Washington Post: Did Favre Make The Right Decision?
In the recent story I wrote for the Washington Post.com, I look at the offense around QB Brett Favre.
First, he's playing behind an offensive line that gave up 34 sacks last season, the Vikings didn't make any effort to improve it, and now he's even less mobile due to his hurting ankle. Second, RB Adrian Peterson's yards per carry keeps slipping every season. Third, WR Percy Harvin is finally back at camp but his migraine problems haven't gone away. And most importantly, they don't know when their best receiver, WR Sidney Rice, will return from his hip injury. That's a lot of question marks for one offense.
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Here’s the cure for Favre ad nauseum
Go to nfl.com/video/nfl game highlights and watch the Vikes 2009 week 13 (stomped by St. Louis on Sunday night in the desert), week 15 (done in by the Panthers on another Sunday night) and week 16 (loss to the Bears).
Vikings suck. So do the Bears. And Favre can’t be happy about having Orange Julius twice a year. You’ll be smiling after watching this.
And it was on a Sunday night, Sunday night, Monday while the Vikes were stumbling to 2-3 over their last five games. I can’t believe I forgot all this!
St. Louis in the desert?
MIssouri is a lot of things, but a desert it is not… You must be thinking of AZ
You could watch the two games where the Vikes suck so bad against Green Bay as well.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Or the game against Pittsburgh.
News flash! The Minnesota Vikings have moved their practice facility to Waffle House!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 19, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
It's Brett Favre, remember?
Anything can happen. A million INTs or a million TDs. The superbowl or 8-8. Until the season is over, the guy is a wildcard. Usually, he does more good than bad. It doesn’t matter if he is on a bad team. Favre makes plays. He’ll win games. The Vikings are still good enough to win even when Favre struggles. Questions or not, the Vikings are dangerous.
Say what you want. Hate all you want. At least he gets to the NFC championship game.
Although Favre said this will be his last year (if you believe him) so we will not have to worry about it after this year.
I will show no pity
I don’t wish injuries upon any player. However, if Favre gets a serious injury this year that will affect him the rest of his life, I will show no pity for he is the dumb fool that that’s playing in his 40s. If he makes it through, good for him. I’m simply saying, I won’t feel sorry for him because he knows the risks he is taking by coming back.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
But, depending on the circumstances (age, unhealed past injuries, etc.),
some take substancially more risk than others and, in that context, “he knows the risks he is taking by coming back.”
Jabooty’s point is a valid one; yours is irrelevant.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
I hate to say this...
…but I think the Vikings are the most talented team in football. I thought they outplayed N’arleans in every phase except for those ridiculous five turnovers. (30 first downs to 15 for the Saints, 500 total yards versus 250 for the Saints). If any of those turnovers are reversed and they would have won and probably went on to win the Superbowl. And they did that on the road.
So it makes sense that he is coming back. But all of this is contingent on injuries, and they have some big names limping around.
I agree with you (unfortunately)
I think the primary reason is that the Vikings Front Office is not afraid to pull the trigger on a veteran like Favre, Jared Allen, Antoine Winfield, or Pat Williams. They’ve also had better luck in the draft. To get Adrian Peterson that year was lucky and to get AJ Hawk around that same draft position is a function of the players available in those respective years.
Injuries are part of it to be sure. However, age is also a factor. I believe the two oldest guys on the team are Pat Williams and Favre. Are they both still viable? It’s not Favre’s arm, it’s his legs that drive everything.
I don’t see the vikings as really having improved themselves, however. That’s given us a chance to catch up with guys like Bulaga and Burnett.
by gern blanston on Aug 19, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
A difference in FO strategies
I would completely disagree with the point that the Vikings have better luck in the draft. The Packers have consistently gotten more starters from the draft than the Vikings. The Packers also do a better job of getting talent in the later rounds and developing it than the Vikings do.
If you look at what the Vikings FO has done over the last five years with the draft you see a trend. They get a one or two very talented players in the first two rounds, and that’s basically it. After those rounds are done they have about 3 key contributors from rounds 3-7 in five years. I wouldn’t call that good drafting, I would call that above average drafting.
