The Fake Suspense Is Over: Brett Favre Returns
by Brandon on Aug 17, 2010 3:48 PM CDT
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As Matt Bowen says it's "not very professional from Favre." But the Vikings front office, coaches, and other players seem to have no problem holding one player to an entirely different standard. They are enabling this behavior. I guess it doesn't matter if you keep winning.
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Haha. Welcome back Brett!
Wait, how often have we said that again?
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Farv
Ok Vikes, do it this year because it’s your last chance with Farv. He’ll sure retire next year, no he wont, yes he will, no of course he won’t, he has to, naw he can’t, wife will make him, what’s the next surgery, he’s gone, no he isn’t…………Gonna have to let Tjack loose sometime. Or is it Sage the mage?
I sure hate playing against him but, it should be an interesting last stand season.
NO, it won’t be his last stand, yes it will, no it won’t, yes it will…………………..
We (the Lions) won’t sniff the playoffs yet but, PLEASE kick the queen’s ass this year!
Go Pack, Go Lions
Expectations don't produce!
nothing official yet.
They are reporting on Kfan that he is here (MN) in the building to “discuss coming back”. Maybe $20 mill isn’t enough…maybe he wants the biggest contract ever or something. Oh yeah its not about the money though…
What is the most money a player has made per season before?
Has $20 million been touched?
(In cases of signing bonuses, divide the bonus over the duration of the contract for this experiment)
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 17, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Haynesworth
was 7-years, $100 mil.
Sam Bradford’s is 6 years, up to 78 million.
Has someone ever made $20M in a single season?
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 17, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Its not the $$$ or his enormous ego
Its just cuz he loves the game so damn much… LMFAO
by Strohman on Aug 17, 2010 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
It is a bit much for sure
But he gives the Vikings there best chance to win, so I’ll take him. He does like the attention and wants to feel wanted, so the Vikes sent 3 playes to meet with him. Yeah they fed into it, but it worked.
If the Pack never drafted Rodgers and still needed Favre for a few seasons they probably would have put up with the same BS. When you have Rodgers your set and don’t have to put up with the BS.
I said it before, but not on this site, thanks for having a frachise QB for 16 straight years and the getting another right away. Lucky “I know they planned it that way” pricks, lol. Yeah the Vikings had C-Pepp for a few years, yeah…fart.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 20 consecutive seasons
In all fairness, they did have Rodgers
But at that point all they had seen of him was training camp, preseason, and 3/4 of that game against Dallas. So I’m pretty sure nobody knew exactly what we had with Rodgers, but I’m pretty sure everyone was tired of Favre’s drama.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 18, 2010 6:02 AM CDT up reply actions
At the very least
They groomed Rodgers on the bench for 3 years, learning from one of the greats. They might not have known exacly what they had in Rodgers, but had a Kevin Kolb like feel for him. I know Rodgers came before Kolb, bit the analogy seemed to fit.
I bet they were sick of Favre’s drama.
In all fairness the Vikings have only been dealing with him for 2 years so their going to have more patience for Favre. Brett had drained out all GBs patience they had from years of him and TedT…
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 20 consecutive seasons
Except
You can’t learn from Favre! He does everything a QB shouldn’t do fundamentally. Like Favre said himself, he wasn’t going to teach Rodgers anything. Rodgers did it on his own while keeping the bench warm…not saying a word. We’ll see if Jackson or Rosenfels did that too.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Yeah, I think McCarthy and Rodgers himself had more to do with him becoming a good Qb then it had to do with Favre. Obviously it probably helped him to watch Favre but like you said, Favre made it clear from the second Rodgers was drafted that he was going to be a mentor to him.
by packallday555 on Aug 18, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Watching favre
ABout the only things you can learn by watching Favre is how to control the huddle and how to study like a professional and maybe how he goes through his reads. But alot of that is about leadership and work ethic, not really football related skills!
you are right
if the Packers had no one to count on when Favre came back, you are right, we probably would have taken him back and none of this would have happened. That doesn’t mean it wouldn’t have worn us down though…many of us were very sick of his act long before his time in MN!
Sorry
But I don’t see Thompson or McCarthy doing what Childress did last year. Not a chance! If it came down to them begging Favre NON of this would be happening! The Packers would have moved forward w/o him instead of begging him to return!!!
The team clearly would have had a different mindset from 2005-Present had Rodgers not been drafted by Green Bay
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Different mindset?
Yes a different mindset. But I don’t care if Rodgers was already in GB…. I DO NOT think under any circumstances Thompson or McCarthy would be begging Favre to continue to play. Just My Opinion!
I agree with you
I wasn’t trying to say they would beg Favre to come back, I was indicating the team would have sought a different direction, as in bringing in a different young QB. Whether that would be Jay Cutler in 06’, Brady Quinn in 07’, etc. There is no way the team would fall back on begging Favre to come back and not think about the future.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I guess my thought was that IF they didn’t have a good feel about the QB. Lets say we took Brady Quinn and he just wasn’t looking like he was going to be THE guy, they might not have pushed Favre away. I don’t’ think I’d see them BEGGING him to be back, but I do think they would have taken him back as it wouldn’t have been as dire of a situation. I agree though, I don’t think they would have catered to him like MN has but I think he would have been back on the team in 2008 if he asked.
that were we disagree too
I don’t think Thompson or McCarthy pushed Favre away!!! I think he left of his own doing. I think Favre created the whole thing, including his retirement to get out of GB!
I don't think Farve is that smart
I really don’t think the Packers pushed Farve away, they just didn’t kiss his ass when he did retire to unretire. When he wanted to come back we had already made other plans and didn’t make it easy for him to come back. I know Rogers would not be our quarterback today if we would have taken Farve back.Rogers would have went somewhere else. We did have Rogers on the bench if we didn’t it would have been interesting to see the extent they would go to get him to come back. I guarantee though we wouldn’t kiss his ass the way the Vikings are.
smart
So you really think he retired from a 13-3 team cuz he was serious about retiring? And you really think he changed his mind 3 weeks later and when McCArthy and Thompson were making plans to announce his return it was his “love of the game” or something? What about him throwing the organization, coaches, team, everyone under a bus on TV w/ Greta to get back in the good graces of the team so he could return?
Need I continue? Look at ALL the things he did including his retirement. NONE of them say he wanted to be back in GB!!! Just the opposite in fact!!!
Ultimately we’ll never know what his intentions were. I don’t know why he would want to force his way off a team that went 13-3. I think the retirement was authentic but he just doesn’t know how to stick to a decision. After we didn’t greet him with open arms, suddenly all the negative started coming out.
