics of the CBA on that point… Either way it seems that the arrest, trial and/or evidence left open the “Indefinite” alternative to account for the evidence shown during trial or known by the parties involved but not us…
I know it was a full calendar year for Koren Robinson, so it’s safe to asume that the same would be true here.
by Curly Lambeau on Jul 30, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
geez...
how stupid is this guy. He’s making NFL ching already and he gets greedy and gets involved in drug selling. I mean seriously…you can give a guy money but you can’t change how he was raised or his background all the time I guess. After this is all done, this might be all he’s got cause I think the Packers will be done with him and I just don’t think he was good enough to take on the headache!!
I don’t know what the Packers will do when/if he is available again. But it seems alot of people think he was the best DL the Packers had last year.
From JSO.. http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/99596194.html
“Capers called Cullen Jenkins the Packers’ most effective defensive lineman last year, but another personnel man for an NFC North team gave the nod to Jolly.
“Johnny Jolly didn’t impress you without pads on,” said Mike Trgovac, the defensive line coach. “It was the grunt work you liked out of him.”"
And thats not the first time I’ve heard Jolly referred to as the best DL the Packers had last year… I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if the Packers take him back on his tender!!!
not sure...
how we don’t give that nod to Jenkins. In terms of generating pass rush, you can’t argue that Jenkins kills him. I guess in eating up blockers, maybe he was better but its hard to say. No stats or anything just watching film will show you that.
The D Line for the packers was big but it wasn’t THAT productive so I don’t know that someone is going to look at him and bring him in. Not only does he have this on his record but he’s shown that he’s a bit of a hot head at times. The league is clearly souring on guys like these. The money will for sure dry up. Maybe the pack offers him a small deal but he really ruined his chance for a big check!
They offered him the tender.
And I have to believe they knew all the evidence involved in the case. We’ll see, but I have a feeling they let him play on the tender when/if he returns. Otherwise why even tender him?
Amen.
Isn’t the point of selling drugs to make money? If so, then why would a guy making millions (with nothing but a bright future ahead) put his future in jeapordy by participating in the drug trade?
To me, the only answer is life-style and habit. That’s how he was raised and therefore who he is. It’s sad.
by Curly Lambeau on Jul 30, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Part of it was just who he hung with…his boys. Just shows ya that the company you keep will often determine the kind of person you will become. He could have left that life behind but brought it with him and now its pulled him back into the abyss again!
Right, exactly. I mean, I already knew that he and I came from very different places, but this is an illustration of just HOW different. I mean, I can say “there but by the grace of God go I” to some extent, and I can walk a mile in his shoes to imagine a life wherein I became a drug dealer, but… that kind of life would happen because of desperation and because I had no other way. But, with Jolly, he had everything and did it anyway.
And I’m not saying this in a high-horse way. I just can’t imagine it. It’s almost like, in Jolly’s world, he dealt drugs in order to KEEP his good reputation! …bizarro…
by Curly Lambeau on Jul 30, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
dealing
We don’t know that he dealt drugs! We know that at a sentencing evidence is allegedly going to be presented, but that in no way means he was dealing. If he did, why isn’t he being charged w/ dealing/distrubuting? As far as I know the only charge against him is the possession. The DA won’t use the alleged dealing in regular court cuz then he has to PROVE Jolly was dealing and apparently he can’t! So the only way that alleged evidence sees the light of day is if Jolly is first convicted of the possession. Which granted seems likely…
I am not saying he didn’t, but we don’t know and the fact its not being used in regular court or that Jolly isn’t being charged leads to the conclusion the DA can’t really say Jolly was dealing.
Never know what you might do until you’ve walked in his shoes and lived his life!!! And that isn’t meant to justify anything…
Saving face
There’s got to be more to it than the NFL trying to save a little egg on their face by coming down with this harsh of a punishment. I did hear some reports of substance abuse (and a rumor that he failed 20 drug tests??), but it seems odd to me that there wasn’t any previous reports of abuse, or fines or suspensions. What caused this to skip over stage 1 and stage 2 viloations?
It WAS a substance abuse violation...
Don’t know where you heard 20? violations… It takes only 3 to get a suspension. Thats usually a 4 game suspension, but I’m sure his arrest, trial and evidence could have caused a longer one… Or 4 violations to trigger a year suspension.
Can't remember...
where I heard or seen the 20 failed tests rumor, but it seemed like it was either an exaggeration or bogus, so I didn’t pay much attention to it. I’ll see if I can find it…
Not exactly what I was looking for but...
This did have some good info…guess I should have done some more research here.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/98625354.html
One good point made in the article:
It is possible that Jolly may have entered the substance program and may have even been fined for a violation without any of this becoming public knowledge, but Jolly has not been suspended for four games.
That was my source
For calling it a substance abuse violation and the public knowledge part of the eqation.
See?
I shoulda researched this a little more before spouting off some ramblings…
Ok I finally found it
And you may figure why I didn’t find it very credible
This was a good post
…as evidenced by the fact that there’s all these different theories being floated in the comments. Nobody knows what happened because it’s never been released.
I, for one, am a little annoyed. And I’ll be more annoyed if he comes back without what happened being disclosed. I understand privacy, but it’s not right for them to ask me to cheer for the guy without knowing who he is. If somebody wants to keep their privacy, then they shouldn’t become a public figure! Once a person puts himself before the public eye, then we’ve got something of a right to know who they are.
Not that I’m making this into a complete and absolute rule, but I’m just saying that I don’t want to root for a drug dealer. Now, if he came clean and apologized, that might be a different thing, but this kind of complete silence is unacceptible. …and it damages his reputation more than anything! For example, somebody suggested that he failed 20 drug tests! I don’t personally believe that, but who’s to say it’s incorrect? With the current air of cover-up, anything sounds plausible.
I was annoyed too
Especially when I heard the Vick and Young will not have any repercussions for the dumb stuff they’re involved in. That’s what spurred this post. I don’t want to sound like I’m entitled to know what’s going on, like you say, their privacy. But something isn’t adding up. With all the media today, privacy is all but dead anyway.

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