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Preseason Analysis: Packers Defeat Seahawks 27-24

Last week QB Jake Delhomme had a strong TD drive against the Green Bay Packers first-team defense. This week it was QB Matt Hasselbeck who went 11 of 15 for 127 yards and 1 TD. However it wasn't actually their first-team defense since CB Charles Woodson, LB Clay Matthews, and LB Nick Barnett were held out. The only starting linebacker was LB Brandon Chillar, and he really LB Brad Jones should be starting. 

On offense, it's amazing what a difference it makes having both LT Chad Clifton and RT Mark Tauscher back, plus LT Bryan Bulaga rotating at left guard with LG Daryn Colledge. QB Aaron Rodgers could have finished reading a book he had so much time to throw. Rodgers and the first-team offense was in for two possessions, and made it look easy as they marched down the field for two touchdowns. It doesn't mean it will be that easy during the regular season.

I wasn't able to watch the entire game yet, I missed most of the 2nd quarter including the play that got S Derrick Martin ejected, but here's a look at some of the players I noticed on Saturday night:

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The Good

TE Jermichael Finley. Every pass he caught went for a 1st down or scored a TD. Rodgers was great again at getting him the ball.

CB Sam Shields. He botched another kick return and this time it was recovered by Seattle. His bad hands as a returner is really clouding his otherwise solid game. I saw him get lost in coverage on at least one play, but he had an INT and made a huge hit on punt coverage. He's up in The Good section because I'm hoping this finally convinced them to take him out as a returner and he can focus on the stuff he's doing well.

LB Frank Zombo. He knocked QB Colt McCoy out of the game last week, and registered their lone sack this week. And he made some big hits in the open field and in pursuit. He looked like a starter playing alongside backups.

RB Brandon Jackson. He accounted for almost the entire yardage on the game winning TD drive. He showed some speed, however he got a lot of help from the backup offensive line, which dominated Seattle's second-team defense.

The Ehh...

QB Matt Flynn. He can hold the ball too long, and he was late on a few throws in addition to taking a couple sacks. However the backup receivers he was throwing to didn't seem to offer much assistance. The offense was able to move the ball with him under center, and during the 2nd quarter he appeared to do it against Seattle's first-team defense. He looks good, for a backup.

S Morgan Burnett and CB Brandon Underwood. I'm lumping them in the same catagory as two players who haven't impressed yet. Both show potential, but are better suited for the bench, at this point. 

Chillar. He's playing outside LB and showing zero pass rush skills. On Hasselbeck's TD pass, Chillar started over the left tackle, but was shoved inside which gave Hasselbeck the room to roll to his left and find WR Deion Branch in that corner of the end zone. Can't he go back to inside LB?

S Will Blackmon and CB Pat Lee. They weren't disastrous but they each took some bad angles in run support and pass coverage. 

The Bad

CB Jarrett Bush. Wow. I'm not sure that I adequately kept track of all the times he messed up with penalties and blown coverage. I doubt he has many fans here, but this game was so bad that it might have been his low point.

The special teams on punt returns and kick returns. Bad once again. As far as the punters go, the Packers only had to punt the ball twice, each player had one attempt, so there wasn't much to see from them.

LT Allen Barbre. He got burned on the sack which led to a fumble. He got beat on at least one more play too. Why did he get moved to left tackle this preseason?

QB Charlie Whitehurst. Considering all the players in the Packers secondary that struggled, for him to 9 of 20 for 73 yards and 1 TD/2 INT is amazingly bad. Only 3.7 yards/attempt? What do the Seahawks see in this guy? Despite the Packers many struggles on Saturday night, Whitehurst was so bad that they managed sneak away with a victory.

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What about Graham Harrell's 80 yard drive for the win?

A little love man, just a little love.

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by KWashburn on Aug 22, 2010 2:26 AM CDT reply actions  

He said he didn't watch the whole game

Probably was asleep for it like most packers fans out there. I hate timezone difference games.

by Troy J. on Aug 22, 2010 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

And the fact is,

No game during the Packers’ regular season starts at 10 PM Eastern.

We won’t have to worry about this when the schedule starts in Week One with Green Bay at Philadelphia.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mark my words...

…this is going to be a record setting offense. All sorts of team AND NFL offensive records will go down this year.

by PackFaninFL on Aug 22, 2010 5:56 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

It wouldn’t surprise me. As long as the OL stays healthy of course.

by packallday555 on Aug 22, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Love me some Zombo!