Don't forget
THat he was talking to Bevell and Childress for a long time, it wasn’t just after the season ended! He had been in contact w/ them for quite awhile. Just cuz it couldn’t be proven doesn’t mean there wasn’t tampering going on!!! You know as well as me they werent’ talking about the PTA!!!
so....
you’re saying the tampering charge was legit?
Personally, I just don’t know. I mean it all started with the alleged cell phone records. Then it turns out Brett doesn’t have a Packers paid cell phone.
by gern blanston on Aug 20, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
proof
Nobody ever denied that there were calls between Favre and Bevell/Childress! They DID talk frequently… That being the case do YOU think they were having PTA conversations or football ones? I’ll let you use your own judgment, but ME, I’m not buying the PTA meetings! If they talked football, then it’s tampering. Nobody can prove what the conversations were, but use your head and logic! Thats the reason no tampering charges were brought. No proof of what they talked about, but nobody including Goodell, ever said they didn’t talk!
Both Favre and Bevell actually came out and said they did talk didn’t they? They just said it wasn’t about football, or Favre possibly becoming a Viking. Like you, I doubt that they didn’t talk at all about that.
by packallday555 on Aug 20, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, too me that’s what it ultimately came down too. He retired, later hinted at coming back and then again said no I’m done for good. Then a couple months later he wanted back, and I’m sure Thompson was sort of like well, what do you want me to do now? We came out and said a bunch of times Rodgers is our guy and we’re moving on. Did Favre really think we were just going to throw Rodgers under the bus for him?
I’m so glad we didn’t kiss his ass like the Vikings are doing now. It shows their desperation, and also shows that they have ZERO confidence in either Jackson or Rosenfels.
by packallday555 on Aug 19, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Jackson and Rosenfels
they had to feel low last year but their self esteem after having 3 teamates go beg Farve to come back because they can’t win with Jackson or Rosenfels has to hurt. They probably have a hard time looking their teamates in the eye.
Exactly. I don’t see how things are going to turn out well after Favre is gone.
by packallday555 on Aug 19, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Being sick of the act is ok
Hell I’m sick of it. However I don’t blame Favre for being Favre we knew what he was when we slept with him. I blame that dill hole Childress. No idea why that bastard doesn’t find us another QB so we’re not shackeled to Favre anymore.
Now don’t get me wrong I like the way he plays and he’s a lot of fun to watch. But really do we need to be sending hookers to his house next year?
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
LOL
Good to see some vike fans see Childress for what he is!!! He is literally turning himself into a laughingstock! Think he’ll be back for more than a year AB (After Brent)?
Well honestly other that QB he has done well for the team
His play calling is a bit on the meh side, but we have a solid team and I have to respect that. The only blow I have against him right now is his QB issues.
TJ is not the answer and Joe Web is a serious reach.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
IMO
He just got a contract extension too didn’t he? 5 more years or something. I say he lasts 2 years beyond this one. Your window will be slammed shut as soon as #4 leaves. Might be best to cut bait and rebuild w/ a new HC and QB at that point.
That extension for him is a joke. You think he would have received it had Favre not come back in 2009? I honestly think had they had to endure an entire season with Jackson or Rosenfels, that Chilly would have been gone.
by packallday555 on Aug 19, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree 100% and wouldn't have cried much at all if the leprechaun was toast.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
depends
if he finds a serviceable to good QB, perhaps not…
by gern blanston on Aug 20, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL!
News flash! The Minnesota Vikings have moved their practice facility to Waffle House!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 18, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Because it would piss Bertt off, that's why! LMAO!
No idea why that bastard doesn’t find us another QB so we’re not shackeled to Favre anymore.
Favre and his worshippers would accuse Chilly of "trying to run him out of Minnesota. :)
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The glass is way more than half-full.
No doubt I understand why the Vikings put up with what they did. I just think it only adds to the fact that Favre likes attention but it’s whatever.
To play devil’s advocate, can you imagine if Rodgers wouldn’t have worked out? Hell, the FO already takes a TON of shit, and Rodgers has actually been very, very good. I can’t imagine what it would be like had he not turned out.
by packallday555 on Aug 18, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it that time of the year already?
The time of year when when Brett Favre miraculously returns from retirement to bring the hopes and dreams of a championship to his fans? At this point, I much prefer the day five months from now when he thoroughly crushes those dreams, then pisses all over them.
Also, whether we lose to him twice again this year or not
I’m glad someone in our organization finally stopped the enabling of this queen and told him to go. The fact that this has been going on about eight years is ridiculous, this man’s psyche is more fragile than Tila Tequila’s.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 17, 2010 4:39 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Latest Rumor
Has it that Favre is in discussions w/ the viqueens about his playing this season. Its being reported that Favre is telling Childress and Ziggy that he’ll play in ’10 if they move the viqueens to Hattiesburg and allow #4 to live at his estate. Oh and Childress and Ziggy have to bend over so #4 can releave himself!!! By all accounts both are willing to accept this arrangment since they have been getting Favred since joining the team!!! LMFAO
DUMB
If the objective is the SB, why bring in a QB who is something like 3-9 in the past decade plus in the playoffs? That isn’t going to get any team to the SB!
Well
They have a hell of a lot better shot at it with Favre than with whatever else they can play at quarterback.
Whens the last time #4 has won 2 consecutive playoff games in the same year, much less 3 or 4? My guess is since the 98 SB!
Excellent point. But, um, whens [sic] the last time Tarvaris Jackson or Sage Rosenfels won 2 consecutive playoff games?
Sage and Jackson don't have a reputation in the playoffs
Favre does, and it’s certainly not a good one!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
But he's in the playoffs
I know that neither you nor the always-pleasant Strohman are saying that Sage Rosenfels and Jackson give the Vikings a better shot at going to or winning the Super Bowl than Favre. Right? As a Packer fan, I hope that Rosenfels or Jackson is the Vikings QB next year.
Me too buddy...me too
Hell I would be tickled if Joe Webb is their QB next year. That train wreck would be awesome to watch.
by PackApologist on Aug 17, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Joe Webb
Was drafted late in the 6th round initially as a WR. The guy is a freak of an athelte and they just want to keep him on the team. The Vikes are looking to move Sage anyway so if he is the 3rd QB so be it. Any team that gets down to their 3rd string QB can wright the season off anyway.
6’4
220lbs
4.4 40 yard dash
42 inch vertical
10&3/4 inch hands
You can see why he was a late 6th round pick.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 20 consecutive seasons
WORTH dammit.
