Packers Preseason Recap: Packers Crush Colts, 59 to 24
Even if the wins are meaningless in the preseason, at least the Green Bay Packers are doing their best to entertain by scoring 59 points.
The first order of business is to keep everyone healthy. The Colts had the serious injuries, but the Packers had a couple of their own. Mike McCarthy said CB Brandon Underwood, LB Desmond Bishop, DE Jarius Wynn, and RB Quinn Porter were all hurt and none of them returned to the game. The severity of their injuries is unclear.
The yardage in the game was fairly close, the Colts had 389 yards to the Packers 430, but the hidden yards swung hugely in the Packers favor. The Colts surrendered 116 penalty yards to the Packers 25, and the Packers special teams scored two touchdowns. As usual in the preseason, it's really not how the team played but how individual players performed.
QB Aaron Rodgers. Ho-hum. He completed over 70% of his attempts with no turnovers and no sacks. His three TD passes went to three different receivers. And Jon Gruden spent the entire first-half swooning over him from the press box. The only surprise for me was that they didn't give QB Matt Flynn a little more playing time with the first-team offense, but based on Flynn's solid second half performance it appears he's just fine. Even 3rd string QB Graham Harrell looked good in his brief appearance.
Special teams unit. I'm lumping them into one group, and it was a mixed bag. While FB Korey Hall recovered a botched fair catch for a TD, and undrafted free agent WR Jason Chery returned a punt for a TD, the kick coverage sometimes looked good, usually led by S Derrick Martin, and sometimes looked bad when allowing returns of 34 and 58 yards. P Tim Masthay only had one punt, but it had better hang time then either of the punts by P Chris Bryan, which has seemed to have been the case all preseason.
LB Frank Zombo. With both LB Clay Matthews and LB Brad Jones out, and LB Brandon Chillar moved back inside, he got a lot of playing time with the first team and he delivered. He led the team in tackles while recording one sack and forcing a fumble. That alone is a very rare event. QB Peyton Manning hasn't lost a regular season fumble since 2007, and was only sacked 10 times in 2009. In addition, he collapsed the pocket on a couple occasions and is a sound tackler. It's surprising how good he is in pass coverage since he's making the transition from college defensive end. His amazing preseason continues. The only question isn't whether he makes the team, but whether injuries open the door for him to start in week 1.
CB Sam Shields. Now that he's been removed from kick return duties, I no longer have to discuss another drop on special teams (well, at least not from him). With the injury to Underwood, Shields got a long look with the first-team defense. As in his previous attempts to keep up with the Seahawks starting receivers, he looked out of position against the Colts first-team offense. But he recorded another INT against their backups, so the potential on defense is there. He's also looked good on special teams when covering kicks, no need to worry about bad hands then. I'd be surprised if he didn't make the team, but he's not a lock since he's no longer an option as a kick returner.
SS Morgan Burnett. He started off the game by over pursuing which gave RB Joseph Addai a huge area in which to cut-back to on the opening 49 yard run. From that point, he looked great in pass coverage, recording two pass defenses and one INT against Manning. He still isn't good enough with angles and tackles, especially since he's the last line of defense.
CB Pat Lee and LB A.J. Hawk. Their disappointing preseason continues as they are pushed down the depth chart (Lee behind Shields and Hawk behind Chillar) and neither did much with the opportunity they did receive.
TE Andrew Quarless. He showed off full extension as he reached back to grab a TD reception. Over the summer, it was often reported that he dropped a few passes during practice, but he's been solid in the preseason. He's potentially a dangerous receiver, and I can't imagine they'll let him go.
WR James Jones. Speaking of receivers, he's clearly established himself ahead of WR Jordy Nelson and he deserves it. This preseason, he's looked like the guy who showed so much promise in 2007, instead of the player who struggled with injuries in 2008 and for most of 2009.
TE Tom Crabtree. He's done nothing to hurt himself this preseason, but might be caught in a roster crunch. He showed off his blocking skills by dominating Colts rookie 1st round draft choice DE Jerry Hughes on consecutive running plays in the fourth quarter.
