Saturday Night Open Thread: Seahawks at Vikings, Cardinals at Bears
by Brandon on Aug 28, 2010 7:50 PM CDT
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PrintI'm a little late to post this tonight, but if anyone is watching either the Vikings or Bears, this is an open thread for both games.
So far the Vikings offense hasn't done any damage except grandpa Favre threw a pick six interception. The Bears game is just getting underway, but I'd expect their defense will look good tonight because QB Derek Anderson and QB Matt Leinart make a lot of defenses look pretty good.
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Watching the Vikings....
… their secondary is still their weak spot. Deion Branch has broke free deep a couple of times now. Vikes should be up, but it’s 7-7 with the Hawks in FG range primarily because the Vikes keeps shooting themselves in the foot: two turnovers (one tipped pick returned for a TD), and a turnover on downs after a failed 4th and goal from the Seahawks 2 yard line. Minny’s o-line is struggling a bit getting any push. Pass protection has just been ok.
Camarillo’s going to be dangerous out of the slot. If he has to start I’m not that worried about him, but if Harvin’s healthy Camarillo’s their #3 and he’s going to beat most nickel backs. Just too smart not to and he catches everything.
10-7 now.
Branch just got driven off on a cart after making it to the sidelines on his own power. No idea how serious it is.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 8:03 PM CDT reply actions
Gerhart's in now.
I’d forgotten how upright he runs. He’ll lower the shoulder but looks awkward getting low if he starts out with his head up. Gotthe ball on a 4th and 1, hit the pile almost standing straight up, still had the strength to come out of the pile with a 4 yard gain. Runs hard, but he’s going take a lot of hits in the knees. Fumbled on his 3rd carry, but was ruled down. I predict Chilly will fall in the love with the kid and rest AP more than he should.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 8:13 PM CDT reply actions
I sure hope so. He just doesn’t impress me that much. Seems like he needs some space to get going, and I don’t think he’s going to be getting it from that offensive line.
by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Walker still looks the part, but I haven't seen him separate at all.
They’ve thrown a couple of jump balls his way and it’s clear they’re going to try to use his height in the redzone, but no catches yet that I’ve seen. Favre forced the ball to Walker twice inside the 20, one of them nearly getting picked off. Looked like Walker might have pulled up on a go route only to see Favre come his way and an overthrow result.
10-10 now.
BTW, I missed the first turnover, but saw it now in a highlight. Favre got dumped i the backfield and fumbled the ball. So the pressure on Favre might have been better early than later.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 8:21 PM CDT reply actions
Ray Edwards looks a little faster than last year, dammit.
Either that or Seattle’s right tackle has lead in his shorts.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 8:22 PM CDT reply actions
Flipped over to Lawrence of Arabia on TCM for the half...
.. “NO PRISONERS! NO PRISONERS! NO PRISONERS!”
(Yeah, my family’s out of town and I’ve got no life tonight.)
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 8:32 PM CDT reply actions
Vikings open the second half with 2 deep balls in the first 6 plays.
Both were overthrown. The first to Berrian, second to Camarillo. The one Camarillo was 10 yards long and got picked off by Trufant.
Berrian can run, but he’s going to get doubled any time Harvin’s not on the field. I’m not sure Camarillo has the speed to get open deep. Great possession guy though.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 8:43 PM CDT reply actions
3 turnovers and 1 loss of possession on downs for the Vikings.
TOP is 2-1 in favor of the Vikings, but it’s 10-10.
Mike Williams just went 50yds on a crossing route, 20 of it YAC. God he’s huge compared to the DB’s.
Late hit by Edwards on Hasslebeck gives the Hawks another 15yds.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 8:46 PM CDT reply actions
Seahawks inexplicably use all 3 of their second half timeouts in a timespan of 3 minutes.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 8:49 PM CDT reply actions
Check that, they've got 1 left.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
13-10 seahawks.
Hasslebeck and Carlson miscommunicate (again) on a route and the Hawks settle for 3.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 8:51 PM CDT reply actions
I was watching the Cubs and flipping between the Bears
The Bears are awful. AWE-FUL. I would not be surprised if they finish last in the North this year.
How did Anderson look for the Cards?