You can see why he is WORTH a late 6th round pick
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 20 consecutive seasons
Worth
Being worth a 6th round pick and being a franchise QB are two different things. I know there’s lots of optimism about this guy, but really he’s not a starting QB right now. He may be eventually, but that’s years away.
by PackApologist on Aug 18, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Athletic QB
Name me the last “athletic” QB to win a SB? Other than Steve Young there hasn’t been one… QB’s in the NFL win by throwing the football, even Young was a great passer and didn’t win w/ his feet!!! So unless Webb learns to actually play QB, and uses his feet more to drop back and set up quickly, all that athleticism means NOTHING!!!
More importantly being one of the smartest guys on your team
Thus being why so many teams have a strong emphasis on the Wonderlic Test during the Scouting Combine for QB’s.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Comes back to that 3 traits discussion.
1. QB’s w/ a wonderlic of 26 (intelligence)
2. QB’s w/ a completion % over 60% (accuracy)
3. QB’s w/ 24 or more college starts (experience)
Put them all together and you have a MUCH better chance of finding a Franchise QB. If one trait is a little low you still might (Favre had a 22 Wondelic?) Missing by alot on one or missing 2 and your chances are slim to none! Arm strength and athletic ability help too, but are down the list.
Exactly
People can argue all they want about the Wonderlic because a couple QB’s have gotten scores below the expectation (Favre- 22, Marino- 18), but there is a trend line with very few such as them falling below. It’s a sample out of many things to look at in determining whether so and so will be a successfull NFL QB. There’s no point in having a huge arm and great athletic ability if you’re not smart enough to read a defense, memorize the playbook, and run a 2 minute offense. That takes far more brains than skills. The experience in showing accuracy and playing in games are a couple more things every team needs to look at. They all coincide with one another showing the QB’s potential to play at the next level.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
lol
I had this same argument on DN. Give me a QB with brains and quick thinking. The gun for the arm is nice but accuracy is better. Also he can stand like a statue for all I care.
You can’t teach smarts.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I don’t think a lot of the guys over on DN seem to realize that Jackson seems to lack some smarts.
by packallday555 on Aug 19, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
sounds like
you’ve just described Peyton Manning. Not a lot of mobility, but a great arm, great decision making, etc.
by gern blanston on Aug 20, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Not true.
No chance with Bertt isn’t any better than no chance with “whatever else they can play at quarterback.”
No chance is no chance!
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The glass is way more than half-full.
his likely demands:
- wait to return until game 6
- will only be with the team on game days
- for games he’d rather not play, Brent reserves the right to claim the first snap to keep his consecutive starts streak intact
- only approved teammates will be allowed to look him directly in the eye
- Childress must wash Brent’s car every three days
by swilldog on Aug 17, 2010 5:20 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
There's no way he ends his consecutive starting streak
He returns in time for Week 1 of the Regular Season.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
by Jabooty on Aug 17, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Correct!
If he “waits to return until game 6”, then he relinquishes the right to claim the first snaps of “games he’d rather not play” to keep his consecutive starts streak intact, as it becomes a moot point!
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The glass is way more than half-full.
I agree that the cliches get old
“He’s just having fun out there.” “He just loves to play.” Whatever. He’s good for the NFL, and he’s good for the Vikings, and he gave us Packer fans an awful lot of Sundays, Mondays and occasional Thursdays and Saturdays’ worth of entertainment. I wish him the best (although, obviously, I hope he loses when he plays us).
He's a Viking, dammit!
I wish him the best (although, obviously, I hope he loses when he plays us).
Wishing him the best in the games he doesn’t play us, since we are in the same division (and conference) as they are, is contrary to being a Packers fan, when we are trying to have a better record than them!
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Fakse suspense is over: Fake media surprise begins
And by media, I mean ESPN…
We badly need a distraction from all this.
Wait, Farve is the Distraction of Distractions. Cr@p.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 17, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Well guys, Favre is back so that means we can kiss the division goodbye.
The Vikings are gonna tear through every team in their path resulting in them hoisting the Lombardi this February just like they did last seas…….oh, wait.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 17, 2010 7:25 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Didn't you hear?
They were the best team in the NFL last year. Just ask any moderator at DN.
Well they clearly were the best
The Saints are just a bunch of dirty cheaters. Obviously, all of those late and dirty hits on Favre rattled his teammates and forced them to lose their grip on the ball.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 17, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
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by blackoutsox on Aug 17, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
BSPN
Just ask any moderator at DN.
Or, as you pointed out above, at ESPN
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The glass is way more than half-full.
I admittedly do not watch much ESPN
I was more miffed that my normal background noise, Around the Horn, was replaced by the Brett Favre Media Circlejerk. However, this post at DN amused me to no end this summer.
and yet everyone else thought Green Bay was
Much like this year. Please call the pot whatever. We both have two of the better teams in the NFL enjoy that while you can. As for who’s better there is only one real way to know that, and honestly last year we were better than you.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Whatever....
Good for Brett. Even I wanted to see him back this year. One last hurrah… Though, I do not believe the Vikings will be as good this season as they were last season.
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
who needs brent favre...
when we have this guy?
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Aug 17, 2010 8:43 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Leave the religion out of the football forum please
We don’t need to be watching the 2nd coming of Christ on that video.
Thank you!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
by Jabooty on Aug 17, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Just wait
Now we’re going to hear about how the Vikings player’s and team care more about Favre did then the Packers did. If you ask me, sending three captains down to go and ask beg him to come back reeks more of desperation then anything else.
That Matt Bowen is one smart guy
So three Vikings players, according to Longwell, were sent to Mississippi to retrieve Brett? Unbelievable. If that isn’t a double standard I don’t know what is…
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Aug 17, 2010 11:56 PM CDT reply actions
I probably have no right posting in a Packers forum
but eh what the hell. It seems everyone now is drinking the Packers Kool-Aid, and everyone is picking you guys to win the NFC North, and follow up with a Super Bowl appearance. And I for one have yet to find a reason why this would be the case. Have the Packers done anything to even remotely that they should be favorites for the 2011 NFC North Champs, I’m not here as one of those Viking fans to tell you that the Vikings are gonna whoop the Packers butt or anything, just want to get mature insight as to what you guys think about the reason the Packers are the favorites? It’s either gonna be the Packers or the Vikings this year, cause they are the most talented teams in the division, and the Packers have an enormously talented roster this season. Thoughts?
I think a lot of people feel
that if this team is the same team that played the last 7 games last year (meaning with a stable offensive line) that they are a better team than the Vikings. Both games vs. the Vikings last year were before Tauscher was back at RT and it was the edge the Vikings needed to beat us both games.