LT Marshall Newhouse. With both OL Allen Barbre and LT Bryan Bulaga sitting this game out, Newhouse got an even longer look at left tackle. While he struggled in the first preseason game, he's been solid since then. With Barbre and RT Breno Giacomini looking unimpressive to say the least, it would be a shock if Newhouse lost a roster spot to either of them.
Once again, I didn't mention everyone who made a good play or scored a TD. This was just one of those games where nearly everything went right. The Packers did allow three TD drives: the first two were nicely orchestrated by Manning and assisted by some poor tackling and confusion by the rookie Burnett on the opening drive, while some poor tackling doomed the third one. And the special teams struggled on coverage at times (as I mentioned above). Both RB Brandon Jackson and RB Ryan Grant had fumbles, along with S Will Blackmon on a punt return. But that was about it. As the score indicated, the good plays really outweighed the bad ones on Thursday night.
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Zombo
I like the way he played last night and looked good. I do hope he makes the team.
Can't Wait
to see him play opposite of clay matthews it will be nice to see a solid pass rush from both sides of the ball and have chillar/bishop and barnett rockin from the inside. This will be a good season!!
DREB
by Packer-fan-atic77 on Aug 27, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
haha yeah it is a pretty good name. Man he seemed to come out of nowhere, I don’t think anyone in here said a word about him until camp started.
This is after the fact, so you’re under no obligation to believe me, but I will say that I noticed him immediately just for his cool name. I even e-mailed a friend about it. “We picked up a guy named Frank Zombo… how sweet is that!” haha
by Curly Lambeau on Aug 27, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
an even better name...
I mentioned that e-mail exchange I had with a friend about Zombo… He’s a Patriots fan, and I mentioned Zombo in reply to him telling me about a rookie with a funny name that the Pats had drafted. Funnily enough, I just saw an SI article where they mention him.
His name is Zoltan Mesko. How cool is that name. He’s a punter they drafted in the 5th round, I guess. And, if anything could be even cooler than his actual name, the article mentions that, when he was in college, he was nick-named “The Space Emperor From Space.” HAHAHAH!!!
by Curly Lambeau on Aug 27, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
He's the wrong age to have started or inspired
www.zombo.com which has remained unchanged for around a decade. I encourage any visitor to turn up their speakers and enjoy.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
That was awesome!
I was in a trance after lunch.
Even though it's preseason
A win like that makes you feel good about the Pack. Later in the 1st half both teams defenses didn’t look quite so vanilla. I think we may have 2 potential future standouts that were UDFA in Shields and Zombo, Zombo reminds me of Matthews because of the high energy( Energizer bunny just keeps going, going)’. Give TT alot of credit for both these players. Zombo looks better than Jones to me right now, well see what happens there.
Last night also showed why the Packers love this Burnett kid. He has range and instinct, he showed both last night. He also showed he needs more playing time with some communicaton issues but that was the Colts and they screw up the most veteran players with that fast break offense. If Bigby doesn’t get back for 6 games I think the experience Burnett gains will enable him to keep that job.
Really liked our offenive line play last night run and pass. With all the noise and the way we were audibling and changing things up at the line I was thrilled to see no penalties on them while drawing Indy into several offsides or encroachment penalties.
Damn wish we could move right into the season from here.
Zombo
I had the same sentiments as you in regards to Zombo. It’s been so long since I saw Jones do much of anything that I’d be inclined to give the nod to Zombo. Hard to believe we’re talking about a rookie UDFA potentially being an opening day starter. Good for him. He’s earned it.
I’m still scratching my head about Lee and Underwood. They’ve practically disappeared. I don’t know what to think of Tramon, either. Granted it’s Reggie Wayne and he’s tremendous, but he seemed to have his way with him. If we have to remove Charles from the multi dimensional aspects of his game to simply play coverage, that will hurt the game plan tremendously.
by gern blanston on Aug 27, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Tramon
Yah haven’t been real impressed with Tramon over the past couple of years, I know he’s young and is gonna make some mistakes but the mistakes he does make are always costly ones, it would seem that after playing almost of all last season he would have a bit more wisdom out there. I guess we will just have to see, I am just not all that sold on him, he is really gonna have to step it up imo if he wants to keep on the roster.