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Like a good backup
I blame the enhancement on the 15 yard cushions the Bears D was giving everyone
And on TCM...
… Akuba just fell to the Arab revolt. Take that, Ottoman Empire.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 8:56 PM CDT reply actions
Who is QBing for Minny tonight
Obviously Favre, who is in relief?
They went 3 and out just now and I missed it.
I’ll check on the next possession.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Favre took the first series in the 3rd quarter and went 3 and out.
On their second possession of the 3rd quarter it was apparently Favre again (according to the play by play for Seattle), and they again went 3 and out. Now it’s TJax.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Good question.
I don’t think they’re going to expose Webb in an effort to get him to the practice squad.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Harvin just got lit up over the middle.
Popped up before the trainers could get to him.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 8:58 PM CDT reply actions
I'm also getting the Cowboys/Houston game
Houston has been looking surprisingly effective, Dallas not so much. Which also explains why it’s 20-0 Houston.
Vikes get a 1st down on a scramble by Jackson...
… Jackson then gets hit on consecutive plays and they punt on 4th and 18.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:08 PM CDT reply actions
First down Seahawks...
… on a pass from Whitehurst to Tate.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:09 PM CDT reply actions
Briggs leaves game with a right foot injury
Doesn’t seem too serious, he walked out of the stadium at half
Ryan (remember him) just hit his second 55+yd punt of the night.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:12 PM CDT reply actions
Ha
Just flipped back to Dallas/Houston, they’re punting with 2:06 left in the 3rd… and no time outs. Not that it really matters, but still funny.
Comparisons between Alstott an Gerhart look really inaccurate, at least in this game.
Gerhart is big, but Alstott ran low and was all knee and shoulder pads when you tried to tackle him. Gerhart is so upright he takes his hits at the waist, but sooner or later someone’s going to catch him below the kneecap or on the side of the knee. He’s big and strong, but his center of gravity is waaaaay higher than Alstott’s was.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:16 PM CDT reply actions
Ha!
You read that thread too, huh?
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Redonkeyless
I mean, it’s obvious people over there like R4F smoke stuff before they post, but that was magically delicious
Sometimes I wonder if R4F is one of Favre's kids.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Holy shit, you’re a funny man!
On a serious note though, I really wouldn’t be that surprised.
by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
only half kidding
when I ask – legitimate or illegitimate kid? The way he, Chmura, and Winters whored it up on Water Street back in the day makes you wonder if there’s not a few 14 year old kids with a rocket arm out there.
by gern blanston on Aug 30, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Cutler starts the 3rd
Just went down for his 4th sack tonight.
The Vikings homeless guy impersonating ZZ Top, I mean, mascot...
… was just seen doing something macarena like in the end zone.
Boooo.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:19 PM CDT reply actions
Man, it may be preseason
But the Bears are losing to the 2nd or 3rd worst team in the worst division of the NFC. Of course, they lost to the 2nd or 3rd worst team in the word division of the AFC last week, too.
TD Cards, 13-0 pending the extra point now.
Ha, even their special teams
Got called for offsides on the PAT
Seahawks TV keeps replaying Favre's fumble and his picks...
… and they just keep getting funnier every time I see ’em.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:30 PM CDT reply actions
Over on TCM...
… Obi Wan Kenobi is pretending to be Arabian with an inexplicable english accent.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:31 PM CDT reply actions
Poor Alec
I read once that he regretted doing Star Wars because that’s all people remember him for
I read one of the memoirs he wrote late in his life (he wrote 2, I think).
He mentioned that he’d get photos of him as Kenobi mailed to him at his home with letters asking for autographs. He always threw them out.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll admit I think of him as Obi Wan first, but Bridge on the River Kwais is a close second for me.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Rosenfels in...
… Jackson looked terrible in two possessions, but didn’t get much protection.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:34 PM CDT reply actions
Rosenfels completes his first pass for a first down.
Already more than Jackson managed.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:34 PM CDT reply actions
Vikings driving.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cowboys look like Detroit 2 years ago. Both the offensive and defensive lines are being dominated by Houston. It would be totally embarrassing to watch if they were your team. I’m loving it
I listened to the Simmons - Cousin Sal two part pod cast this morning
And Cousin Sal pretty much has already given up on the Cowboys. I can see why.