He’s got some pass rush potential and IMO, should make the team over Obiozor. Obi lacks awareness and instincts but has physical tools. Zombo may not have quite as good of physical tools, but he KNOWS how to play the game!!! Been saying he should make the 53, practice squad for sure!

Can I just say I HATE zone coverage!!! I know its only preseason, but I like press or off man MUCH better. Zone just seems like your letting the Offense do what they want! I like taking things away from the offense. Harder to create alot of turnovers sometimes in man, but …

by Strohman on Aug 22, 2010 6:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Can I just say I HATE zone coverage!!! I know its only preseason, but I like press or off man MUCH better. Zone just seems like your letting the Offense do what they want! I like taking things away from the offense. Harder to create alot of turnovers sometimes in man, but …

Well especially when the DL is creating much pressure. Hasselback had all day back there.

by packallday555 on Aug 22, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

That god awful hair would be enough for me to cut Charlie Whitehurst.

by Troy J. on Aug 22, 2010 6:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Harris
However it wasn’t actually their first-team defense since CB Charles Woodson, LB Clay Matthews, and LB Nick Barnett were held out.

Not to mention, Al Harris.

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The glass is way more than half-full.

by NorthStarr on Aug 22, 2010 9:27 AM CDT reply actions  

has been nicked up a lot this preseason

part of that is availability. since we have no depth, it makes sense to keep Chillar out there.

by gern blanston on Aug 22, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m hoping this finally convinced them to take [Shields] out as a returner and he can focus on the stuff he’s doing well.

+1

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The glass is way more than half-full.

by NorthStarr on Aug 22, 2010 9:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Bush
…but this game was so bad that it might have been his low point.

It may have just been his ticket out of town. :)

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The glass is way more than half-full.

by NorthStarr on Aug 22, 2010 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm very surprised he's still with us.

After all the times he got beat in coverage last year, why is he still with Green Bay?

I’m tired of saying “They went to Jarrett”.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

The helmet-to-shoulder hit?

Definitely. It was a devastating shot that the zebras got completely wrong.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Aug 22, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is so bad

I am tired of watching him blow coverages and commit stupid penalties. He better not make the damn team

by Yankees10 on Aug 22, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Every time I think he's reached bottom

someone throws him a shovel

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Aug 23, 2010 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Martin

don’t forget his ejection. I’d put him in the Bad list. There is NO excuse for throwing a punch.

Once again, Bishop didn’t do a heck of a lot. Zombo made more impact plays in his limited exposure. Granted we’re thin at LB, but anyone have a problem with keeping Zombo over Obi or Bishop?

Bush – 2 penalties. I just don’t get it. Doe he have incriminating pictures of somebody?

by gern blanston on Aug 22, 2010 9:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Seems Martin was channelling the guys in the Giants-Steelers game.

Two guys ejected for fighting just a few plays into the game.

And as for Bush, he’s starting to look like the second coming of Ahmad Carroll.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Zombo

I know it was against their 2nd or 3rd string but I thought Zombo looked great. I thoght he was getting consistent pressure. I’m not a huge Bishop fan but I don’t see him going anywhere besides he’s a middle. I do think he’s a upgrade over Obi, Zombo I thought he had a great bull rush and he flew all over the field. I don’t think he’d make the practice squad without someone scooping him up. I’d like to see a couple reps for him early in a preseason game.

by the yooper on Aug 22, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

My comments above.

I’m a fan of Zombo. I can’t see why you wouldn’t keep him over Obi. Give Zombo his roster spot. Zombo is the better player! Obi might be a little better athlete, but he has no instincts for the game and hasn’t seemed to learn them from last year. IMO, Zombo will be much more productive and has some upside to work with…

by Strohman on Aug 22, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see Obi as a better athlete

The strength and speed of Zombo over Obi I thought was obvious

by the yooper on Aug 22, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

geomieci

thought he really looked bad in the first half, did not watch the second half, 3 straight plays while I was watching, wiff, wiff, wiff – probably more than lang got beat all last year. buluga conversely looked like a man among boys.

and please cut Bush, just give all of his work to shields, this one is not rocket science, one of those two has had 3 or 4 years to improve and has not, the other has a huge upside

by oldresorter on Aug 22, 2010 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Bulaga

It is always a sigh of relief when it looks like you hit on your 1st round pick. Rogers should be able to sleep better at night for the rest of his career. I’m no NFL scout but it looks to me that Shields is already better than Bush and he’ll be upgrade on the coverage unit of speial teams.

by the yooper on Aug 22, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great to hear on Bulaga. I guess I’ll let myself be swayed to the let Bulaga play if he really rocks the guard job. I really want to capitalize on this season and take down the vikes in their last real chance to win it all!!!

by TrevorR on Aug 22, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Review

Offense: Looked great, we should throw early and often to get an early lead to help out the defense, I hope MM feels the same way.