DREB
by Packer-fan-atic77 on Aug 27, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
At least Tramon's a player, if you know what I mean
So many guys look lost out there. At least Tramon is always “up to something.” He’s playing the game as opposed to just wandering around. So, that’s why I’m personally fine with him for now. Good CBs are hard to find.
It’d be nice to upgrade there, though, I’ll agree with you on that. We’ll see about Tramon. He’s got this year, and he’ll either get better or he won’t. But, in the meantime, he’s… I don’t know how to express it… he’s a guy who reads & reacts instead of thinking like a lot of guys do.
by Curly Lambeau on Aug 27, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s clear he isn’t ready to cover elite receivers and maybe not even second tier ones consistently but it’s also clear he has the ability too. Keep in mind this is only his 4th season in the league too. I think the chances of him improving this season are pretty good.
by packallday555 on Aug 27, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Bowen
The link shows it wasn’t a lack of ability but a simple break in technique. Something he can correct rather quickly. Bowen thinks he a player!!!
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Post-game-notes-ColtsPackers.html
I really agree. I think he just gets a little distracted at times. When he did get beat by Wayne, it seemed like he just tried to look back at Manning too much, which also resulted in Wayne getting a little too far behind him. Too me he is probably our most athletic corner back in terms of just pure athletic ability.
by packallday555 on Aug 27, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
hard to believe
he was an undrafted free agent that was cut by the Texans. I think he’s a player and still has plenty of up side. Imagine going from struggling to make a roster and then making $3m a year 3 years later. Not a bad pay day!
by gern blanston on Aug 27, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You gotta root for a guy named Zombo.
May be best football name – ever.
Statistics: A bunch of numbers looking around for an argument. G. Burgy, Rockville, MD
by heybatterbatter on Aug 27, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I always liked
Jeff Quick – especially for a receiver.
Angerer is pretty darn good for a LB, too.
by gern blanston on Aug 27, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 27, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
How about
Bronco Nagurski………….Dick Butkus
by bigbill992001 on Aug 27, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Nagurski was a poser...
Ray Nitschke, now THAT was a player.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
Manning drops back to pass, Comedic.Sans and Wilfork come flying in and SACK him for a loss of twelve on 3rd and goal!
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 27, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
What's more
Hard to believe we’re talking about a rookie UDFA potentially being an opening day starter.
on a serious Super Bowl contender, yet.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Pretty soon you may be able to
move right into the season from here
Burnett
He really showed some range last night. One play stands out in my head where he came across the field to blow up a Manning bomb. I finally feel like he’s showing it might be clicking.
Who’s fault was that first touchdown? I saw collins come running across the field at the end, but clearly it was a blown assignment by someone!
Amazing that two of our most impressive rookies went undrafted. That is UNHEARD OF!
replays
showed Collins was facing towards Burnett and trying to communicate something when Manning snapped the ball. I don’t know that I would fault Collins, but give credit to Manning for getting the ball snapped when Collins was busy making adjustments. Something that the Packers will have to be ready for if they face again. I’m sure Capers will have plenty of teaching material off that alone!
I am at loss for words...
You may think i’m engaging in hyperbole, but I have not seen an offense that moves the ball so effortlessly, like such a well-oiled machine, since those great 49ers offenses of the 80s. Even during Favre’s best years, I was never so confident. Rodgers looks like maestro out there conducting an orchestra. We don’t make mistakes, the communication between the players is incredible (Rodgers just looks at Driver or Jones and they know where to go!)
Guys, I really think we have become the Borg.! A highly integrated, unstoppable single organism! Rodgers is our Locutus!
You may think i’m engaging in hyperbole, but I have not seen an offense that moves the ball so effortlessly, like such a well-oiled machine, since those great 49ers offenses of the 80s
You mean the Colts or the Packers?
Anyway, I think the late 90’s/early 00’s Rams and Mid 00’s Pats would like a word with you
When?
In the early 60s, when they had trouble winning? Yep, sounds right.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 27, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
OK I will give you the Pats...
and maybe the rams…juussssst maybe.
by PackFaninFL on Aug 27, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
The Greatest Show on Turf
It wasn’t just a cleaver name
easy there...
