The Problems With The Vikings
- I've been hearing for years that it's important to keep control of the locker room. The Vikings thumbed their nose at that wisdom by letting QB Brett Favre hold himself to a different standard than the rest of the team. We'll see if that truly translates onto the field in 2010. Jason Cole reports that the players are losing respect for Brad Childress, and Favre doesn't trust his head coach. Greg Bedard confirms that the story is real, and reminds us that Favre hasn't respected authority in the past.
- The situation with Vikings WR Percy Harvin is getting serious, as he left practice on Thursday in an ambulance. Kevin Seifert calls the migraines career threatening. It makes sense that a person with "debilitating migraines" shouldn't be playing a sport that involves constant head trauma. His absence would be significant.
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This is big...
When I think of all the championship teams from Lombardi, to Laundry, Shula, Noll and even modern guys like Holmgren, Shanahan, Cowher they all command respect. And I can’t think of a single championship team where there was this kind of disrespect for the head guy. And this is just the beginning of the season! Imagine if they lose 2 in a row!
But, we still have to get our house in order! Our first team defense looked like crap in the Cleveland. Fifty one points and 21 points in the last 1 game and 1 quarter. That’s what I’m looking at.
And even if they have a bunch of egos clashing over there, they’re aren’t going to give us anything. We have to take it from them.
Remember when the Cowboys went through that dysfunctional mess at the end of 08?
Remember how it ended?
They lost 44-6 to a division rival with the playoffs on the line, and blew it.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"Right, a ball of hot flaming gas that collapses upon itself." -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 20, 2010 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Now, that was because the entire team was a royal mess
(they lost to the Rams, after all), but the personnel issues killed the team that stole a win from the Packers.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"Right, a ball of hot flaming gas that collapses upon itself." -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 20, 2010 3:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Funny you mentioned the Cowboys...
I was going through a list of Super bowl winning teams and Barry Switzer stuck out to me as a coach that was viewed as a Jerry Jones yes man. But I have no idea if he was less respected by players because of that.
Switzer
Was well liked by players!!! At OU he was well known to be a players coach who would do what could to keep the players happy. But he wasn’t a patsy either! BTW, I am a pretty big OU Fan from the days when Switzer was coaching and running the “bone”…
Those were great days...
Jamielle (spelling) Holloway running the bone…I remember when the packers drafted Patrick Collins in the 7th round, remember that running back in OU? I miss the days of the wishbone…
You are right, I forgot that he was considered a player’s coach. My memory is fading haha.
Figures
From our conversations I wouldn’t have expected you to be a OU/Switzer fan! LOL I would have guessed you would be Neb/Osborne. After the Badgers of course… At least thats how I am.
One of my buddies is a HUGE Nebraska fan (born and raised in Neb) so we watch Neb/OU games all the time. He’s a Cowboy and Cards fan too. We went to the GB vs Dallas game 2 years ago. Lots of respectful smack talk, cuz we both have alot of respect, and dislike, for the opponents.
And, Bob Devaney before him
Osborne was Devaney’s assistant.
Devaney buint the ‘Huskers into a power, and Osborne kept it going after he retired.
I had Devaney’s autograph on a paper placemat when I was young.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Being a yes man to the guy who signs your paycheck is one thing
Tongueing the rectum of a guy who works for you is another.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
I would hope the Vikings are at least smart enough to give Sidney Rice an extension
Because I can’t imagine he’s very happy about Brett getting that extra 3.5 million on top of his 13 while he’s still making 500,000.
why would you hope for that!?
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
by OznCoop on Aug 20, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel bad for Rice
The guy is a difference maker, a great athlete and from what I’ve read a pretty good team mate. I feel like this latest set back in his career could ultimately be the ending to a short career. I would never wish harm on another human being (except my bitch of an ex fiance, she can rot in hell) and I do hope he comes back from this debilitating trauma, even if he is on the Queens
if so, im with you its really unfortunate what he has had to go through
LOL about your “bitch of an ex fiance”
Rice has a hip thing
but I didn’t believe it was terribly serious. Recall the Cris Carter being upset that Rice didn’t attend Larry Fitzgerald’s receivers camp.
If Rice is out and Harvin is out, Berrian is not a #1. Things are not looking good there.
by gern blanston on Aug 20, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Sort of a surprise
Rice’s hip was like Bigby’s ankle: not much (if anything) said about it until training camp started. And now it’s an issue. It’s not exactly clear how long he’s had a problem with it. Now Bigby’s admitted his ankle really hasn’t been well since the end of last season but he didn’t think it was a big deal and thought he “was beat up” and rest would do the trick.
by Brandon on Aug 21, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice comparison
Those seem like almost the exact same circumstances. We know how Bigby’s injury is going to play out but not Rice’s injury. It should be interesting to see if he misses any time or if he just tries to play through it.
by packallday555 on Aug 21, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Vikings have to regret
The Vikings have to regret signing Childress to a 5yr extension last year. He is making that whole organization look like a joke. Farve’s worn out body at 41 can’t possibly keep defying father time. Can you imagine if he has to bring T- Jack or Rosenfels in their confidence has to be shattered after their teamates went and begged Farve to come back because they can’t won with them. They have a tough schedule to start and if they start losing that locker will implode.
