Don't Worry About The Packers Defense
I still haven't watched the entire game, so I can't speak to every play during the Green Bay Packers first preseason game, but these two articles from the Press-Gazette confirmed the few plays I managed to watch.
First, CB Brandon Underwood is looking better and is in the lead as the nickel cornerback. He gave up some receptions, but he was targeted a lot. While he'll never be a shut down corner, he continues to improve.
Second, defensive coordinator Dom Capers admitted the "plan was to let them go out there and play." They were playing a soft coverage, it looked similar to a prevent defense, which as you know only prevents you from winning. The pass rush wasn't great, but it was a straight four-man rush minus their best pass rusher (LB Clay Matthews was held out with a bad hamstring).
I expect the defense will slip a little from last season: the run defense will remain stout, but I'm worried that they won't have enough pass rush other than Matthews. That will make them a pretty good unit, but I expect the offense will have to bail them out on a few occasions.
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Thank you Brandon
This is what I have been thinking/pontificating for awhile and it’s nice to know that those of this that agree with you aren’t alone.
I just watched the game a 2nd time and have different throughts now
I focused specifically on our 1st String D against Delhomme and a few notes here and there for the remainder.
In Delhomme’s first series:
It was 11 plays resulting in a TD. Of those, 4 were running plays.
Of the 7 passing plays, GB rushed 5 men 3 times (my apologies for saying not at all earlier).
It was mostly 5-7 yard hooks and square outs. Nothing flashy, but again, the CB’s played soft.
GB only played Press Coverage 1 time, and it was on 4th and 1. Cleveland line up with no RB’s, 4 WR’s, 1 TE. Delhomme under center. Underwood was beat on a quick slant.
Things to Note:
Almost every passing play was a quick pass by Delhomme.
On the Ryan Grant fumble, Colledge did a nice job blocking. Started by double teaming the RE, then moved to the 2nd level to block LB Fujita. Wells failed to block the NT, who caused the fumble.
AJ Hawk had a very nice blitz up the middle in a 4 man rush. The linemen did their job, because Hawk was practically untouched and attacked fast.
Collins almost had 2 interceptions in about 1 Quarter of play. The first was on the play Hawk blitzed. Collins simply dropped it after jumping the WR’s route. The 2nd was in the endzone, but it would have been a difficult interception to grab.
Raji could not penetrate. Alex Mack simply contained him well. Props to Mack, who is experienced in defending NT’s from the AFC North.
Underwood and Williams were picked on in most of the plays. Lee and Woodson were never targeted. Lee was in on the Dime Packages, which was on 2 plays. Underwood was the Nickel Back and targeted often.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Chicken Little
The only concern I had was that the DL needed more push. I thought Underwood and Lee did decent jobs that could only improve with more reps. It also appears tackling could be significantly improved this year and all those drills may have a nice payoff. Gotta start somewhere.
If Harrell can stay healthy this season I think we may see more of him in there, as well as Neal. It’s obvious when watching both guys that they have the skill. Both of them usually drove their opponent back a couple steps, and seemed to have good motors.
I really, really hope Harrell can stay healthy this season. It’s clear when watching him play why Thompson took him 17th overall. If he can actually stay out on the field I think he could end up having a pretty significant impact for us.
by packallday555 on Aug 17, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup
Go back over the post game thoughts comment post and you’ll plenty of people worrying and claiming the sky is falling.
My favorite is that group is the person who claimed that Underwood and Lee are clearly trash so we should of drafted or picked up a few different CB’s.
by PackApologist on Aug 15, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
…most of the posters here don’t count. If it was the media that was bashing the defense and saying the sky is falling, then that is a different story (maybe that is the case, I haven’t really been reading any of it because, well, IT IS PRESEASON).
Not worried?
You say not to worry, but you are worried.
“…I’m worried that they won’t have enough pass rush other than Matthews. That will make them a pretty good unit, but I expect the offense will have to bail them out on a few occasions.”
That’s not very comforting.
I will not claim that the defense is going to be awful. Yet the Packers cannot afford to let good passing teams to have their way with them. I know this is the preseason. I also did not get the chance to watch the game. I am not going to panic.