I hear you, but we looked every bit as good last preseason.
by Curly Lambeau on Aug 27, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I will say holy cow!!!!
You guys manhandled the Colts!!! And made Manning look not so great! Rodgers is an Elite QB where you give him just a little protection, he will rip defenses apart.
Just imagine if the Saints and Pack played against each other with both offenses with their A game! It would be a combined 100 point scoring game!
You're right Trevor
It’s a prediction this year for sure! But if it’s at lambeau in January in ice cold weather, I think we would be in trouble. It will be a tough season.
I’m reminded of the Wayne’s World quote when Wayne’s psycho ex-girlfriend gets him a gun rack for their “anniversary”: "A gun rack?? …sh’yah! I do not even own “AH” gun, much less “many” guns, which would necessitate a rack."
I think the Pack needs to get AH win that counts before we start selling tickets to the NFC Championship game at Lambeau.
by Curly Lambeau on Aug 27, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's very very cold in January at Lambeau!
I’ll never forget the Giants Championship game at Lambeau! Tom Coughlin’s face was bright red.
Yep, January on the frozen tundra is the time to have a young team (and a young QB!) who can handle the pain. Anybody who’s played football in that kind of weather knows that even the simplest things are a struggle, every hit hurts ten times worse, and it’s just awful. You’ve gotta’ be young (and dumb) enough to not think about it till it’s over.
by Curly Lambeau on Aug 27, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
That game was brutal!!
I tailgated and passed on the $700 scalpers tickets and I was weak and a pansy and spent the rest of the game at the Stadium View bar down the road.
Experience and Patience
I agree that we need to get “Ah Win” before we look at NFC Champ. I also think that Experience, Experience, Experience is the key. Rarely do you see a young team with no post season experience win in the playoffs and now that we have a bit of that under our belt I think we can look for a NFC Champ. in the near future with a SB to boot. We just need to be patient!!
DREB
by Packer-fan-atic77 on Aug 27, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry to hear that.
I only got 2 myself (not enough for a rack), but I talked to a guy today who estimated he had $50,000 worth of guns. Man, I wish….
There’s a “cuz you’re mental” reply in there somewhere, but I can’t quite get it to fit. I agree with you, though. The world came crashing down pretty quick last year after preseason, too. The words “your starting right tackle is Allen Barbre” still make me cringe.
Next we have to get Jordy Nelson doing the “Foxy Lady” dance.
by gern blanston on Aug 27, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
The big run
Wanted to weigh in on the 50 yarder Addai had on the first snap to say that I wasn’t bothered too much by it. That was an amazing run. He showed unbelievable vision and patience. There was, like, three times in the first five yards where he looked around and surveyed his options. “Nope, the primary hole’s blocked… nope, pusuit’s cutting off the cut-back lane… nope, nothing to the right….” and then he actually stopped for split second before the slimmest of slim gaps came open, and then he took it and was gone. It was not the best of tackling, but… It’s one of those things where, once in a while those plays just happen and there’s no point in getting worried enough to guard against it in the future. Them’s the breaks.
I was more annoyed by the complete lack of coverage on the TD that Manning threw on the next play. Was that Tramon who let the receiver go? Whoever it was, they made Collings look bad, and it wasn’t his fault at all.
From the post...
“The only question isn’t whether he makes the team, but whether injuries open the door for him to start in week 1.”
Zombo has already made more plays than Jones did all last year against quality opponents! He looked far better vs the Colts than anything Jones did last year. I don’t see any reason for him to need an injury to open the door! IMO, Zombo just smashed the door and took the starting job! 34 OLB is about making plays and Zombo is doing that! Jones never did.
He’s a better pass rusher, better run defender and looked solid in coverage! Starting Zombo should at this point be almost a no-brainer… At least IMO!!!
this
I loved how jones developed last year, but at this point, we now know we have three very good olbs
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by blackoutsox on Aug 27, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Ease up on the pedal...
… we’ve got one very good OLB, one guy who might be good enough to win with (Jones) and one guy who’s made a couple of plays when they don’t count (Zombo).
