Preseason Recap: Browns Defeat Packers 27-24
by Brandon on Aug 15, 2010 7:00 AM CDT
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Just a reminder, while the Green Bay Packers did lose a game 27-24 (follow the link for more Browns vs Packers coverage) the preseason results don't matter. In 2008, the Lions went unbeaten during the preseason, only to suffer through an 0-16 regular season.
There were a couple notable injuries during the game, and I'm sure we'll hear about a few others next week.
Due to a trio of demanding preschoolers, I was unable to watch anything more than a few bits of the game. I'll watch it on the DVR later this week/weekend, but I can comment on a few of the big plays.
Play-by-play recap from NFL.com.
First Quarter:
(9:07) 35-J.Harrison right guard for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
QB Jake Delhomme went 6 for 7 on the opening TD drive against a vanilla defense that was playing soft coverage. Given his surgically repaired arm, I expect most teams will press and dare him to throw deep, but the Packers weren't. The only thing that was troubling was the push the Browns offensive line got on running plays. It didn't seem like NT B.J. Raji held up very well in the middle.
(8:57) 25-R.Grant up the middle to GB 21 for no gain (71-A.Rubin). FUMBLES (71-A.Rubin), RECOVERED by CLV-24-S.Brown at GB 24. 24-S.Brown to GB 13 for 11 yards (88-J.Finley).
It was a disaster night for RB Ryan Grant. His first carry was an uncharacteristic fumble, and two carries later he was knocked out of the game. The TD throw three plays later was a nice pass by QB Seneca Wallace, who used his legs to keep the play alive and the pass rush didn't do a good job of getting to him.
Second Quarter:
(11:22) (Shotgun) 6-S.Wallace pass short middle to 82-B.Watson for 20 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
Another TD pass from Wallace. TE Ben Watson beat LB A.J. Hawk and S Charlie Peprah in coverage. If Hawk and Peprah are playing defense on any key 3rd down plays during the season (which isn't the plan right now), I would expect the Packers defense would be in trouble.
(:37) (Shotgun) 12-C.McCoy pass deep left intended for 86-J.Haggerty INTERCEPTED by 33-B.Underwood at GB -4. 33-B.Underwood pushed ob at GB 31 for 35 yards (40-P.Hillis).
That was an awful pass by QB Colt McCoy. But CB Brandon Underwood does look much better this season.
Fourth Quarter:
(2:39) 9-C.Bryan punts 42 yards to CLV 34, Center-61-B.Goode, downed by GB-53-M.Simpkins.
(1:09) 8-T.Masthay punts 44 yards to CLV 26, Center-61-B.Goode. 10-S.Steptoe pushed ob at CLV 41 for 15 yards (35-K.Hall). PENALTY on GB-53-M.Simpkins, Ineligible Downfield Kick, 5 yards, enforced at CLV 41.
For what it's worth in the battle of the punters, while both punts led to a game tying and then a game winning FG, P Chris Bryan's punt went for a net of 42 yards while P Tim Masthay's went for a net of 29 (24 with penalty).
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Is there a chance either of those punters are going to be on our 53-man roster come Week 1?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 15, 2010 7:12 AM CDT reply actions
Either?
One of them will, yes – we wouldn’t have a punter at all otherwise.
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 15, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL.
This is what I get for not getting any Packers news during the offseason.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 15, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I watched most of the game
No comments on the punting because… no comments are needed. We all know what it is.
I’m slowly becoming more confident in Flynn being our #2. He still needs some time, although sadly I think at this point he needs to play some real games to get to the next level. He had a pass last night with a free man coming right at him, perfect location for around 15-20 yards. Then the next play he throws right at the Browns CB. Being a regular starter would get rid of those bad decisions, IMHO.
I was also tickled to watch Seneca Wallace make the passes he did. The first TD pass he threw, on the run across his body and in the exact right spot, is what I got to watch during my time at ISU. It’s a shame that he’ll be a lifetime #2 as well, because the guy has some skills.
Burnett
I heard that Burnett made all the D play calls and adjustments when he was in. Collins said he was going to let Burnett do that. And how did Burnett fair? Abysmal… He didn’t play well is what Capers said, thats coach speak for he was crap. Anyone looking forward to Bigby’s return yet? Plus Burnett dove at Hillis’ ankles instead of hitting him?!! What the hell is that??? Just what I was afaid of from Burnett as a rookie safety. Just what his bio said… Not a good or physical tackler! ANd he is overmatched right now making the D calls. Better get better at Both Rook!!! Just what I predicted from Burnett, but he has 4 weeks to change his play!!!