Well they did lose Adams right, and I think a lot of their guys are getting older. I think the Vikings are starting to experience some aging problems on the offensive line too. McKinnie struggled tonight quite a bit. Herrea looked horrid too.
by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Herrera's looked bad all pre-season.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, him looking bad didn’t surprise me too much but McKinnie did. I think he’s starting to begin his decline. I like the thought of Matthews going up against him.
by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
It's funny
Vikings: O-Line Problems
Bears: O-Line Problems
Cowboys: O-Line Problems
See a trend here?
Oh, Free does look good? Who is struggling for them?
by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Everybody else.....literally!
Houston’s DL absolutely dominated the Cowboys OL!!!!!!!!!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Nice TD catch by Javon from Rosenfels. Looks like he can still leap, he hasn’t gotten much seperation tonight though.
Pretty much sums it up.
With Rice out for the first half of the year, it looks like Walker’s going to be the guy they throw jump balls to. He’ll have to catch them to be productive because he can’t seem to separate. Maybe if they put him in motion and ran him on a crossing pattern he might get open, but it looks like they’re going to use his height a lot.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it does. Did you notice Favre try and force a couple of passes to him down in the red zone?
by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
Noted it above. Two tipped balls as a result and one near pick.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of pick’s, what happened on the second one Favre threw?
by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Camarillo just isn't fast enough to run that route.
Favre overthrew him.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
He was a great pickup for them though.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh ok, so was it just a go route that Favre over threw?
Yeah, he was. He seems like a solid, smart receiver. He’s got good hands too, which you gotta love.
by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
"... a go route that Favre overthrew?"
That’s how I saw it.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
He didn’t look too sharp tonight. Looked like he was trying to force stuff too much. Really, he looked like he looked the Qb he was for us for much of the 2000’s. Though it is just preseason.
by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Really...
… this is the best thing Walker could hope for. Rice out. Berrian just ok. Harvin is dynamic but small and Camarillo’s a possession guy. If Walker still has anything left, he’s going to get the chance to show it in Minny. Right now he’s their 4th or 5th WR, but the opportunity is there to be the main deep threat, and maybe more than that. If he can’t take advantage there’s no one left to blame but himself.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Your right it is ideal for him. Maybe we’ll see him step it up but I kinda doubt it. I don’t think the leg speed is there anymore but maybe he’ll prove me wrong.
by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty much my thought too.
Favre might make him look good though and get Walker one last contract. It’s only fair. He cost Walker enough money by shaming him into camp so he could blow out his knee before getting his extension.
Seriously, Walker’s career/life should be one they talk about at rookie school every year. It’s one bad choice/tragedy after another. Turned himself from a star WR in the making to a cautionary tale.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Rice made a lot of money off jump balls last year.
I don’t want to minimize the year he had, but even Viking fans will tell you that Rice saved Favre about 10 picks last season.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty 42yd pass from Whitehurst to Tate a minute ago..
Dropped down right into Tate’s hands on the outside shoulder.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:47 PM CDT reply actions
And then Charlie overthrows the next two passes.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:48 PM CDT reply actions
Bears in the red zone
I was hoping the Cardinals could get the shutout, Bears at the 12 so that’s in grave danger
How did the Bears 1st team offensive line look?
by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Awful
4 sacks for Cutler and several more hurries.
That’s nice to hear. I read somewhere recently that their left tackle, who they had thought was going to be one of their most reliable guys was struggling a lot. Thats not good news for them.
by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Cutler
10-20, 129 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs, 39.0 Rating
Ouch. Sadly, Cutler is my starting Qb in my fantasy league. Looks like I’m going to have to go with McNabb instead.
by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I only saw one Int
And it was clearly on Cutler, he waited a half second to throw the out route and the route was easily jumped. I dind’t see the other but based on the Bear’s thread it was on Cutler too
And now he throws a pick.
Nice tackle though.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:48 PM CDT reply actions
Webb in at QB now.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:49 PM CDT reply actions
How long did both teams play their starters?
by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Field Goal for Bears
Gould 1-2 tonight., missed from mid 30 and mid 40
If you're the 4th string RB and you get the call on 3rd and 2....