It’s hard not to get excited after last night, but it was a pre season game and we gave up 17 pts in a half.
Just take it easy. You get too fired up now and you’re just going to end up with a broken heart.
BCB free since 8/24/10 and happier for it.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 27, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
never
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Dont start chewing the juicy fruit just yet
I will agree that a Saints Packers game in the dome would be a beutifull thing to see.
by cscmember on Aug 27, 2010 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That was a good showing for us last night. The game had a regular season type game feel to it, and after initially struggling early on defense, it looked like we settled down on defense and played pretty well.
How about Zombo too!? The guy looks like a good player. He seems to have good strength, and pretty good pass rush moves. I think he had already solidified his spot on the roster after the Seattle game. The way he played last night will probably earn him some reps during the regular season, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw him take advantage of those as well.
James Jones looked great too. He’s a crisp route runner, and is so good after the catch. He looked like he was back in 2007 form, and that excites me. With he and Nelson, Rodgers has five good-great targets to throw too.
After Zombo, I think the other guys who most impressed me were Neal and Burnett. Neal got knocked back on that first long Addai run but then settled down and played very well. He held up well against the run, and got penetration on some passing plays. He looks like he could be a good rotational guy for us. Burnett looked like the playmaker I think we had all hoped he’d be. Obviously his interception was impressive but what got me more excited was when he broke up a deep pass attempt by Manning.
Lastly, the OL looked pretty good too. I know they didn’t allow any sacks last year either but we didn’t face the best defensive end tandem in the league last preseason either. If we can give Rodgers time this season it isn’t going to be pretty for teams. We just have too many weapons on offense.
Burnett
Have to say I’m impressed w/ Burnett. He seems to be picking up thing pretty well! Capers and Perry must be working overtime w/ him to get him ready for the opener! Good read on the INT he got. Moved off his man when he saw Manning throwing and stepped in front of the WR. Did really well on the deep ball, kept his depth such that he was able to get back and make a play on the ball. Thats a big thing for him… He has to keep his depth and not get caught moving up on what might be underneath. That and tackling were his bugaboos when we drafted him. As long as he keeps his depth and works on his tackling he’ll be fine!
I was apprehensive about him being a rookie safety, but he’s giving me hope he’ll play well and Hopefully he can make the adjustments/calls when needed!
Angles
Not sure if you mean by tackling you’re also including the angles he takes to get there. On the long run, it looked like he over pursued and allowed the cut back. Granted, it wasn’t all on him, but he could have stopped it for a much smaller gain.
by gern blanston on Aug 27, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
All inclusive.
Just getting to the guy and getting him on the ground! It was a weakness coming out of college. I didn’t say that was fixed, but that was a weakness coming out… He’s still got pleny of work to do before the opener! But I’m more encouraged than I was a week or 2 ago.
seem to recall
(perhaps incorrectly) that Sharper and Collins had some of the same issues when they first started out. It’s definitely correctable as they adjust to the speed of the game.
by gern blanston on Aug 27, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
concern
Thats where my concern about starting a rookie originated… Its not just our safeties… Almost all rookie safeties struggle out of the gate. Rookie years for safeties are usually difficult. At least Capers and Perry have known since the start of camp that Bigby probably wouldn’t be ready for the opener. So the increased the learning curve for Burnett to get him ready. Your right though both Collins and Sharper struggled as rookies!
Even that’s something that should come though as he gets more used to the speed of the game in the NFL. I’m really excited about this kid.
by packallday555 on Aug 27, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Yeah, as long as he keeps his depth he should be able to make some plays on the ball. He has really good range.
by packallday555 on Aug 27, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Was a great game.
I watched until it was 52-24.
I missed the beginning of the game because of a power outage that hit near my apartment. When I checked the area where it happened yesterday (downed tree on power lines), I couldn’t see anything.
Maybe the pile had already been cleared.
I wonder what they’re thinking of us at Stampede Blue right now. Probably best not to mess with Sasquatch, though.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 27, 2010 3:11 PM CDT reply actions
Zombo
Remember last year. What was that safety’s name? Anthony Smith? All over the field, making plays and getting picks. Everybody was all hot on him. What happens? Cut! We open the season with Aaron Rouse as the back-up safety.