Get well soon Atari… We need you!!!
When is Bigby supposed to come back?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 15, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 15, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
should be
Bigby should be practicing before the end of the preseason. That means he should be able to play early in the season. Maybe not the opener, but soon after…
Here's the problem with your take Stroh
Burnett’s individual play was alright. His calls might of been terrible, but if that game mattered for anything then he wouldn’t of been making calls at all. Rather, we need him to take some lumps and make some mistakes now so he can learn from something.
Don’t be so harsh on the rookie. Remember Collins is still back there and he always took the lead for the calls anyways.
by PackApologist on Aug 15, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Direct quote from Capers
“He didn’t play that well.” So don’t try to tell me that his play was alright!!! The DC himself said it wasn’t!
I understand that in a perfect world he won’t be making those calls, but football isn’t a perfect world. There are going to be times when he sees things that Collins can’t being on the other side of the field and he’s going to have to change the call and get it right! And the opponent is going to be purposely doing things to MAKE him make the calls to see if he gets it right and to make him play the correct coverage. They are going to do everything they can to isolate him in any way possible! Thats the facts of life in the NFL!
Did he really scream it or did you just add the three exclamation points?
It was his first game!!! Get off his nuts and give him some time to adjust man…I don’t know what your expectations were but mine were pretty low. He’s playing his first real game experience in a new defensive arrangement in his first nfl game and he’s starting…that is a LOT of pressure. If it turns out that he can’t handle calling the plays, know what…they’ll have someone else do it. Just cause Bigby DID it sometimes doesn’t mean it has to be handed over over to his replacement the next season.
You think teams can't make him make the calls?
Or Isolate him that way? Then your being unrealistic!
Look at the quote! I used the exclamation points for MY words!!!
WHAT?!?!
How are teams going to make him make the calls? I might be unrealistic, but you aren’t making sense.
I think you are getting things confused…there is a difference between making calls for the defense and making decisions for yourself during a play! ugh.
Think
You don’t think there will be times where the offense makes a subtle change that Collins can’t see on the other side of the field that Burnett can’t? Otherwise why else would both safeties have to be able to make the calls? Like last year when both Collins and Bigby did… It is possible to isolate a something that Burnett can only see to make him make the call.
I think the problem is you are using the wrong term. You talking about adjustments, not play calls. They are very different things…that is why people talked about Hawk. Everyone on the field can point out things to make adjustments so every player needs to be smart enough to see those kinds of adjustments.
I know he doesn't call the plays in the huddle!!!
So all he’s doing is adjustments/calls when lined up at Safety.
and it IS the safeties job... Both of them
to make adjustments/calls to counter the offensive alignment!
Would you prefer Collins to do it all now and have Burnett learn in the Regular Season?
It’s Preseason, that’s what Preseason is for.
Besides, the play calls were extremely vanilla. No blitzes whatsoever. No press coverage. Delhomme beat us with quick passes, a West Coast Offense. When the CB’s are told by Capers to lay off all game, you can expect that to happen.
I aint worried at all. His play was solid anyhow. Nothing flashy, but he did fine. The CB’s got burned, but again, they were told to lay off in coverage. It’s Preseason. No need to worry at this point.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Prefer
No, it is the right way to play it to have Burnett do it, but its EXACTLY what I was worried about!! I would prefer that we had Bigby do it along w/ Collins so we don’t have to worry about starting a rookie and have a mistake cost us the game! Like I have been saying all offseason! Get well soon Atari!
It was a direct quote from Capers!!! And how in the hell do you know Capers told the CB to lay off and why would Capers do that?!!! IF it was very vanilla, and it was shouldn’t it have been easier to call? Quite making excuses for the guy already!
Dude!
I’m not an avid fan calling for Bigby to be gone and start Burnett. I never was considering he’s a rookie. But to be hard on Burnett now before he even had a chance to prove himself and with Bigby injured, there is nothing to do but give him support! We’re stuck with Burnett right now while Bigby is gone, which could be the first half of the season! Show him a little support once in a while.
It was pretty obvious the way they were playing. It’s not common to see our CB’s play 7-10 yards off the receiver. You know that!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Playing off the ball is alot different than telling the to Lay off… playing off the ball is a way of playing coverage, but Laying off is a to not try or something. Either way don’t you think Capers would play coverages he’s going to use at least a little so he can get a look at how the CB are going to perform in the roles they are going to be in. Especially w/ so many young CB that need experience?