… turning your ass to the line of scrimmage after the handoff is not a good way to make the team.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:51 PM CDT reply actions
Vikings score, 24-13.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:55 PM CDT reply actions
I get tired of every fans excuse in the preseason were just playing vanilla
There are over a 1000 posts on the Cowboy thread and 90% of them say don’t worry were just playing vanilla. They were just physically manhandled hope that trend continues. Every team plays pretty basic in the preseason
Poor offensive line play can’t really be blamed on vanilla schemes lol! Either you can block somebody or you can’t.
by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Every site has most people throwing out the Vanilla line.
You don’t just stop blocking, tackling, throwing good balls because you’re playing vanilla.
Which, incidentally, is why I worry about our D
Same. Though I do still have some hope. When Capers started calling more blitzes against the Colts we seemed to improve quite a bit on defense. It looks like we’ll be much better at disguising our blitzes this season.
by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Vanilla Argument
It never applies to the Offensive Line. Mostly for defense and passing plays, but that’s it. There’s not a whole lot you can cover up in plays from the OL. Therefore, the Vanilla theory does not apply to Dallas. Their OL was overwhelmed.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Does anybody else remember all the attention Whitehurst was getting earlier this offseason? Too be honest, he doesn’t really impress me. Every once in a while he’ll make a beautiful throw but he is far too inconsistent.
I think Carroll remembered the guy he saw in college.
I’m pulling for him, but I don’t know that it’s going to work out either. But he’s getting a lot money to be a backup.
Rumor earlier this week was that Carroll had called Zona about Leinart…
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh really? I hadn’t heard that. Unfortunately, I don’t know how much of an upgrade Leinart would be over Whitehurst. I watched him in his first two games, and he looked pretty bad.
by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Leinart was better tonight
But then again, Anderson looked serviceable tonight too…
Don't know if it's true or not, but I read it in a couple of places. It got some play on PFT.
Whitehurst’s like his Dad; more heart than talent. Just overthrew Tate on consecutive plays, one of them was a deep ball.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
2 minute warning...
… and on TCM, O’Toole’s getting beat up in a Turkish prison, which is slightly more unpleasant than this interminable preseason.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 10:00 PM CDT reply actions
Slightly.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Collins has played tonight for the Bears
It’s been all The Fever after Cutler. Only 6:30 left in the game.
Whitehurst rolls right, throws back across his body to the left, complete pass, 1st down.
Stupid play, but it worked.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 10:05 PM CDT reply actions
Schaab did that tonight
Got Houston their first TD
Ruvell Martin! 1st down Seahawks.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 10:06 PM CDT reply actions
Didn't know he landed in Seattle.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Last play is caught out of the endzone by Deion Butler.
24-13 Vikings is your final. Seahawks starters were generally outplayed by the Vikings, but turnovers gave the Hawks a lead until the backups came in.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2010 10:09 PM CDT reply actions
If the Bears are mastering a Martz-style offense
…they hid it well tonight.
Cutler was low and/or short on a lot of his throws. On that second interception, the ball just floated, fell short and pretty much right into the hands of the defender. Aromashodu never had a chance for it.
Vikings Defense still pretty darn good
If you can get beyond the “vanilla” comments an interesting comparison is that the Packers defense could not do anything but wave at the first team Seahawks offense with Matt Hasselback, but the Vikings defense completely shut the same Seahawks down. It seems like we are set up for a shoot out every week….like the playoff game with Arizona. This may be exciting, but without a complete team, as a Packer fan I will be very apprenhensive going into this season. If the special teams don’t improve that will cost the Pack a win or two over the course of a season.
Yeah, but you have to keep in mind we played the Seahawks much differently then we would in a regular season game on defense. We truly did play a vanilla defense that consisted of rushing our three down linemen and sometimes an outside backer too. Our 3-4 defense is effective when we’re blitzing, and showing the offense all kinds of different looks. Obviously we didn’t do that at all against Seattle.
The Vikings defense played them a lot like how they would play them in the regular season. Because their defensive line is so good all they really do to most teams in rush their four down linemen, and drop everyone else into cover 2.