Then it will only get worse next year as they haven’t made plans for a longterm quarterback. 9 of their starters are over 30 years old and 1 is over 40. They don’t have the heir apparent on their roster for these players. They were built to win now but that was last year. Many of their key players contracts are in their final season including 4 of the defensive front 7 and even players who aren’t in their final year are grumbling for new deals(Rice, Peterson) wouldn’t you they just threw a potential 7 million more at Farve and he didn’t ask for it.
You can spin it anyway you want it but the extreme special treatment Farve gets is a poison for that team. If they start out the season losing that locker room will blow up and they could have a season much worse than anyone expected.
Happy talk only
Michigan fans are in the same boat this year about their secondary…or lack thereof…
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"Right, a ball of hot flaming gas that collapses upon itself." -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 20, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not true but you misrepresent well
The post was that our team isn’t going to die next year because we aren’t going to have 11 people suddenly retire. IF you read and I’m sure you can, you’ll notice that I and many other agree that our QB situation sucks.
Next year we’ll be in teh boat we were in two years ago. A good team needing a QB.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
But a team 2 years older and a window closed!!!
If you had gotten a QB w/ future the team would be ralllying behind him now and the window would stay open longer! Too bad its slammed shut now…
Different Perspective
Two years ago, it was a problem in the Jets locker room. Might’ve maybe been one guy, Thomas Jones. last year, it was a schism. The schism was so bad, Favre was voted as the team’s offensive captain prior to week 1. This year, allegedly, it’s a lack of respect for the coach. Uh-huh. Look, Chilly is…idiosyncratic, and the part about getting his assistants to lie over the whereabouts of Hutch and company was ridiculous, and I’m not defending it.
But maybe, juuuuust maybe, ESPN has a template that they want to present with Favre. Maybe not, but it seems that his narrative has been eerily consistent over the last few years, and in each case it turns out to be largely bogus.
As for Harvin, I just hope the kid finds something that can give him relief and a good quality of life. Football is immaterial at this point. I hope he plays but not at the risk of permanent debilitation.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
It's an interesting view except for one point
The story didn’t come out of ESPN, it came out of Yahoo! sports. The story was then seconded by a beat guy from a Milwaukee paper. If it’s real, it’s not coming out of ‘Connecticut and ESPN HQ. I don’t think that story has turned out to be bogus, it’s just that something happens where the spin turns a different way. Only one player shed a tear at the loss of Farve on the Packers, DD. The Jets weren’t too heart broken for him leaving either.
My gut tells me that the reality with Bret is that he’s a 40 year old guy who connects with some people in the locker room and not others. When guys like Doug Peterson left the Packers and were replaced with Aaron Rodgers, Brett was already looking for a way out. He just couldn’t connect with the locker room. Look also at who the Vikings sent down to MS to get Brett to sign on the dotted line, it was Longwell (an old golfing buddy of his from his day in GB), Hutch and Allen. These are guys who he has connected with and are in a fairly similar part in life as Farve.
The teams where Brett wasn’t missed were the locker rooms where the places Brett didn’t want to be anymore and thus just didn’t connect with the guys there. GB got too young. NY just wasn’t for him. It’s not good or bad, it just is.
by PackApologist on Aug 20, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
last year
The vikes got lucky. Everyone in the NFC North had a pretty soft schedule and you won out of the gate. Its all about winning!!! Winning cures all ills… But IF the vikes get off to a bad start and happen to lose a couple in the 1st month that lockerroom WILL splinter!!
Childress is nothing a patsy!! The owner is in NY and Childress has noone to be accountable to on a regular basis. So when the team needs strong leadership it will have to come from the HC since the owner isn’t there everyday! And Childress doesn’t have the leadership to control anyone on that team. Hell Favre is the only one who can lead that team! Very soon after a couple losses the team will have to fall in behind someone. That will make CHildress a eunich!!! A HC with a team that won’t follow him!!!
not trying to pick a fight
but aren’t you the one constantly harping about facts, rather than speculation?