First and second round picks are important to be sure, but really it’s rounds 3-7 that build a solid team. The more consistently a team can hit in this area and develop the talent found there into key contributors the more likely the team is able to produce a winner year in and year out. The more likely the team is to find replacements when players move on, which is the norm in the NFL. The more manageable the cap/$$$ spent in players will be. Also the less risk you have if you get a first round pick wrong.
by PackApologist on Aug 19, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but you have to look at the players that you are talking about
I mean you can say we only pull 4 people out of the draft to play but we have a pretty darn good team as well. Not a lot of spots. Green Bay was rebuilding so they had a lot more openings. Also, in all honesty who else has recruited 2 rookies of the year in the last four years?
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
wrong again
We still keep just about every one of our draft picks!!! Even though we have a deep team, alot deeper than the vikes BTW, we still keep our draft picks! If we do release one, most end up on the practice squad. Its a team philosophy!!! We draft talent in the later round that we can develop, you draft in the later round and HOPE one turns out.
Watch this year… I bet that we keep far more draft picks than you do, not to mention that a couple Undrafted FA are close to making the team… SHields and Porter!
Like I said its a TEAM wide philosophy!!!
I also think it's a sound business decision
the younger guys are cheaper, generally less injury prone (except Harrell of course), and possibly more coachable than bringing in a veteran from another team. There’s therefore more harmony in the locker room becuase guys aren’t really comparing numbers (as much).
by gern blanston on Aug 19, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
means nothing
on who you keep. that just means if this years rookies, lets say 6, make the team, than who are you releasing. you’d be releasing players you drafted from the previous couple seasons. of course our rookies have a better chance of making the team, because thompson doesn’t go after free-agents. remember? he builds his team through the draft.
we just have a revolving door of young players year in and year out, that’s kind of why we are usually one of youngest teams in the league under thompson. we replace 24-25 year old players with 21-22 year old players every year.
The question is who can perform
I’m not sure it’s a revolving door per se. I would describe it by saying if the player can perform he sticks…if not he goes.
This is why I said that the backbone of a team is built through those mid to late rounds. There are a good many positions that need to be filled by guys who are going to come from those places. Some great examples of this would be Tramon Williams, Josh Sitton, Cullen Jenkins, and Desmond Bishop. All of these guys were drafted low, or undrafted free agents, who the Packers took and developed their talent. Now these guys are either key contributors or on the verge of that status.
by PackApologist on Aug 19, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
revolving door
The good ones that develop from year 1 to year 2 stick and the ones that don’t get released. WOW, thats hard to figure out isn’t it… Don’t you wish you were a rocket scientist too? LOL
Look we get it… You don’t like/hate Thompsons philosophy!!! Are you TRYING to be an A$$, or is it just your nature?
05 draft about 5 picks didn’t make team in 2nd year and 2 more didn’t make 3rd.
06 4 draft picks didn’t make 2nd year and couple more didn’t make 3rd.
So year… Turnover exists… But the good ones that develop or make names on ST stick.
Yeah that's true
I will give the Vikings FO tons of credit for hitting with their early picks. Mad props to them. I guess the best way I can talk about the two teams is highlighting a video clip over at NFL.com. A few of the talking heads over there were giving out draft grades and they each gave the Packers and the Vikings the same grade, but for completely different reasons. The Vikings got it for AP, Harvin, and the Jared Allen trade. The Packers got it for “hidden gems” and then listed half a dozen guys drafted in lower rounds as well as a few key number one round draft picks that have turned in some good seasons.
That’s the thing about the Vikings, they hit on a few key players who are ready to produce now. They don’t do well with that raw talent and then forming it into a great player. It’s just tough to build a whole roster that way when you need to rebuild.
by PackApologist on Aug 19, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
FA is to cover up holes in the draft
So yeah, you’re not saying anything dramatically different than I am. The Packers drafting is more consistent, shall we say and therefore the team is very deep. Yet the Vikings have been more spectacular and they therefore have a LOT of impact players. Couple those tremendous rookies from the draft with guys like Jared Allen, Favre, etc and you’ve got a heck of a team. I don’t pretend to follow the Vikings and know who their third string TE is, for example. So, aside from their starters, they may have zero depth when compared to the Packers and be less able to withstand the loss of some of those key guys. Yet I’d rather have some of their players than ours – Peterson being the primary example.