Defense: So hard to judge with all the players out and playing a vanilla scheme. Very tired of seeing penalties called on our dbs that aren’t called on any other team. Terrible call on the helmet to helmet.

Special Teams: Most worried about the coverage units. One of the punters should work out, the returns will be better when Blackmon takes them all.

by Wisfan on Aug 22, 2010 11:24 AM CDT reply actions  

giacomini

i saw him get beat a lot i still dont know what they see in him

by nfcnorth21 on Aug 22, 2010 1:52 PM CDT reply actions  

2010 Packers = 10-6 record and 1st round PO loss. Again.

Offense – Prolific, maybe even record setting. Rodgers could win league MVP, IMO.
Defense – Mediocre [at best]
Special teams – Yuck

There it is…..

by victor s on Aug 22, 2010 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

The offense wasn’t even clicking early on in the season. This is the kind of offense that will be able to make up for having a not great D…though I think the D will improve and so will our record.

by TrevorR on Aug 22, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point. If our OL had been been healthy too start the year last season, things could have been different for us. I think we’re likely going to have to outscore the better teams to beat them. That might not be a problem though..

by packallday555 on Aug 23, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Laugh

I can’t help but laugh at you guys… 2 Preseason games and your already throwing in the towel on having a Defense like last year. PATHETIC!

I don’t expect it to be quite as good as last year, but it’ll be very good! We all know that they have a couple issues to sort out, but I’m sure Capers is well aware of the talent they have and how to use it!!!

I expect the D to still be a top 10 unit that gets better as the season goes on. I don’t see Pitts and AZ on the schedule so I don’t expect any 400 or 500 yd passing games vs us.

by Strohman on Aug 23, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t know that I’m throwing the towel in. I just think we’re going to struggle against some of the better offensive teams. Maybe it’s a little premature to say as we haven’t seen what Matthews and Jones will be able to do together but as of right now, I think it’s a pretty realistic view.

by packallday555 on Aug 23, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Realistic

A realistic view based on what? 2 MEANINGLESS preseason games, where its obvious Capers isn’t showing anything but the most basic of schemes and coverages? Laughable… The realistic view IMO, is that Capers hasn’t shown a thing and his D was missing 2/3 of its starters in a meaningless game. And that Capers has everything well in hand, despite what YOU think is worrisome.

Personally, I think THAT is far more realistic!!!

by Strohman on Aug 23, 2010 3:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

DUDE! Either the preseason matters or it doesn’t…you keep going back and forth to support your arguments…make up your mind.

by TrevorR on Aug 23, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Games

Preseason GAMES are meaningless! Only thing that matters is individual play… If your talking about an individual fine he play matters, but if your talking a unit as a group or the entire D, which is what people are referring to then it doesn’t!!!

Good GOD man pay attention and KEEP UP!!!

by Strohman on Aug 23, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

My views on the defense are based on individuals play. We’ve played our starting DL now both games, and both games they haven’t looked like anything special. No one is really getting any penetration in passing situations. If that continues to happen, we’re going to be in trouble. Now I’m sure getting Clay back will help but only to a certain degree. We still need guys like Jenkins and Raji to get some consistent push.

I get that we haven’t shown any of our schemes, and while I don’t doubt that our blitzes will help our pass rush, we may still struggle against teams with good Qb’s if we have to rely on them to get consistent pressure.

by packallday555 on Aug 23, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did Jolly get any penetration last year? What about Pickett? Penetration helps but sometimes thats not their responsibility in a vanilla D! Seeing pass rush from Jenkins shouldn’t be something your gripping about, since he’s shown in the past that can and does! Raji is another matter, but its only his 2nd season when DL take up to the 4th year before they become game/play changers!