Some people do say we should have drafted or picked up a CB. I am one of them. The fact that we did not is not the end of the world. The Packers made the playoffs last year with this team. They should do so again this year. Hopefully they can do a little better.
Shields
Is the CB we picked up! And according to some scouts, not just the Packers, he has the same ability as any of the 1st rd CB taken in the draft this past year! He just doesn’t have the experience some of them do… But that can be good or bad. It also can mean that he doesn’t have alot of old, bad habits to break! He’s been making plays in practice EVERY day it seems. He has already made the team as a CB, IMO. Any ST play or returning he does will be gravy!!! Williams, Underwood, Lee and Shields gives us 4 young CB prospects! Do you really want more than that now?
Exactly
I’m liking what I see out of Shields at CB. He’s still raw though.
When he is beat, he uses his speed to catch up and close in on the WR and ball. He made several plays like that. He had a spectacular interception for pic 6 in the Scrimmage and nearly had another one in the Preseason game, but dropped the ball. Oh, that he would have been gone too. Looked like Charles Woodson on that play! He has the WR instincts, but his hands are not the greatest. He’s a very good developmental project. Reminds me a little of DRC of Arizona in the sense that he relies on his speed to make up for mistakes.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I like Shields to
I like everything I’ve heard about Shields and the little bit I’ve seen. But when I look at him I’m looking 2-3 years down the road and he’ll only get on the field if we have a bad run of injury in the secondary like last year(knock on wood).Outside of quarterback, corner is the hardest position to learn in the NFL and Shields only has one year of college as a DB. If I’m not mistaken he did not even start at Miami. From the coaches enthusiasm sounds like we’ll have one more needed piece when Woodson and Harris move on.
Some people don’t like Burnett starting and I would rather have Bigby here and let Burnett earn it but safety is one of the easier positions for a rookie to come intto the league and be a starter
I just hope his struggles in the returning game don’t result in him being let go. He has a ton of potential as a Cb, and has already started tapping into some it in the short time he’s been learning the position.
by packallday555 on Aug 17, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't want prospects
I want somebody that can PLAY now! Dom says we played “soft”, well you don’t play soft in the red zone. Our guys got beat by JD and SW.
It's Preseason
How many good defenses play tough and show anything in Preseason? Not many. We’re not even getting heat from ESPN! It’s ourselves because we are so concerned with our secondary that we want everyone to play tough and expose everything now. Well, we made that mistake in the Preseason last year and I’m not up for making that mistake twice in 2 years!
Play soft, show nothing, and get healthy. That is all.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Speak for yourself... LOL
I don’t have many worries about the DB’s… I DO have ALOT of concerns about the pass rush! Jones didn’t show much of that in the game, IMO…
He didn't show much
but he showed more than anyone else. I’m not too concerned with the pass rush though. We were getting a push, but couldn’t get the sacks because it was such quick passes.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Yeah, everything the Browns connected on was all quick route type stuff, and our Cb’s were playing off man probably 90% of the time.
by packallday555 on Aug 17, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Still annoying
Other than injuries, nothing in a preseason game one really matters. Everyone is rusty. Results are unpredictable.
With that said. The first team defense gave up two TD’s to the visiting Cleveland Browns second team offense. Plus a long TD drive to the Browns starters. It can’t all be atributed to soft zones. Missed assignments, lack of effort, and guys just getting beat had to play a part in this as well. Usually a good defense will obliterate the Browns offense even in preseason. If there is anything to be concerned of it is the way the Browns won at the point of attack. You can’t be having that come regular season.
But hey this is the nice thing about preseason. You can get burned and nobody will remember it in a month.
While he’ll never be a shut down corner, he continues to improve
That’s sorta pessimistic isn’t it? I have hopes for all the young corners on the roster when guys like Chuck and Al are around to pick up the position from. Not to mention that these guys will be playing with Collins, who is young and seems to be settling in as one of the most consistent producers at the safety position in the league.
Not many are like Revis
I think it’s more realism than pessimism. Any cornerback is going to allow some completions. I was actually trying to do the opposite of throwing cold water on his career. He gave up two consecutive completions on the opening TD drive, and my point was that he’s not going to knock down every pass that comes his way.