Clearly both teams are very good and there was only one game separating them last season. If the O-Line can hold up, it’s hard to see why the Packers offense wouldn’t be even more potent than last season, and operating in the 3-4 for a second year could provide dividends for the defense (although that’s a much bigger question mark). Favre’s health is more of a question mark this season and the Vikings O and D-lines are getting older – I feel their best shot was last year, although I still expect them to be a force.
Basically, the teams were very close last year, but I feel the Packers should be even better this season and I’m not sure what would make me feel the same about the Vikings.
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 18, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
The Vikings
Lead the league in sacks last year and were #2 against the run. The D-line might be getting older, but they are only getting better. The Vikings are the best/deepest team in the league on the D-line. They already have Fat Pat’s replacement in Jimmy Kennedy, Mitchell or Evans. They are all set on the D-line. The Viking O-line had two new starters last year in Sullivan and Loadholt, but they are improving. Hutchinson is said to be feeling 100% going into the season and admitted last year at this time that he was not.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 20 consecutive seasons
What makes you think any of those players are ready to replace Pat?
A good performance against the Rams in preseason is not a legitimate answer. But if you must know why I think the Packers are slightly better (Even with Favre) is because of Aaron Rodgers. If he gets time (Which I expect he will, if Colledge isn’t the LT) there is no reason for him to not torch the secondary. Also, I don’t think Favre lasts the whole year and you’re crazy if you think either Sage or Jackson has the confidence to come in as relief and perform well.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 18, 2010 6:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I follow the Vikings extensivley
And Jimmy Kennedy was signed to a deal this off-season to replace Pat when he is done after this season.
The Vikings lead the league in sacks last season for a reason. They have the best pass rush in the NFL. Regardless of who is starting on your O-line Rodger’s is likely to have the least amount of time to throw against the Vikings, having the best pass rush and all. CB Chris Cook is looking good and could be a starter by years end.
Favre has gone this long. I wouldn’t bet against him playing a full 16 at this point, ankle and all. After the #s he put up last year and staying healthy all of last season do you really doubt him?
As for T.Jack or Sage they would do okay. Probably not great. 9-7 or 10-6 Wildcard, but certanly wouldn’t go far in the playoffs. If Rodgers goes down its likely the Pack wouldn’t make the playoffs at all.
As for torching the secondary well Rodgers might but, I really believe the Vikes DBs will be better. Winfield is finally 100%, Griffen is coming along nicely, Chirs Cook has been the best rookie at camp and bringing Lito Sheppard for depth is nice. Yes Cook has moved ahead of Sheppard on the depth chart. Speaking of torching the secondary its pretty easy to do when you don’t get sacked. Just ask Favre, who wasent sacked once in the two games last season against the Pack. I think most can admit that if the Pack don’t get more pressure of Favre this year the outcome will be the same as last year.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 20 consecutive seasons
All your observations seem to be based on the best possible outcome with a very high bias.
Kennedy becoming a viable replacement, rookies panning out, Favre repeating last year, etc. Please tell me what Kennedy has done to make you think he’s a viable option? A number twelve overall pick in 2003 who is now on his fifth team? I live in MN so I usually have to watch some Vikings games and I’ve never seen anything from him that leads me to believe he can replace Pat.
As for the sacks, that’s fine but like I’ve said I remember the two games against Green Bay and I honestly think I could’ve gotten a sack against that offensive line. They were flat out awful. As for Favre, you’re right that if we don’t get pressure, he’ll repeat last year’s performance. I don’t know if the team will be able to do that or not but I would hope so.
As for Favre, I was wrong last year so I could very well be wrong this year. However, even you have to admit the odds are stacked. Teams know exactly what they need to do now after last years NFC championship. Plus, he’s approaching 41 and we don’t know how well that ankle is feeling.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 18, 2010 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Here the thing, this offseason
The Vikings signed Kennedy to a 3 year deal worth about 3million per. He filled in nicely for Pat when he was injured and the Vikes barely skipped a beat without him.
Rookies panning out? How about 1 rookie? Thats it. I didn’t say anything about Gerhart, Griffen or any other draft picks. Cook has been the standout at camp and the Viking coaching staff has stated he could be starting sooner than we think. Mike Mayock has even pointed out how good Cook looks and that he is impressed.
That is not bias.
Neither is not doubting Favre. Yes he is turning 41, but after what happend last season he has shown he can do it. The shoulder was just as much, if not more of a concern last season and how did that go. I’m not saying he will repeat the success of last season, but he has the streak for a reason so I’m not doubting him.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 20 consecutive seasons
As for torching the secondary well Rodgers might but, I really believe the Vikes DBs will be better. Winfield is finally 100%, Griffen is coming along nicely, Chirs Cook has been the best rookie at camp and bringing Lito Sheppard for depth is nice. Yes Cook has moved ahead of Sheppard on the depth chart.
See that’s the thing though, even when those two guys were healthy he still did torch you guys and that was with our two back up OT’s starting. If our starters do a better job, which I’d say is a pretty safe assumption, it could make things much easier on Rodgers.
I’m not as high on your secondary as you are either. I don’t think Winfield will ever be the same again. He was supposed to be 100% last season when he finally came back from his foot injury and the decline in play was blatantly obvious. Griffin likely won’t be back to 100% until next season, and even when he was healthy he was nothing more then an average cover guy. So that leaves you guys with Shepperd (who hasn’t a good year since 2007), Allen (who is only a second year guy, and Cook (who is a rookie).
by packallday555 on Aug 18, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
IMO
I would say the viqueens secondary is in WORSE shape than the Packers!!! Even though they signed Samuel and drafted Cook!
I was thinking about that recently too. Comparing the 2
I think the Vikings secondary may be a little better depth wise, as in if both of our defenses are spread out, they are a little better.
Out of the base package, ours without a doubt.
Getting turnovers, there is no question that GB is better.
For the most part though, we still don’t really know what we have in our secondary. We know they can get turnovers, but can they stop the opposing offenses when we are spread out?
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Packers vs viqueens
Its a simple matter of maturing talent vs diminishing talent!!! All the Packers best players are just now entering the prime of their careers, while the majority of the viqueens best players are clearly on the downside… That and the best QB in the division pretty much seals the deal!!!
Packers 11-5
Viqueens 10-6
A split of the 2 games between the teams…
Viqueens doesn't get old?
Shit Packers did a while ago, but I can bring it back if you like.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
See it
The way I see it, your on OUR site!!! If you don’t like that we call you the viqueens then by all means feel free to leave!!! I’ll call your team whatever I want, and since your on our site you should remain polite!