If your complaining about a specific players role then you have to say so instead of making a blanket statement like “I’m worried about the D”. Mention a specific player so we can all know who your referring to.

by Strohman on Aug 23, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope, neither of them really provided any penetration at all. Too me, that was one of our biggest problems too!

Maybe it hasn’t been the DL’s responsibility to provide a pass rush but that seems doubtful to me. I mean who else is supposed to get pressure when we’re dropping seven guys back into zone/man coverage, and only rushing the three DL and an OLB?

by packallday555 on Aug 23, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

stance

So if penetration is needed then why is Capers and Torgovich? sp, asking them to line up w/ feet equal not split in a “sprinters” type stance? THe DL are asked to line up w/ their feet parallel to the LOS instead of staggered… Those techniques don’t allow them to explode out of their stance to create penetration. Engaging 2 OL doen’t lend itself to creating penetration. Thats what they are asked to do as LDE and NT for sure, not sure about Jenkins as much. Its also part of playing the run 1st and reacting to the pass. Instead of playing the run on the way to the QB!

by Strohman on Aug 23, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think a large part of it could be playing the run 1st and then the pass you like said above. That’s a good point.

As far as the techniques they’ve been using, I have no idea. Firstly, I haven’t been looking at their stances and even if I had tried to I’m not sure that I would be able to see them anyhow haha.

by packallday555 on Aug 23, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

It does change on pass downs...

Then the DL stagger their stance to explode off the ball. I think even the LB take different stances on run downs than pass downs. Different stances and different technuques.

by Strohman on Aug 23, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh yeah?

I’ll keep up as soon as you stop contradicting yourself in like every other post buddy. You are one of the most inconsistent people in here!

by TrevorR on Aug 25, 2010 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

My 2 cents

The big loser may have been Quinn Porter. He generated some early training camp buzz with a shot at the third running back and returning kicks. Last week he got his chance at kick returns and showed nothing, including catching a punt and standing there instead of getting up field. Seems that his kick return chances are gone as Porter didn’t line up for any returns last night. Porter was also in line to get considerable playing time in the second half. He showed little on his few carries before going out with an ankle injury. Tyrell Sutton looked great in training camp last season and failed to make the team. Porter has looked mediocre; I can’t imagine MM using a roster spot. MM may consider Kuhn an acceptable 3rd halfback as Grant and Jackson get 98 percent of the work anyway.

The big winner was Brandon Jackson. While Grant will remain the starter, Jackson may see more series in relief of Grant and get some chances to carry on first and second downs. Jackson certainly looks faster and shiftier than Grant. Twice last night, Grant was easily taken down on the edges by cornerbacks. Grant couldn’t elude the tackles or put a big hit on the lighter defenders. Football Outsiders quantified broken tackles among running backs for 2009 and Grant was below average. Jackson is a better receiver and pass blocker than Grant, also.

Why wasn’t Special Teams coach Slocum fired after last season?

by Packer Pete on Aug 22, 2010 3:52 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm a big fan of B Jackson - and there's a reason he was a high draft pick. [2nd round, anyways]

He has all the tools to be a feature back, IMO – but always seemed to be nicked up and a bit of a slow learner but I think this is the yr he puts it together. He reminds me of Edgar Bennett but probably more physically gifted.

I’m looking for the torch to be passed from Grant to Jackson in the next yr or two.

by victor s on Aug 22, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm convinced

that Jarrett Bush might just be the worst player in the NFL. Not even just on the Packers. The whole league. This guy doesn’t deserve a roster spot, a contract, nothing.

by vitaminx on Aug 22, 2010 4:16 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

I dont understand why the Packers still have him

by Yankees10 on Aug 22, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

They guy doesn't even deserve to be the equipment manager.

Let alone a player on our secondary.

When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.

by P-Townfan on Aug 23, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

We could use a couple more guys on the cheerleaders for helping the girls with flips, maybe he could help there?

by TrevorR on Aug 23, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Last game I was at...

there were college cheerleaders there…not the case now? Just guessing that you haven’t been to a game in a while since you are in AZ…

by TrevorR on Aug 25, 2010 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

The only thing anyone should be concerned about is special teams

theres talent everywhere else and it will settle in place

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by blackoutsox on Aug 22, 2010 11:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Brandon Jackson has usually always been good at getting good running plays.

Good thing the Seahawks didn’t know that.

When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.

by P-Townfan on Aug 23, 2010 9:07 AM CDT reply actions  

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