I’m not saying I disagree with you. I believe the implosion is inevitable as well. It’s just a question of when. All I can say is that as it pertains to the Vikings, no one is talking about the quality of the product that they’re putting on the field. It’s all about the drama off of it – will Brett return? What’s Chilly’s deal? Is Harvin okay? Yes the team has talent. But if you believe in the “any given sunday” theory, it’s a fine line between winning and losing. Whereas we seem to be concerned about depth in the secondary, the linebackers, etc.
by gern blanston on Aug 20, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Good teams make their own luck
And the Vikings, with ot without Favre, are a good team. I believe they’re great with Favre. To say the locker room will splinter is speculative at best, with a healthy dose of wishful thinking. Yeah, it might happen, but they had a rocky December last year and didn’t manage to implode.
And is your speculation based upon the Yahoo report (it was Yahoo! that initially reported it, but it has been beaten to death by ESPN) that cites an unamed player or couple of players? There’s a big difference between an ‘unamed player’ and the majority of the team. I work in a great office, with great people. If 19 of 20 people think it’s a great place, and the one turd thinks it’s a hole, and you report what the one person says…is it a hole to work in, or is it a great place?
Same for this report. One or two guys who won’t be named is saying Childress and Favre don’t get along, but every prominent locker room guy has gone on camera (Berrian, Hutch, Allen, Peterson, Kevin Williams, etc) to say that Favre is a great addition to the team, are thrilled that he’s back, and that there are no problems in the locker room.
So, who’s right? I’ll go along with the locker room leaders who go on camera.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
yeah, but....
the problem with your assumption is that the guy who would be a named source is now a locker room cancer. Everybody knows it, so no one wants to be on the record. If it’s 19 out of 20, you’re right. But if it’s 12 out of 20, then it’s a real problem. No one knows. Vikings fans have a vested interest in minimizing the issue. Packer fans have the reverse.
It’s like the mentality of many people these days: If I call you on your crap, then somehow I’m the a$$.
by gern blanston on Aug 20, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed wasn't luck
You were the much better team last year although I’d love to play those games again with our tackles.
But I guarantee you those players interviewed would not go on camera saying there’s a rift between there head coach and Farve. You won’t catch any of them bad mouthing on camera Farve or the coach that’s a sure ticket out of town.
Wait till farve isn’t there or things go horseshit then you will hear it. Once Farve left the Jets those players who were telling rosey stories were finally able to tell the truth.
by the yooper on Aug 20, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This.
It was almost nice hearing the Jets players say that about Brent.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 20, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
last year
THe vikes got off to a fast start. THats where the luck comes in. After they had locked up 13 wins and a playofff spot, a couple losses meant nothing! This year you start w/ 4 tough games in the first 6. Start the year 2-4 and lets see the leadership Childress has to hold the team together!!! The vikes MUST get off to another fast start to avoid the dissention in the lockerroom! If they start 4-2 no big deal, but any sign of adversity and Childress won’t be able to hold the team together. When things aren’t going well, it falls on the HC to keep the team focused and fighting thru the problems and provide a solution! Do you really think Childress could do that? I certainly DON’T!!!
More speculation
about Childress’s ability to hold the team together after we lose the first four games of the season, which is again more speculation. Will this team implode? I hightly doubt it. One of the nice things about having vets on your team (good strong vets) is that they will keep the ship afloat when bad things happen. Honestly, poeple on this team want to win, expect to win and probably will win most of their games.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
IF, I said IF the vikes go 2 -4
And given the way he has handled everything to date what other conclusion can there be?! He picked up #4 at the airport, he conceded complete control of the team to Favre when he couldn’t remove him in a loss. Favre goes off in the media about the playcalling. Childress send 3 players to beg Favre into returning. He tells assistants to lie for him.
Does ANY of this strike you as a guy w/ leaderhip abiltiy?!!! NONE of it is anything like a leader, it looks like what he is… A weasle.. A WHIP!!!
Two issues here
I’ve wondered about the locker room situation from day 1. Favre isn’t treated like just another player, and some of his teammates are certain to resent it. But the way Jared Allen has spoken out in support of Favre is remarkable since Allen puts in all the offseason work Favre avoids. The veterans have kept it all together, and that’s something that wouldn’t happen on every team. It’s not a new story. One change is that Tarvaris Jackson seems more pissed off then he did last year.
The Favre/Chilly relationship is the second issue. I don’t think Favre has ever had a head coach he liked. Holmgren would confront him and made him a better player, so now Favre says great things about him and seems to respect him on some level. Favre’s relationship with Chilly is more like Mike Sherman, who lost the respect of the team and was fired over the course of two seasons. I’m sure Favre threw him an anchor when he was drowning. At some point the other players are going to tune out Childress like Favre does now. Favre helped Childress win a playoff game and earn a contract extension, but at some point his players are going to tune him out and he’ll get fired too.
The thing that would piss me off as a player
Would be how he said he was doing them a favor by coming back. How full of himself is Favre? If he really wanted to do them a favor, he would’ve been there by the start of camp fully prepared, or at the very least he wouldn’t have waited till mid August to make his decision.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 23, 2010 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd say that
it’s speculation based on human nature.