It is your teams site but
If you call them the Viqueens I can poke a little fun on this or any site I feel like. I am more than respectable and never once on the Vikings site have I ever refered to the Packers as anything but the Packers. Ask your boy Packallday555.
SBN Nation is set up so that you can go to other temas web sites and hopefully have respectful discussions. If I call the Pack what I did in that last post(for the first time in response to Viqueens) on the Daily Norseman I would expect something back from the Packer fans who frequent the site.
All I have to add is that we both play the NFC West. It will be tough. One NFC Wildcard is coming out of that division.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
You must mean NFC East
Glad to see you visit as I have been visiting your site frequently for a month and I appreciate respect for the most part the people at DN have shown. Blindly argumentative but still respectful. LOL
Dammit
I did mean the NFC East and fell like a freakin’ idiot. The West is still a joke. Feel free to give a good ribbing for that one.
The Giants should have a better pash rush this year with Osi, Tuck and Pierre-Paul. Surprise Dallas, Philly… I think the Giants take that division. I can easily see how other could disagree, I just see a bounce back season for them.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
I still see Dallas
I still see Dallas taking that division because the Giants , Philly and Washington all have much greater question marks. Although Dallas biggest weak spot has suddenly become a huge problem for them as 2 starter on the offensive line are out 4-6 weeks. There so concerned about it they might not play Romo this coming preseason game against San Diego because they are afraid he’ll get hurt.
I can see Dallas as more of a safe pick
It definetly will take a bounce back season for the Giants. If the Giants miss the playoff do you think they will fire coach red face?
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
Dallas is a scary pick
Not in the sense that they are good, but because I believe if just 1 of their starting Offensive Linemen go down, their season is shot. Their OL is ridiculously OLD! The only depth they have anywhere is at LT with Alex Barron, who isn’t all that good. Their starting OL is good, but when 1 goes down (and it’s a safe assumption given their age), they are in deep trouble with no depth.
I’m not following this Dez Bryant hype. If he was so good, wouldn’t he have been a Top 10 pick in the draft? Miles Austin is overrated. If Roy Williams picks up the slack though, then I find this offense as a HUGE threat.
Their defense is good though, nobody can argue against that.
I aint on the Philly bandwaggon and I’m not a believer in Eli. Their DL may improve, but their secondary is worse than the Vikings and it’s not even close.
I have a feeling Washington is a hidden gem in that division, so that is my surprising pick. I think Washington will transition just fine into the 3-4. Their secondary is better suited to play zone, which is usually what 3-4 defenses in it’s schemes. Haynesworth will do fine and Orakpo will be a very good ROLB for them. They solidified their OL and picked up a better QB in McNabb.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Miles Austin is not overrated. He emerged because he breaks tackles as well as any WR I’ve ever seen. I know its only one good year, but it takes a few sometimes to prove your worth and break into the rotation. Other than that I can see where your coming from with Dallas.
Washington is possible but it would take a lot. I don’t like McNabb’s WRs one bit. I do like Shanahan though.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
hey I tried to have some intelligent conversation over on DN a couple years ago… I got banned because I was adament that Rodgers would be better then TJ and Grant would be as servicable to us as AD was dominant for you. Mostly Rodgers though!!!
Nothing else… No name calling, or anyting… So if I got banned for that little, then IMO when you come to a Packer site, you can take a little while being polite!!!
I don't know if I'm banned at DN,
But I don’t know if it’s worth it to press my luck, especially with my sig line.
News flash! The Minnesota Vikings have moved their practice facility to Waffle House!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 18, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
Viqueens and shit Packers should get along. Lol, sorry I had to.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
No, you didn't have to.
In the comment you replied to, where did he say anything derogatory about the Vikings?
News flash! The Minnesota Vikings have moved their practice facility to Waffle House!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 18, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
It was form a post a little further up.
Just added funny response from him calling the Vikings the Viqueens about 15 spots up. All in good fun.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
lol majority of vikings on the decline
Priceless my friend pricelss. Math, ratios, they teach them in Wisconsin I’m sure.
5 out of how many on the team?
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Ratios and football
I actually see the Vikings as a team in decline as well. It has nothing to do with a percentage of the team, but rather the amount of key contributors who are getting up there in age.
Add on top of that there is another group of key contributors who are entering the the back end of their prime (Shank, AP, K Williams, etc.). This wouldn’t be a big deal if the team wouldn’t need to break in a new QB after this year.
by PackApologist on Aug 18, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
And
No viable backups at ANY of those important positions!!!
TJ for #4?
Kennedy for P. Williams, please!!!
Evans for K. Williams Not hardly!!
??? for McKinnie, Hutch, Winfield, Samuel, Allen, etc…
Actually next year we'll be fine with the cap
We’ll have to sign Rice, Greenway, AD and Edwards though. I think Edwards will be shown the door and the other three will all fit in the umbrella that was Favre and Pat Willliams contracts. As well AD already make a crapton of money.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Well losing Favre and Williams will free up money but don’t ya think they need to spend money to refill those two spots? Maybe they replace Williams in house but they are going to have to either bring in another FA aging QB (maybe Mcnabb) or go balls out in the draft.
You add in the fact that AD is going to look for a HUGE contract and if Rice has another nice year with Favre you know he is going to want top 5-10 WR money. Shiancoe is only under contract til 2012 so he’s going to start looking for a real paycheck. What about Greenway and Leber 2011? Does Longwell head out the door after this contract? This year is going to be a HUGE year for you guys, you have a TON of huge contracts to write soon.
Actually many of our defensive linemen even in the second string
Play quite a bit in the regular season. Phat Pat is only in on running downs pretty much as of last year. That let other people get a lot of reps. Now are they as good as Pat at blocking the middle? Maybe not but they are good at something for sure. Dunbar is a fantastic coach and I see us having a great D Line as long as he’s part of the picture. As for the rest of the team. Who really has awesome backups anyway? We have decent WR depth, RB we are ok at. QB we aren’t terrible. Line we could be hurting for sure, but our draft pick is looking pretty good so far. Secondary I actually am liking this year. Cook looks like the real deal.
Anyway, I always like it when other teams compain about your second string. It means they have nothing bad to say about your first stringers.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Like I said
Your 1st stringers, particularly most of your best ones are on the downside. IMO, your window is closed!!! Last year was it… Everything couldn’t have gone better and you didn’t make it!
Kennedy and Evans are career backups, not starters! They MIGHT be servicable if pressed into starting, but they won’t keep your DL great. Was this Dunbar around when Udeze and Erasmus James were 1st rd BUSTS?!!!