I have nothing against Burnett and think he’ll be a good player, but this is for all the people jumping on the Burnett bandwagon and saying he’s going to be such a great rookie! Starting a rookie at safety is asking for trouble!
As for Bigby, he surgery was minor and he is out a month, now more like 2 more weeks. He should be practicing before the start of the regular season and could easily play in the opener. IF he doesn’t play then I don’t think he’ll miss more than a game or two. I doubt he gets PUPed. Especially after this performance by Burnett. At least he’ll have some good tape to learn from!!! Lots of it…
Maybe it is a blessing in disguise
Remember last year after we demolished everyone in preseason everyone thought we were world beaters. Then we really sucked the 1st half the season maybe it was partly because they believed they were better than we were after lokking so good in the preseason. Hopefully this is a wake up call that gets them to focus on what needs to be done. You don’t win a Super Bowl because you say you are going to.
They could have exposed too much last year in the Preseason
You saw a lot of exotic blitzes last Preseason, and that ultimately got us fired up! When you saw the first Preseason game this year, it was like, yeah….whatever. Rush 3 or 4, have the secondary lay off. Just make sure we stop the run. It was boring, and that’s actually a good thing. Show nothing, but be ready when the Regular Season begins!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Special teams doesn’t look too good terrible coverage, terrible return game I really hope to see Blackmon back there come week 1. Also, the running game is a concern as the first team became one dimensional and basically abandoned the run after Grant went out.
I agree
We can’t all be down on Shields though. We knew that he was an inexperienced return man. We were simply experimenting. So he fumbles a couple here and there, that’s fine. It’s Preseason. Come Regular Season, we start Blackmon but have Shields get his practice catching balls during practice! It will take time and effort, but if are patient and bring Shields in slowly, hopefully our hard work and dedication pays off.
Coverage was awful!!!! Remember that punt Cleveland had where there were 7 or 8 Browns swarming the returner, and the only Packer on the screen was the return man! That is awful. I saw that and instantly said, “Just play dead, you’re screwed!” The problem is….that wasn’t the only time it happened…
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Packers pass D will be awful again this year....
They were lit up last year by every good QB they saw [except Romo] and they did nothing in the off-season to upgrade the secondary. [drafting a S in the 3rd round hardly counts]
Jake D picked the starters apart in the 1st qtr – just wait until they play against a marquee QB…. yikes!
It's Preseason man
Don’t panic. Underwood didn’t look good at all, I’ll give you that. But we never really did any adjustments, no exotic blitzes, didn’t ever bring more than 4 guys with the 1st string, did a couple times with the 2nd and 3rd stringers though.
Pat Lee looked good. Shields made a couple good plays as well. Shields is raw, but I’m starting to get more comfortable with him in the CB role.
Remember, Al Harris wasn’t playing either. I’m not the biggest fan, but he will help us out.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
by Jabooty on Aug 15, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Couldn’t have put it better myself. My thoughts exactly.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 15, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
GB has one real CB - Woodson. I love Al Harris, but he's old, slow, and coming off major knee surgery
Lee, Bush, Blackmon, and Underwood have done nothing to show they’re more than back-ups, at best.
The pass rush doesn’t look to be any better than last year, either….. it’s gonna be a long yr for the pass D.
But…. very excited about Bulaga!! It was a gift that he fell to GB in the draft.
A. Blackmon isn’t a corner, please get with the times man. That was so last year.
B. It’s rash to write off young corners in a preseason game where the defense isn’t schemeing and planning for the offense you are playing against.
C. It’s also rash to write off said corners when D really isn’t blitzing or doing what it normally would in a regular season game.
by PackApologist on Aug 15, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not basing my judgement off last nites game - but I'd be correct if I did ; )
It just pains me to see a championship-level offense – and a mediocre [at best] D.
Not to mention crappy special teams.
Don’t let last years ranking fool you – they were not a great defense. They were very good against the run, but their stats were inflated from the competition [or lackof] they faced.
I just wish TT would’ve done SOMETHING to acquire a CB opposite CW – do you really expect Harris to return to his past pro bowl form? Not at his age, and not after the injury, IMO.
Yeah that's fine but....
Who at CB? I know it’s always nice to see something done, but there weren’t many CB’s in the draft or FA to get. Right now I would rather have Bulaga than Kyle Wilson. The drop in talent at corner didn’t seem worth many of the picks after that.