The odds are (heavily?) in favor of it, under the circumstances.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Your anti vike sentiment pretty much makes me not pay attention to anything you say.
As Yahoo sports is by no means a quality journalistic site. I’m not putting to much stake into what they say. Personally, sports reporters shouldn’t even be named reporters just sports guessers or something. Actually some of your post kind of remind me of GP’s.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Unfortunately I have have to agree with you on that one Grime
It’s a sad day that I have to say that some Packer fans are sounding like GP. Although deep down I think he is a Packer fan since he is always seeming to talk about them even when the post has nothing to do with the Packers.
by PackApologist on Aug 20, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he might have been a Packers fan sometime before in his. He has to have been. I swear the guy likes talking about the Packers more then he likes to talk about the Vikings.
by packallday555 on Aug 20, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Winning is the cure-all
Nobody cares about special treatment, locker-room schisms or whatever when you are winning football games. The Vikes better hope they can put up some Ws otherwise I can foresee the train coming off the tracks pretty quickly.
Agreed
They have a tough schedule to start so the stars mabe aligning for a implosion
anyone see this?
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Vikings-work-out-Javon-Walker-Brandon-Jones.html
how hilarious would it be to have Favre and Walker on the same team again?
Unfortunately, that means Harvin is most likely not doing well. I don’t like to see that.
LoL
That almost looks like an Onion article! Hilarious…things are just getting funnier and funnier, curiouser and curioser.
by PackFaninFL on Aug 20, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually we lost our 5th receiver to a broken finger.
Which is why we brought these two to practice with us in the first place. Now I won’t say because of the collapse that we won’t be looking for help on Harvins spot as well.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
ohhh he got a boo boo
Do you have any idea how many fingers Favre broke of Packers WR over the years??? Probably about 10 per training camp!!! They never were ’lost" to broken fingers!!! LMFAO
Guess your 5th WR doesn’t want to be on the team too bad!!!
The arm is still there
obviously…..but are the legs? I recall Troy Aikman saying Brett would have the arm to throw in this league into his 50’s. But it’s the legs that go first.
If Brett is still got some pounds to lose – how is his mobility? (no….not being a jag. I’m asking a genuine question)
by gern blanston on Aug 20, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Not being a smart ass here, but I honestly don't know
If there is a history there between Walker and Favre, would you please share? I don’t remember there being a rift, but then again, I only follow one team obsessively. :)
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
For one year Walker was a terrific WR for the Packers. WIth a couple years remaining on his rookie contract, Walker wanted to renegotiate a new contract w/ the Packers. Hired Rosenhaus, asked for his new contract, held out… The whole deal… Favre PUBLICLY came out during the offseason and said Walker should honor his contract. Walker held out till training camp, never got his contract and finally reported. THere was a whole offseason controversy about Walker getting a new deal, and Favre added fuel to the fire. Walker reported, late I believe, and tore his ACL in the 1st or 2nd game. Walker never got over the fact that another player, much less his QB called him out and said he should honor his contract!!!
Walker was traded during the next draft for a 2nd rd pick, and was never really the same reciever, though he put up a 1000 yd season w/ Denver. ANd got a big deal w/ Denver at the trade.
Just some irony
From ESPN, Favre on Walker in 2005:
“When his agent tells him not to worry about what his teammates think and all that stuff, I’d tell him I’ve been around a long time and that stuff will come back to haunt you.”
“We’ve got guys who’ll give great effort. Stars are made that way. Look what happened when Sterling left. Robert Brooks stepped up,” Favre said. “We can win without him.”
Favre left no doubt how he thinks the team should handle the situation.
“I sure hope the Packers don’t give in to him,” he said.
Oh yeah, I do remember that
Thanks for the info.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Interesting to read those quotes from Favre now…I wonder what his teammates think right now with him basically holding out for more money like he just did! Those words might come back to haunt him!
It wasn’t about the money. He plays because he loves the game…
by packallday555 on Aug 21, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
oh yeah...forgot.
pretty sure no one has made $28 mill for a season before…more motivation for us to knock out those vikings:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d819e422a/article/favres-restructured-contract-could-net-him-up-to-28m-in-2010
So much history
Farve has been playing for so long that you forget some pretty significant things that he did or said in the past. He probably has more events that became major news topics for events on and off the field than any player in NFL history. Whether it be his father dying, wife’s bout with cancer, drug rehab’ alcohol rehab, win a Super bowl, lose NFC Championships, could go on and on and on. Love or hate Farve it was always exciting. Just saying he’s been around so long you forget half the shit he did.
by the yooper on Aug 21, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was meant as a reply to
He probably has more events that became major news topics for events on and off the field than any player in NFL history.
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The glass is way more than half-full.

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