Read a article in GBPG Aug.18 by Mark Craig of the Minneapolis Star and Tribune
I’m sure you can find it out there somewhere. Didn’t believe a Viking beat writer could slam the team that bad and still cover the team. He totally tears the Vikes apart for the Farve carnival ride. Then he goes on to say this team is done if they don’t do it this year. He quotes Pat Williams saying. I think it’s the last year for this group.You got a lot of free agents coming up. A lot of these guys probably won’t be here next year.So I think this is our do-or-die year. We got to win it this year."
The author also mentions in the defensive front seven 4 are in their final year of their contract alone. Nine of their starters are in their 30’s and one in his 40’s(bet you don’t know who that is). Besides the guys in their final year there are others who feel they deserve new contracts(Rice, Peterson). I thought last year was. their year they didn’t do it. They have got a shot this year I knew their window was closing but it sounds like a mess as soon as next year. I guess the team we’ll be worring about in the next few years is Detroit
Must read for all Packer fans.
and the vike fans visiting…
http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100817/PKR01/100818009/1058/PKR03
Pretty clear and what I’ve been saying for awile!!!
Well yeah, we solved our offensive line problems. Plain and simple. That was the main reason you guys beat us twice last season. I think the games would have been more interesting had Clifton and Tauscher been in there, and hopefully we’ll get to see this season.
That, and our defense will likely improve by default to a degree. It’ll be their second season now in the defense, and the guys should be more comfortable in it. I’m sure they’ve also learned more nuances of it, and moving a guy like Raji to NT could turn out to pay dividends as well.
I’m not sure that we should be favored over you. I think not knowing whether Favre was going to play or not probably played into people picking us. I think guys coming back from injury is a bit of a question mark for you guys too. A lot of those guys are your core guys, and some of your key players. (Winfield, Henderson, Griffen, Williams, Hutchinson, McKinnie) I guess those are the main reasons I think people are hopping on our bandwagon (though I think that even gets a little blown out of proportion) instead of yours.
by packallday555 on Aug 18, 2010 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention
Playing our LG at LT against Minnesota….twice!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
So what was up with your secondary?
I didn’t see a lot going on in the off season about how you were going to fix that up. other than practice harder… And poke at Winfield if you like but I woudl rather have him that Al Harris.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Secondary
Winfield and Harris is a push… Added Burnett and Sam Shields to the secondary. Burnett everyone knows about, but SHields is an UFA who has as much ability as any of the 1st and 2nd rd CB taken in the draft! Needs experience like any rookie CB, but has been making plays in every practice. Only one year at CB at The U, but thats good and bad. Inexperienced yes… But makes him a blank slate w/ fewer bad habits to break!
Gives us 4 young CB w/ a ton of potential… Most CB take till 3rd season to be ready for starting roles. Your counting on Cook to be a starter from what I hear, and w/ Harris we are counting on them as dime at best.
Haha there was more then practice harder. We’ll get Harris back, as well as Lee, and have a young guy in Underwood who the staff seems to like. The secondary should definitely be better then they were. I mean at least this season we won’t have to have a special teams only type player play as our nickel back. Not too mention a FA signed off the street midseason as our dime back.
And poke at Winfield if you like but I woudl rather have him that Al Harris.
Haha while this might be true, it’s not saying much. I honestly don’t think Harris will have much left. I hope he proves me wrong but the reality is he’s 35, coming off a major knee injury. The same thing can be said about Winfield. He’s 33, coming off a broken foot that really took a toll on him last season. He was said to be 100% when he came back last season, and I believe he ended up coming back nearly a month later then originally expected. The fact that he still performed relatively poorly after that is telling to me. It seems like the injury could have been a catalyst to his decline, and I honestly think that will continue. Just my opinion though.
by packallday555 on Aug 19, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Fair point
Personally, I need to see the Pack stand up to the pressure that comes with being a favorite. Under McCarthy, I have yet to see them do anything but surprise everybody with their talent, come out of nowhere when everybody had counted them out, and then wilt under the spotlight as soon as the expectations go up.
I mean, hey, don’t get me wrong. They’re a good team either way, and I’ll enjoy the season no matter how things turn out, but I’m just saying that my guard is still up, and it will remain so until they show that they can start stringing wins together when there’s a target on their back. They’ve got the talent, but they haven’t shown the mental toughness of a champion yet.
by Curly Lambeau on Aug 18, 2010 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions
…not that Favre has either. He is – and has been throughout his career – the poster-child for being at his best when it matters the least. …and then he freaks out in big games. I remain very, very glad that he’s the Vikings problem now. At least the current Packers might figure it out eventally, whereas Favre’s an old dog.
by Curly Lambeau on Aug 18, 2010 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Favre might have thrown that INT against the Giants
But the Pack would have not got to the NFC Championship game without him. Fine start Rodgers a year earlier, still no. Did Manning “freak out” right before he threw a pass that was picked off by Tracey Porter?
So you would rather have a season where you lose the Wild Card game because your QB fumbles deep in his own end?
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 20 consecutive seasons
We wouldn't have been in the NFC wild card game without Rodgers
And we wouldn’t have been competitive in that game without Rodgers. I do find it funny that people bring up playoff record though. You do realize that Favre didn’t win it all his first season starting, right? Or even his second.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 18, 2010 6:13 AM CDT up reply actions
They were there bc of Rodgers for sure.
It’s hard to win in the playoffs. How many QBs in the league have a winning playoff record? Brady, Big Ben and Manning maybe?
It gets harder in the playoffs and Favre doesn’t freak out in big games just like Rodgers wasent freaking out when he fumbled against Zona. It’s the playoffs it happens. All you can ask is for your QB to give you a chance to win. Favre and Rodgers both do that and on the right team either could win the SB.
I didn’t really bring up playoff records, I was just responding to you saying Favre freaks out in big games. The same could be said for Rodgers against the Cards last year losing the ball around his own endzone. It would be stupid to say that either freaked out. In both the Vikes and Packs playoff loses I don’t pin the loss on the QBs. They may have made the late mistakes but neither teams D stepped up against two of the best offences(Saints and Cards) in the game, especially the Packers.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 20 consecutive seasons
i'm glad
that favres back, just for the packers and rodgers sake. meaning, right now it’s 2-0 in favor of favre. rodgers and the packers have a chance to even the score this year. if the packers sweep the vikes this year, rodgers will get some detractors of his back because he beat favre and than thompson will feel a little vindicated because he went with the young talented qb in rodgers. but—————
if the vikes sweep the packers again, there’s always going to be that 500 lb gorilla in the room saying “well, nice season,career ect….”, but you couldn’t beat favre and the vikes. which will probably cost you a division title and a 1st round bye.
i wonder if that ever crossed favre’s mind when he was waffling on retirement this summer. “i beat the packers twice last year and i proved to ted that i’m still a good qb”
imo———he’s taking a big risk coming back, right now, in his mind he won last
year———-not the super bowl, but sticking it to thompson. this year teddy and the packers get a chance to draw even.
thoughts on my opinion, speculation, theory, synopsis, ect…..?
this outa be interesting feedback———-looking forward to it.