At some point, that will come to haunt them and things will implode. It certainly wasn’t last year. I can only hope that it is this year.
by gern blanston on Aug 19, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
You know that's been my pounding but I'm changing my mind
It’s a tight fit, but it’s very possible for the Vikings FO to be able to make a transition. The problem is that right now they have very little room for error. One bad draft pick and the franchise will face a major set back.
by PackApologist on Aug 19, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I like our depth and coaching staff
a whole lot better than MN. I think Chilly is an awful coach and want to see him around for as long as possible just like when Dave Wannestadt was with the Bears.
by gern blanston on Aug 19, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
If a team gives up 5 turnovers they don't outplay the other team
I’m sorry, but I’m done hearing the excuses. They lost.
Right now you don’t hear us going around saying we outplayed the Cards and that we just got screwed by bad officiating and some bad breaks. We could, the NFL came back and said that they made the wrong call the play before the fumble which would of given us a first. (That sounds familiar, doesn’t it?) But in the end we move on. So should they. It’s a new season, everyone is a year old (for better or worse), and we are nearly ready to play the games for real.
by PackApologist on Aug 19, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Point well taken...
by the way, I’m totally a Packer fan so I hope I didn’t come off like a whiney Vikings fan. laughs And I like the fact that we are one year older, and for the better. We’ve been the youngest team the last four years and so the guys are really tapping into their potential (Jennings, Rodgers, JJones, Raji, Tramon, J-Mike, Jordy). So I think we are closing the gap on vikes.
The bad thing is...
Our best CBs are a year older :(
Not too worried
Harris yes… But Woodson I’m not too worried yet… I think he plays another 4 years and is very good for at least 2 or 3 of them.
No, no it's all good
I get what you were saying. Really I’m just tired of hearing how great that Vikings team was last year and how they really were the best. They weren’t, the Saints were. There is a reason why games are played and teams win and teams lose. That’s the bottom line.
Personally I hope the Vikings are still dwelling on last season. I hope they think about it a lot and it distracts them early in the year, because they won’t get any favors later in the year. I also doubt that’s the case. See they are paid professionals just like our guys, so I expect them to take on a professional attitude as well and just move on.
by PackApologist on Aug 19, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
outplayed
I thought they outplayed N’arleans in every phase except for those ridiculous five turnovers.
Did they outplay the Saints in putting pressur on the quarterback?
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Without knowing the reason for the decision, nobody can ever say for certain that it was the right one
Was it made for…
Money? Right decision
Records? Right decision
Attention and fame? Right decision
Love of the game? Right decision
Perceived indebtedness to Vikings? Right decision
Get away from Deanna and the kids? Maybe not so right.
Wants to end career with a SB win? Maybe
The real argument is if the rationale for making the decision is valid. But the answer to most of those questions is that “coming back” (I use it in quotes, I prefer “fulfilling his contract”) was the right outcome.
Funny thing I just heard
Is that Favre was not planning to come back becuase he thinks Childress lacks any credibility!!! Seriously funny since its Favre himself that showed the lack of credibility and benefitted from it!!! Something about Favre walking all over Childress every chance he got… Like changing plays all the time, like refusing to leave a game, like Childress himself leaving practice to pick up Favre from the airport… LMAO
THe divide in the lockerroom is already beginning. Is childress strong enough to control his lockerroom or is #4 already running the team?!!! A lame duck HC is all that Childress is… A lame duck w/ a new 5 yr contract!!!
by Strohman on Aug 19, 2010 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
How much of that is more media bull?
Seriously? If you can attache Favre’s name to anything, writers are going to write anything. Still, we read it. Especially in Wisconsin we love to trash Favre and eat it up.