Something tells me, come the regular season Zombo and Shields are gone and we’ll be watching Hawk, Lee, Bush, Poppinga and the rest of TT’s favs.
No way!!!
Smith was released cuz he took chances outside his responsibilities! He gambled far too much and got out of position. He made some plays too, but the coaches didn’t trust him to play his responsibilities. That and he didn’t play on ANY ST.
Zombo and Shields are both contrubuting on ST and making plays w/in their responsibilities w/o compromising the Defensive integrity!
No way
Both have shown way too much on both special teams and defense.
by packallday555 on Aug 27, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Jones to Rams?
I heard James Jones interviewed on NFL radio. With the injury to Avery, they asked him if he’d like to be traded to where he’d be a starter. He said yes, and no.
While I don’t see us depleting the depth at WR, it would be interesting to see what the Rams would give up for him. No one has really talked about trading Jones or Nelson.
Tough
Trading either of them would be a tough call… I would prefer not too… BUT if we got a significant upgrade at another position I would listen to it… If I were Thompson I would want Long… He played 34 OLB in college and was dominant, but playing DE in their 43 he has struggled some. Even w/ the way Zombo looks, Long would be a big upgrade at our weakest position!
I thought Long played 3-4 DE in the 3-4 at Virginia?
And he was asked to reduce his weight. His ability to rush the passer out of that scheme as a DE is what made him such a “prized” commodity out of college. However, it hasn’t quite translated well into the NFL. Not really interested in him at this point anyhow. If St. Louis has good CB’s to offer, I’d be up for it, but I don’t think they can offer that at this point, can they?
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
OLB
No he was the OLB that why his pass rushing skills were pretty good at UVA. Him and Stintum were the OLB together for a year or 2. He wouldn’t have been a pass rusher as a DE. Groh is the HC at UVA and he runs a very NFL type 34 D.. Put him back at OLB and he would be very good IMO!
Chris Long was a DE at the University of Virginia
http://stlrams.com/blogs/st-louis-rams-nfl/pages/Chris-Long-72-Defensive-End-.aspx
He may of stood up on some plays, but I this was a big reason why he was sought to be a standout DE, whether in the 4-3 or 3-4 due to his ability to sack the QB as a 3-4 DE, which is not easy to find.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
My bad...
I guess I stand corrected… Could have sworn he was an OLB at UVa. Curious he’s had trouble rushing the QB as a 43 DE though… He should be feeling free and rushing w/ abandon. From what I’ve heard he is really struggling as a 43 DE. I do remember that noone considered him a 34 DE but a 34 OLB or 43 DE in the NFL. You would think he would be doing alot better. He was in the 260’s coming out and ran a 4.6+ 40. So the athleticism is there to be a good pass rusher!
Top 5 Overall Pick
Long was projected as a Top 5 pick because of his intangibles. Scouts felt that he had the ability to gain more weight and stay in his position as a 3-4 DE, lose a little weight and be a 4-3 DE, or possibly even be a 3-4 OLB if he loses weight.
The only thing with Long is nobody viewed him as a RE in the 4-3. It was strictly him being a LE, which as you know is considered the strongside. I think that is one of the things that goes overlooked for him as he doesn’t rack up stats like Mario Williams, who plays both sides of the line. It’s a lot more difficult to stand out as a LE compared to being a RE. With that said though, he has struggled and has not lived up to expectations. Reasons are unknown for most people, but an argument can be made that the Rams just don’t have a lot of talent on their roster. Therefore, Long struggles with the rest of them.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Another consensus pick
Kinda reminds me of AJ Hawk everyone called AJ the safe pick and you can’t go wrong. I remember the same things being said about Long.
I went back and read his bio and it didn’t say anything about being a 34 DE. It was all about 34 OLB or 43 DE. He has the perfect size to be a 43 DE at about 270 and had really good measurables. His best comparison on the bio is Aaron Kampman. Said he lacked explosiveness to threaten the edge immediately so was probably best as a 43 DE. Just like Kampman.
Given the fact he wasn’t a 34 OLB at UVA I wouldn’t make the trade anymore.