So many
Of the Viking faithful have been defending Favre to the point it makes me sick. I am a HUGE Viking fan and I know Favre gives the Vikes their best chance to win, but I don’t have to be blind to see the guy as a bit of a prick.
Favre has brought most of the attention towards himself and others defend him saying its the media. It’s both, but he doesn’t have a hard time throwing them a bone. Then he will get Meriucci to tell NFL Network he hates the attention and doesn’t like to be bothered. Some of the same Viking fans that were saying he was a INT machine, a crybaby, diva are now rushing to his defence. Yes he plays for the Vikings so I can understand the added support especially after last season. I cant just put on Viking blinders to how he has acted dragging out this process like no other over the past few seasons.
Don’t get me wrong I’ll still take Favre, I just can’t turn a blind eye and defend him.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 20 consecutive seasons
Some of the same Viking fans that were saying he was a INT machine, a crybaby, diva are now rushing to his defence.
I would be really interested to see what many of the guys over on DN were saying about Favre back in 2007 when all of the drama was going on. Because obviously they had no bias then.
by packallday555 on Aug 18, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I suppose that’s true, but they were certainly more neutral then they are now with him on their team. They probably took sides based on their own actual values as opposed to blindly taking Favre’s side because he is now on the team. Back then they still had to decide between Favre (who they hated) or the Packers FO (who I’m sure they also hated).
by packallday555 on Aug 18, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
lol hell with that
We were totally biased. Mostly because we hated him…
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
True but just because he had a great year
Doesn’t mean we should defend his wacky way of doing things. Like I’ve said too many times before, I’ll take him, but won’t defend his offseason garbage.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
Haha yes, I should have stated what I said much differently looking back on it.
Many hated him back then but I’m sure many also hated the Packers, and everything relating to them as well. So my line of thinking was most probably picked a side based on what they truly thought, and what their values were. Though even then I realize there was those who probably would have just sided with our FO because they hated Favre so much.
by packallday555 on Aug 19, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah its hard to say that about SBN
I’ve only been on for over a year, but on other sites there was tones of Favre bashing by many Viking fans that many by now are saying the opposite and defending the guy. I’ll take him, but rufuse to defend his unorthodox, to put it mildly, way of doing things.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
Meh
I think making the score even at 2-2 is just a mere bonus at this point. The dock on Rodgers for so long is he won’t be a good QB, the Packers made a mistake in moving forward with Rodgers and not giving into Favre’s demands, and Rodgers will never be a leader. Well, Rodgers already proved EVERYBODY wrong on that, which is why most of us have moved on from Favre and into the Rodgers era.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Not everybody :)
Well, Rodgers already proved EVERYBODY wrong on that…
Stroh and I were both vigorously defending TT on the GBPG forums during the circus that was the bummer summer of 2008.
In fact, I said there, then, that what I wanted TT to do was “refuse to start him, refuse to release him and refuse to trade him,” because that would have forced Favre to decide between holding a clipboard, or re-retirement; the Packers held all the cards then, and Bertt would have had no other options!
I understand, and understood then, why the Pack had to eventually give in and trade him, for the sake of the locker room, after he forced their hand by reporting to camp. but, in an ideal world, IMO, that would have been the thing to do. :)
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Even if he does end up going 0-4 against Favre it would still be silly if people always brought it up. The Packers vs. Vikings games last season weren’t just played by Rodgers and Favre. I don’t think anyone would argue that Favre’s team was more talented then Rodgers last year either, which certainly gives Favre an advantage no?
Honestly I just laugh now when people tell me about how Rodgers being swept last season by Favre, as if it adds to the fact that he isn’t a good Qb or something.
by packallday555 on Aug 18, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Personally I think they shoudl just arm wrestle.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
the formula to beat each other appears to be this:
If I wanted to beat the Vikings, I’d bring lots of pressure lots of times and beat the crap out of Favre. This is what New Orleans did. Favre does not like to get hit any longer. By subjective recall, I think he throws most of his picks when he’s trying to avoid getting creamed or trying to force something. If you get constant pressure on him, then he seems to get happy feet. The way to beat them on D is to get the ball out quickly and attack their secondary because of their strong D line. The Packers have too many weapons to be contained – unless the line doesn’t hold up. Last year it didn’t.
The way to beat the Packers is essentially spread us out on D and pick us apart. The question there is pass rush and secondary depth. When we’re on offense, you blitz a lot and try to get Rodgers holding the ball. These are not new observations.
Getting back to the games we played last year, the Jolly head butt really was a momentum turner. He’s not on the team any longer. I think that was the turning point. So, if the Packers are more aggressive I think they’ll have much more success against Favre and the Vikings. As Packer fans know, and Vikings fans have already learned, it’s not a question of IF Favre implodes, it’s a question of when.
As for next season, assuming there’s no lockout, I can see a whole bunch of Vikings wanting to get paid. Guys like AP come to mind. They opened the piggy bank for Brett. They’ve got no one set to fill his shoes. I mean if T Jack or Sage were any good, we’d not be having this conversation. By bending over and taking it up the rear, the front office has really set the scene for a bad couple of years.
by gern blanston on Aug 18, 2010 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
One problem
With your observations… THe Saints didn’t blitz Favre much. IMO, they mostly got pressure on Favre by bring just 4 DL and playing coverage behind it!
doesn't matter
how they got pressure. Just that they did. If you can get it with the front 4 and play coverage behind it, great. I like our corners, when healthy, better than the Saints.
by gern blanston on Aug 18, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
it does matter when you don't blitz the QB doesn't have anyone to throw it to
That is what makes the Vikes D tick. We don’t have to blitz to get pressure so we have a crap load of people in the back field. Saints did the same thing. Favre still had a great night. Personally I think you all are letting your rabid Favre hate color your judgement. There were many turnovers that night and a lot of dumb mistakes on our side of the ball.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
You're missing my point
My point was solely that the way to beat Favre is to rattle his cage with pressure. Where and how it comes from, what holes that leaves in your D are not really what I’m getting at. Yes, he’ll find those holes and exploit them. He’ll also make mistakes – and usually when it’s at a critical juncture in the game. He’s proven that time and again. I’m not trying to argue defensive strategy with anyone here.