There also weren’t many FA’s out there either. Watching Vikings camp shows that Lito Shephard is just a shell of anything he was back in Philly. After that your choices go way down. You could over pay for Duanta Robinson, but I don’t think the Packers win that bidding war because he’s an Atlanta guy who wanted to go home and play for the Falcons – the Falcons also needed corners more than the Packers did so they would be willing to out bid you as well.
Trades you could go Cromartie, who may or may not fit with our physical scheme. He would be a liability on the edge and doesn’t do press well.
Get the big picture here Victor. This defense isn’t one that will dominate a team. Then again, neither is Indy’s or NO’s and those two teams seem to do pretty well. If the D can shut down the run and create TO’s then the Packers will still do very well.
by PackApologist on Aug 15, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Also
When you’ve got two corners who show some talent in practice (like Lee and Underwood) you should put them out there and see what you’ve got before you blow everything up with a guy who may or may not fit what you do. Otherwise you are just chasing one bad contract after another.
by PackApologist on Aug 15, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention
That the Packers and others feel Shields has as much ability as any 1st rd CB taken in this draft!!! And they got him as an Undrafted FA… He’s just a little less experienced than them, but that also means he’s a black slate that doen’t have to break alot of old, bad habits!
There were a couple FA available, but there is also good reasons they were FA. Teams just don’t let good CB get away in FA anymore!!!
I'm just sayin it's a position of weakness, IMO.
And good passing teams will exploit it.
With the exception of San Fran & Buffalo, GB has to play a lot of good QBs this year [provided Farve comes back]
We aint arguing that our CB situation isn't a concern
because it is a concern. Williams, Lee, and Underwood are both very young. We simply don’t know what we have of them yet. Underwood supposedly improved a lot, but had a rough first Preseason game. Lee did very well in that game. The argument though, is there wasn’t anybody to get in Free Agency. Yes, we all know TT doesn’t think highly of Free Agents. However, one cannot condemn the man of not doing anything if there was nothing he could do in that offseason. The draft board didn’t play in our favor for getting a CB to start on Day 1 either.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
It's true
Of all the corners that changed teams this past year there’s only one that I really think could of worked, Dre Bly. This move though really wouldn’t of helped out the Pack in the long run though because he would only get in the way of the development of Williams, Lee, or Underwood.
by PackApologist on Aug 15, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
"It just pains me to see a championship-level offense – and a mediocre [at best] D."
You must’ve hated the Warner-era Rams then…
He's average
but that’s what most teams have though. A good CB and an average CB. With several average CB’s for depth.
You can’t have 4 shutdown CB’s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
He’s better then average..Pay attention to him one game and really watch him. He’s probably our most athletic corner and one of the best when it comes to running stride for stride with receivers. He just needs to become better at making a play on the ball and not using his hands so much. He is only entering his 4th season too, so he’s got some time to improve upon those things.
by packallday555 on Aug 16, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh
I aint gonna argue that he has skills. He tends to get the penalties and he does get picked on a lot, but that’s also a result of having Woodson on the opposite side. Fine, we’ll say he’s between good and average. Fair enough!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Between good and average seems fair too me. Haha.
by packallday555 on Aug 16, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Williams
Allowed 60% completion when thrown at compared to 49 or 50 compared to Harris and Woodson. His athletic ability and playmaking are fine, he just needs to allow a lower completion %.
yeah improvement is needed
and I think he will. Its his first year as a FT starter, in the past he was training as a nickle back so hopefully more time practicing with the starters will help him out!
I agree I think Tramon is a starting level corner
A lot of people can’t wait for Al to get back at his age and the significance of his injury I seriously doubt if he’ll ever return to the level he was at. People don’t realize how long it takes to develop a corner. Remember Al Harris was with Philadelphia for 5 yeaars and didn’t start. I think Tramon is good and will only get better.
ah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! were gonna lose!!!!!!
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Here's another way of thinking about it
Too often fans get this sort of lazy analysis. They read something in ESPN or SI or somewhere and think that this is the way it was without quesition.
The D was lit up by three QB’s really, Farve, Warner, and Rothlesburger. Now two of those guys play are teams that are intimately familiar with the style of 3-4 that the Packers now play. Hell, the whole method started in Pittsburgh. The coach for Arizona came from Pittsburgh (and so did his offensive coordinator). These QB’s practiced against this sort of defense all year. The coaches talking into their ear knew the defense in and out and how to attack it. They also knew it well enough to know where players just learning it in their first year would struggle with it.