Cant deny
The media plays a part… But seriously can Childress really have ANY credibility left?! I mean even Jimmie Johnson said he wouldn’t have allowed any of the Favre bull that CHildress is. Johnson said he would have told Favre that he would make some training camp concessions that Johnson decided on, but that Favre would have had to show up to training camp on time, he wouldn’t have begged him last year and he wouldn’t have sent 3 players to beg Favre this year! Face it… No matter CHildress’s credibility is SHOT! He has NONE! Its only a matter of time before it implodes and destroys team unity!!! Sounds like its already starting…
Coaching from the studio chair is far easier
Chilly knows that his ass is on the line, 5 year extension or not. Without Favre this is an aging team that is maybe 9-7. He’s a QB genius but his prodigy fell flat on his face and Sage was their backup plan.
In other words, without Favre, Childress doesn’t have a job. His success is whatever Favre does on the field. There may be team “unity” now (at least, fed to the Vikings media and fans), but when the team starts to falter, the seems won’t be able to hold the accusations and bitterness back.
I don't remember Jimmie Johnson EVER having trouble coaching from the sidelines either!
I would not qualify Childress as a QB genius either! Who has he developed into a Franchise QB? McNabb is more a product of Andy Reid than Childress. Certainly wasn’t Favre, all Childress does is enable Favre to run the team!
But yes w/o Favre it is a 9 or 10 win team at best. His contract likely means that he is a 3 year lame duck!
My "QB Genius" should've been in quotes
I certainly don’t believe he is one…
I read an article on Yahoo that quoted Vikings players saying stuff like, “Favre doesn’t think Chilly knows about the offense.” One of the players was also told that Chilly lied to the media about sending three guys down there to Mississippi, and his quote was something like why the hell would he need to lie about that?
Team morale doesn’t seem to be to high over in Minnesota.
by packallday555 on Aug 19, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats what I based my post on... That and my opinion that I shared even last year.
Yahoo is the one who first reported this. Couple aticles on this story at Yahoo.
Honestly, I found the whole thing absolutely hilarious lol. I didn’t catch anything about McCarthy though. Was that in the credibility gap article?
by packallday555 on Aug 19, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Heres the quote...
Reports followed that Childress was irate after the game upon learning that Favre had revealed the dispute to reporters (though his angry curses were drowned out by the sound of Packers coach Mike McCarthy’s laughter from hundreds of miles away).
And the article…
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AsFOsjs2ZPfdj95Va9G6TxBDubYF?slug=ms-favreencore081810
Thanks for posting that. It really does just keep getting better haha. It seems like things might be falling apart for the Vikes.
by packallday555 on Aug 19, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Latest from vikes
Percy Harvin while standing on the sidelines and not practicing COLLAPSED!!! No apparent reason… Just collapsed. Trainers helped him, but an ambulance was called and it doesn’t sound like he ever got up… Not sure if he was unconscious or not.
He needs all available medical testing.
by Bush League All Star on Aug 19, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Ugh. Hit post too soon.
He needs it because with his history with migraines there might be something else going on up there. It could be very serious as well. Hope all is well.
by Bush League All Star on Aug 19, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
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Any time someone collapses for no apparent reason its serious… Sounds like Migraines was the reason, but it seems excessive. Then again I can’t relate to migraines. Sounds like he may have to go on IR till they figure all this out. I wouldn’t think its in his best interests to allow him to play for a LONG time!
Again Childress couldn’t even handle this very well. Favre told the team to finish the drill they were working on and then break practice, while Childress stood there dumbfounded, not knowing what to do next!!! LOL
Did you read the Jason Cole article on yahoo?
I think Favre wants to be a player coach, like Lou Boudreau and the old Cleveland Indians laughs He really dislikes Chilly, that article is a must read.
Read Both articles.
Favre seems to dislike, not trust and feels he lacks credibilty. This is getting better by the minute!!! LOL
Not Harvin, thats serious…
I can't relate to Percy's apparent constant migraines
But I get them about once every two or three months and they’re awful. I can’t imagine doing anything much less playing football. Hopefully, he’ll be ok.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 19, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 me too
My mom used to suffer from really bad migraines when I was a kid (I hope I wasn’t the cause!). She would be absolutely miserable. I hope this guy makes it OK.

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