And to be clear….I don’t hate Favre. I don’t hate anyone, really. He’s not on my team. He’s on a division rival. I don’t root for him because some people think he’s “good for the game”. I don’t want him intentionally hurt. I just want him to lose to my team, the Packers. That’s it. I am tired of his wafflefest retirement saga. It plays like a broken record and he’s lost credibility by how he’s conducted his business. Yet it is a business and it’s his legacy to do with what he will. He’s obviously not consulting me and is going to do what he will – as he should.
I don’t necessarily blame Favre for the NFC championship games against NY and Philly. There are lots of other factors that you can point to. Yet at the same time, those were the final obstacles that occured at critical points in the game that were not able to be overcome. So yeah, it was the LAst one, and therefore the most important one. I mean the Philly game was not about 4th and 26th for me or the OT INT. It was about not going for it on 4th and less than 1 with a clearly gassed Philly D Line, Bidwell punts to the end zone for a net of 15 yards. We go for it, and Green was running all over them, and get it, that’s the game. I’m sure you have similar sentiments about last years NFC championship game. Yet it’s been a recurring theme that is hard to overlook.
by gern blanston on Aug 18, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, I’m not sure that the Saints really “laid out” a game plan to beat you guys. They really did the same thing that every other team tried to do to you, they just did it more effectively.
by packallday555 on Aug 19, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
he must have taped it to his ankle
Ain’t it amazing how the extra $7 mil miraculously healed his ankle? Now I know why those televangelists always want money, it does actually heal the sick.
Another question: Why do the same pundits who blasted LeBron think that Bert Fart is the second coming?
This just in!
The Minnesota Vikings have moved their practice facility to Waffle House! Details to follow at 11.
News flash! The Minnesota Vikings have moved their practice facility to Waffle House!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 18, 2010 1:30 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
want some cheese with that whine?
I’m a Jets fan stuck here in Packerland. All my friends are Packer fans so I follow them and spend a little time in this blog. Packer fans may be a tad bit over confident in their opinion of their team, but they just don’t whine like you Viqueen fans. “The Saints are dirty cheaters….boo-hoo.” Get over it. The Jets got beat by a better team in the AFC, you don’t hear me whining that Peyton Manning cheats.
Oh, and by the way, Bert Farve is a low-down dirty dog who cost the Jets a playoff spot in 2008 because he needed to extend the “streak” while screwing the team and Childress is a wuss that lets Farve run the team just like Mangini did in ’08.
by Egbert Souse on Aug 18, 2010 2:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He left the NYJ to go to MN because he wanted to win a Superbowl
Yet a rookie QB in NY leads his team just as far as Favre does for MN. “For the love of the game.” Good call there Brent. LMAO!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
He’d have an amazing D, and a super strong running game with an Oline that gets it done and a balsy coach who really motivates his team…that might have been enough. Heck they got to the same place with a Trent Dilfer like QB performance all year. That is amazing.
Problem Is...
Could Favre have played for Ryan? Don’t know about that… It would be Ryan’s team, not Favres!!! LOL
Favre had almsot all those things in Minn too. Their OL wasn’t quite as good, but other than that he had a top DL and strong running game!!!
Still kinda ironic he left to go to Minn to win a SB ring, allegedly and his best chance would have been in NY. Serves him right! LOL
Hell yes he could have played for Ryan
Farve loves having his ego stroked. No one seems to stroke a ego like Ryan look what he’s done to Revis, He’s stroked his ego so much that Revis believes he should be paid like a quarterback. He’s going to implode that team but hell yes Farve would have loved his coach calling him the greatest of all time
very good point
Ryan is the ultimate stroker…of egos. I bet he would have LOOOOOVED Rex Ryan, he’s a total players coach. I think he probably would have respected him more than he respects Childress too. He KNOWS he can walk all over Childress but that doesn’t mean that is what he wants or needs.
Mike Sherman
Childress is a wuss that lets Farve run the team just like Mangini did in ’08.
And just like Sherman did from 2000 through 2005!
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The glass is way more than half-full.
And where is Sherman now?
Coaching a mildly relevant Big XII team. Chilly probably doesn’t even deserve that.
Wait ...
Big 12 or Big 10? Oh, hang on a sec….
News flash! The Minnesota Vikings have moved their practice facility to Waffle House!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 19, 2010 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions
That's why I used the roman numerals
From now on we call it the Big Ex-eye-eye
Be careful what you say about eyes.
I got whiplashed badly in my left eye yesterday at work.
News flash! The Minnesota Vikings have moved their practice facility to Waffle House!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 19, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I know this:
Brett will not have the same year he did last year. He won’t play as well. A 40-yr old NFL quarterback is not going to have 2 career years in a row.
And if the Vikings have everything fall into place like last year, then they would be the luckiest team on the face of the planet.
No team is that lucky. It’s not possible.
And Aaron Rodgers will not be judged based on his record against Favre. He’ll be judged by titles – Division Titles, Conference Titles, and Super Bowl titles.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Aug 18, 2010 3:42 PM CDT reply actions
Elways numbers were down and he relied on the running game
Farve had the best statical year of his career. Just saying there’s a difference there.
by PackApologist on Aug 18, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Terrell Davis would like to have a word with you.
Nice try rewriting history, but it usually doesn’t work.
News flash! The Minnesota Vikings have moved their practice facility to Waffle House!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 18, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Htler's mother was a Jew?
How about that for rewriting history?
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Now that's just wrong.
First of all, I was pointing out that Elway had Terrell Davis to rely on, a fact which you conveniently forgot when making your post.
So, as usual, your argument doesn’t hold water.
News flash! The Minnesota Vikings have moved their practice facility to Waffle House!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 19, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Please, please, please
let it never again be said that this guy would play for free. He’s just leveraged 3.5-7 million more into his bank account from the latest “retirement”/extortion scheme.
Jared Allen’s version of the story was to ask him to just decide, yes or no. Favre’s version is that they begged him to do them a favor. I gotta tell you, I’m glad he’s coming back. The damage was done long ago anyway. He got us good last year, and I don’t mind another shot at this.
Sure, there is a chance it goes really, really well for the Vikings again, but there is also some real potential for this to go very wrong. Caving and cowering to one players every want and desire doesn’t provide a very firm foundation for dealing with a few disappointments. If it doesn’t go so well, there will be some buses going in reverse in a hurry.
Buses
If it doesn’t go so well, there will be some buses going in reverse in a hurry.
And Bertt will be sure to be throwing his ’team’mates under them, left and right. LMAO.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
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