The Packers secondary will be torched repeatedly this year....
It was bad last year, and TT did NOTHING to improve it [drafting a S in the 3rd round doesnt count] aside from Woodson, they just don’t have much talent – and you homers need to stop believing that Williams, Underwood, or Lee are anything more than backups.
I hope the best for Al Harris, but I’m extremely skeptical, given his age and the type of injury.
Part of the problem was the lack of a consistent pass rush that doesn’t look like it’ll be any better this year.
However, the offense should be one of the best in the NFL….. so I forsee a 10-6 record and first round loss in the PO.
And you are arguing TT should have brought in who?????????????
Oh, that’s right. There was nobody he could get! Good call there!!!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
He could of drafted a CB... i mean, not ONE in the draft?? He also could have traded for one.
I know the FA market was pretty weak.
Shields
IMO, Shields is the CB he drafted… Alot of scouts, not just the Packers, think Shields has as much talent as the 1st and 2nd rd CB taken in the draft! He certainly has the athleticism for the position! His big weakness is that he is inexperienced as a CB having only played one year of CB at The U. However, you can look at that in 2 ways. He’s inexperienced… yes cant disagree with that, BUT… And heres the kicker, you could look at that and say that he has fewer old, bad habits to break!
Also, given his experience of being a WR he also has a very accutely awareness of the route tree that offenses use. In this way his lack of experience is offset by his intimate knowledge of routes and route combinations!
I think Shields has already made the team as a CB alone. He’s been making plays as a CB just about everyday… Any ST he provides offsets the ST play of the CB he is fighting for a job with… Jarrett Bush
I think the fact that he didn’t draft one points to the fact that he, and the FO believes we’re ok at Cb. You do realize that last season we were playing two guys we probably would have hoped we never had to in Bush and Bell right? And yes, the secondary didn’t look great against Cleveland but you do have to take into account that it’s preseason, we played an awfully vanilla scheme, and the Cb’s played almost exclusively off coverage.
by packallday555 on Aug 19, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Burnett, Shields, and Lee returning from IR
We drafted Bulaga for obvious reasons, LT was our biggest need and Bulaga (Top 10 talent) fell into our lap. It goes to TT’s philosophy of drafting the best available player, which was Bulaga.
We drafted Neal because we had a need at the defensive line as well. We needed depth, an improved pass rush, and presumably a replacement for Jolly and maybe even Jenkins after this season.
We traded up in the 3rd Round to get Burnett who is a ball hawking safety.
Then we brought in CB Sam Shields who is the fastest player on the team. Add in Pat Lee returning from IR, you now see a crowded depth chart for CB’s.
Yes, I assure you the team will be looking for a CB next year with Harris and Woodson being a little older. However, that is next year.
1. Woodson
2. Harris
3. Williams
4. Underwood
5. Lee
6. Shields
6 CB’s are more than enough!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Williams IS more then a backup and has shown that in 2008 and 2009 filling in for Harris. As for Lee and Underwood, I don’t think we really know. You do realize that we played off man nearly the entire game against Cleveland right? We were basically giving Cleveland the short routes, and for the most part that’s all they were connecting on. I think we need to see a little more of Lee and Underwood before we deem either of them as just back-ups. (Though that’s what we need them to be)
by packallday555 on Aug 18, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
torched repeatedly
I’m going to wait until at least the 2nd preseason game before I announce the Packer secondary is done for the year.
How does drafting a safety (who will likely start this year) in the third round NOT count toward improving the secondary. There’s only four positions on the field in the secondary (most of the time) and two of them are anchored by pro bowlers. I know you wanted him to bring in a CB but hey even if he did, it very likely wouldn’t have helped this year.
Not too mention
Shields!!! Who has as much physical ability as any of the 1st rd CB taken in this years draft.
Shields
To make the team, he’s got to do something on ST’s. If the coaches can teach how to field a punt, he has not been paying attention.
He wasn't signed to be a punt/kick returner
He was only experimented with those roles because of his speed.
He was signed as a gunner and long term developmental project at CB. Although it looks as if it won’t be long term considering how good he has looked so far.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

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