The last guy, Farve, is a legendary QB having the best year of his career. He many of the guys (Woodson, Barnett, Hawk, Collins, Harris, Pickett, Williams, etc.) he was playing against, and knew many of their tenancies. He also was on a pretty productive offense. For as much as he “torched” the defense it also wasn’t two of his most productive games. Finally, he’s been in the league for 14 years and can read a defense like no other, and we really didn’t blitz him.
by PackApologist on Aug 15, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanx
For using the argument I’ve been using for the past 7 months!!! About time someone else recognizes what I’ve been saying… Next time you could reference me though, since I was the first and only person to notice that for about the past 6 months! LOL
plus Warner had like the best game of his career
our secondary is fine
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
So the Packers will go 0-16 this year?
Nice of us to have you around to point this out to us.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 15, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
actually
they did blitz 3 times with the first unit. they tried to blitz both inside backers up the middle, but as last year——-hawk and barnett got stuffed.
i was at the game and was impressed with the way bulaga played LT, he got out quick and beat the de to the edge every time than stymied him. Bulaga looks like he will be a long term LT in this league.(technique wise)
Yeah, I remember seeing a couple stunt blitzes with the ILBs and one where we brought Pat Lee off the edge. The one with Lee worked well, and the two stunts, well, didn’t. I think a lot of that is because Hawk isn’t a good blitzer. I really hope Chillar starts over him. He’s better in general but could also help to make those inside blitzes more effective.
by packallday555 on Aug 16, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I watched the highlights
And caught one really good play by Bulaga, He was at LG and shifted around the LT to pick up a guy coming off the edge. He moved very well, very quick feet.
so good, he plays two positions at once!
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
This Ravens fan is betting Vegas you win the SB. With all our hype and the way you stomped us easily, I see no reason why you can’t take the whole thing. Good luck.
smart move my man!
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
So which one is it? Preseason matters or it doesn't matter?
Last year we were playing up our 4-0 preseason record, then got smacked around in September and not looking sharp until the last half of the season.
This year we come out looking sloppy and flat against one of the worst teams in the NFL (with a few exceptions—AR looked good) and everybody says it doesn’t matter.
So which one is it? I for one am concerned about the defense. After getting shredded and exposed by Arizona in the playoffs, no doubt every defensive coordinator in the NFL got the tape and saw the way to rack up the yards.
Well, ideally
You like your guys to pitch a shutout without trying, scheming, etc. IE their raw talent is so uncontrollable that even making up crap on the field they take care of business.
That obviously is unrealistic, but things like getting burned on 4th down and stuffing inside runs is fairly generic enough that you expect for it to operate at the same level, preseason or not. That’s raw talent on display.
for the record
The scoreboard and record doesn’t matter… But the players performance does! Theres a difference!
And don’t you think that after the games against his D by Pitts and AZ that Capers will have made some changes if needed this offseason? Oh and in regards to Pitts and AZ, you do realize that they are the 2 teams w/ by far the most intimate knowledge of Capers and his schemes don’t you? Never mind, I know you never thought of that!!!
perspective
Yeah there is always a little bit of the back and forth when it comes to preseason. You get excited when your team looks good…its about more than record though. Last year we were coming off a TERRIBLE season and the team looked really good in the preseason so people got amped up…makes sense.
The Packers went 3-1 last year in the preseason so no one was playing up an undefeated record.
The defense looked sloppy and flat but the passing game (more than just Rodgers) looked like they were top notch. The running game was weak but Grant was out for most of it so I guess I wasn’t expecting TOO much.
Do any of us think Capers will tell his defense this in the Regular Season?
“Just go out and play. Don’t scheme. Play soft, we don’t want injuries. Have fun and have a good time.”
I didn’t think so. It’s Preseason! You look at specific things and run with it. You focus on certain things, and that’s it.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I’m not entirely concerned about it because the defense, for the most part didn’t do anything special. They played some pretty basic schemes, and we had Poppinga and Chillar in at OLB’s with the 1st unit, which won’t be the case when the regular season rolls around. Our DL actually got some decent penetration up the middle, which is big for us and the run defense looked good like last season.
We’ll just have to hope that getting Matthews and Jones back, plus hope that getting penetration from guys like Raji, Jenkins, and dare I say Harrell will be enough.
by packallday555 on Aug 16, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Aren’t you a Vikings fan too? Why are you talking as if your for the Packers? Your not trying to “push our buttons” are you?
by packallday555 on Aug 16, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I was just going to ask that
He’s a Viking fan, no doubt about that.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Haha yeah, I was pretty sure I remembered him starting a bunch of flame wars on one of our posts.
by packallday555 on Aug 16, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone will get that when they sound like a complete knucklehead.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
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