Hell I would send both Jones' for Long!
We would have Matthews, Long and Zombo as a backup. They would get a starting WR!
I hope not. I really like Jones as a replacement for Driver, and as long as he plays like he did last night he’ll be replacing Driver sooner rather then later.
by packallday555 on Aug 27, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't like the idea as well
Considering we need CB’s, and I don’t think St. Louis can give us any. Sure we could get a high draft pick, but we are making a run for a Superbowl this year, aren’t we?
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
People, people, people
Don’t you think it’s a little early to talk SB? Granted, yesterday was a hellofa game but everything worked. That’s not gonna happen once the season starts. Let’s wait til the bye wk. to talk SB.
by bigbill992001 on Aug 27, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the ultimate prize, isn't it?
And if you’re chasing gold, are you supposed to keep your best players on the field? It may be premature, but our team has a legit chance this year and we outta be making a run for it.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
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by blackoutsox on Aug 27, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
If you don't play to go to the Super Bowl,
What are you playing for?
I'd like to open a thread on Sam Shields as our CB
We haven’t talked much about his ability to play CB, other than him grabbing some interceptions. While Brandon was quick to point out his struggles in being out of position, I’d like to argue against him playing poorly. While I don’t see him as an elite CB by any means or strong in coverage, his speed has really allowed him to make up for any mistakes in coverage. Everytime the opposing QB throws deep on him, he’s in perfect position to defend it, thankfully due to his blessed speed.
I’m very much impressed with his rapid development at the CB position. I don’t want to go into his interceptions too much, but instead I just notice how he is in position quite often and is in fact, rarely picked on. Brandon mentioned he was picked on often against Seattle. Was he? I only watched the game once, but I thought it was Underwood, Lee, and Williams that was picked on most of the game. It’s a scary thought because it’s early, but could Shields possibly be better than Williams? He is not targeted often, and that clearly means he is covering his man. He is getting interceptions when targeted. He is not getting beat deep, nor do I expect that to happen. I do feel he’ll get beat in those quick passing plays, but not deep. I think having him lining up opposite Woodson allows our Safeties to play closer to the line, and perhaps have more opportunities to get sacks, force more interceptions, and allow the Safeties to make more big hits. I wanted to open this thread to open up the idea. It’s a little premature, but he is truly on my radar not just as a gunner, but as a CB!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I think I am starting to like him for nickle until Al gets back and then at dime. The way I see it no matter who starts (at various positions on the d) they are going to occasionally look bad and give up lots of yards and points in some games. What can get us over the hump against top qbs will be getting turnovers and I think Shields will produce more of them than Underwood or Lee and won’t get beat significantly more.
Shields
He has top CB kinda skills… Athletically he’s in the upper echelon. He’s just very raw and inexperienced as a CB having played only one year at the U… I really think he could be better than Williams in the long run. He already has an understanding and a feel for the route tree of the WR, having played it. All he needs is to refine his backpedal and other techniques and Shields will standout! While he had average to below hands as a WR, he does have the ball skills to be a top CB. His break on the ball is tremendous and his hands as a CB will be fine. I think the Packers got a starter in 2 years! I just wish he was a little bigger. Little short of 5’11 185… Barely tall enough and could stand to gain 5-10 lbs if it doesn’t cost him any speed or explosiveness!!! Probably needs to work on being a good physical tackler too…
you know what they say
Defensive guys are failed offensive guys that can’t catch. Shields seems to illustrate that point quite well.
as my volleyball coach used to say “you can’t teach tall”
by gern blanston on Aug 27, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Defensive MVP
I’d like to be the first to nominate Aaron Rodgers as this years most valuable DEFENSIVE player. He’s gonna keep the enemy on the bench.
VERY GOOD PLACE
Given that we haven’t even seen the real defense yet, Packer fans should be feeling pretty good. First, the offensive line issues are behind us. Both first and second string have looked good. The offense is for real and will be a huge problem for every defensive coordinator in the NFL. Burnett has shown he can play safety. Neal has shown he’ll be good in a rotation. Zombo and Shields are diamonds in the rough.