I think if we had played the Seahawks how we played the Colts as far as giving them a lot of different looks, and blitzes we would have performed much better.
by packallday555 on Aug 29, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes and no
The Vikes did very little stunting, as I recall, and rarely blitzed from either the LB or secondary. During the regular season the d-line does a lot of movement on the interior line, and the LB’s/secondary do a fair amount of blitzing.
You’re correct when you say the Vikes just rush their four down linemen, and play the cover-2, but HOW they rush their four down linemen, and how they rotate guys is a lot different in the pre-season than the regular season.
The good thing about this pre-season, at least for the defense, is that there’s no real competition, except maybe the one safety position where Jamarca Sanford looks like he’s overtaken Tyrell Johnson.
They have the same guys coming back to the same system coached by the same staff, so they really don’t need to do anything other than get in ‘football condition’ and see who fills out the second and third string.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Fair point
Your right about the stunting, I didn’t really take that into account. You guys don’t really blitz a whole lot but it is definitely something you see from time to time.
Good point about not be any real competition. Most are veterans of the system, and don’t need much practice within the scheme like many of our games do. (Really all of them)
by packallday555 on Aug 30, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Turnovers is the difference
Minnesota clearly has a better defense than Green Bay. Yeah, I fear we will give up too many yards. However, this secondary we have should continue to get plenty of turnovers, and that should be enough to tip the scale in our favor with our potent offense. This team reminds me a lot of New Orleans last year. Potent Offense + Ballhawking Defense.
I’m watching the GB vs Indy game again at the moment. I noticed that Capers really dialed up more blitz packages in this game. Taking another look at Mike Neal, I’m impressed. I’m hoping I can see him play more from the left side of the line though as he played in Cullen Jenkins place. It was like I couldn’t tell if that guy on the right side was Neal or Jenkins. Almost identical players! I wonder if Capers is thinking of any plays where DT’s Neal and Jenkins are in on passing downs and they to crossing attacks in the interior of the line. It’s an idea on certain situations where Raji takes a breather.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I was surprised that the Packers have had Neal as a RDE too. I thought he would be more a LDE. I guess maybe they want someone a little bigger on that side… From what I’ve been reading Neal, Jenkins and Raji are the 3 primary guys in the nickel at DT. If its Raji he has to get penetration and command a double team. If its Neal and Jenkins, I would imagine stunting them some would be a good attack.
When you say N.O. was a ballhawking D, wouldn’t last years Packers be an even better example? I mean we led in takeways didn’t we? LOL
Yeah, that’s the rotation I’ve been seeing too. I saw Harrell in there a couple times, but he wasn’t as good. I’ve never seen Neal and Jenkins play side by side in the Nickel yet though, probably because the team didn’t know what they had in Neal. idk.
I was just using it as a reference as it’s very much a possibility of GB making a run at the Superbowl, because yes, the Packers D indeed forced more turnovers than NO. You are correct there.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Something like that.
Not exactly sure of the number. I know Jenkins, Harris, Mathews, and Bulaga didn’t play.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Yeah, but
some people get way too worked up about what units do during pre-season games.
Another fallacy to hokecole’s fearful argument is that we played the Seahawks in PS game 2, while the ’queens played them during week 3 – the week that is generally a regular season tuneup for most teams not called the Titans; the two games are approached differently.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
That's true
I never really thought about that. Starters are usually always in longer in the 3rd Preseason Game. Then with the exception of Tennessee, starters usually only play 1 or 2 series in the 4th Preseason Game.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
The Packers defense might regress this year...
… but I don’t think the performance against the Seahawks proves that it’s inevitable. And while the Vikings defense might be pretty good, the Seahawks didn’t gameplan them and they did move the ball against the Vikings.
Protect the passer against the Vikings and you can beat them. Their secondary is still their soft spot. Their defense is solid, but against a high end pass offense with a quality O-line, they’ll give up points in bunches.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 29, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Yep, as long as we can protect Rodgers better he should be able to shred them (and really any other defense in the NFL).
by packallday555 on Aug 30, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Protect any QB and they should have a field day
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
True, especially for the elite ones though. Or maybe I should say elite passers, since many don’t consider Rodgers an elite Qb.
by packallday555 on Aug 30, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
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