One never knows what the season will give or take via injuries and strange bounces, but I can’t see another team in the league any stronger then the Packers. The Cowboys and Vikings have much bigger problems facing them. That leaves only the Saints as comparable to the Packers.
consistency will be key
and getting the young guys up to speed in a hurry. We’ve seen flashes. They just need to put it together consistently week in and week out. No question that the roster is deep and talented.
That first drive by the Colts left me stunned. I had flashes of AZ and Pitt in my head. I think it’s a bit premature to suggest our problems on D have all been solved, however. It doesn’t look much easier than what the Colts did to us. On the TD pass, you could easily imagine Collins saying “we need a do-over because we weren’t ready”
Still, as has been pointed out (by you) that the best defense is a good offense. I just hope we’re not like Air Coryell of the mid 80’s where the games boil down to who has the ball last because we can’t stop anyone.
by gern blanston on Aug 27, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
shoot'em up
There are going to be some of those games. But i like our odds in those matches. If the defense can approach last years team in terms of turnovers, we’ll be just fine. We’re not going to have anything close to a shutdown defense, just lets keep away from ’08 wherein a score for the opposition was automatic in the forth quarter.
can I just say...
Looks like not only did TT have a nice draft, but he invited quite a nice crop of street free agents into camp this year… and how about the pedigree of the three QB’s on this roster… Aaron Rodgers, should have been the number 1 pick, stolen at 24… Flynn, won NC title, Harrell NCAA TD leader and #2 in yds… looks like the Green Bay Quarterback factory is back in production.
Rodgers 2 minute drill at the end of the half was a thing of beauty…
by The Delivery Guy on Aug 28, 2010 10:53 AM CDT reply actions
I feel after this season know one will question A-Rod as top 5. Flynn I feel will start somewhere someday. But I have a lot of questions if Harrell will stick around. I know he looked good in the last game but I can’t remember the throws he had to make. When I’ve seen him throw before that he didn’t seem to have the arm strength.
Harrell vs. Flynn
Lets keep in mind that Flynn also lacks arm strength. Both have weak arms. The difference is Flynn has more experience with this offense, Harrell has a perfect spiral with his pass, which could make him a better QB in the wind and cold.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Yeah.
Don’t get me wrong; I like Flynn (arm strength or not, I just think he’s a winner).
Just pointin’ out a fact about Harrell.
Both looked good Thursday night, and Flynn has had a couple of semesters [sic] of Coach Mac’s famed ‘institution’.
As I’ve said in the past, we could be on the verge of having a replication of Wolf/Holgren’s situation with, first Brunnell and Detmer, and then Hasselbeck, Brooks, etc. sitting behind Bertt.
The Mike McCarthy quarterback tree.
Rodgers has ripened and been plucked; now, Flynn is riper than Harrell, but both are coming along nicely.
More will likely follow.
Eat your hearts out, Bares fans. lol.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
+1
Totally agree… Harrell goes on PS. If he get claimed by someone, its not a big deal to me. I think they might be actively looking to see if someone w/ more ability is released. Harrell just doesn’t do anything for me… If he sticks and goes thru McCarthy’s QB school, we’ll see what he has. But any QB that goes thru his school usually improves quite a bit in a couple years. So far, no other QB’s than Rodgers and Flynn have been good enough to make it thru 2 semesters.
I read that...
Flynn has improved his arm strength as a result of better technique from the qb school and time in the weight room. I suspect that the same will hold true of Harrell if he makes it that long.
I don’t think Flynn’s got an outstanding arm by any stretch, but I don’t see it as being a terrible liability anymore, either. its just average.
I also read that Harrell’s arm strength improved last year in Canada due to the wider field.
by gern blanston on Aug 30, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Read that Harrells arm strength too...
I’m still unimpressed by him, though he played a little better vs Indy I guess. I like Flynn alot cuz he won a Natl. Championship at LSU. He showed alot of moxie, that I have not see from Harrell to date. Flynn also played in more of a pro style offense so you had a much better idea of it translating to the NFL. Harrell played in the spread, and w/ the wide open field, off coverage makes all the throws MUCH easier!
Awesome game, everyone!
The Packers look every bit as dominant as I hope they’ll be. We’ll see soon!

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